THE ACOLYTE EPISODE 8 SPOILER REVIEW!
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- The Acolyte is the latest Star Wars series. The finale is finally here. The battle continues. Did the storylines pay off? Join us for this conversation with Kristian, Steph and Mike.
In this spoiler review of "The Acolyte" Episode 8, Kristian Harloff dives deep into the latest installment of the Star Wars series. Join him as he discusses the twists and turns of the acolyte's journey, the power struggles between the Jedi and the Sith, and the intricate storytelling by showrunner Leslye Headland. Discover the secrets of the galaxy far, far away in this in-depth analysis of Disney's Star Wars: The Acolyte. Don't miss out on this review that delves into the heart of Lucasfilm's newest addition to the Star Wars universe.
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My only takeaway from the show is the implication that Plagueis watched Qimir get naked
ugh I forgot about that hahah
#truth 🤣🤣🤣
Obviously jer ked off to it too
Darth Scandalous.
I guess Darth Plagueis being of a "male-species". Ms. Les decided to go on the "Plagueis is Darth Pervis". One of those males that are perverted.
It was a crime she didn't feature Plagueis (And Master Yoda!) since the first episode. They thought bringing in a "mystery-aspect" would interest the fandom.
Not unless you have good writers!!!
Watching you guys doing the spoiler reviews has been far more entertaining than the actual show.
Truth.
I agree
That's the main reason I even watch these shows. It's all about this commentary. It is so fun.
That’s sooo true 😂
Agree
I’m grateful to The Sith Council for keeping me sane about Disney’s Star Wars.
Vernestra and Qimir were actually lovers and the whip scar on his back was actually from foreplay
That would have definitely been a better show.
🤔 I like this theory
She can sense her bitch sub is still alive. 😂
Even that! Another question, "Who was Qimir to the Jedi"?? You mean to tell me Venestra punished Qimir as a young padawan?? No wonder he didn't want to be in the Jedi Order.
This series makes the jedi look stupid and bad and dumb.
50 Shades of Grey Jedi: A Star Wars Story
It would've been so much cooler if they revealed that Plageuis created the twins, and manipulated the witches. That it was his first attempt, and it failed by the twins actions, and maybe even them getting killed in the end or something.
BTW. Think you could've told this whole season in a 3 part mini-series of 90 minutes each. The cliffhangers did not pay off. Loads of wasted moments, and characters.
God, I love when Mike starts going off on the show, he's just like me lol
The only time bleeding a Kyber crystal red has ever been done right was in the Darth Vader canon comics. After Vader kills a Jedi without a weapon he’s then told by Emperor Palpatine that her has to take it to a place that is strong in the dark side of the force, Mustafar. He takes it deep into a cave and after he extracts the crystal from the saber he then channels all of his fear, anger and hatred into the crystal. He sees his memories of him and Padme and Obi-Wan and even a possible future of him turning against the emperor, tracking down Obi-Wan and kneels before him awaiting his judgment. Vader fights back against that vision and after an enormous amount of effort manages to bleed the crystal red.
And sadly in both Jedi: Survivor and now The Acolyte, neither come even close to that incredibly powerful moment.
There’s a clear disconnect between how hard it was for Anakin to bleed his crystal in the comics (almost drove him mad) and how natural it was for Osha. I don’t have much of a problem with it, but that took me out of the show for a moment.
It's become a mood ring.
17:06 - Mae didn't burn anyone up... Indara killed the coven when she mind-flayed them while severing the connection with Kelnacca.
I mean they did burn up eventually after they died
It is unclear what was the real cause, it's up to anyone's interpretation.
It's amazing the difference a new paintjob can do. The background looks so much better.
Christian, you nailed it at the end. There HAS to be Star Wars fans at Disney and Lucas who read the books, know the lore.
Disney AND Kathleen Kennedy threw out what worked due to arrogantly thinking they knew better. This show was NOT better.
Amen
My unfounded observation there is a low key internal war at Lucasfilm. It all started back at the Sequels. Some people wanted to honor George Lucas' drafts for the sequels that he gave Disney. Rian Johnson, Gareth Edwards, and eventually Ron Howard were among these. (Rian Johnson is unique in that he thought he could have it both ways - to honor what Lucas wanted to do but at the same time try some new stuff.) Dave Filoni would of course support Lucas ideas, but he was not part of the sequels.
Other people, Kathleen Kennedy and especially J.J. Abrahams wanted to distance Star Wars from Lucas the Prequels and wanted to do their own thing. This is why Midichlorians are still called "M-count". They were forced to admit the ideas of Lucas were probably the best way to go but they still dance around it instead of committing to the connection between nature and the spiritual world and explaining it. They are the ones with hubris.
Headland is like Kennedy's Sith Apprentice just as Filoni is the Padawan of Lucas.
The worst part is that they actually use it as long as it's convenient. Why make up a new lightsaber resistant material when we can just use this thing from legends that isn't cannon but just take all the information about it and assume it's cannon until we tell you otherwise
@@c_guy95 And then have that same material be able to "block the force" like Magnetos helmet.
This actually isn't a new idea - the blocking the force thing - the Ysalimari were a natural way to do it. But . . . I think that heads in a dangerous direction where Star Wars is already becoming "Marvel-ized"
How did she choke Sol without training? She's a Palpatine!
midichlorians
She's the "chosen one, not maaaaaany" of the witch coven. Darth Vader's force-choke?? Osha said "Wait til yall see me thread-choke Sol". 😅
Maybe she's born with it. Maybe it's Palpatine.
I laughed when Mae's mind got wiped at the end, because every episode felt like she had her memory erased at the start. She had different motives and blank stares in every episode.
And you can just wipe someone’s mind with just a hand wave. Man the bad writing.
There!!! That's another dumb thing. So...the Sith can "men in black Memory-wipe"????!!!!
You know, That would've helped Palpatine (and Vader). 😂😂😂
I really wish they didn’t kill Master Sol. There was no redemption for him. I wish they put his character on the run by being framed for killing the Jedi and him trying to prove the Sith are back but no one believes him. There was still so much potential for him. I’m extremely bummed out. Lee Jung-Jae deserved better!
Don't think he's dead. Green evil lady revived him and he will turn evil and get revenge on the twins and especially Smilo. Green lady is dark sider
Fantastic actor wasted
If you followed the story you had to know they all had to die.
Yeah, his character assassination was downright criminal. Blame the dumb writing.
Sol was portrayed as a perv.
@@craig0weston20if she’s dark side why would she revive him and say he offed himself? If you were being sarcastic, you got me
Mike has the best thumbnail pics ever
Hands down! A testament to how little he cares for this show 😂😂
@@High_Key he always been like this tho he is the casual fan in all of us .
The most surprising thing I got from the Acolyte was learning that Manny Jacinto was in Top Gun Maverick...
Yeah, but he was in the background. It would've been cool and funny if he was "Bob". 😂
I loved seeing Warlin Door in this finale.
Kristian, I think the reason Osha was so strong in The Force is because they were on Brendok where the vergence is. Since she was created so close to the vergence she has more power there.
That’s a really interesting perspective
@@j11nk I also think that because she was with Mae she was also stronger. Two halves becoming whole.
As a casual SW fan, how was an alien hiding in the cave? Was he working with the stranger? Was he in that cave the entire time? Was he there while OSHA was sleeping? How do you introduce a new character out of the blue? How does that make sense in the overall story?
it doesn't, which is the heart of this whole dumpster fire of a show. Just bad writing.
It doesn't, becase you can take that shot out, and it's exactly the same story. It's just bait.
It's Qimirs Sith Lord master who trained him after Vernestra...
If you look in the comments you'll see several explanations, none of which are definitive despite what people think.
Which only goes to show that what I'm sure the shows creators would justify as a tease to get lore junky fans excited was just a big sting leaving massive unanswered questions to say "Hey! You see this?! Got questions!? Better demand a season 2 then as that's where you will find out"
It's just a cameo version of the "mystery boxes" we've been endlessly pushed since Ep.7 all over again except arguably worse than what happened in Ep.7 as the next installment was at least already greenlit for the film whereas there is no guarantee of a second season for this show (and it's not earned it)
I need to watch Andor to recover from this show.
Hell (pun intended) I can rewatch Ahsoka and Book of Boba Fett and be happily satisfied.
Acolyte brings up my feelings towards Last Jedi and Rise of Skywalker. *hey, Force Awakens was good. Sorry, Disney-haters
The work Brett has done looks great. Props to him for everything. Oh the show is awful and should never have been green lit.
Yeah… he should have painted the wall white!
Shout out to Brett the new lighting and background looks amazing. Give that man a raise!
We need a t-shirt that says “What is the shit rat doing?”
'sniffin a ham sandwich '
I look forward to Mike’s wild af faces for these Acolyte thumbnails 😂😂
When the tracker appeared all I could think was, “oh goody, the shitrat is here 🙄” 🤣 I never bothered to learn his name, and thanks to you all, he will forever be Shitrat in my mind
I watch the reviews and reactions to hear K say “ShitRat.”
Why did Sol took off before the Jedi arrived there , but to only make a tracker so the Jedi can find him later. Why didn't Sol say I'm heading to this place thru communication 🤔🤔🤔
And what was that shit rats problem it takes Mae's side against Sol's, allowing her to escape, but helps the Jedi track her down to arrest her?
Why did she go through a random planet’s asteroid belt but crash lands on Brendok?
Harloff shirt is blending with his background off the shrooms I just see his head and his arms moving
and his intro seemed awkward
The theme song of this series should have been Yakety Sax
100%!!
Star Wars season is finally over can’t wait to tune in next week for other topics😭‼️
If this was basically a police story set in the Star Wars universe, as implied, what was the message behind Sol's arc? The Witches brainwashed the twins into thinking they would be hated for who they are and their beliefs. They act in bad faith, forcing Sol to intervene, killing the twins' mother. Then, he's forced by his superiors to cover up the botched mission. Mae ultimately says she wants Sol and the Jedi's to pay for their crimes. He's killed without pleading his case and has his name and legacy tarnished.
I don't like it when people endlessly try to shoehorn real world politics (or more specifically specific instances of real world politics rather than politics in general) into StarWars but I can't shake the feeling that the subtext of this show in Sol and the Jedis arc is supposed to leave viewers kind of questioning whether law enforcement and child services type agencies are people with good intentions doing very bad things in the name of the state. When most viewers seem agreed that, as presented in the show, there's not much to make us think the characters actually did something "wrong" and we side totally with those characters the show seems us to want to question or to see as tragically flawed heroes rather than just nornal heroes in very unfortunate situations.
It feels like the motivation was some grand narrative to make us reflect on the nuance behind various events in the real world but the show executed it in such a way that, not unlike real world politics, it's left many people pushing back in the opposite direction thinking it's trying to sell a revisionist narrative that can't be substantiated by its own evidence.
I can't help but think the whole show is a masterclass in what not to do when it comes making a plot outline, narrative arc, and setting up likeable characters. No one questions for the production quality from a fight choreography and VFX point of view - it never failed to LOOK like Star Wars in the way many previous projects have done. It's just the execution of the whole thing that's so baffling for a show where the "pitch" had enormous potential.
Qimir didn’t attack an unarmed Sol, is because he wanted Mae or Osha to kill him without a weapon. Qimir wanted a pupil, an Acolyte, so he waits to see who it will be. I think he thought that Mae would come through and finally finish his challenge.
Plagueis and Yoda in 2 second scenes in this episode. The two characters I wanted to see this entire show. This show was lusacfilm giving out blue balls
Was wondering where i saw the actor that played Senator Rayencourt before (David Harewood) as he looked familiar. Found out that i knew him from Blood Diamond. Underrated character actor
47:11 Kristian, I think Qimir just stands there because, while he is trying to take Sol down, he prioritizes getting his apprentice and gives Osha that opportunity
Loving the background 👍
Grogu did a force choke in the first season of the Mandalorian, and most likely not trained in the dark side so i think it’s just instinctual.
Ground was trained extensively though. Almost a decade or more of training by multiple masters
I’m gonna have to keep making this point. Grogu used the force choke on an inexperienced bounty hunter. Not a seasoned Jedi.
@@TheKristianHarloff I agree, Osha successfully using the force choke on Sol, who just displayed his super strong abilities in the force is ridiculous as he should be able to deflect and protect himself from her. I was just thinking that the act of a force choke might be instinctual when tapping into the dark side and not necessarily needs to be trained.
I also think that your idea of Jecki being the main character with her as a Jedi turning to the dark side would have been much better and more powerful character moment if she had been the one force choking sol and then killing her master. Especially since Osha literally said she never became a Jedi and wasn’t trained at the temple for all those years. Horrible writing and execution of a show idea that could’ve been so much better. The twins story was not needed.
SOOO many of your guys points are so valid.
Mae putting on the helmet is no issue at all.
Mae is flying a tiny escape fighter that probably has way less protection from debris and asteroids. The helmet is to prevent head damage if she gets jostled around the tiny cockpit.
Sol didn't need one because he's in a larger craft with more protection...and head room.
i checked out on it weeks ago. Kristian brought up Plagueis creating Anakin again. That is not what happened in the novel. He was messing around with life and death and the force but when Anakin came into the story he got scared and decided the force created Anakin to stop the Sith
palpatine did no?
@@TrueNorth1217 nopem by the time anakin turns in revenge of the sith he admits he doesn't even know the secret to cheating death
Mae wasn’t hiding off of a balcony. She was entering from the same tube her and Osha exited in, the same one she managed to escape in as a child.
I don’t think they put Ki Adi Mundi in it for a cameo. I think they actually did it was to show he was corrupt himself. Like he was covering up what happened and complicit. To show he lied to the council. The whole point of the show is to show the Jedi as a corrupt institution.
No, Steph, the rest of the wtiches died when Indara successfully exorcised Kalnaka from being possessed by Mother Koril. Indara restores Kalnaka to sovereignity over his body and in that moment, all the witches go from sitting and swaying "kumbaya style" from side to side to dead. The idea that Indara used the Force to snap everyone's neck remotely and then all the witches die is like Mike thinking that Osha's Force choke was somehow significant. Well..... at least you pantomimed the Stevie Wonder looking head/body side-to-side thing. Good on you for that; it shows you were actually watching.
"You started that fire; you locked everyone in!"
"Because the Jedi invaded our home! Everyone in there died because of the four of you!"
"It was right for us to intervene. My biggest regret was that I wasn't able to save you both"
Kristian, you are misinterpreting the dialog and assigning to Mae a motive she didn't have.
Mike, she (I'm assuming your talking about Mae) never says, "I locked them up to protect them," or anything like it. Like, nothing. She says nothing even vaguely like that.
Some of that scene was fine, some of it was not so great; the only part of that whole sequence that made no sense is why Basil the Nose (what do you call him? Shit Weasle?) sabotaged Sol's attempt to do....something? What thing? Was he going to try and shoot Mae down? Did his ship have a tractor beam? We don't know? We know his scope/display thing looked like a targeting computer like we've seen since 1977 but past that? We know nothing.
Oh well at least I have the Rey movie to look forward to
I hate to be the bearer of bad news…apparently it’s been delayed! Go figure!
One of the rules of star wars is that one can be gifted in the force but without training it will fade. That force choke was the same as in Dragon Ball Z with Gohan, in many instances he's been the most powerful character when he has heightened emotional bursts. If one is powerful with force it's through extensive training, earned. Not emotionally gained without understanding how you got there
Season 2: No thanks.
@Steph I don't think Indara snapped their necks when the witches were doing the wave. My understanding was that they were using all their power to control Jedi Master Wookie and when she cut off their connection to him forcibly they all just kinda... died... I guess like Luke over exerting himself in Episode 8
My takeaway is that Vernestra is horrible and evil
The actor who played the senator was in the robin hood tv show back in 09, what an actor he was in that show, top guy.
I’d be down for a Qimir and Plagueis show. I guess Osha has to be in it too. The episode is a perfect representation of the entire show it has good stuff but the bad is so bad it overshadows the good
It was painful to watch especially episode 3 with the cringey chanting. For me, the writing was terrible with character motivations all over the place. There were no likable, relatable characters. The two leads were murderers and the Jedi turned out of be liars. The surprise cameo at the end was too little too late to save this plot hole ridden canon busting series.
@@David-hc4xh Sol was like able until the turned him into a murderer and a complete idiot. You’d and Jaki were good but killed off before we got much
Love your closing thoughts. Some people can't understand that those of us who didn't like this show still WANT Star Wars to be good. We didn't like this show because we love Star Wars and want more for it than this. Some fans are having a blast right now, and good for them, but some of us are really bummed out right now with new Star Wars. I just want a good new movie in the theater.
I think they did massive reshoots without changing dialogue in the finale. Torbin suicides, Sol is guilt ridden, Osha and Mae are beyond anger over what Sol and the Jedi did, and what the Jedi was shown doing is *checks notes* tries
to rescue kids from *checks notes* a witch cult.
Like, think back to college when you wrote a paper and then had to hamfist some essential points into the middle, but don’t really feel like sweeping the whole thing to make sure it all has the new correct connective tissue, thinking “eh whatever its good enough.”
So why didn’t anyone look for Osha and Quimir after they find Mae? They are all there. They have the tracker. There is a sith running loose. Vanestra even sensed him before he put his helmet on. But yet they all retreat?
Ikr?! Just because Qimir wore his magneto-slipknot Sith helmet. They could've tracked Osha. Dumb writing. Poor Mae. She don't even know why she is in Jedi jail. 😂😅
Sucks the Braveheart picture got the axe because Roxy complained about it. Great movie and Mel is a great actor. Oh well.
what? really? rofl
@@alexbiehn978 seems that way because she complained and now it’s gone! Lol
The senator in the last episode was Martian Manhunter in the CW Supergirl show. He was awesome in that too.
The only justification I can see about the force choke is that they did train in the force as kids. They trapped/froze the bird or butterfly in the ep 3 I think. Can probably trapped or freeze a throat.
100000% agree about not making a complete season 1. So many questions! You can see the budget, looks good but not in the writing. Best writing/acting I loved in the whole series was when the Counselor/Senator was calling out the Jedi.
I did read a guy that found Andor boring and loved this simple story and series.
The lightsaber turning red is called 'bleeding' the lightsaber. The only other time I've seen it was the new Jedi Survivor game. But It was a new concept to me at that point. But I think it's an interested representation of the corruption within.
I just noticed the set now and that looks So much better than the white wall. The paint effect really gives the set background a lift. Nice work guys.
Overall I enjoyed the show. Reminds me a lot of how I felt about the Prequels. I was really liking Sol but they lost me these last 2 episodes. It was never clear why he suddenly wanted Osha as a padwan. Then him continually bringing up this episode that Mae and Osha were not twins seemed like exposition for us but I don't get what his point was in saying that as some justification of why he was sus about Anisea. I think the show was trying to make Sol an overzealous cop but by the end the motives were confusing.
Mike - "I can't explain anything!"......... fist bump brother
How could Sol possibly be implicated in Indara’s death when he was on Coruscant? That would be very easy to check. He was with younglings later where you aren’t supposed to remember that.
"the shit weasel is sniffin' farts" lol you guys are the best
So happy this horrific show is finally over. If they announce a second season I hope they’re ready for single digit audience score ratings.
Even haters are watching .So much hate that season 2 lives rent-free in your whiny ass brain ..
@@fanfictchad4537 nice comeback 😆😆👏🏻👏🏻
@@fanfictchad4537 so blind
Thank you guys for keeping me sane during the whole show
Despite how polarizing this show was i always looked forward to Kristian and Mikes reactions each week 😂 I enjoyed the show but I get all the gripes for sure
I think when Sol say to the Stranger that "There is something familiar about you" when Qimir asks "Don't you remember me?" I always took it as they had met in the poison store and talked to each other. As in we as audience were given foreshadow that we had met whoever was behind that mask, not that the character knew him from somewhere off-screen.
Except for the bottle, the new studio looks perfect.
Really loving the new studio!
David Harewood, the actor who played the senator, was in the sitcom "Selfie" with Karen Gillan, John Cho, and Samm Levine (who played his son-in-law).
Im try and watch this because i like this channel i hope i don't have to cut it off because of too much crying and complaining 🥴🥴
Might as well turn it off!
@@TheKristianHarloff thanks for the heads up 😂
Darth Plagues is beyond this show. Shouldn’t have been no where near this series’s.
You could make 10 Godzilla Minus One films and it would still be cheaper than this. Crazy town.
They've gotta be finding a way to make the rich richer with laundering the money here. Meanwhile the people doing the actual work are getting ghosted with their income.
I had to pause the video when you talked about the tracker sniffing farts because I couldnt stop laughing.
Also people are freaking out that she’s doing the first ever force choke. I didn’t see it that way at all
Why did Qimir suddenly stop using his Cortosis helmet/gauntlets? He would've killed Sol in a second. And there was a huge moment when Qimir was trying to stop Sol from hitting his helmet. There is no consistency.
I am surprised to see a Christian Slater Pump Up the Volume poster in the studio background.
Congrats for watching the show. I'm sure you didnt want to watch it but the traffic to your channel made up for it!
Plagueis was hiding from Darth Bazil the Rat
How was Qimir able to get to the twins before the Jedi when they had a proper tracker and left before him?
Lol, I thought I was the only one who noticed that!
My Apple podcast for this episode has a completely different show from completely different people that plays when I try to play this episode. Has this happened to anyone else? Feel like I’m losing my mind 😅
Is there a weird jump cut at 36:47?
I’m sure mike said something that went too far for a YT cut 😂
Definately not the first person to use force choke. There were masses of sith in the old republic.
I love your reviews because you are always objective and make good sound arguments
What was the point of creating the twins? It didn’t lead to anything but what were they hoping for? I have no idea.
I love Steph, seriously, but you can definitely tell that she is in her 20’s, and not her 30’s or 40’s, with her constant relating to bad writing. But she’s getting there 🙂
Haha I love how this show turned you guys Sith too❤️
Love the Carlin pic
The one senator who references Vader is from Alan Wake 2. He plays Mr. Door and he’s incredible.
Let’s goooo, I’ve been waiting for this all day 🤤
they definitely shot this late at 🌔 night
can someone help me ? When mother anisey started turning in to smoke monster, doesn't Mae know her body started to fade away and why did she turn into a smoke monster ?
The Senator killed it, bring that guy back he was great best character in this show.
We got a series where everything could be resolved, if one Jedi didn’t have IBS. This is a storyline that actually happened…
Kristian, you got it correctly! Osha ended up being Qimir's acolyte. I couldn't stop laughing during this episode. "Plagueis" is shy. 😂
Didn't I hear Sol say to Osha, "I lov....". Before he was thread-choked. Btw, Mae wanted Sol to pay for his crimes. But she allowed Osha to take vengeance?!?? The writing throughout this entire series was "dumb".
To those that liked the show. "Respect".
EDIT: Sweet background! Nice job on the wall, Brett!
Hey Kristian I think the wrong upload was posted to Apple Podcasts. It seems like PLD’s podcast instead
This show has so many good ideas that are so half baked it’s just insane. It’s like no one is reading these scripts, just seeing the cool moments and being like, yeah this is gtg
Did Kristian ever catch up on the final season of The Bad Batch? I recall that he wasn't watching the season because he was busy with his move at the time, and I don't think that he's ever mentioned it since. I'd be interested to know his thoughts on it.
I'm so surprised by the negative reviews for this show. I can understand criticism for the previous episodes (I'm a prequelist, so I'm more forgiving of badly written dialogue), but I thought the finale was quite thrilling and I thought even people who weren't enjoying the show would like this episode. For me, the pacing, acting, choreography, and music were all great. I really hope they make a season 2 because I can see how Plagueis could fit into this (and would love to have answers to questions his cameo bring up). To each their own though. I get this show isn't for everyone.
They took someone like Plagueis and just made him feel so unimportant with what felt like a throw away scene.
I haven’t and don’t plan to watch this show but I watch these spoiler reviews by Kristian and crew because it’s hilarious and entertaining
He's right about the force choke. They wanted to show the first Force choke just cause.
There are tiny things that you guys tend to stay on little things that don’t really matter. I love the reviews for real, nothin but love for the channel.
I was just starting to listen on Apple Podcasts and looks like there was a mixup in the upload of this episode fyi
100 percent! Use the damn books and make mini series and then get the same writers to write more. Most of the novels and comics were fantastic!