Roush driver here… thank you very much Sam and Dane for this race. Must say that Dane’s Hellcat is the scariest car I’ve driven so far… impressive!!! Love for everybody and haters… please, just enjoy the video lol
Next time you should start with the manual shifting to get into gear then switch to auto immediately. Using shifters on a 10speed doesn’t do it justice. You’ll feel the difference brother👍🏼
The Hellcat it's 860HP.. 🤷🏻♂️ Only reason the Roush gets ahead is because it's lighter.. Anyways that car is fast! Even on HP Disadvantage it takes off like there's no tomorrow..
It's governed to 155. Got to have a tunner remove it. Comes that way from Ford factory. I own one with roush r2650 stage 2 2020 750 hp 670 lb-ft torque. Cannot go over 155.
Truth. Roush has always been ultra conservative with their tunes. I can't count how many supercharged Roush cars and trucks I've seen get custom dyno tunes and pick up another 10-15% horsepower. I guess if you're going to give a 3-year warranty on your product, you're going to tune it for the absolute worst case scenario.
I had a stock 18 Hellcat Charger and I currently have a 19 Roush Stage 3 Mustang and anytime I ran the Mustang against my Hellcat the Mustang won every single time in a dig or roll and both cars were on drag radials. My Roush was on the Phase 1 calibration at the time which was 710hp/610tq. Now I’m on the Phase 2 calibration at 750hp/670tq like this car in the video and those races were way too close for that. I suspect that Hellcat is not stock or just some poor driving not knowing how to utilize the 10 speed in the Mustang.
@@IranAir12 they make the power they say they do, they just don't have the best cooling setup. They can run 10.8s on a prepped quarter mile but run slower times in back to back pulls. This one handled the heat pretty well, usually the heatsoak slows them down a lot after a couple of pulls. For this being a stock Roush setup on the Roush tune, it did really well. Their tunes are slowly getting better, I'm running their most recent revised calibration and it blows the last one out of the water. They need to get the heat under control to start actually being competitive.
@@cooperlueck they're very reliable. The Roush tuning is conservative and shift points are just over 7k instead of 7400. The only issue with mine is that it might have messed up one of my cats, no internal issues though.
@@gummybear41283 Vortech / Paxton are excellent options if you like centrifugal blowers. Whipple and VMP are excellent PD blowers. The roush 2.3 used on the 15-17 Gen 2 coyote was a great blower. The Gen 3 coyotes have the DI so there is less room for a blow down Intercooler design but Roush still stuck with a blow down design. Thay had to make the Intercooler smaller. I personally have VMP gen2r on my 17 GT.
guys need to switch lanes...That hop at the 3/4 mark makes a difference you can clearly see the advantage by a 1/2 car length. Great video...I always look forward to them.
Good runs and great driving by the guy in the Hellcat. I far too often see owners blowing the tires off the rims on launch, but this guy held it together with every run. I always cringe when I see Roush cars in a comparison, because I automatically know its going to fall on its face at half track. Roush is famous for pulling a "ton" of timing out of the top end of their ECU tunes. They do it to account for poor fuel quality (or the owners that are too cheap to run premium fuel), since they're offing a 3-year warranty on their product. Every single Roush car/truck I've seen get a custom tune, has picked up a solid 10-15% increase across the board. Still...it is what it is.
Great race, I would have thought you would’ve had a lot of tire spin but you guys laid it down nicely. How about those two cars vs the 2021 Cadillac CT5 Blackwing.
@@jamesdyer3507 it would lose. Because it loses against the Gt500 as these 2 barely lose against the Gt500. It is a super nice Caddy tho. I have seen a Taurus SHO almost beat a Blackwing. Even a Marauder was on the back doors of a Blackwing. That is 1 heavy Gran Marque on drugs. Stock on stock.
Thanks for this Video . We own Roush Stage 3’s and I’ve wondered how these two cars compared to each other. Now then , Please Please do the same thing with the 2021 Roush Stage 3 against the 2021 Shelby GT 500 . The HP is only 10 different but the Torque is 45 difference. I’ve been looking for a video on this but only find the RS3 up against an older GT500 . I’m betting other Roush owners like me want to see this race .
Can’t believe the price for the Roush Stage 3 but you pay for the name. Great races! I am going to miss the sound of V8’s. My kids sadly enough will never enjoy the beauty of these machines.
Just put a Roush Supercharger on a brand new mustang. Was under $50k with wheels tires, suspension, exhaust, and car. After I break it in going to get it tuned to hopefuly 850hp crank HP. Pretty good bargain of performance
@@utahcountypicazospage5412 Spent alot of time behind a newer roush supercharged 5.0. Never had any issues so I think ill be okay. Plus no one offers a 3 year warranty on the product like roush does...
This is one of the fair races to be seen and a conclusion to be taken from an actual better machine. I think a lot of people downplay the challengers and call them all sorts of things but when something like this is shown to us, you clearly see which one comes out on top. That mustang is insane too. They’re both way above any standard “stock” cars out there for the most part but even though they stayed near each other with the mustang taking off first, you can see that he wouldn’t stay ahead too long. Especially on a roll. This was an amazing race. Loved this video! Beautiful cars!
@@jmkos86 how do You figure look at all the cam Angels on pretty much every race except the one where the tranny got stuck on the stang looool the stang finished first every time. You’re seeing the Dodge pull ahead after the dude already pumps the breaks to end the race on the stang 😂😂 come on now
@@muttswob4239 we watched the same video. What I say stands. He mentions at the end where he can’t pass him. What we saw, every race was a close race on a 1/4 mile. With more space, pushing the engine, what I say stands. Every race, the challenger was catching up and would eventually take over and the mustang doesn’t have the back end torque the challenger has. On a longer track, the hellcat would take it every time. From a heavier body and less crank hp. The mustang will ALWAYS leave first and be ahead for a bit because of their differences but the once the power of that supercharged 6.4 kicks in that’s it.
I’ve a q60 red sport thats tuned by AMS (red alpha stage 3 kit), its got about 470 whp, let me know if you wanna race it! (Runs 11.5 at the quarter mile)
Awesome race!!! Like the Roush stafe 3 it was under-rated it was aways GT500 vs hellcat but now finally Roush stage 3. Now that Roush stage 3 raced a hellcat it's time to meet a GT500!!! LET'S GO ROUSH!!!
Wow that was entertaining! Second run hellcat driver was manually shifting looks like. What happened to the roush, the transmission doesn't upshift sometimes? Is that due to the tune
There's something about Sam. I take back any bad remarks about your driving skills. That's irrelivant, you are genuine and so enthustiastic. Which is why you are the best You Tuber in my book. You da man Sam, and Dane is the woman.
Is this the roush mustang that the throttle body closes when the supercharger temps go up which makes you lose power and keeps temps high instead of cooling down
Love both cars but rooting for the Mustang. On a different note though looking forward to seeing some races between the 21/22 Elantra N Line vs 22 Civic Si or Elantra N vs Veloster N
@@15thelongway are you a dolt? Look if you get a wet spot in your panties for big burly V8’s… good for you, the Veloster/Elantra N’s are almost type R level, and any off those cars would demolish these big V8’s in a short closed course race.
I've got a 2021 GT with a Phase 2 and you are correct about the shifting. If I'm in SPORT mode with the Roush tune it's rough and if I'm in TRACK mode it's undrivable in the city as my spine feels like I'm on the receiving end of a viking invasion. I'm sure you know what Toronto streets are like :)
I really enjoyed this video . Please !!! Do the same Video with a 2021 Roush Stage 3 against a 2021 Shelby GT 500 . I have a 2020 RS3 and I’m dying to know how my car would do against a GT 500 of the same year and not an older 500 .
wow!!! Hey you said semi slick ties. which tires are those. If they are a drag radial that makes a big difference. The hell cat have a semi slick? I know it sounds crazy but I imagine those cars could spin tires at 50mph on the roll also.
For the amount of money spent on the Roush it should walk that hellcat. 760 is moderately tuned for a Gen 3 though. That Roush can make much more power than that but great race fellas
There’s no reason the mustang should lose at all. Weighs less, higher HP, higher torque, better aero, better gearbox. Like this is truly determined by the drivers
Mustang has aggressive gearing probably a 3.73 which is to much for top end . Low trap speed , it needs a 3.55 or 3.15 to handle that hellcats trap speed
Let's see we got sticky tires on the mustang. The Challenger has stock tires looks like pirellis. The mustang has more horsepower and weighs less. And the hellcat still pulls it in. Would I rather pay $67,000 or $93,000 I think that's an easy answer
Had a guy in this exact mustang only red try to race me in my Challenger Scat Pack. I took one look at his Roush and new better. Managed to ask him at the Red light how much he paid for it...$94,000. I couldn't help but laugh. Nice car but way outta my price range. Nice race guys!
Unfortunately the Roush blower for Gen 3 coyote is the worst one to get out of all the blowers available for the 18-current mustangs. They have heat soak issues. Undersized Intercooler. A Whipple or VMP Wouldn’t have let the Hellcat come back and close the gaps.
Paddle shift/center console shift in manual mode every time. Full auto sometimes hangs. Proven fact manual shift with auto trans is by far best for faster time/quicker acceleration. Always sport, sport plus or track mode and traction control off. Sam this time did a much better reaction to hand drop.
Sam this was an excellent race this goes to show supercars are not the only stars but also these scary beastly machines man , and I'm Tellin ya that Roush is way better than Shebly mustangs , more durable and all you can go watch hoovies garage video regarding Roush mustangs and why they're better than Shelby's also Sam there is one special Roush mustang that you need to try and get and not only do a race with but also a full review with ,it's the P51 Roush Mustang that thing has had only 51 units made in the entire world , nevertheless I'm a Mopar guy and I'm proud of the hellcats performance against the this beast so as well against the R8 in the last video of course that was the Redeye I know but still these kitty cats are awesome 😎👍💪🇺🇸🔥🔥❤️❤️💯💯✌️ SOME OF THR BEST PERFORMANCE DRAG RACES IN ALL OF CZcams THESE TWO RACES WERE!!🤜🤛.
So no drag mode in the s550? That's weird? The ecu allows for a little bit of slippage by adjusting timing, braking, and throttle respond to the traction control system and all you have to do is stay in it and point and shoot. I'm about to boost my 5.0 6speed premium package very very soon. Can't wait to see what it'll do. It's tuned by Lund now on flex fuel tune. Nice runs against the Hellcat. Can't sleep on those kitty cats especially with a driver who knows how to drive one.
Unfortunately the stang has a speed limiter and tops out at 155. Where the Hellcat does not. I have a r2650 on my 2020 mustang. Going to remove it when warranty expires. Will do 190 easy.
What does this have to do with an 1/8th mile or quarter mile race? When are you going to race it past 155? Just curious.. How many times have you actually been to 155?
@@CreativePixElation Lol... Alot. Considering I have a super charged 5 liter. It gets to 155 fast. So does a hellcat. Do you own either of these vehicles? 155 is not shit for a hellcat. Roll racing people break 155 ease. Quarter mile not going to happen stock supercharger.
@@justinhawes5193 I do actually... and there isn't a hellcat at the track I go to that needs to worry about 155mph. Most don't reach over 130mph.. But... My speed limiter is about 180.. I'm still not going to hit it in the 1/4 mile...
These close races are so insanely satisfying. Monster cars head to head, love it. 2 things (lol) 1. Lets see that Sentra! 2. Dane revving the Hellgato with a dart in his hands. Outstanding
So the car with 50 more HP, 20 more torque and weighs 250lbs less cant outrun its opponent. Something doesnt add up. I believe Roush really put in some warrenty tuning in the top of of that mustang. Looks like the Mustang hit a wall at a certain speed.
@@someferarriguy7910 whipple don't offer the same warranty 3 year 30,000 miles ,right now whipple is over 12weeks back order . So going to whipple isnt that easy.lol
Both cars are absolutely awesome. It seems that the Mustang is a bit better out of the hole, but the hellcat pulls harder as you get going, be was reeling the Mustang in before they let off.
negative it absolutely will not.. the Roush Stage 3 has been known to underperform for the HP numbers the RS3 traps around the same and less than a stock hellcat and runs near identical times. It will lose to a Redeye every time from a roll or dig and a 2020 GT500 which actually performs like its hp rating. A stock Hellcat can beat a RS3 especially above 130+
That’s inaccurate info. That was the initial rollout on the 2018’s with the smaller heat exchanger and original calibration. The revised Phase 2 calibration and larger heat exchanger have made huge improvements.
@@johnthegaptist7794 Intercooler is still significantly smaller than the blow up designs from VMP and Whipple. It still gets heat soaked. Not enough room in the valley of a Gen 3 to install a sufficient blow down design.
I drive a S60 3.0 Polestar Volvo. It's AWD and I wreck the 5.0 GT Mustangs whenever they line up. 400hp and 650 NM of torque. I pulled up next to one of these thinking it was a regular 5.0. It absolutely wrecked me and sounded magnificent while doing it. I still destroyed it around the first set of bends but on the straights it ruled #respek
Seems as though the Hellcat had gearing better for higher speeds with reliable acceleration and the Mustang wants to leave like a bat out of hell but the gear ratios limit top end acceleration compared to the hellcat. Overall I would say the hellcat with lower numbers 2 gears less and heavier weight it still the quicker car down the run but a better driver could have changed this outcome. What do you guys think?
Tuning and gear ratio played a roll in why the races kept ending the way they did. Hellcat had longer gears than the stang, stang is set up for a shorter run. I am a FORD man and always will be. But you gotta respect what Dodge did with those engines.
If that's a stock hellcat, that's pretty good to be neck and neck with a stage 3 mustang... but it would've been a clear difference in favor of Dodge if it was a redeye against the stage 3 mustang
Would love to see both cars race with 6sp manuals, as true muscle cars should have manuals, separates the men from the boys imo. Great race though, enjoyed it!
The problem is that it's Roush. Get a Whipple or VMP on there and have it properly tuned for the same max power and the Hellcat wouldn't stand a chance.
Honestly that Roush get pulled on both from dig and rolling, the gearing, suspension and transmission tuning are worlds apart from the standard older Hellcats. Just the gearing ratio from a 2.62 to 3.09 will make all the difference. But man that Roush looks and reving is enough to win in looks department alone
No surprise the Catt was making the pass in very first run. Roush tends to over state their kits power, and have done so since 2008. I'd estimate the Roush at 650 hp and 580 tq.
I would love to see what Ford could do with a bigger motor...like a 6.5 or larger... they're really good at getting these smaller motors to run so well, imagine if their displacement matched Chevy and Dodge?
I’m a Ford 5.0 Mustang guy but Ford is looking to the future with gas mileage and electrics. That’s why they are not investing in big blocks. Sadly, gas motors are going to quickly become the past.
Roush driver here… thank you very much Sam and Dane for this race. Must say that Dane’s Hellcat is the scariest car I’ve driven so far… impressive!!! Love for everybody and haters… please, just enjoy the video lol
you need to ditch that roush tune
Next time you should start with the manual shifting to get into gear then switch to auto immediately. Using shifters on a 10speed doesn’t do it justice. You’ll feel the difference brother👍🏼
I would rather have your black boat than the red boat.
Thanks for allowing us to see your car in action, I'm a big fan of both cars. 2 very clean and fast cars ;-)
Beast fuckin mustang fuck the haters 💯🙏
This was the best drag race I've seen to date. Amazing
I was a little surprised that the Hellcat was pulling back the Roush at higher speeds. Either way, that was an amazing comparison!
The Hellcat it's 860HP.. 🤷🏻♂️ Only reason the Roush gets ahead is because it's lighter.. Anyways that car is fast! Even on HP Disadvantage it takes off like there's no tomorrow..
@@geogmz8277 the hellcat is only 707? where is 860 coming from?
nevermind i guess the owner advertises 860, race makes way more sense now
@@cretek3957 Yeah good catch. Makes way more sense now.
Mopars always have top end speeds we are never known for coming out of the dig quick…
Great races. That Roush tunes kills the Mustang top end everytime
It's governed to 155. Got to have a tunner remove it. Comes that way from Ford factory. I own one with roush r2650 stage 2 2020 750 hp 670 lb-ft torque. Cannot go over 155.
Yuppp! Once that tune sees high iats it pulls timing resulting in hp loss.
Truth. Roush has always been ultra conservative with their tunes. I can't count how many supercharged Roush cars and trucks I've seen get custom dyno tunes and pick up another 10-15% horsepower. I guess if you're going to give a 3-year warranty on your product, you're going to tune it for the absolute worst case scenario.
@@justinhawes5193 what a shame
@@dwanesimmons4475 What's a Shame?
I had a stock 18 Hellcat Charger and I currently have a 19 Roush Stage 3 Mustang and anytime I ran the Mustang against my Hellcat the Mustang won every single time in a dig or roll and both cars were on drag radials. My Roush was on the Phase 1 calibration at the time which was 710hp/610tq. Now I’m on the Phase 2 calibration at 750hp/670tq like this car in the video and those races were way too close for that. I suspect that Hellcat is not stock or just some poor driving not knowing how to utilize the 10 speed in the Mustang.
Nah, The Hellcat is just fast. No other excuse.
@@tillman002000 Hellcat isnt stock.
Automatics and unexperienced drivers🤣🤣
@@tillman002000 bolt on Na 5.0s beat up stock Hellcats what you mean lol boosted coyote will smack a stock hellcat
Hellcat is not stock whatsoever. I have a 2021 stage 3 roush and hellcats have never been a problem.
His expressions wen he loses is so genuine it’s funny and cool at the same time👍🏽
As a Roush owner, this race makes me proud. Thanks for this amazing race.
The Roush got its rear handed to it. Reeled in. Def makes less than 700 hp. Roush has always overrated their cars.
is a roush reliable? I feel like its too good to be true for around $30,000
@@IranAir12 they make the power they say they do, they just don't have the best cooling setup. They can run 10.8s on a prepped quarter mile but run slower times in back to back pulls. This one handled the heat pretty well, usually the heatsoak slows them down a lot after a couple of pulls. For this being a stock Roush setup on the Roush tune, it did really well. Their tunes are slowly getting better, I'm running their most recent revised calibration and it blows the last one out of the water. They need to get the heat under control to start actually being competitive.
@@cooperlueck they're very reliable. The Roush tuning is conservative and shift points are just over 7k instead of 7400. The only issue with mine is that it might have messed up one of my cats, no internal issues though.
I wouldn't be. He makes more power (supposedly), weighs less, and got reeled in.
Great video, great views from different perspectives. Very close, Those are always the funnest races.
Love the sounds both these cars make.
Nice race... Both cars launched nicely. Looks like the Stang runs out of steam at higher speed as the Hellcat reels it in pretty strongly.
That's because of the conservative tuning on the Roushe.... A proper Dyno tune with that setup and it would be over.
Yeah usually the hemi engines are the ones that runs out of steam and mustangs pull to redline.
The Roush blowers are the worst ones for the Gen 3 coyote. Heat soak issues.
@@AB-coyote which blower do you recommend?
@@gummybear41283 Vortech / Paxton are excellent options if you like centrifugal blowers. Whipple and VMP are excellent PD blowers.
The roush 2.3 used on the 15-17 Gen 2 coyote was a great blower. The Gen 3 coyotes have the DI so there is less room for a blow down Intercooler design but Roush still stuck with a blow down design. Thay had to make the Intercooler smaller.
I personally have VMP gen2r on my 17 GT.
guys need to switch lanes...That hop at the 3/4 mark makes a difference you can clearly see the advantage by a 1/2 car length. Great video...I always look forward to them.
Very impressive race! Thank you sir!
Good runs and great driving by the guy in the Hellcat. I far too often see owners blowing the tires off the rims on launch, but this guy held it together with every run.
I always cringe when I see Roush cars in a comparison, because I automatically know its going to fall on its face at half track. Roush is famous for pulling a "ton" of timing out of the top end of their ECU tunes. They do it to account for poor fuel quality (or the owners that are too cheap to run premium fuel), since they're offing a 3-year warranty on their product. Every single Roush car/truck I've seen get a custom tune, has picked up a solid 10-15% increase across the board.
Still...it is what it is.
Great race, I would have thought you would’ve had a lot of tire spin but you guys laid it down nicely. How about those two cars vs the 2021 Cadillac CT5 Blackwing.
Cadillac will kick there asses
Blackwing is slow
@@michaelhudson303 please explain?
@@jamesdyer3507 it would lose. Because it loses against the Gt500 as these 2 barely lose against the Gt500. It is a super nice Caddy tho. I have seen a Taurus SHO almost beat a Blackwing. Even a Marauder was on the back doors of a Blackwing. That is 1 heavy Gran Marque on drugs. Stock on stock.
@@lincolnls0416 my man 🤜🤛
I love my Roush S3 2020...it does everything I ever wanted from a muscle car. Both these cars are badass for sure
idc what nobody says that's not a 30-40k difference. being that competitive with near 50 less hp and 300+ pounds heavier is insane.
Love the sound of both these cars🔥🔥😲I don't actually know which one sounds best😂🔥
Thanks for this Video . We own Roush Stage 3’s and I’ve wondered how these two cars compared to each other. Now then , Please Please do the same thing with the 2021 Roush Stage 3 against the 2021 Shelby GT 500 . The HP is only 10 different but the Torque is 45 difference. I’ve been looking for a video on this but only find the RS3 up against an older GT500 . I’m betting other Roush owners like me want to see this race .
Came all the way from Quebec to race! Wicked!
This is the most epic race ever seen
Can’t believe the price for the Roush Stage 3 but you pay for the name. Great races! I am going to miss the sound of V8’s. My kids sadly enough will never enjoy the beauty of these machines.
Just put a Roush Supercharger on a brand new mustang. Was under $50k with wheels tires, suspension, exhaust, and car. After I break it in going to get it tuned to hopefuly 850hp crank HP. Pretty good bargain of performance
A procharger would make more power and cooler boost temps roush has temperature issues look it up
@@utahcountypicazospage5412 Spent alot of time behind a newer roush supercharged 5.0. Never had any issues so I think ill be okay. Plus no one offers a 3 year warranty on the product like roush does...
Yeah the price here is insane and takes away from the mustang. You can get a brand new 22 + stage 1 for less than 35k
@@RecreationCertified Did you ever tune it? I have a roush, wondering how far you can tune them.
This is one of the fair races to be seen and a conclusion to be taken from an actual better machine. I think a lot of people downplay the challengers and call them all sorts of things but when something like this is shown to us, you clearly see which one comes out on top. That mustang is insane too. They’re both way above any standard “stock” cars out there for the most part but even though they stayed near each other with the mustang taking off first, you can see that he wouldn’t stay ahead too long. Especially on a roll. This was an amazing race. Loved this video! Beautiful cars!
Idk what your point is but stangs are faster
@@NATURALGAMING this one wasn’t.
@@NATURALGAMING stang couldn’t even switch gears, piece of junk lol
@@jmkos86 how do
You figure look at all the cam
Angels on pretty much every race except the one where the tranny got stuck on the stang looool the stang finished first every time. You’re seeing the Dodge pull ahead after the dude already pumps the breaks to end the race on the stang 😂😂 come on now
@@muttswob4239 we watched the same video. What I say stands. He mentions at the end where he can’t pass him. What we saw, every race was a close race on a 1/4 mile. With more space, pushing the engine, what I say stands. Every race, the challenger was catching up and would eventually take over and the mustang doesn’t have the back end torque the challenger has. On a longer track, the hellcat would take it every time. From a heavier body and less crank hp. The mustang will ALWAYS leave first and be ahead for a bit because of their differences but the once the power of that supercharged 6.4 kicks in that’s it.
I’ve a q60 red sport thats tuned by AMS (red alpha stage 3 kit), its got about 470 whp, let me know if you wanna race it! (Runs 11.5 at the quarter mile)
I love both cars..im an old Saleen fan..I own a hellcat but have love for all American muscle..interesting race..
That was a great race. I enjoyed it very much. I would like to see who would win at higher speeds.
Hellcat, their top end is too strong
Awesome race!!! Like the Roush stafe 3 it was under-rated it was aways GT500 vs hellcat but now finally Roush stage 3. Now that Roush stage 3 raced a hellcat it's time to meet a GT500!!! LET'S GO ROUSH!!!
Yes more mopar videos.. let’s see some 392 stuff please
Mopar, baby! You know what it is 😏
Stock 392 vs stock 5.0 10 speed vs stock SS 10 speed.
@@6ixspeedstang186 I'd love to see that
If the 392 has good tires, it’s game over for the Mustang and Camaro. Without tires, it’s probably game over for the 392.
@@danieljohn4603 I doubt that. These 10 speed coyotes have great top end. Dunno much about the maros
Wow that was entertaining! Second run hellcat driver was manually shifting looks like. What happened to the roush, the transmission doesn't upshift sometimes? Is that due to the tune
I was using racing fuel and i got a misfire about fuel quality that won’t let me take it higher than 7k rpm
@@carlosolimon7513 ohh gotcha. Thanks for explaining!
No it's a crappy FORD!!!
@@bruceduvelow2283 dumb comment
@@wytewizzard We all know if that shitty ford was totally stock it would have been much different. Actually, a VALID COMMENT.
Wow, a great video. Thank you!
Should’ve put the roush in track mode. That would’ve disabled traction control allowing for better throttle response and a better launch.
There's something about Sam. I take back any bad remarks about your driving skills. That's irrelivant, you are genuine and so enthustiastic. Which is why you are the best You Tuber in my book. You da man Sam, and Dane is the woman.
Is this the roush mustang that the throttle body closes when the supercharger temps go up which makes you lose power and keeps temps high instead of cooling down
Love both cars but rooting for the Mustang. On a different note though looking forward to seeing some races between the 21/22 Elantra N Line vs 22 Civic Si or Elantra N vs Veloster N
There will be so many Raceland channels bringing that type of content. Sam brings the real races 🏁
@@15thelongway are you a dolt? Look if you get a wet spot in your panties for big burly V8’s… good for you, the Veloster/Elantra N’s are almost type R level, and any off those cars would demolish these big V8’s in a short closed course race.
@@AlexGtheDon take your meds man
the new Si will get hammered against the N. by a lot! the Si is a mid to low 15 second car...
Bruh no one wants to read about no civic in this video 😂
This so tuff I’m undecided about which one I want🔥🔥🔥
I've got a 2021 GT with a Phase 2 and you are correct about the shifting. If I'm in SPORT mode with the Roush tune it's rough and if I'm in TRACK mode it's undrivable in the city as my spine feels like I'm on the receiving end of a viking invasion. I'm sure you know what Toronto streets are like :)
I really enjoyed this video . Please !!! Do the same Video with a 2021 Roush Stage 3 against a 2021 Shelby GT 500 . I have a 2020 RS3 and I’m dying to know how my car would do against a GT 500 of the same year and not an older 500 .
Exactly what I would like to see but no one wants to do it
Awesome video 👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼🔥🔥🔥
amazing cars thx for sharing both.
Why didn't u use drag strip mode in the mustang? It firms up the shifts so much.
wow!!! Hey you said semi slick ties. which tires are those. If they are a drag radial that makes a big difference. The hell cat have a semi slick? I know it sounds crazy but I imagine those cars could spin tires at 50mph on the roll also.
Good video!! 10 speed really came in clutch for that mustang! Imma mopar for life tho!
Great racing 👍🏻
Does Carlos daily drive the roush?
Is the suspension smooth?
Do you have a soundfile of the starting secondes of this clip?🔥🔥
For the amount of money spent on the Roush it should walk that hellcat. 760 is moderately tuned for a Gen 3 though. That Roush can make much more power than that but great race fellas
good race both good drivers but who is the best what is the best
There’s no reason the mustang should lose at all. Weighs less, higher HP, higher torque, better aero, better gearbox. Like this is truly determined by the drivers
Mustang has aggressive gearing probably a 3.73 which is to much for top end . Low trap speed , it needs a 3.55 or 3.15 to handle that hellcats trap speed
I agree
Yep. My roush has 3:73
I have a 2014 ROUSH stage 3 phase 3 675hp and it's a beast.
what is the outcome of the race?
These cars sound so good.
It's a proven fact, that with the 10-speeds, you are better off letting the computer shift for you.
What stage was the dodge?
Let's see we got sticky tires on the mustang. The Challenger has stock tires looks like pirellis. The mustang has more horsepower and weighs less. And the hellcat still pulls it in. Would I rather pay $67,000 or $93,000 I think that's an easy answer
So which would you rather have?
@@collingreatest1772 I'd take the hellcat
I'm putting a Vortech supercharger on my 2020 Mustang GT. Will have 56K invested for 700 HP.
Actually I was using Nexun winter tires ahahah
the $93k is just Roush pricing. You can get a supercharged mustang GT for $35k brand new lol.
Had a guy in this exact mustang only red try to race me in my Challenger Scat Pack. I took one look at his Roush and new better. Managed to ask him at the Red light how much he paid for it...$94,000. I couldn't help but laugh. Nice car but way outta my price range.
Nice race guys!
Smart man lol but I still race knowing ima lose
Unfortunately the Roush blower for
Gen 3 coyote is the worst one to get out of all the blowers available for the
18-current mustangs. They have heat soak issues. Undersized Intercooler.
A Whipple or VMP Wouldn’t have let the Hellcat come back and close the gaps.
Do people race woth standard transmissions now?
Paddle shift/center console shift in manual mode every time. Full auto sometimes hangs. Proven fact manual shift with auto trans is by far best for faster time/quicker acceleration. Always sport, sport plus or track mode and traction control off. Sam this time did a much better reaction to hand drop.
Mustang needs a Palm Beach Dyno tune verses Roush. Missing out on power and transmission tune. Roush tune like a OTF tune for Ford so called warranty.
Sam this was an excellent race this goes to show supercars are not the only stars but also these scary beastly machines man , and I'm Tellin ya that Roush is way better than Shebly mustangs , more durable and all you can go watch hoovies garage video regarding Roush mustangs and why they're better than Shelby's also Sam there is one special Roush mustang that you need to try and get and not only do a race with but also a full review with ,it's the P51 Roush Mustang that thing has had only 51 units made in the entire world , nevertheless I'm a Mopar guy and I'm proud of the hellcats performance against the this beast so as well against the R8 in the last video of course that was the Redeye I know but still these kitty cats are awesome 😎👍💪🇺🇸🔥🔥❤️❤️💯💯✌️ SOME OF THR BEST PERFORMANCE DRAG RACES IN ALL OF CZcams THESE TWO RACES WERE!!🤜🤛.
So who won on track roll race?
So no drag mode in the s550? That's weird? The ecu allows for a little bit of slippage by adjusting timing, braking, and throttle respond to the traction control system and all you have to do is stay in it and point and shoot. I'm about to boost my 5.0 6speed premium package very very soon. Can't wait to see what it'll do. It's tuned by Lund now on flex fuel tune. Nice runs against the Hellcat. Can't sleep on those kitty cats especially with a driver who knows how to drive one.
As an A91 mkv owner, I can't help but admire the sound of a v8. Would love to get behind the wheel of one and try it out.
Fellow owner. While I do admire the sound, I'll take my supra any day. Especially considering a downpipe and e50 tune pulls on both of these cars. 🤘
Drag radial’s on mustang explains why that launch was sooo good, not sure what was on the Hellcat.
I had winter tires on lmao
@@Mr.BobbyHellcat balls of steel you have.. lol
Unfortunately the stang has a speed limiter and tops out at 155. Where the Hellcat does not. I have a r2650 on my 2020 mustang. Going to remove it when warranty expires. Will do 190 easy.
What does this have to do with an 1/8th mile or quarter mile race? When are you going to race it past 155? Just curious.. How many times have you actually been to 155?
@@CreativePixElation Lol... Alot. Considering I have a super charged 5 liter. It gets to 155 fast. So does a hellcat. Do you own either of these vehicles? 155 is not shit for a hellcat. Roll racing people break 155 ease. Quarter mile not going to happen stock supercharger.
@@CreativePixElation He is reeling him in because the mustang cuts power alot once you go over 150. 50 roll your going to break 150.
@@CreativePixElation Perhaps not. It's kph so that is 31 mph. So probably no going to break 150.
@@justinhawes5193 I do actually... and there isn't a hellcat at the track I go to that needs to worry about 155mph. Most don't reach over 130mph.. But... My speed limiter is about 180.. I'm still not going to hit it in the 1/4 mile...
Should have had the hell cat in track mode. You need the 40millisecond shifts versus 60mil in sport.
Driver mod needed
These close races are so insanely satisfying. Monster cars head to head, love it.
2 things (lol)
1. Lets see that Sentra!
2. Dane revving the Hellgato with a dart in his hands. Outstanding
Had to get the Belmont in the shot y’know
So the car with 50 more HP, 20 more torque and weighs 250lbs less cant outrun its opponent. Something doesnt add up. I believe Roush really put in some warrenty tuning in the top of of that mustang. Looks like the Mustang hit a wall at a certain speed.
Heatsoak and inflated hp numbers. Roush MO lol
@@Lifeof728 Yeah Roush isn't the greatest you're better off going whipple.
@@someferarriguy7910 whipple don't offer the same warranty 3 year 30,000 miles ,right now whipple is over 12weeks back order . So going to whipple isnt that easy.lol
Yes something not right exactly what I was thinking
What did the hellcat driver say about the gt500??
Can I just say this, in a mustang there is a reason they have, Drag strip mode, and Line lock. Use it!
Both cars are absolutely awesome. It seems that the Mustang is a bit better out of the hole, but the hellcat pulls harder as you get going, be was reeling the Mustang in before they let off.
I’m hyped for dodge to release the ghoul package
Very interesting, guys pressing the gas on road cars, and admiring changes from changing sides. Wowwwww!!!!!!!
The 2021 Roush Stage 3 Mustang if it’s the 10 speed auto will take the Hellcat in a dig and roll every time. If it was a Redeye it would be a toss up.
Yeah either the title is wrong or the emblem is wrong but if it was the red eye toss up for sure
negative it absolutely will not.. the Roush Stage 3 has been known to underperform for the HP numbers the RS3 traps around the same and less than a stock hellcat and runs near identical times. It will lose to a Redeye every time from a roll or dig and a 2020 GT500 which actually performs like its hp rating. A stock Hellcat can beat a RS3 especially above 130+
The roush set up gets heat soaked after one run
That’s inaccurate info. That was the initial rollout on the 2018’s with the smaller heat exchanger and original calibration. The revised Phase 2 calibration and larger heat exchanger have made huge improvements.
@@johnthegaptist7794 Intercooler is still significantly smaller than the blow up designs from VMP and Whipple. It still gets heat soaked. Not enough room in the valley of a Gen 3 to install a sufficient blow down design.
@@AB-coyote no heatsoak issues wit mine and its a 2020
Probably the only time I’ve seen someone not just spin tires trying to launch a hellcat on a non prep surface
Helps daily driving it for 100,000km lmao thanks man.
I drive a S60 3.0 Polestar Volvo. It's AWD and I wreck the 5.0 GT Mustangs whenever they line up. 400hp and 650 NM of torque. I pulled up next to one of these thinking it was a regular 5.0. It absolutely wrecked me and sounded magnificent while doing it. I still destroyed it around the first set of bends but on the straights it ruled #respek
Seems as though the Hellcat had gearing better for higher speeds with reliable acceleration and the Mustang wants to leave like a bat out of hell but the gear ratios limit top end acceleration compared to the hellcat. Overall I would say the hellcat with lower numbers 2 gears less and heavier weight it still the quicker car down the run but a better driver could have changed this outcome. What do you guys think?
its the roush tune over 5k in 5thgear up pulls 8 degrees timing and it falls on its face
Tuning and gear ratio played a roll in why the races kept ending the way they did. Hellcat had longer gears than the stang, stang is set up for a shorter run. I am a FORD man and always will be. But you gotta respect what Dodge did with those engines.
If that's a stock hellcat, that's pretty good to be neck and neck with a stage 3 mustang... but it would've been a clear difference in favor of Dodge if it was a redeye against the stage 3 mustang
The Roush isn't known for a great amount of power. Had that Mustang had a Whipple treatment, the Hellcat would've been skinned pretty handily.
@@lanemorrow7417 true but then a better comparison would’ve been the red eye/demon
Would love to see both cars race with 6sp manuals, as true muscle cars should have manuals, separates the men from the boys imo. Great race though, enjoyed it!
Why are you guys using “manual” mode??? Let them run properly, it’s an AUTOMATIC 🤷🏽♂️
Exactly 🤣
The problem is that it's Roush. Get a Whipple or VMP on there and have it properly tuned for the same max power and the Hellcat wouldn't stand a chance.
Those were some good close races, I’d be curious to see the roush vs redeye
Oh yeah you read my mind , exactly what I want to see as well let's gooo!!! American muscle 💪.
Honestly that Roush get pulled on both from dig and rolling, the gearing, suspension and transmission tuning are worlds apart from the standard older Hellcats. Just the gearing ratio from a 2.62 to 3.09 will make all the difference. But man that Roush looks and reving is enough to win in looks department alone
2020 gt500 vs red eye
@@jerrymurillo5017 coming on this 2022
Imo if the roush was geared differently this would have been a lot less of a fair race
I was actualy waiting for a drag race where the demon actualy uses its drag mode instead of sport mode
No surprise the Catt was making the pass in very first run. Roush tends to over state their kits power, and have done so since 2008. I'd estimate the Roush at 650 hp and 580 tq.
Damn that looked like fun
Huh lookin at the top end you'd think the challenger was the more streamlined car 0_0 but its a square how's that possible?
Very good runs mustangs transmission wasn’t very happy you can hear that slight delay on some gears as that race goes by
That's torque reduction in the tune to protect the transmission, it's normal unless custom tuned.
Dang hellcat down on power and weight more, still did good
The manual shifting in the Mustang definitely needed more RPMs.
I thought the Roush would walk the floor out of the hellcat at least two bus Length, I’m surprised 😮
I think in reality it would. My son's 21' GT with roush supercharger 10spd kills new hellcats , but hes at 800hp
American muscle at its finest!!! 🇺🇸🏁
Now I'm starting to see what's going on here it's the the gears and I believe the weight got some do with indifference how it takes off to go Mustang
“What the hell? We’re men, we die only once”
10 short gears means she runs out of steam top end too quickly. Good races
Right on! It shifts too quick losing torque in every gear while the 8 speed holds it's gears longer.
I would love to see what Ford could do with a bigger motor...like a 6.5 or larger... they're really good at getting these smaller motors to run so well, imagine if their displacement matched Chevy and Dodge?
I’m a Ford 5.0 Mustang guy but Ford is looking to the future with gas mileage and electrics. That’s why they are not investing in big blocks. Sadly, gas motors are going to quickly become the past.
The coyote don't need it. 5.0 coyote supercharged and set up by brenspeed are all in the 10's and under factory warranty for 36,000 mi.
Does more expensive mean more better?
Hellcat comes with a 2.62 rear gear, I'm curious as to what the roush has. Maybe the reason hellcat picked him up
3:73 on the ROUSH
@@woodysdrums8083 3:73 for manual….. it’s 3:55 for automatic
Well ain't that something.
Good race