Great Pokemon with Horrible Typing.
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- Pokemon Competitive Singles is a world where various things are possible.
Some Pokemon thrive due to their fantastic Type combination.
Others thrive in spite of their Terrible type combination.
Let's explore why Tyranitar, Celebi and Volcarona are great Pokemon with terrible typing.
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Some will never figure out how to get Tyranitar in Pokemon Scarlet and Pokemon Violet. But famous player Jim Cool is well aware of the Best Tyranitar Moveset in Competitive, and even how to Tyranitar Shiny Farm. Many aren't and never will be. That's just the unfortunate reality of the world.
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Of course, Magcargo had to have a 4x weakness to Water and Ground to rein in its massive power.
Imagine the horror of magcargo with levitate 💀
Mud Eater: If hit by a Ground or Water-type move, the Pokémon has its HP restored instead of taking damage.
Good god I was thinking the same at the end of the video.
We really need a Fire/Steel mega Magcargo.
@@strangeshotgun gotta love some tailor-made abilities 😭
@@thomassmith2605 Perhaps then he can join the Bird Brigade.
jimothy: "Celebi is x4 weak to bug, making it vulnerable to-"
me: "U-turn!"
jimothy: "-Dugtrio."
Me too, me too
gen 3 players
Exact same here
ye I wasn't expecting it lol
Lol this dude lives in gen 5 era or something.
Magcargo overcomes concepts such as "weakness" through his immense surplus in horsepower
If you want to see magcargo in his true form play the luminescent platinum mod for BDSP it is a monster with shell smash and filter/solid rock
Tyranitar on its way to have one of the worst type combination but still be in ou seven generation in a row
It will never be OU in gen 9
No one invited him to the gen 9 OU gang 😭 not even UU
@@MiniOre2Isn't he rank A in UU ?
My GOAT
It's typing also gives some advantages like the special defense boost from sand and stab pursuit/knock off.
Can't wait for horrible Pokémon with great typings
The sea-tier?
Poor mawile
Durant
Yes please Jim
Tinatink is sweating bullets rn
Anything with Ice 🥶.
Ice Rock 🥶🥶🥶.
GameFreak Inc. chefs coming up with a concept that does nothing but make Avalugg significantly worse ✍️🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥
@butteredsalmonella Convergent Evolution Avalugg: Ice/Grass with Chlorophyll (it keeps its 28 base Speed)
Nah ice steel
Ice needs speed to win. that's it
Unfortunate type that GF loves to give to slow ass "bulky" mons. At least it's now better in snow but man.
Why won't they ever fix the type chart a bit? Bug type is a joke.
I always find interesting how Volcarona's type is both it's biggest weakness, but also the reason why they're allowed to have all the broken tools they have, not only because of the balancing act, but because Quiver Dance is a move with very VERY limited distribution in Pokémon that aren't Bug Type.
Flame Charge and Fiery Dance also are very useful on Volcorona.
In single, it's Stealth Rock, and in doubles it's Rock Slide.
fire bug sucks so bad defensively but it actually kills a whole lotta things. Thats why once volcarona gets boosts it just obliterates everything stab fire bug is not easy to wall at all
@@andre-8420 Rock types could do it, but then Volcarona slaps on Giga Drain and obliterates them anyway.
@@andre-8420fire bug isn’t that good offensively. Fire sure yeah fire is strong offensively and defensively ( even if it’s not the best at either or even the second best balanced type fairy and water are both stronger but fire is still pretty good) in particular being able to hit steel and resist fairy are two very powerful traits. Bug doesn’t hit anything fire is. Resisted by super effectively though and it only gets rid of 1 weakness which is ground and in an entirely irrelevant way since rock is almost always paired with ground due to perfect neutral coverage so you end up taking more damage. It’s very common to ditch bug stab for other moves like giga drain which hits waters and rocks hard. The only real thing fire bug is good at is bullying grass types and yeah sure volc quad resisting serp basically forced it to run hp rock or risk auto losing at times but that happens a lot to serp that It just enables the opponent to setup on it endlessly because they can handle its lead storms even at +6. This is why you bring out the snake lategame anyway. Volc isn’t some rare specimen to have the niche of walling a Mon who doesn’t have coverage and has a pretty poor offensive stab typing.
A once-unified authority now found itself embroiled in a hoof-slapping civil war. The Horse Council, known for its impeccable judgment on all matters equine, was at a crossroads.
At the heart of this uproar was none other than the fake horse, Horsea. Despite sporting a rather awkward cardboard mane and an unmistakably clunky gait, Horsea had garnered significant financial backing from the enigmatic Old Money, a mysterious paradox form Pokemon of Gholdengo. This support extended further, with an unholy alliance formed between Horsea and the fiery Ponyta, whose hooves were known to spark literal flames of rebellion.
Their target? Magcargo, the most recent appointee to the Horse Council. A stallion of impeccable pedigree, Magcargo had ascended to the position by virtue of possessing the legendary High Horsepower, which granted him unparalleled wisdom and wit. However, Horsea saw Magcargo as a threat to its mission to uphold the outdated traditions of the Council, viewing him as a disruptive force of change.
As the council chamber echoed with the clattering of hooves and the occasional whinny of discontent, the stage was set for a showdown of epic proportions. Magcargo, with his dignified air and twinkling eyes, stood resolute against the comically clumsy Horsea, who could barely muster a convincing nicker, let alone a battle cry.
🤣🤣🤣
It’s with sincere gratitude that I watch and see the fire rock type, magcargo, represented for his horrible typing, but nonetheless acknowledged for his horsepower.
I think Macargo would actually be very comfortable to ride. Its got a big shell, and you can just sit on it.
It is also the temperature of the sun’s surface
@@miked5163 so heated seat . seems like a benefit for me
@@miked5163heated seats
Kinda like a horse right?
@@miked5163 That's the internal temp.
Fire/Bug is actually a great defensive typing. It randomly resists so much good types. Given the chance to ignore stealth rocks, its defensive properties become obvious
Yeah I just commented the same thing. 3 weaknesses and 6 resistances including fighting and fairy. Hits 6 offensive types for super effective including dark and steel.
You could look at it like Fire/Flying.
Damned by Stealth Rocks, but otherwise a respectable defensive typing with some decent use cases defensively and offensively
@@Gold_Gamer_100 Except Fire/Flying is still immune to Ground. Fire/Bug is neutral.
Also, Volcarona probably doesn't appreciate the ubiquity of Rock Slide in VGC.
@@JanusHoWYou say that last part as if Fire/Flying mons appreciate Rock Slide as well.
@@deathclawproductions6723 No, they do not. But being immune to Ground is never a bad thing.
The way Celebi poses in the thumbnail is the most thug ass gangster shit holy hell it’s so badass
Sassy little vegetable fr
I need to find that Celebi artwork, that cute lil grin is everything
Celebi minestrone
dude just turned 11 talking like this? 😂
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What if you
wanted to [take advantage of Terastallization to get rid of your bad typing]
but Game Freak said
_Sand Stream (no sand immunity)_
No sand immunity and give up the special defense boost? No thanks.
They should really fix Sand Stream to give immunity to Sandstorm regardless of type, like Sand Rush does for like, Stoutland, which is Normal.
It’s quite unfortunate and ironic that Bastiodon, a purely defensive Pokémon, is Rock/Steel. A truly awful defensive typing with quad weakness to Fighting and Ground.
Celebi needs to become a member of the fairy-council, it's been denied for too long already.
Ah, trading a 4x weakness for another one
I mean, 4x poison aint that bad
@@MiniOre2 Being weak to poison is better than being weak to U-turn.
@@et34t34fdf The problem isn't even the bug type it's just U-turn T_T
@@evilsson73994x fire 😮
How bad is Celebi's typing?
A good chunk of OU techs HP bug specifically to kill it.
How good is Celebi?
A good chunk of OU techs HP bug specifically to kill it.
Kinda similar to this video but perhaps a video on "Pokemon types that have fallen off" would be interesting.
Like say normal as a whole or Rock ground or Psychic Steel.
Psychic by FAR, there has never been a fall from grace as catastrophic as psychic's decay from what it was on Gen I. As jim laid out in this video psychic tends to be more of liability of a typing nowadays and either its paired with something much stronger or otherwise jacked (strong af stats or abilities) to compensate, meanwhile on Gen I its the king of kings. Normal was similarly a horror on Gen I, but afterwards its never been outright weak like psychic became
Hydreigon definitely got a vibe check after Fairy was introduced
Magcargo is a limbless, gastropod mollusk Pokémon consisting almost entirely of bright red magma. Its oval eyes are large and yellow with small pupils and extend upward from its head. It has a bulbous snout and a wide mouth, with two drops of magma dangling from each side of its upper jaw. Magcargo's back is protected by a gray, spherical shell composed of hardened, but brittle magma, forming irregular lumps and plates. Marcargo can store fire energy in its shell. A streak of fire leaks from the side of its shell. Magcargo's lower body is amorphous and covered in bubbles of magma.
Magcargo's internal body temperature can reach over 18,000 °F (10,000 °C), causing it to evaporate water on contact. Flames circulate throughout its body, occasionally spouting through cracks in its shell. While its shell is brittle enough to be shattered with a slight touch, Magcargo can reform its body by dipping itself in magma. It can be found in mountainous regions and has been living in volcano craters for tens of thousands of years. According to one folklore, when the wild Marcargo population suddenly increases, it's a sign that a volcano eruption is coming.
When you realize the Pokédex claims Magcargo evaporates water on contact, but in practice Water evaporates Magcargo on contact (x4 weakness). I think Magcargo having an ability making it immune to the Water type would've been fun. It's probably not enough to make it competitively viable, but it'd be a fun nod to the Pokédex entries that state this, and would at least take away one of Magcargo's x4 weaknesses.
TBH Besides the Rock weakness Fire/Bug isn’t really that bad of a typing, you have a nice amount of resistances (namely to Fighting and Fairy) and hit all types expect Fire for neutral damage.
While your weak to Water and Flying those types aren’t ran all that often as coverage (and most Water moves are special so Quiver Dance can help patch up that weakness).
If not for stealth rock. Imagine if volcorona wasn’t forced to wear boots every game
I think araquanid is 1 of the best counter for volcarona
Fire Bug is actually a good typing overall
Tyranitar type is a fun case of its not good but its perfect for what it is. Its def one of the darks made against Psychic, (and it being rock MIGHT be in part because the dominant type in gen 1 is Normal) and as time goes on almost everything good about Ttar have to do with what those two type offers. Dark stab spam, Pursuit, Sandstorm spdef boost all will be missing from Ttars toolset had it didnt have that specific type combo
I think Celebi is hurt by generational transition too. Its typing feels really good in g3
U turn and more powerful bug pokemon being introduced just ruined Celebi. Dark typing becoming more and more menacing over time did not help either. Weather metas also murder Celebi bc it has trouble with both sun teams (oof auch fire) and water/hail (oof auch ice beam everywhere). I dont think its just a case of power creep shutting Celebi out, the actual issue is that the new metas tended to hit Celebi's weak points incidentally
Shoutouts to Garganacl, Glimmora, and in the lower-tiers Mamoswine, Hydrapple, H-Arcanine, and Kommo-o, and to an lesser extent the newly buffed Torterra
Mamoswine doesn't apply here. I would say its typing is one of its biggest strengths for being amazing offensively.
I'd argue Glimmora's typing doesn't matter. Since its typically a suicide lead, once it gets hazards, it's done its job. In fact, it's probably better that it has a 4x weakness to ground and has no immunities bc it makes ppl want to EQ and use (usually physical) priority if needed, which gets up a T-spike.
As someone who originally subbed because I really liked the way Jim said "type combination", this was a great video.
This humble pokeboomer appreciates yet another upload before my bed time dinner Thank you Jimmothy, very cool!
Magnezone is a pokemon with a glaring weakness to ground as well as other common types, but it continues to be used as an important trapper for teams. In gen 5 OU Magnezone even runs weather clear through Sunny Day to boost HP Fire, while being weak to Fire itself, in the generation of Fighting Types no less.
Imagine if Bug Types got a type exclusive buff of “takes reduced damage from entry hazards” or “ignore all entry hazard effects”
I really appreciate gen 1 dragonite, if it didn't hve a 4x blizzard weakness it'd already be a menace, but the fact that it'd probably be normal type if gamefreak didn't add the dragon type just for its evolution line sounds like a warcrime (yes, gen 1 dragonite with stab wrap, body slam and hyper beam and with no 4x weaknessess, very fun and balanced)
But that would give it a crippling fighting weakness to all the amazing fighting moves in gen 1!
Tyranitar rlly is a fallen Tyranirex. Good in the past but being the Apex predator in many OU generations he failes to adapt to the changing environment like the tyrannosaurus of which its based after.
I’m honestly feeling that the horse council saga is going to take a game of thrones esque twist, where magcargo gets brutally defeated and killed in the civil war
It's all a scheme from Old Money
Another thing worth mentioning, the 4x bug weakness gives Celebi a terrible matchup against Yanma.
My favourite pokemon of all is Volcarona, and i always get super glad to know that it is viable and good in competitive singles, i'm just a casual player but hearing about the sucess of my moth is always good
Rock/Ground pokemon like Rhyperior also I feel fit this concept. Offensively ground and rock stab is amazing but it houses so many weaknesses to common types.
Amazing content as always Mr Cool. I am once again here asking for your support with the under appreciated Pokemon Raichu. His struggles and oppression continue to be ignored by the greater populace. Thank you for your time.
Know it isn't on topic with the video, but I just wanted to say thank you Jim for all the wonderful and informative content you produce.
You got me into playing Gen III on Smogon, and last night I got ranked on the ladder for the first time. I know that may not be a big deal for some, but for me it meant a lot and I credit you and your content for helping me get there.
You are such a positive and informative influence, and are a great ambassador for competitive Pokémon, and I wanted to thank you for that
Horse power could be abbreviated to HP
Great vid
They just need to keep practicing!
I started off only typing 25 - 30 words per minute as a kid, now I can hit 100+ wpm! You can do it Pokemon!
Gen 8 vgc specific answer here but coalossal was the best case example for dynamax as a whole. Where it has an ability that required it to he hit by a x4 move to work at all. So it needed the bonus hp from the mechanic and being doubles am so you could side hit to proc it, stack with weakness policy so you're now both fast and strong. And he was the only pokemon besides the kanto starters to receive the broken residual damage gmax move. By far the best a pokemon with the truly awful rock/fire typing has ever been in the history of competitive pokemon.
Gamefreak releasing Shadowrider with the only caveat to its insane power being its insanely awful typing only to then a gen later allow it to become Fairy
Fun fact.
Tyranitar actually has the best typing it can have, as Sand Stream does NOT grant immunity to sandstorm, meaning if it terastalizes away from Rock, Ground, or Steel, it’s hurt by its own weather. Additionally, if it terastalizes into anything other than Dark, it opens itself up to Prankster.
Combined, if it terastalizes into any of the other 14 types, it immediately gets ground down by its own sandstorm and opened up to Prankster, meaning it effectively cannot make use of the gimmick of generation 9.
What’s super interesting about Volcarona is that its typing has some *really* specific important resistances and neutralities. It resists Bug, it’s neutral to Ground and Fire, and it resists Fairy, Fighting and Steel.
It has some really bad weaknesses but some REALLY good, very specific resistances that are incredibly powerful.
Once Volc learned how to put on boots, ppl were able to put its 65 base defense to use to deal with the 181 base attack Kartana. Also, don't forget its Ice resistance letting it check Kyurem of all things.
Same idea with Ttar. Yeah it has a lot of weaknesses but who else besides maybe Heatran was able to consistently switch in on and threaten the Latis, Talonflame in gen 6, Blacephalon, and Naganadel (when it was legal)?
I saw a comment on another video stating that Tyranitar was able to bypass its bad tying for a while due to STAB Pursuit letting it lock down its good matchups, and now that Pursuit is gone it actually has to stand up to its switch-ins.
On a different note, Hisuian Arcanine was able to overcome its flawed Fire / Rock typing in VGC, winning something like five or six Regulation E tournaments with its combo of Intimidate, STAB Rock Slide, STAB Flare Blitz, and Extreme Speed. Arguably the best pokémon in that format.
Thank you Jimothy for reminding me of my harred towards Zarude. Celebi is still scared of their last encounter, and she must be protected.
What a goldmine for pokemon content. Magcargo at some point will be the leader of the horse council. I believe in him.
My favourite great pokemon with horrible typing has to be Swampert. "But Swamperts typing is great!" i hear you say, and you'd be right but what many people don't know is that Swampert has dyslexia.
Everybody Gangsta until Volc dance
One of the worst typings is the Rock/Steel dual type, which lends itself to 2 different x4 weaknesses.
Of this typing is the horse-adjacent Stakataka, who has strong legs, has the same body shape as a horse, learns high horsepower, and even lets people ride on it if they manage to stay on. I pray this message finds you well, as Old Money has intercepted my previous warning about the aforementioned horse-usurper. I suspect that the HorseMoney coalition has something to gain from letting Stakataka run free despite its outrage of Magcargo being indicted into the horse council before it. Please, take care.
I love great choices, despite their terrible typing. Thank you Jimothy
Celebi got access to a set that no other mine has. It’s so op only magic guard and ferrothorn walls it. Truly a hidden gen 8 gem
It's so heartwarming to see that despite having a Dug weakness, Zacian-Crowned is still able to carve out a niche for itself
Kinda shocked we didn't cover Lando-T but I love the topic :)
I dont know if you take video suggestions, but id he rather interested in seeing a video abiut which pokemon lasted the longest in OU throughout the generations without any updates/buffs.
Despite being forgotten they still went strong
Your voice is really soothing.
i made my brother subscribe to help macargo
what if terastaralize didn't overwrite the pokemon's type but instead added the type to it? so tera grass volcarona would be bug/fire/grass. would that be more balanced?
I love Mega Sceptile.
You know what I don't love? Ice-types
This why I never leave without screens, otherwise these would be deadweight. Another reason why i am thankful for terastallize.
0:44 Gosh, the war is even spreading into Hyrule ! Maybe Epona, the secret founder of the horse council, could intrevene to solve this conflict
Another day, another video of Jim tanking his ELO for educational purposes
Is volcarona really a bad type outside of stealth rock? Outside of rock it’s only weak to water and flying and it has a lot of valuable resistances. offensively it hits like 6 types super effectively including dark and steel. Idk enough just asking
Being weak to water and rock is bad, and half of its resists are useless. Quality over quantity. Flame body is a good ability though despite its low defense.
Hey Jim why are celebi and jirachi legal in gen 3 ou when they are mythical?
Smogon formats in general dont ban pokemon for being part of a "category". Mythicals and even big legendaries as kyurem black are legal if they dont seem overpowered enough for break the game. Meanwhile, in official formats (like VGC or BSS) game freak always bans mythicals (for being too dificult to get) and big legendaries are always banned or limited to a few for team, because some of them can be very strong.This isnt done in smogon because rarity isnt a problem since we play on a simulator and because the tiering system lets you ban the specific big legendaries that can be problematic
@@a.j7810 thank you!
Please say in the next video you will show us an analytic of subs gained after this video to let us know how much power he's gained....
This guy is so funny for no reason
good thing magcargo could overcome its trash typing and become a true horse council member
The Celebi in the thumbnail looks funny. Where does Jimothy get those renders?
ADV Swampert with sap sipper would be godlike
I think a great video to complement this would be " Pokémon that would be great if not for their typing". First one that comes to mind is Aggron
Alakazam too.
cool vid
Cool video
I actually like volcarona's type combination... now that heavy duty boots exists. Rock isn't a very common offensive type besides stealth rock, though you do see rock slide coverage on ground types, I'd say flying isn't the most common offensive type either. Water is fairly common, but usually special attacks from bulky mons. Volcarona also resists fighting, ice and fairy, which are fairly common.
Any top tier Psychic mon is my favorite mon with "terrible" typing (Latios) xd
The obvious comparisons to ttar here being abomasnow and to a lesser extent alolan ninetails both with dual types that dont really help cover each others weaknesses and make a x4 weakness
Maybe a more subtle effect (or not really a problem): but I find it interesting how certain Pokemon in Gen 3 OU manage to be solid, even though their STAB does not match their Special Attack/Attack state. I think Gengar is the best example of this, but a less known example is Entei-way less powerful before the Special Split.
And them Pokemon Company gives us Zacian and Flutter Mane
Nothing like Alolan Ninetales having a 4x steel weakness when Bullet Punch and Flash Cannon exist.
Also, Hoopa-Unbound is 4x weak to bug.
GF forgot how to balance over the years and this resulted in Caly-S, Zacian, Urshifu, Rillaboom, Gholdengo, Kingambit, and much more pokemon being busted to the core. Thank you
You can have my horse power, magcargoat
Now do a theory video about the best typing for each mon please please.
Kommo-o is another cool one with a 4x weakness to fairy, and 2x weaknesses to ice, dragon, flying, and psychic yet its carried by its movepool.
I feel like Kommo-o was really struggling to find its niche when it was first introduced and they kept throwing things at it to try to make it viable: Signature move, Signature omniboost Z-move, a bunch of boosting and support moves, another signature omniboost move, now IronPress. Kommo-o's strength as a pseudo is versatility since it doesn't excel at any one thing statwise. Plus it gets other non-type based immunities depending on which ability you use, which makes it interesting.
\o/ sending Magcargo my energy
"Pokémon can be good" - Jimothy Cool
Maybe ho-oh in Ubers is an example
Scizor is another one of those mons that has a crippling X4 weakness to keep it in check. however steel bug IS very useful, and provides numerous advantages for scizor's role. Roaring Moon's 4x to fairy and heatran's 4x to ground are other otherwise overpowered pokemon that are somewhat balanced by an obvious weakness... imagine levitate heatran 😯
Celebi looking very fertile here
Are you doing any more team doctor?
Fire and bug isn't has bad a people make it, sure rock hurts, but nothing a good old wisp can't help on the physical side. True that stealth rocks were the bane to fire, flying, bug, and ice.
While the ghost part of its typing is undeniably great, the fact that gengar was so good for so long despite having a secondary typing that brought it basically nothing but grief is astounding
And then there's zacian. I don't need to elaborate further
Frosmoth better be on the list...
Low key celebi should have gotten the fairy type instead of keeping psychic in gen 6
How does volcarona wear boots though?
I would also mention at least in Gen 3 and before, bad Types aren't AS bad, because Types=Physical or Special. Letting you spec against a type, at least a little.
Like no giving Celebii a bunch of Def won't save it from big Bug attacks, but it might let it live 1 smaller Bug attack since it knows what to spec for, while in later gens not knowing if the attack with be Physical or Special makes it even more specific.
It's sad that even if Celebi had fairy/grass it would have 4x weakness to poison type. It's my fav pokemon (after Typhlosion) but sadly it's forgotten. Gamefreak just had to do Gen 2 bad
Did that Jirachi use Draco Meteor?!
yeah, it learns draco meteor
@@boop53 woah had no idea
Mega diance is a contender. Fairy doesn’t really compliment rock all that well defensively (especially with a 4x steel weakness) but she has literally every other possible tool to succeed with crazy stats greats moves fucking Magic Bounce etc. if she was pure fairy she’d be Uber but she has rock plus no item to keep it in check
Calyrex could be an example probably
What if they had changed Celebi to a Grass/Fairy? I wonder if that could've disrupted any meta.
I don't think celebi would get benefitted even after dropping psychic type.
But wait Jim...I stand with Horsea. What do I do?
Falinks and Aggron are sending their High amounts of Horsepower (I can confirm, I am both an Aggron Advocate and a Friend of Falinks)
Arceus bless Magcargo