The film industry today | Frank Smith | TEDxChapmanU

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  • čas přidán 29. 06. 2014
  • This talk was given at a local TEDx event, produced independently of the TED Conferences. The ways that people are consuming films has changed radically especially over the last decade, but has the Hollywood business model kept pace? Frank Smith shares his ideas on the nature of change in the movie industry and its value in a personal sense and a business dynamic.
    Frank Smith is chief operating officer of Anschutz Film Group (AFG) and Walden Media. Smith has been with AFG since 2003, but currently oversees all aspects of AFG's operations (development, physical production, publishing, marketing and outreach, finance, legal and business affairs). He also works directly with The Anschutz Corporation on strategic planning and general operational issues. During his tenure with AFG, Smith has been lead counsel overseeing large budget motion picture franchise projects, co-production finance and distribution deals with major studios, as well as structuring foreign corporations for multijurisdictional film production tax incentives.
    About TEDx, x = independently organized event In the spirit of ideas worth spreading, TEDx is a program of local, self-organized events that bring people together to share a TED-like experience. At a TEDx event, TEDTalks video and live speakers combine to spark deep discussion and connection in a small group. These local, self-organized events are branded TEDx, where x = independently organized TED event. The TED Conference provides general guidance for the TEDx program, but individual TEDx events are self-organized.* (*Subject to certain rules and regulations)

Komentáře • 134

  • @PrimiusLovin
    @PrimiusLovin Před 6 lety +69

    The only constant in life is change!
    Adapt, think differently, innovate, play again, change...

    • @Tsadi9Mem9Khet9
      @Tsadi9Mem9Khet9 Před 4 lety +3

      No, change is the only constant in the deviant world system that has been forced upon humanity in the place of the normative human habitat and mode of existence in which there was no disease and no need of anything from any source but nature, nor any compulsion on the part of normative human beings toward anything "more".

    • @franciscopixarro9021
      @franciscopixarro9021 Před 4 lety +1

      To think only in money is not a good way of creating art, and if your movies are not art the public will get bored sooner or later

    • @helenogbonna3361
      @helenogbonna3361 Před měsícem

      Again money is power launching a production company is so hard ❤ but that’s what makes it so beautiful

  • @TahieraMoniqueBrownDTLTV
    @TahieraMoniqueBrownDTLTV Před 8 lety +63

    I appreciate this message ... "Change is going to come".

    • @naveenrayudi983
      @naveenrayudi983 Před 8 lety +4

      change is opportunity, it has been there and it will be there and it is there in the present also.

    • @marcosserrano8291
      @marcosserrano8291 Před 4 lety

      It's here

  • @SaskatchewanICE
    @SaskatchewanICE Před 4 lety +4

    It might just be me, but anyone else think this guy has a very soothing voice?

  • @finakahn8881
    @finakahn8881 Před 8 lety +20

    Enlightening talk. Change is happening in every industry. It seems that some specialize manual skills rule even though robotics in industry is making headway and jobs are being eliminated. In the film industry manual skills on set is safe. Camera dept, electrics, greens, carpentry, painters, costume designers, hairstylist, makeup artist just to name a few. Love my job as a hairstylist and wig designer, now I pass on my skills to those who want to get into the industry.

  • @tuikigeorge
    @tuikigeorge Před 6 lety +14

    wow! Thank you sir.
    Im working on producing and distributing African content starting with Nairobi KENYA then spread across Africa.
    Its a risk that im willing to take.
    Thanks again sir for this very insightful talk.

    • @scorpionmelo943
      @scorpionmelo943 Před 4 lety +2

      i don't know how much support and resources you have, but i'm way below but on the same path, i could use some help.

    • @Conphidance
      @Conphidance Před rokem

      Congratulations. How are you doing with this

    • @sandramorey2529
      @sandramorey2529 Před 10 měsíci

      I can't wait to see your work!

  • @luckyboypictures
    @luckyboypictures Před 8 lety +64

    Hollywood is just street, we need to expand our definition as of what the film industry is. In fact, more movies and TVshows are being produced outside California. Furthermore, transmedia storytelling is evolving, the audience doesn't want to be glued to just one medium. Now more than ever, anyone with an idea and dream can make the next big flick, just take a look at Paranormal Active or even Blair Witch Project.

    • @bradebronson8835
      @bradebronson8835 Před 6 lety +3

      Actually, the idea boom has passed and that was at it's peak in the 90's during the bidding wars. Also the golden age of feature film. Now more than ever. You can not have an idea sold. Unless, what you meant was, having an idea, and shooting the film yourself with your own crew and out of your own pocket. Then, in that case, you are right. No one will buy an idea in Hollywood unless you're already well known and established in the business.

    • @carrotcake6572
      @carrotcake6572 Před 4 lety +1

      Brade Bronson I’ve never seen a point fly over someone’s head this bad

  • @AndreaSchott-hw1ms
    @AndreaSchott-hw1ms Před 5 lety +16

    The film industry or motion picture industry, comprises the technological and commercial institutions of filmmaking, i.e., film production companies, film studios, cinematography, animation, film production, screenwriting, pre-production, post production, film festivals, distribution and actors, film directors

  • @MultiPlates
    @MultiPlates Před 8 lety +5

    It is fantastic that we have cultural and art industry exist where we can create and make successful productions for everyday life ...

  • @lakeishajohnson5113
    @lakeishajohnson5113 Před 4 lety +1

    This was a great and informative thanks so much!!!

  • @MidNightStudiosFilms
    @MidNightStudiosFilms Před 5 lety +5

    "There can only be one Frank Smith at a time."
    Frank Smith in the "Last Frank Smith".

  • @Millers-Mausoleum
    @Millers-Mausoleum Před 2 lety +2

    Excellent storytelling bro

  • @2day23
    @2day23 Před 5 lety +2

    This was given at Chapman University, a film school. He gave them CONTEXT which is what you do with students; otherwise, they don't have a clue. They're 20 years old most of them.

  • @Known-unknowns
    @Known-unknowns Před 6 lety +46

    There’s that guy at the end again going. "wooooo wooooo wooooo" I think they pay him £50 every talk.

  • @user-kz2dl1dj9q
    @user-kz2dl1dj9q Před 4 měsíci

    Problem with a talk like this is that it's helpful for about 24 hours...

  • @RewayahRoy
    @RewayahRoy Před 9 lety +3

    So.. the point of the video... in order for success.. when changes come.. you have to adopt for change.. got it!
    Thank you Mr Frank Smith! Thank you TEDx! :^)
    Greetings from Dubai.

    • @DarKMediaify
      @DarKMediaify Před 8 lety +1

      Youre right but it sucks. Not everyone's passion involves constant amount of money.

  • @mostafaansari1412
    @mostafaansari1412 Před 5 lety

    I was trying to reference the video from the TED website. but, I could not find the video because your videos in youtube don't have a referral code then I can easily find it in the first website.

  • @talebbagazi1435
    @talebbagazi1435 Před 5 lety +1

    how do they partner with the studio? also, how can their IP generate income?

  • @jhay_vine5083
    @jhay_vine5083 Před 4 lety

    this is Wisdom!

  • @HunterMann
    @HunterMann Před 8 lety +35

    Though his talk is just two years ago, it's already outdated. I'd like to hear him do a apt. 2 of this talk; discussing digital delivery of movies from Netflix and others. His mentions of impress speed if Netflix arriving in his postal mail box might seem like a snail pace to today's instant gratification movie consumers getting their content immediately thru wifi . And if he did present a follow up Pt 2 that would probably be outdated within a year or so. As a film production worker and cinema owner I am really saddened by seeing the soul of quality films and the filmmaking process getting pushed aside by "new, improved" digital movies which are less and less a real cinematic experience. True cinema is seeing light projected thru film, at a cinema, a screening room or a real film home theater. I just can't accept the digital imitation of film. Maybe I am just an older,stubborn old filmworker/projectionist unwilling to change? I'm not alone.. Hey Quentin, pass the popcorn!

    • @DomingaShataun
      @DomingaShataun Před 7 lety +1

      Hunter Mann do you make your own films? If so do you only use film ? I'm really interested in film v digital mediums

    • @mouthfull951
      @mouthfull951 Před 6 lety +1

      well said :)

  • @user-yy3kx6bu7d
    @user-yy3kx6bu7d Před 3 lety

    Nice job here Frank!

  • @rebeccaanastasiadis1278
    @rebeccaanastasiadis1278 Před 6 lety +1

    Thank you for Ted talks about this. I am a movie buff and a group in college Shakespeare in Company 9 I believe that we were going to take the world by storm. Now I am 43 and that never happened, but we have to compete with these beautiful woman nowadays and my time has come and gone to be a model even . My ears were alittle too big, I was not able to stay 90 pounds. I believe I should have moved to California when James Cran asked me to go to San Diego. I am stuck in Ohio. Thank you for addressing this when now they are spending an obnoxious amount of money here, and living like movie stars "are supposed " to be living. CAVS are doing well... something to do with that? Avengers I would say and bankrupting old money. I am a mother of five, in fact my son I had at 21 graduated with honors on Saturday. He has a fresh new start and I have to go back to college. My youngest is 8 years old. I was always compared to Mariah Carey, I have a pretty decent voice and had very long hair . I have brown eyes. I of coarse married a Greek who liked brown eyes.

    • @rebeccaanastasiadis1278
      @rebeccaanastasiadis1278 Před 6 lety

      I will find a movie buff and start talking with them about this. I believe some of it is human trafficking. Where your identity was easier to be stolen I believe a salary , is maybe even better. There might be world violence for a woman to get a 40 million dollar payout. New York is nearby to go do some soap operas. I can't keep the weight off...

  • @ricardomiranda7737
    @ricardomiranda7737 Před 6 lety

    I decided to do my MBA Business Plan on a fictitious (or not) short story, Independent film production startup. Scouring the internet for industry facts, more focused on the independent film industry and good/free information has been hard to come by. If anyone has any recommendations or sources, I'm all ears. Looking for things like publications, reports, outlooks, industry data, sample SWOT analyses, etc...Thank you.

  • @alcaraz123
    @alcaraz123 Před 2 měsíci

    So informative

  • @ms.danmatnnt8121
    @ms.danmatnnt8121 Před 6 lety +1

    He's right. In contrast, he's humorous, too. Despite, thank you for this video.

  • @ndetv3454
    @ndetv3454 Před 5 lety +4

    My memoir "The Will of a Wildflower" needs to be a movie. :)

    • @briannasanchez8104
      @briannasanchez8104 Před 3 lety +2

      I really enjoyed this book a lot. I want to say thanks for all of the hard work that was put into it. Hopefully one day It will become a film as you said and I'm excited for that day to come!

    • @ndetv3454
      @ndetv3454 Před 3 lety

      @@briannasanchez8104 I am the most unlikely Author. I had a hard time paying attention in school, especially with spelling. Nobody tells you, if you have a story you can hire an Editor to clean it up. My problem is, I have no marketing, I am unheard of and therefore, so is my story. Thank you for reading it and for your emotional support.

    • @ndetv3454
      @ndetv3454 Před 3 lety

      If anyone would like a free copy, private message me.

  • @andrenabailey8734
    @andrenabailey8734 Před 5 lety +3

    I thought i wanted to be a actress but the film industry is collapsing. It takes hard work amd dedication!

  • @jasonfalse149
    @jasonfalse149 Před 7 lety

    USMG CHEERS, THANK YOU STEPHANIE I HEAR YOU RIGHT NOW AND MY TOES ARE TAPPING

  • @NOC1TIME
    @NOC1TIME Před 5 měsíci

    There are a couple of outrageous matters the film industry refuses to address. Not just message and content. But if they depicted a reality based picture they would need every character glued to a cell phone. That's reality

  • @parsec3170
    @parsec3170 Před 5 lety +4

    It really confused me when he said that he would get the film in the post, then I checked when this was uploaded lol

  • @swirlcrop
    @swirlcrop Před 6 lety

    This is an interesting talk. :-)

  • @toseeornot2see
    @toseeornot2see Před 4 lety

    I guess one needs to look at how competitive the market is. I mean, just open up your Netflix and you'll get flooded with movies and TV shows. If you've got big name actors, that helps with marketing. But if you've only got newcomers, how do you sell that to a wide audience? It is a tough market, I think. Especially because so many people are attracted to it!

  • @AvrahamAmramov
    @AvrahamAmramov Před 4 lety

    Muzhik!

  • @MikeLiddy
    @MikeLiddy Před 10 lety

    Very nice presentation!

  • @maggieara3573
    @maggieara3573 Před 2 lety

    How I can to sale my screenplay and it's in Arabic yet ???

  • @afghankabul7244
    @afghankabul7244 Před 4 lety +1

    Although I am from 3th countery world and an refugee in Germany, I dream all the to make my career in Hollywood.

  • @luceatlux7087
    @luceatlux7087 Před 4 lety +3

    it's sad that so many beautiful tales need to be told that are not being told too much anymore in Hollywood (it seems). the older days showed very meaningful stories that had many levels sometimes. taking in these stories improved my quality of life as i watched what they showed, thought about them, and began to understand more about life; especially the less commonly noticed, though extremely important aspects of life. idk why, but it seems that something went askew.
    perhaps the types of films cater to the level of consciousness in the audience... as audiences have become more materially obsessed, soulless, self centered automatons without patient and careful wisdom, so do popular films begin to reflect this lack of thoughtful depth.

    • @carloconopio6513
      @carloconopio6513 Před 7 měsíci

      Because not all people are same as you. You must accept every people around the around have different taste. More people wants pop corn movies because of stress in life work etc. they only watch movie to relieve stress.

    • @luceatlux7087
      @luceatlux7087 Před 7 měsíci

      @@carloconopio6513 Films can appeal to BOTH audiences at the same time. I know it's foreign to imagine, but something can indeed be both an easy breezy popcorn flick while also having a great story too.
      But certain elements are disappearing.

  • @NARINDER52
    @NARINDER52 Před 4 lety

    How join Hollywood film industry

  • @keithparkhill8546
    @keithparkhill8546 Před 6 lety +3

    Everything moved to Canada.

    • @SnoopyDoofie
      @SnoopyDoofie Před 5 lety +1

      Except the movie stars. They moved from Canada to the US.

  • @SuperiorAmericanGuy
    @SuperiorAmericanGuy Před 4 lety +1

    I wanna become a movie star like those billionaires!!

  • @srinivasams9323
    @srinivasams9323 Před 3 lety +1

    As a gen z I am afraid of change.

  • @CinemaGatesPictures
    @CinemaGatesPictures Před 8 lety

    Nice video!

  • @KTHKUHNKK
    @KTHKUHNKK Před 5 lety

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  • @Tsadi9Mem9Khet9
    @Tsadi9Mem9Khet9 Před 4 lety

    If you really believe that the tremendous rise in convenience in entertainment and countless other things is just something that occurred without the intent of someone to use it to foster a state in which NOTHING is special that used to be, then you have no idea what is REALLY going on in the world.

  •  Před 11 měsíci

    Thank you very much, my modest messages for the film producers could be something like those for instance: Make more art and less profit, try to be creative rather than commercial, create more anarchy and wisdom embedded inside of your films, don't try to lower down the current cultural level of the public that is so weak already, stop being corupted, end this barbie culture and instead try to create an intellectual society through your productions as much as you can.

  • @oliviak3287
    @oliviak3287 Před 6 lety +1

    I'm applying to be a manager at a movie theater I've worked for almost two years nervous. Anybody got any tips

  • @dillonsmith2882
    @dillonsmith2882 Před rokem

    I’ve always wanted to be a filmmaker but it feels like the industry is not a place for artist but a place for business man. That’s not me

  • @kirstinetermansen7234
    @kirstinetermansen7234 Před 5 lety +1

    Only thing, you can say. Hollywood, EU. Is fun. If you have big money,,,,

  • @HaharuRecords
    @HaharuRecords Před 11 měsíci

    I am looking for any short comment, less than 500 lines

  • @tamrujad.5591
    @tamrujad.5591 Před 6 lety

    ์I love the content

  • @jasonfalse149
    @jasonfalse149 Před 7 lety

    book it Center and Jason Falls speaks at tedx

  • @AngleedFish
    @AngleedFish Před 7 lety

    does this still appy in 2016 tho?

  • @tanner.h
    @tanner.h Před 4 lety +3

    This is why Disney+ was created.

  • @youngmindedadults3936
    @youngmindedadults3936 Před 8 lety +5

    Why are you guys saying fuck this guy? This is very interesting!

  • @Unseenone445
    @Unseenone445 Před 5 lety +1

    Im the 100 comment had me shook

  • @peterjohn428
    @peterjohn428 Před 10 lety +107

    This guy took 8 of his 12 and a half minutes to discuss history during his "The film industry today" presentation….

    • @RewayahRoy
      @RewayahRoy Před 9 lety +35

      Peter John It helps to realize the changes and how they come! These were examples! :^)
      The point of the video is to adopt to change when change arrives! :-)
      Actually, it helped me see things more clear!

    • @craigjgomez
      @craigjgomez Před 6 lety +6

      Peter John. I don't understand your point. It isn't quantity that matters. It is the quality that succeeds. History is relevant if you are teaching a specific subject. It is important to cover the before and after to explain the here and now.

    • @PrimiusLovin
      @PrimiusLovin Před 6 lety +2

      If you're going to discuss how something is doing today, it makes sense to first tell how it reached here!

    • @Jazielleijaa
      @Jazielleijaa Před 5 lety

      Yeah because histoty repeats its self, whats going on today already happened in another form years ago

    • @SnoopyDoofie
      @SnoopyDoofie Před 5 lety

      So what makes yo think that he wrote the title to the video? If he didn't, he didn't take "8 of his 12 and a half minutes".

  • @kylewil119
    @kylewil119 Před 4 lety

    If you run a production company do you accept submissions. I'm a screenplay writer with thirty-four and counting.

  • @Wanttono
    @Wanttono Před 5 lety

    so use online film piracy as like a census to know what people want to watch so the film industry can intern benefit from film piracy

  • @CinemaGatesPictures
    @CinemaGatesPictures Před 2 lety

    My studio making silent films and more to come.

  • @chrischungy
    @chrischungy Před 4 lety

    The film industry five years ago.

  • @kirstinetermansen7234
    @kirstinetermansen7234 Před 5 lety

    Glamour,,,, boy or girl child baresk, Drugged, queens

  • @TheEbbemonster
    @TheEbbemonster Před 4 lety +2

    Hmmm.... more like a superficial history lesson, ending with a single word describing the current landscape, streaming.

  • @KirstineTermansen-ct5tq

    The China film USA
    Or Ireland
    Great
    Amnesty international concerts

  • @dudumachado007
    @dudumachado007 Před 7 lety

    good movies... Narnia?

  • @KirstineTermansen-ct5tq

    Pay back

  • @semerridnikongo2328
    @semerridnikongo2328 Před 6 lety

    Change will come. چان پرئ پرئدہت۔ moo moo moo.

  • @ioantodorov1415
    @ioantodorov1415 Před 5 lety +12

    Listen to how many times this guy says The word "and". It's really distracting

  • @DungeonStudio
    @DungeonStudio Před 5 lety

    I think it ironic that Hollywood's genesis was 'get a story out there'. Wow audiences with drama, adventure, romance, horror, comedy. Be it silent, B&W, bad quality print playing in Poughkeepsie with a lousy piano player as the soundtrack - people want the illusion and the story!
    Whereas today, it's 'the medium - rehash the message'. So concerned about 3-D, HD, BD, 4k, DVD, Streaming, Digital UV, Knock offs, torrents, Netflix, Amazon, etc. 101 ways to get ONE story. And what's that story...? A 50 year old classic, a remake of a 50 year old classic, a sequel to a 25 year old cult hit, a prequel to a 25 year old cult hit. 75 to 100 year old super heroes, on their own - or all together. For the last 20 years of Hollywood cinema, only 5% of it's overall output has been original and engaging stories. Imagine if that was the attitude when Hollywood started? "We'll just show Edison films and Woodrow Wilson over and over again. And we'll eventually add color and sound to them when the technology becomes available. And maybe combine Edison with Wilson like they were partners which will really excite audiences...." Anyone with a dollar to burn would NOT invest in that gimmickry and lack of creative substance. So why today...? Because Hollywood wants YOU to invest in that gimmickry and lack of creative substance. They don't want to give you a story anymore, they want you to GET the story. Find the Easter eggs, criticize or marvel at the CGI, defend it at the next comic convention. The ultimate proof of this - Tommy Wiseau. Literally he's taken every cliche from Hollywood, spent too much money, and over acted everything in The Room - and IT WORKS! Not that it works as a good story, or expression, or even shock value that John Waters sought after. A tragic romance with nice scenery and bad acting is all. And people worldwide LOVE it now! And Hollywood can breathe a sigh of relief, and follow suit with slightly more professionalism - but not THAT much.
    And chop it up into seasons if it's really lacking anything worthy.

    • @sergioaguis
      @sergioaguis Před 4 lety

      The Room is a legit movie , its not over acted.

  • @KirstineTermansen-ct5tq

    Pay back time Denmark

  • @ZienMonkey369
    @ZienMonkey369 Před 2 lety

    The number one rule in the film industry was....Don't look directly into the camera! That is dead and gone with all these people making utub videos and promoting marketing strategies by previously recorded videos. The observer makes eye contact but the producer doesn't. I feel like I've met you without meeting you. I may see things in you that causes me to decline whatever your selling. Take heed when you look into the Great Eye 👁

  • @lucatomas5039
    @lucatomas5039 Před 8 lety

    Today?

  • @KirstineTermansen-ct5tq

    Were is my money, from bodyguard ???
    Las Vegas oconomy ??

  • @MrArtist1971
    @MrArtist1971 Před 4 lety +4

    And he basically said - nothing.

  • @yussufhassan5832
    @yussufhassan5832 Před 7 lety

    am boy frm dadab rfg cmp bt nw live in nairobi i hve real stories which i wnt to change into film . some are hw we srugle the life in dadab cmp esplly my mum and other stories about women fgm ect

  • @subratamanna1852
    @subratamanna1852 Před 6 lety

    hummm

  • @TheProsPerformance
    @TheProsPerformance Před 6 lety

    Netflix

  • @TheMadisonHang
    @TheMadisonHang Před 4 lety +2

    this is already outdated lol

  • @arricammarques1955
    @arricammarques1955 Před 7 lety

    "Caveat Emptor"......

  • @a.m767
    @a.m767 Před 6 lety

    c'est archi chiant

  • @feligonzalez5222
    @feligonzalez5222 Před 8 lety +4

    I hate film industry as a business! :P

    • @jonathanakerele8006
      @jonathanakerele8006 Před 7 lety +10

      I agree to the extent that the focus is more on profit and less on art. Anytime you put the word "industry" behind something it all becomes about profit and padding your bank account as quickly as possible while the quality of your product diminishes. This is sad in film terms because it means that likely the quality of story and social consciousness that some films used to emphasize are gone in favor of violence, sex, noise, and whatever "quick fix" sensation can be replayed over and over again to keep people glued to their theater seats.

    • @feligonzalez5222
      @feligonzalez5222 Před 7 lety

      Jonathan Akerele completely agree with you!

  • @Tony-kc8zy
    @Tony-kc8zy Před 7 lety

    NBC and CBS are now trying to control the internet.Long live youtube.

  • @Photographicelements
    @Photographicelements Před 5 lety

    Netflix started 10 years before the economic downturn of 2008.

  • @GaryGoRound-to7ld
    @GaryGoRound-to7ld Před 3 lety +2

    propaganda films...ha ..that's all it is these days

  • @DavidJReidOFFICIAL
    @DavidJReidOFFICIAL Před rokem +1

    This didnt age well... or did it

  • @melvinch
    @melvinch Před 6 lety +7

    I was expecting him to talk about the decline of Hollywood. Nothing but rubbish movies these days.

  • @marcoantino2920
    @marcoantino2920 Před 4 lety

    so many words an yet you are saying nothing

  • @2snek
    @2snek Před rokem

    What a bait and switch presentation. The title is "the film industry today", but it's just a history lesson on the film industry. He actually never talks about "today". What a waste of time.

  • @Valelacerte
    @Valelacerte Před 5 lety +3

    _The film industry today_ is almost entirely left-wing and, with the help of the education system, media and arts, is broadcasting left-wing ideology, historical revisionism and demoralizing visions of our future 24/7/365.

  • @bcp2795
    @bcp2795 Před 6 lety +1

    just go to google and type which industry having more viewer 😁😂.indian film industry has 3.2 billion but hollywood 2.1 billion.😁

  • @redmed10
    @redmed10 Před 6 lety

    starts off with a really old joke

  • @123ethanscomedy
    @123ethanscomedy Před 5 lety +1

    This guy seems like the type who talks just hear himself. His talk is pointless and I’m sure he did it just to say he did. Thanks for the lame no point message

  • @colesmith4145
    @colesmith4145 Před 2 lety

    Problem with a talk like this is that it's helpful for about 24 hours...