Jeremy Jones Pool Instruction - Aiming with English
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- čas přidán 11. 10. 2023
- Team USA Mosconi Cup Captain Jeremy Jones provides talks about aiming with english to improve your pool game.
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JJ is the most knowledgeable commentator and has yhe best way about him in the box. Kudos JJ and good luck this year bringing home the cup!
Facts!
Jimmy Jones . I'm picking bagging off of someone else's comment on your instructional video it's more to me a clearer sense of understanding of how to use English some people are not aware of that but I paid close attention to it. As these weeks go by I will constantly improve it. Please continue your instructional videos you do
@melvinpough8349 good idea. I liked it too. Keep it up JJ
Finally! This is the second time I’ve watched this video and it finally clicked - to keep the back of the cue centered on the cue ball while applying side spin at the tip. After applying this technique, I began making a lot more shots with the cue ball traveling exactly where I expected. And even if I miss, the contact between the cue and cue ball is much more solid, resulting in better “feel”. Thanks JJ!
How? Is this like a front hand English then? Confused
Yes, this is FHE. I would call it "FHE in the air". FHE is when the back hand is stationary on center and the front hand shifts off center to apply english.
The final result of JJ's technique is the same as pivoting with 100% FHE. The front hand is shifted the same regardless of whether you place it on the table at center ball first and then shift it to apply english (a standard FHE pivot with the grip hand stationary), or you shift it to its final off-center position while coming down to the table without moving the grip hand (JJ's technique). The final cue orientation is the same in either case. In short, he's doing an FHE pivot in the air "at the last moment" while coming down.
But if JJ's technique is the same as FHE, why does he dislike pivoting? He says it's because, "It's very hard to keep the butt in the center. If I go down with center ball and I pivot to the left, you can see the butt goes to the right." But (pun intended!), when he demonstrates this (5:10), he uses a pure BHE pivot! Of course the butt moves to the right if you make it move it that way using a BHE back hand pivot movement. If instead you use a proper FHE pivot, the back hand will not move and there is no difference between the techniques.
In fact, at 6:46 he has a "prover" of his technique where he basically does a reverse FHE pivot to bring the cue back into center line (“pivot back to center”) to show that the shot is still made without english. If using a reverse FHE pivot proves that the english is properly canceled, then using a normal FHE pivot to apply that english in the first place is also proven to be proper.
Basically, I think he doesn't like FHE & BHE pivots simply because he learned to shoot without them and has done so for 33 years. And that's fine. Given his level of accomplishment, it clearly works for him. So, I can’t argue with that.
As further clarification, when he says, "the butt stays in the center of the cue ball", he means to say "the grip hand stays in the center of the cue ball" on the center-to-ghostball shot line. Indeed, at 7:08 he says, "very important for you to squeeze the back hand and keep it in [center] position." So, I think he's talking about the back grip hand, not the butt of cue. (The back hand is so close to the butt end that it doesn’t matter that much either way.) Again, it's therefore the same as an FHE pivot.
I agree with @douglasschultz8215 who said, "Not really proof it holds up for all shots. He should probably watch Dr. Dave's videos regarding this topic." Shot speed, shot distance, amount of cue deflection (natural pivot length), length of bridge (tip to front hand), cue elevation, CIT & SIT throw, cloth characteristics, and especially the quality of your stroke will all affect the success of using this - or any - technique. Dr. Dave discusses all these issues, and I have a couple of videos too.
Finally, this is FHE "in the air". This is not BHE. He does an example using parallel english, but parallel english is not FHE or BHE. Those are three different cue orientations. And by mixing those techniques you can get any cue orientation in between.
Wow thank you. Still weird and I have to try this. I've tried fhe and bhe for different shots. I've heard fhe is better for longer, full table shots, etc. It's those half table, like the cue is 3 diamonds away from a ball along the rail or close to the rail that is another 2 to 3, 3.5 diamonds away from the pocket and I need low left or low right, where I can screw it up.
@@JD-fx1np "I've heard fhe is better for longer, full table shots." That's because of swerve. Swerve manifests itself more with longer shots. Swerve counteracts deflection so you need less aim compensation, and FHE gives exactly that. On shorter, faster shots, swerve doesn't kick in quickly so deflection predominates and you need more aim compensation. BHE gives exactly that, so it works better for short/fast shots (assuming you bridge at your cue's NPL).
"It's those half table ... need low left/right where I can screw it up." Yeah, me too! A common and important shot. And not that easy. At "3 diamonds away" you might need a combination of BHE & FHE to get the right aim compensation. And when the OB is close to the rail, throw becomes more of an issue, especially if the OB is "2 to 3.5 diamonds away".
To add to the challenge for all the above, cue elevation is a critical -- and often neglected -- factor. Even small increases in cue elevation can increase swerve significantly. In some cases you might need even >100% FHE (which is possible). So it all changes if your cue elevation changes even slightly!
He perfectly describes the tangential relationship between the cue ball and the object ball. If you watch Efren - and I mean every video you can find - you will see him employ the points made here with absolute perfection.
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Efren almost always aim like he would shoot ultra low bottom, then he applies english on the last stroke (something JJ says he doesnt like here), he shows it in a TAR video with Shane.
you are so wrong
I've been playing for nearly 40 years, and this is the best tip I've ever heard for aiming with English! Thank you JJ!
Super quality commentary and great knowledge about the game. Matches that you don't comment on taste bland. Please keep what you're doing. You're a great asset to the game, JJ.
Yikes...I'm going to have to pay more attention to my aiming method. I make English adjustments after addressing the cue ball unless I know exactly ahead of time what direction I'm wanting the cue ball to go in then I still make micro adjustments once I get down to aiming. According to JJ I'm doing this wrong and yet I'm a pretty strong player.
I'm playing tonight and going to make this adjustment. I think it will be of great benefit as it will force me to slow down and aim all of the cue on the correct plane not just after addressing the cue ball. I have never had any formal instruction and now CZcams is making things more interesting...thanks much JJ always love your commentary and great play.
JJ’s voice is so soothing similar to how Bob Ross was. Jeremy starts talking and I nod off 😅. Love to hear him speak.
Very useful, Jones. I've been confused about how to apply spin despite watching tons of videos on CZcams, they never get to the point like you do. Thank you so much 👍👍👍
Excellent info!!! I never once thought about the total MASS of the cue contributing to better and more consistent contact with the CB. I have basically always "parallel" aimed, or PIVOTED, my stick for the type of English I wanted to impart on the ball. I'm about to head straight (get it?.... straight?..... haha... ok, lame joke there, sorry.....) to my pool table to try this out. I don't see how this method CAN'T work and produce more consistency!!!! Thanks J.J.!!!
An excellent explanation! I’ve been searching for something on aiming with English and have watched countless videos. This, by far, is the most useful. Thank you!
thank you for this info... looks like a backhand english applied without the pivot.... will try.... Vince
Very nice to see it explained this way. This has been my method that naturally came to me. I always find my line and adjust as I come down slow on the shot. I've gotten comfortable shooting on the edge of the ball from practicing. This channel has some of the best teaching techniques. Thanks for being great at what you all do. Take care
JJ is the man! I would love to hear @DrDaveBilliards thoughts on this
Absolutely fantastic video and it makes so much sense. I played a lot in the Philippines, and a few years ago I had a Filipino try to teach me this EXACT method of aiming with English. I was not receptive to it at all. In fact, a number of Filipino players that I was playing with were not receptive to it. But it makes so much sense. They key, as Jeremy says, is that you make the adjustment towards the end of getting down on the shot.
I just came back from working on this at my local pool hall. It took maybe 10 to 15 shots until I got the hang of it, but once I did it was so much easier! There is not much thought to it. You just do as Jeremy says and stroke through the ball. Now, if you have a bad stroke it is going to be a problem like any shot you try with bad stroke. I highly encourage everyone to try this. I wish I had been more receptive to this a few years ago.
As noted by Jeremy, this is not exactly backhand english (BHE) although to many it will appear that way. The back hand does not change from the original aim line.
Is it not front-hand english?
So therefore it must be-‘slight’-FHE ,, btw, have you practiced TOI? similar in ‘slight/subtle’ but guess it’s a parrallel cue adj. - wondering how compares to this Filipino method ? - also, do you recommend some English for All (most ) shots?
@@MrMich2012 Yes, after practicing this more the past few days I am thinking the same thing. It has to be a slight bit of FHE. It just has to be. The difference is that you do not adjust AFTER you are already down on the shot, you adjust at the FINAL move on getting down on the shot.
I am amazed at how well it works. It does take some getting used to, but it works on all sorts of english. Low left, low right, high right, high left. Three oclock english, nine oclock english. I really wish I had paid more attention when I first was introduced to this.
@@beyondnzt4866 Yes, after using this method the last few days it has to be some FHE english. The key, as I have mentioned, is the move to apply the english is made at the very end of getting down on the shot. NOT AFTER you have gotten already down. It is really a subtle adjustment, but it works really well and honestly doesn't take much thought when you really get used to it.
Just decide when you are standing up the type of english you want to apply and then apply that english on the final movement when getting down on the shot. I am a practice freak and it only took me about 12 to 15 attempts to really understand the movement.
Then in the last three days I have worked on it so it becomes totally natural to me. It is not totally natural as of now, I do have to think about it bit more than normal right now, but it works really well.
As for TOI, I really have not tried it much and still don't completely understand it.
It's basically FHE imo, the only difference would be that normally with FHE you go down on the shot and then pivot your front hand, which can result in rather awkward form of your brigdehand. Whereas the method Jeremy is describing places the hand on the correct spot in its natural bridge form. Not sure if it is the case with the method from the video, FHE is normally not so accurate for shots when you hit the balls hard. Have you tried hitting balls harder with this method?@@jamesdavis8731
More great work, Coach JJ. Thank you
I've tried this for a while since seeing this video. This is the best aiming method I have seen, and I've tried a lot of aiming systems. Thanks.
For ALL shots - or just the ones where English necessary
* reason I ask is , I watched and played w group of Indians 🇮🇳 recently whom were phenomenal- after beer the head guy said secret was applying English on EVERY shot - which after time becomes more accurate vs center ball..
Thank you so much for this video! Holding my cue for English is always my issue!
Thanks JJ…. Excellent pool tips as always.
Great tips JJ, keep'em coming!
JJ finally explained it so even a dummy like me can understand. I've been struggling with shooting english and this put it into perspective. I pivot instead of coming down on the shot like JJ showed, but it's just a different means to an end.
Thanks JJ!
A really helpful and powerful session, especially for me. Considering that I've stepped away from the game for years several times and adopted some habits that have taken me out of proper form.
Great set of videos!
awesome tip thank you. i always struggle with playing with english and missed most of my long and medium speed shot with the parallel shifting of the cue . this makes so much sense . will try thank you.
Nice tip! Captain! Glad you started your channel
Thanks Jeremy. I struggle with this part of my game. I'll try your technique and see how it goes..
Great instruction, great way of explaining a difficult topic
I was taught to move whole stick. You just did what I do when I hit it harder. Thank you, maybe I misunderstood the person I was working with. I am going to start practicing with keeping butt of stick center. Thank you
Great stuff! I sm just beginning to understand that shooting a round object into another round object is not only about precision but the variety is endless. Thankful for CZcams.
Excellent advice, JJ! 👋
Thank you, useful tip. Will practice it tomorrow👍
Thanks so much. Very helpful.
Great segments
Best commentator in pool. Thank you Jeremy. Differentiating between front hand and back hand english is a complex mess so this seems to take the adjustments out. The line or groove that you hand makes was a great point. Pivoting after putting down the front hand definitely would be going against the grain slightly to make a weaker slide.
thank you Great tips
Pretty encouraging because this is how I aim and I never knew if it was the best way
This works incredibly well.
Wow love it, thank you
👍👍👍👍. Great vid. Tnx
Great job Jeremy.
One of the few videos of this topic that i can agree with.
When i'm shooting a really delicate shot with max english needed with the least possible force, i move the whole cue to side i am aiming the cb. Every other shot with english, i shoot like Jeremy teaches here.
Love it cant wait to give it a go
another great vid!
100% FHE, DrDave is REVOLTED :D
That was an eye-opening lesson to me. Gotta try it cause im literally screwed whenever i put spin on
This video will help me immensely. I was always of the ilk of pivoting for english after I set up for the shot and often times would miss the shot on the object ball. I could usually get position for what I wanted to shoot next but have to give up my turn because of the miss on the object ball. Now I have something to practice the next time I am at the table. Thank you.
You have to watch your stroke when you apply front hand english. You have to stroke it as if you are shooting it with no english aiming at the natural contact point, since the tip is moved off center a bit the cue stroke will be delivered at an angle but the momentum from the stroke will be more towards the ball since that is the direction you are stroking it making the shot work. Hope that makes sense.
Holy cow it works! Tried it at lunch time!
BHE/FHE are both great ways to aim with spin and lessen effects of squirt. Cool video.
I’m definitely going to toy with this. I would’ve liked to have seen the shot performed with more speed to show its consistency as I find that I usually need to compensate for deflection if I want more speed
Someone showed me the pivot move at mickeys in vegas years ago and center pocketed high inside shot first try. I believe the distance to the object ball can change things up with that approach. I'll have to try this method.
I have always parallel shifted, been doing for 30 plus years. It gives you more English applied to the cue ball. As you noted it may cause the ball to be misaimed for someone new, but I just further inside to the inside to the center on a slow shot. I know everyone likes to go 2 or 3 rails and come back to behind the original shot. But I can come back with top inside English off the end rail and be behind the second shot on the rail. I thought you were originally going to specify center ball vs. English for shape. Which bag of worms to address. But you can listen to any match you or Earl does and every the ball is addressed with Englisg
From a fellow Texan Thank you!!!!!!
Thank you
nice explanation
Is what you described called "Front Hand English"?
Sounds like back hands English because there is no movement of front hand (bridge hand) to create English + compensate for deflection
This guy abilities has never changed
Excellent stuff Jeremy Jones. Also, nice podcast with Joe Rogan 👍
JJ, after you line up straight to center, can you explain how to realign body/elbow/eyes to the new aiming shot line? Thanks.
Holy shit I think 5:15 just explained why I chicken wing some shots Im putting english on. Thanks!
Wow!!
JJ. When you say "center" When coming down for top right english, does center mean center of q ball to center of contact point on object ball?
I have been experimenting with BHE pivot at the natural pivot point, and Dr Dave’s BHE/FHE combo and now this method of pure FHE . I am much more successful with the pure FHE method. However, after getting down on the shoot line keeping my back hand in place I my forehand. If we want to call it pivot then it has to pivot at my back hand. I would like to hear from some of the other pros as well just for discussion.
Would have liked to see him make a couple with hitting it hard to get more out of it. It would prove what he is saying better as well. I only usually go wrong when hitting it hard which he only demonstrated once. That’s where most people run into trouble.
So you place the tip of the cue with the position of the bridge hand instead of being “straight on” with a pivot of the entire cue…? Just wondering if that sounds about right.
best explanation ever of why not to use back-hand English
Great tip, but i still find it funny you said "im not worried about deflection" using a low deflection shaft 🤔
When is next video coming out?
I don't quite get what the move is when you are lowering your bridge hand to the table. A straight-on shot at table level would be very helpful.
So, front hand English vs parallel English?
I think FHE and parallel are the same. He’s describing BHE as the back hand is performing english while bridge has no change. I think. 😅
This sounds like front hand English, as he is describing it. If indeed the back hand stays centered to the shot line, its absolutely FHE.
Absolutely
Novice player here. Is the bridge position the exact same as if you’re shooting centre ball. The only difference is tip position?
No that would be called pivoting which is what you DONT want. You need to adjust your bridge hand according to your English. It won’t be far off center but it makes a difference
Does anyone know what tip and shaft diameter jj uses ?
8:15 and 8:43 twisting rear hand on contact.
This is, simply, the reason I stopped playing. I had got good enough where I had to learn this next. And I suspected it would take a great deal of time/effort to learn this. I didn't/don't own a table, so this meant driving somewhere and paying by the hour...just to learn how to get a little bit better. Wasn't worth it to me, but I respect the difficulty. This is one of the things that makes Ronnie O'Sullivan so amazing, btw -- that he almost always shoots with spin. Most, even at the top level, do not do it all the time.
What about on long shots?
I’m not understanding. If you start with the tip situated for a center ball hit, and you don’t move your table hand, but instead just move the tip to upper right, the only way that can happen is if the butt of the cue moves from lined up behind the cue ball. Unless you bend your cue, I don’t see another way to do it.
He lines the shot up as a center ball hit, but has he comes down, he is adjusting his table hand BEFORE he places it down to the table. In this manner, he’s still keeping his grip hand, elbow, and shoulder all on the center ball shot line. The only thing that will be slightly off is his bridge hand. Again he aims center while standing, and then places his bridge hand onto the table depending on the spin he intends to use. Hope this helps.
@@conradical117but wouldn’t that just be FHE?
Exactly what I thought. There's no way you can move cue tip from centre and not also move the butt. Physically impossible
You will never hear a filipino pool player explain this types of shots, they are just natural and that is why talent wise they are by far the best in pool.
Not true. They are NOT by far the best in pool. They have a lot of good players, but they are certainly not winning all of the tournaments regularly. And I did have a Filipino player try to teach me this method years ago, but I was not receptive to it and neither were other Filipinos.
This method does work very well though, once you take a bit to get used to it. The slight adjustment at the end of getting down is very subtle. Others watching you would not ever realize what you were doing - but as I said it works well. It is a bit of FHE english. The only difference is WHEN you apply the english. With most FHE users they make the move AFTER they are down. But with this you make the subtle move when getting down on the shot.
I don't know if that makes much of a difference, but as Jeremy said once you get used to it there isn't much thought. It becomes very natural.
One final point: yes, there are lot of really good Filipino pool players. I saw it when I lived there. But let's not make it out to be they are winning all of the tournaments. That CERTAINLY is not happening. The highest rated Filipino player is not even in the top 10.
@@jamesdavis8731 talent wise they are by far the best. Doesn't mean they don't win it everytime that doesn't mean they are a slouch. I'm just talking about talent wise.
@@jamesdavis8731 talent wise. By far Filipinos are the best. Talent wise .
@@ejcmaestro6520 LOL. No they are not. There might be more good Filipino players, it does not mean they are the most talented.
Are you Filipino? It seems so. It seems you do not understand the difference between talent and NUMBERS of good players.
If they were "by far" (according to you) talent wise they would win a lot more tournaments.
@@ejcmaestro6520 lol, no they are not. There is not one Filipino player MORE talented than FSR or Gorst or Ko Ping Chung. All of those guys are as talented or more talented than any Filipino player.
I agree there are more good players in the Philippines than most country, but that doesn't mean they are the most talented. I lived in the Philippines for 16 years and have no bias against Filipinos at all. But Filipinos have a huge tendency to overestimate their talent. Again, to make this clear: There are more good Filipino players per capita than probably anywhere in the world. But it does NOT mean they are the most talented players.
I would say set up the same shot and shoot it 20 times the same way, same position on the CB, same stroke, same aiming position and note where the CB ends. Then adjust that same shot with the opposite english and note where the CB goes then, and so forth.
I dont get it. Hes still moving the butt of the cue yet says not to do that.
hOLY SHIT.. i'LL BE TOYING WITH IT FOR SURE
Неплохо получатся), учитывая то, что Джереми неправильно держит кий, вывернув запястье и завалив локоть с плечом внутрь, да и смотрит на линию удара левым глазом...
I want to see JJ and Karl on the Match.
can we talk about front hand english vs back hand
This is hard to understand because he contradicts himself. If the butt remains in the center and the bridge hand is moved to the point to apply English on the cue ball then you are going to be pivoting from your bridge hand moving the butt off center or pivoting from your waist, so that you can keep the butt centered, as Jones does; or you’re using parallel English. Picking up your bridge hand and coming back down into the english does not change that you are on a diagonal line in respect to the center of the cue ball.
Pivoting when you are down, moving the rear of the cue, is disadvantageous because you are muscling the cue closer or further away from your body which will fail over time. A good stroke relies more on utilizing the natural hinge movement of your elbow.
I can’t get this at all. I practiced this and I got the aim line for centre and then at the the last second changed my bridge handle so I had left English on it and I over cut it every time. I’m taking the same shot JJ does. It is my speed or the fact I’m I’m putting too much English or is my butt moving out.
Same question..
Damn I thought I was the only one who did this 😂
Is it wrong to think that this method is backhanding English but applying it as you come down instead of after you are down?
If the butt of the cue stays centered, isn't that considered front hand English?
Sounds like a cross between front-hand english and back-hand english. Unlike FHE, the entire cue is not shifted left or right. And unlike BHE, he is not pivoting the tip at the last instant and creating a pronounced shift between the front and back of the cue.
How come it's not really one or the other, as some contend? BHE requires a bigger off-angle from the tip to the butt. Jones' technique results in the butt being closer to the center of the ball, but not exactly centered, as he implies.
Open bridge? I expected more from you
when you think about "center ball" -think about the center of the Earth. the core. . . down to the last suck of the jawbreaker. -concern not yourself with the crust, or mantle. there... 20 seconds of 9 minutes.
English all depends on the deflection characteristics of your cue . Very low deflection shaft you use parallel english for shots with inside English and aim thicker for outside English because of the extra throw . With standard shafts you use back hand English to compensate for the deflection for shots with both outside and inside English.
so this is really front hand English?
WoW... anyone?? who can explain z physics. Probably Dr. Dave?
It's very hard to see centered butt of the cue.
Why do you two videos of the same subject?
Is this not what they call font Hand English?
Great lesson
Isn't this the same as just using forehand or fronthand English on every shot? Every example he shot was just a couple feet from the pocket and a couple feet from the ball. Not really proof it holds up for all shots. He should probably watch Dr. Dave's videos regarding this topic. It probably works fine "most" of the time if you are good at playing for great shape on every shot. But Dr. Dave explains when front hand English breaks down and when it can and cannot be used effectively. I often shoot some shots with inside English using parallel English and it works just fine for those particular shots, and I'm hitting them with speed. So, I don't believe him when he says you can't use parallel English with speed. You can really get that cue ball moving around the table with the inside running English when needed. It's one of my favorite shots. I've also seen Earl shooting those same shots with inside English and he's said it's one of his favorite shots. I have no idea if he aims them with parallel shift or not. Maybe he does this method. I'd like to know. But It's a great video; and I will try it out a bit to see if it's an improvement over what I do. (I try to estimate a combination of front-hand and back-hand English like Dr. Dave suggests, depending on the shot and how hard I want to hit.) I seem to have gotten a pretty good feel for it.
Sort of settles Front Hand English vs Back Hand English for “most” shots in a realistic setting. Back hand can work great for close distance/high speed shots, but not for “most” shots.