Dual 1019: Shockingly good vintage turntable & price!
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- Vintage turntables represent a best buy for various new analog enthusiasts and a wise choise for experienced audiophiles. In this video we explore a star, the Dual 1019, a idler turntable produced starting from 1965. True high fidelity at a very low price!
Attention!
I have erroneously indicated the dial below the tonearm as VTA and it is in fact anti-skating regulation. While the dial on the side of the tonearm is not for anti-skating but it is used to fine tune the stylus tracking force. Excuse me for the mixup.
#dualturntables #vinylcommunity #vintageaudio - Hudba
Attention!
I have erroneously indicated the dial below the tonearm as VTA and it is in fact anti-skating regulation. While the dial on the side of the tonearm is not for anti-skating but it is used to fine tune the stylus tracking force. Excuse me for the mixup.
Hey I was hoping to get some help with something, I have a nak 700 that is in need of repairs and I cannot find anyone in my area at least that wants to repair the machine
Do you know anyone that works on Nakamichi equipment?
Tough question, where do you live?
@@anadialog in northern California
Well, you do have a famous repairer in the State, Willy Hermann: www.willyhermannservices.com/whss_003.htm
@@anadialog isnt he down in LA? I think I tried to contact him and he said that the 700 and 1000 are very hard to find parts for and wasn't sure he could fix it
Got a 1009, a 1010, a 1218, a 1225, a 1226, a 1228, a 1229, a 601 and a 701. Every has its own charme !
And most of them had been pretty cheap (from 10 Euros to 150 Euros), because they are so underrated and I've often bought them as "not working". Hahaha... after five minutes at home, they were turning again. The are easy to fix, because they are mostly mechanical. A little WD-40 here, a little grease or oil there and they are ready for the next 40 years.
I love Dual ! (Do-all) 😜
@juergenstange6844 I have a entry level Dual 80's turntable the Dual CS616Q. I have a question: the entry level Dual turntable have good renom for the quality of there audio?
I love Dual's turntables. My grandfather's first job out of a technical highschool was servicing Dual turntables from their distributer in Ontario. He still fixes them up from time to time for people, and has a half dozen of the nicer ones he kept from when they weren't worth as much as they were, or currently are trending.
Is he Klaus?
DUAL 1019 - Fully automatic MECHANICAL wonder of musical reproduction engineering. Service it properly (not very often at all) and it will give hours and hours of listening pleasure for generations to come. I picked a poorly serviced 1019 for cheap and serviced it myself with the service manual and community on vinyl engine... and it is just amazing! I run mine with an Ortofon OM10, through a Sonab P4000, and Sonab OA-6 type 2, and it sounds fantastic. The word others have used is "a pleasure" to listen, and I agree 100%. To me that is the most important thing... the pleasure of listening to music. A few words of advice to those who might just be getting into this, I agree that the Dual 1019 is probably the most sought after of the DUALs, but in reality there is a long list of models from DUAL, as well as from many of the competitors from this era (60s and 70s), which sound fantastic when used with "normal" gear. Remember to budget for a good stylus, maybe a cartridge, as well as the correct lubricants (don't just take whatever you have in the shed) and some basic tools (borrow measurement tools (protractors, scales etc) if you can, you will seldom use them), maybe even som Novus plastic polish for the lids. All this "stuff" will probably cost more than the players themselves. Just my new stylus cost more than my player for example. But when you have put in the work to bring them back, they become like an extension of yourself. If you are hooking up to a new amp, you will probably need a good RIAA phone preamp. If your amp has a phono preamp, then you probably need to buy a good DAC for your digital reproduction chain. Remember, if it sounds good to you, that is all that matters! There is too much snake oil around, so trust your own ears.
Thanks for your suggestions and for sharing your experience!
I own the Dual 1219, it sounds amazing with my Pioneer SX 1250. Alsoo refurbished the wood cabinet and it's a piece of art!
I have a Dual 1209. Bought in 1967 and still sounds great. Had it serviced only once in all that time. The old Dual turntables are well made and awesome.
I have several Duals, including a 1019 that I got at a thrift shop for $2.92 plus tax.
After servicing it, everything functioned correctly.
I recommend that all owners of automatic 'tables either know how to work on them (as I do)
or become familiar with a local expert who can.
I have several Duals, both idler and band types. Of the idlers, the one I prefer is the 1219 and of the belt ones, the 505-2 with an ortofon 520 (MI) capsule and the 505-4 with an ortofon OM super 40 (MM). Each one has its charm but I like them all, I repaired them myself, it's not difficult at all. thanks for the video.
That's a great turntable. If you love it then you will really love the Dual 1229. I've been using mine since I bought it new in the mid '70s. The 12" platter alone weighs 7 pounds, and the unit has a built in strobe for pitch control. Dual just makes killer products. Great review!
wallace49...I still have my Dual 1229 Q that I bought in the early 70's. I put a Shure M91ED cartridge on it and the sound was super clear and warm. A few years later I replaced the M91Ed with a Shure M95ED ( I think that's what it was...many years ago..!! ), and it didn't sound near as warm and nice as the 91ED did. All of the rest of my component stuff is gone but I kept the turntable.
A very nice turntable! I love Dual turntables, i've got five of them; a 1009, two 1019, 1219 and a 701. The 1019 was my first Dual and it's a tank! Sounds really great when in good working order, if you can find one give it a spin, you'll be amazed!
@Jayo Delaware yeah I know... but I'm half way there!🙂
I have a Dual 1219, which has the same mode of operation, and I must say that listening to music with it is a real pleasure.
Another nice video, keep 'em coming.
When world ends I will be taking one 1019 to Mars.....
🤣🤣🤣
I agree ,I have been using a 1229q with a shure v15 type3 for years.Sounds and performs as good or better than my thorens td160 ,technics 1200,and my music hall mmf5.I love the engineering can't imagine what it would cost today considering the price of todays simple belt drives.
Hi all. Thanks to this channel, I now have a Dual 1019 in beautiful condition and working great. I bought it from a person in the Canary Islands and had it shipped to me. Once it got here took it to a fantastic tech that lives near me, Gilberto in La Linea de la Concepción (if anyone wants his number I will gladly give it to you) for a service and adjustments. I have fitted it the Dual 1019 with a Nagaoka MP 110 cartridge, changed the lead cables to the audio technica ones ALSO suggested by this channel and interestingly, changed the RCA cable connection to two quality microphone cables. I have two separate cables which he fitted by soldering etc.
Cool! And the results?!
@@anadialog well it's taken pride of place in my listening area as they call it and I've retired my modern Rega turntable. Any thoughts on using microphone cable instead of RCA cables coming off a turntable? The Rega gave me terrible electrical noise and the Dual is in comparison silent so I am.very happy indeed. The Nagaoka needle certainly needs running in. I have it connected to a late 60s Leak Stereo 70 which is serviced as well.....and Leak mini sandwich speakers......all vintage as they say but I was born in 1966 so this is all of my lifetime Haha greetings from Gibilterra.
Well it seems you put up a great setup, mic cables are great, no problem!
@@anadialog Is there any reason why I haven't heard of this before....mic cables instead of RCA cables on turntables??? or is this normal? BTW thanks for a great informative and fun channel
They are always interconnects. Mic cables are usually balanced with great shielding. Nothing special.
My first table in 1971 with a Pickering XV 750. Paired with a Fisher 500TX receiver and a pair of Dynaco A-25 speakers.
These were highly prized even when superseded by the later models. I was a tech at an authorized Dual repair shop and those who owned the 1009s and 1019s, brought them to us for servicing which, usually, consisted of cleaning and lubricating the moving parts as well as replacing the idler wheel which is a wear item. These owners all shared a common trait: none complained about the cost of the service, which wasn’t cheap. This was back in the early 1970s when hi-fi was becoming a young person’s game and rock music displaced classical as the number one music of choice of audiophiles. These are quality turntables. I have owned several Dual models starting with a 1218 that I acquired with a broken tonearm tube (which I replaced). My son owns my last Dual, a belt-drive 507.
Nice! Thanks for sharing that 😀
Wow! It reminds me of my father’s turntable, a beautiful Garrard record changer from the late 60’s, which I used profusely until the 90's. Fully automatic, 10-inch platter.
I remember playing with these in college, my friend! I love and share your enthusiasm for this vintage equipment. My personal choice in this period was a Phillips 212 with the touch sensor buttons. Keep up the wonderful work, BELLA!
The Philips 212 is very nice.
@@hugobloemers4425 Thanks Hugo! I really enjoyed it it was the ultimate modern technology at the time if not very highest sonic excellence.
My refurbished 212 still delights me. Wish I could eliminate the hum at high volume though.
I was stationed in Okinawa in 68-69 and had a Dual turntable, loved it. Also a Sansui 3000 integrated amp and Akai 150 reel to reel. All amazing inexpensive at the USAF base exchange.
Thanks for your channel and sage advice !
How cool...thanks for sharing that!
Brings up fond memories Guido!!! My dual was entry level in '76, just had to balance tone arm using the weight and no ground wire, just connect to my entry level Sony receiver's phono input & we're off to the races. Cartridge, no clue 'cept dual badge on it. Sound was, in the age of vinyl, great! Fully auto but no suspension on my model. Yeah it came w/cute little silver speed checker. I, at the time didn't give a hoot about specs, just sounded like what vinyl sounded like back then. Oh, came w/attachable spindle so one could (gasp!) stack 33's???
Cool Fred!
$200 is a give away for a working 1019! I see them for $350 plus and the only one I found for $200 or less was a parts machine for $117. I own one and it can't be beat. I wouldn't sell it for less than $350 if it was for sale. My grandpa handed me down a complete Sansui system Model 2000 amp with SP 200 speakers and the Dual 1019. I cleaned everything and it works like a charm and sounds amazing! The quality and workmanship that went into the 1019 make it one of the best of all time. If you can buy a working unit for $200 you just committed a robbery! lol
Nice review, thanks!
We always had Dual turntables in our family,cause we're living just 20 minutes away from the city "St. Georgen" which has been Dual"s headquarter 'til the end.
Still have the Dual 741 here for playing...
It's a real pleasure to listen music in dual....🙏
I love Dual turntables and two of my collection of ten are CS-505s, one mkI and one mkIII. Great-sounding turntables, and super reliable too!
When I was growing up, playing Zep, Frampton's camel, Winter, Blues bands, and the list goes on. Everyone I know, had a Dual
Great video Thanx for presenting sir, just found you by chance, anyhow I've recently come across that exact Dual, I've generally shy away from them for all the maintenance. However this was a friend of mine who recently took the unit in at his store from the original owner who bought it brand new in 1967, with a custom rock solid plinth, original paperwork and the box/ packaging and even two extra cartridge "Sleds" I took it home for several days and I was won overand quite wowed it's been well taking care , had a few issues speed consistency and motor which are being addressed. Even then I was still quite impressed and I am thinking of getting just because of that the fact it came from the original owner. I just don't know if I'm up for the maintenance but the sound and performance sure seems to make it worthy
Hello this beautiful turntable you have from Dual 1019 I have exactly the same turntable which I had professionally cleaned and can tell you that one doesn’t need to purchase an expensive turntable to achieve great quality sound, this unit delivers
Great video, and I love these old duals. I own a few of them myself, with all kinds of drives. . A 1218 ( idler) a 601( belt) and a 622 ( direct). But my best turntable is a telefunken w 250 acusta. Of course idler driven, with a 3kg platter, and paired with an m20E cartridge. The look and the sound is gorgeous!
Thanks for the vid, man! I’m going to get mine with an Marantz 2220 Receiver. Just waiting for lockdown finish.
Thanks for celebrating this 1019's! I own one and like it very much. On a visual point I think the headshell is to bulky and not refined(visually). But the sound is wonderful!
Thank you for this video. It confirms I made the right decision some months ago by purchasing this turntable. It came with a Stanton cartridge, not very good. After replacing it with a Nagaoka MP110 and upgraded power and rca cables, it comes pretty close to High End audio.
Dual 1019 The Ultimate stacking turntable hands down. If you run into Dual speakers - super rare outside Europe, grab 'em!
Thanks Guido, I did not expect to have a review of my dear 1019 after the 10 000 $ pair of speakers you got :) Mine is a heritage, which came from my wife's grandfather with a M75 cartridge, barely used. One time I brought it to the local hifi-store and the people who came in were all charmed by the sound. It has a sound different from the modern TTs, not better, just different, as you point it out. Keep up the great reviews!
Cool! Thanks man!
This lawrence from so cal, I want to say thank you for your spot on video l think there's a lot of quality in less price units. I'm not too concerned the best components just overall sound and quality and after watching this I will definitely consider this model thanks again anadialog
Thank you Lawrence!
I picked up a Dual 1019 with a Shure M44MG cartridge for $100 that wasn’t working. I spent a few hours cleaning old grease off and replacing it with new lithium grease as well as dismantling and lubricating the motor. Unfortunately the previous owner had butchered the mechanism so I cannot get full auto functionality but I am happy it’s at least working manually.
I too was surprised at how good it sounded as it was very close to my modified Goldring Lenco GL75 and certainly better than my Denon DP-55 K with Grace arm and Clear Audio MM cartridge. It’s definitely a Star TT and a keeper for the collection.
Nice! Thanks for sharing!
My father bought in the sixties a Dual 1009, Dual CV12 and AR6 Loudspeakers. The 1009 had no anti skating and a beautiful wood and plexiglass cover. When I was in high school in the late '70 it became my first Hi-Fi setup. The AR6 were a little underpowered, but I still remember the beautiful and smooth sound. I could listen to hours and hours of music without any listening fatigue. The sound was not super detailed, but absolutely "euphonic" with a correct and deep stereo landscape, all the instruments present with the correct size (obviously with recordings without overmixing end unrealistic compression - i.e. I love the Bill Evans Riverside records). One day, after 30 years of continuous service, it started to show some mechanical problems. Something more severe than what and ordinary maintenance could fix. Now it rests in my attic. You gave me the desire to try to repair it. Thank you.
Please do it, the feeling you get when you get it back spinning again is amazing. It’s addicting
I recently was given a 1009 model. The replacement idler will be here soon. The Magnavox consoles that are in my collection have foam pieces inserted into the mounting springs to help absorb any shock. I was wondering about the dual and if that would be helpful?
I recently got an ELAC Miracord H2 turntable and I love it. I imagine it has a similar sound to your Dual. It has really bought my vinyl collection to life. Several LPs that I thought were duds, actually sound really great. I think the idler drive and pitch control allow for a more accurate reading. I really enjoyed your video, it would be great to see you review more vintage gear as I'm sure there is a big audience for it.
Thanks Joseph!
Thank you for your great vidéos.
I have the 701, 1209,1229 great sound Indeed 👍🏼. Dual had also interesting accessoires, plinths, and dust covers models.
Grtgs From de the NL😉
Can you suggest maintenance tips for the 1019? I've had mine for about 10 years and I'd like to give it a tune up myself if possible. Thank you for the great video 👍
My first turntable was a dual their entry model at the time cant remember the model no, it was 1980.
5 yrs later i purchased a linn LP 12 (3 spring suspension but belt drive) still using it nowadays, love the channel btw.
I encouraged a handful of people to buy entry level Dual turntables in the first 5 years of the 1980s and they were all very glad with them. They were silver plastic if I remember correctly, but they were really well designed and sounded really great, especially for the price which I believe was under $200 at the time. I was really sad to hear Steve Guttenberg say he thought Dual turntables were only so-so, but I suppose it's all a matter of perspective.
First new turntable I ever bought was a Dual 506. Still have it but I modified it for better sound. I also got a Linn LP12 used but can't afford to upgrade it to the quality I would like.
@@andershammer9307 My turntable for the last 35 years has been a Dual 701. I love it! I just got a Technics SL1200 (it's a long story) and that is also really excellent, but there are things about it that I don't like as well as I like the Dual.
@@AndyBHome The turntable I've been using for around 40 years is a Dual 731Q with lots of mods.
@@AndyBHome He might change his tune now as Dual are pushing their products at the moment . I bought a Dual turntable in 1969 and passed it on to a nephew in the 80s . It was a fine tool . I can not vouch for contemporary quality .
I owned a Dual 1228 some years ago. I bought it at an estate sale for cheap. It had an empire cartridge on it and after I did a full restore on it it was amazing. I still regret selling it. Great video
Empire cartridges + Dual idler drive tables = instant sonic bliss.
@@terrywho22 you are correct
I have several record players and styles of them. From just the player itself to the all in one table top to even the console. 7 or 8 of them and they keep coming home with me.
Great little turntable, I ditched all other Duals. I don't even use the 1019, ever, but I just respect it.
It's dead reliable (way more than any Dual after) and just sounds great.
Great video looking on eBay right now for a good refurbished one I currently use a Philips 212 GA from the early 70s a little similar to the dual it has a sled for the cartridge and a spring suspension very happy with it for now.
I just bought one today to use as my 78 turntable. Tomorrow I'll bring it to my local tech for a stylus and cleaning.
Nice!!
Hi good guy, I am a Dual person . I have 3 Dual idlers. 1019, 1219, and 1229 . I have Sandboxes under them. Grace F-9 Ruby cartridges are the best mm now a days. Thanks so much
Cool! Which one do you prefer?
The 1229 first 1019second and 1219 third finding cartridge holder for 1019 are very hard to find Best of luck in these hard confusing times
Cool, thanks! Stay safe!
I’m impressed with my Dual 1019. Bought it for $75.00 at auction. Came with a Shure V15 lll , with a VN35E stylus. Record continues to rotate 14 times after automatic shut off. Thanks for your review.
I have just renovated an old Dual 1218 and it turns for more than two minutes after shutting it off, what makes around 70 turns. Lubricate both your spindle with a special oil for turntables and the motor with a special grease for turntables and you will be surprised how good this mechanics is.
I almost bought one after this, but decided on the Elac Miracord 50H from 1971 instead. And I am delighted with it; a beauty and a beast in one.
BRAVO!!! I love vintage!
Hi my 1019 after finishing the record the tone arm goes back but not going to rest, and then goes back to re start playing again. Any suggestions? Thanks.
My brother is keeping our Dad's Dual 1010, he sent it to Canada to get it rebuild and you may say many things about the rumble, but it is a very nice piece of jewelry
Help!
My 1019 has slow sleep and I have lubed it. It all looks great and all works except the speed. I already tried to adjust the spindle height but I can’t anymore or else it hits the platter. Please help.
Love the Doo_AHLS as I've been admonished by my german friends to say- I have a 1019 also. Get yourself the stacker for fun to watch it play 5 LPs in a row. There's also one for 45's. A word of warning regards the head shell- if the one you have is working and no channel dropouts or hum treat it like a donated kidney. Those sprung contacts are notoriously bad, they break, and trying to bend them to make better contact can end in tears. Not the best design to say the least. I have an aftermarket 3D printed one which sort of works because my original is not reliable. But like all removable headshells the idea was if you have 78's you can mount a mono cartridge like a Stanton, or you can also get replacement stylii to go in the Shure carts to play 78's. I put a Shure M97ex in mine which seems to be working fine. Love my Dual!
I have this turntable and bought a refurbished umbrella spindle, new headshell, and a large hole 45 adaptor to drop singles. It was taken to Classic Audio Repair for a cleaning, lube and adjustment. This turntable was not cheap on ebay. The accessories were expensive as well. Since first getting everything in order I've had no issues. I have a large collection of 45 singles and being able to stack them is so convenient it was one of the main reasons I purchased this model. I have a separate cartridge for the 78 rpm records and when the copy is in great condition they sound really good. I bought Switchfoot vinyl album and was shocked at how much bass was produced. I had a Garrard Zero 100 when I was a teenager but this one is better!
Nice! Thanks for sharing that!
Nice video. The 1019 is a classic and sold by the truckload, but the 1229 is definitely the pinnacle of Dual idler drive design. The platter weighs about the same as the 1019, but because of its larger size, the platter has much more inertia than the 1019.
It's a tough battle and people are divided, in the end they are 2 excellent idler turntables
Excellent video thank you for sharing. I am been into music and hi-fi since the 1970’s and have heard the term idler before but didn’t know what it meant so thanks for the insight. I have a Dual 505-3 that I use for my used and worn records keeping my better turntables for my better condition records. I can highly recommend it, mine is almost mint and only cost me £130 so I would say it was an absolute bargain.
Nice!
I have a 1015, a 1229 and a DD 701 and lust after a 1019....I use Shure V15III and Shure M75EJ carts and they all sound so cool, vintage and analogue. Dual are a joy to use and listen to. I also have a Technics 1210, a Thorens TD 160 and a Linn Sondek LP12 but the Duals are the ones I listen to mostly. My main turntable is a replinthed and souped up Lenco GL75 idler. I love the sound of an idler and agree that belt drives are over rated.
I have this table it is wonderful, New Plinth and cleaning works and sounds great.
Fantastic dude. Beautiful this Dual. I recently bought a record player. An old Denon DP-37F and I am happy with it. Previously had. I also love the Dual. I keep this Denon dp-37f and inside I buy another one ... Don't know which one yet.
✌😘👍👌😉🥳
Long live vintage!
The 1019 was Dual's most solidly built turntable they ever made. The casting, main bearing and machining all to a very high standard. The idler drive is surprisingly quiet and steady in speed. Even the highish mass arm has ultra smooth bearings and non-resonant arm tube. The result is a subjectively great sounding turntable that put's to shame newer Duals and many costly tables made today. My only issue (common to Duals) is the slide in cartridge sled that compromises rigidity and electric contact as it ages.
I have Dual CS 620 Q with Ortofan 165 E. I guess that Ortofan is still orginal and at least repair man said to me it was in good condition. What you think about that record player and should you do video also about that?
mr. Finglish (Bäd English Recs)
German audio always sounds rich compared to others, I have a PE turntable being serviced, it to is an idler drive and PE was bought out by Dual I believe. My PE is wickedly complex underneath, how anyone can fathom how it works mystifies me and it weighs two tons (only a slight exaggeration). I can't wait to get it back as I have not heard it perform yet, unfortunately spare parts might be a problem. My tip: keep your stylus clean always.
Dual 1019 is seen as the best and highest possible development regarding to turntables. Even Dual-Engineers stated, that something better than the Dual 1019 cannot be constructed because they pushed it to it´s absolute limits.
I touched that with hand!
The 1229 is one of the greatest units ever made! The best thing is that they mute when in the automatic cycle! Peace.
I'd like to know what you think about a Gerard lab 95b had two of them for over 50 years and only had the place one of The Idler pulleys that drives the turntable thank you
Thanks for the video! It is pleasure to see Duals reviewed! I have a collection of several recordplayers, and there are few Duals among them - 701, 1229 and 704. I have to say 701 with its factory installed MM Shure V15 is my favourite of all my turntables. I actually prefer that to more expensive Denon turntable with various far more expensive Denon MC cartridges. My 1229 is still to be serviced, but that was also an attempt to discover a good vintage idler player without investing an arm and a leg in a Garrard 401..I belive your 1019 can impress you even more with a cartidge upgrage to some old good high complience Shure V15, ADC XLM or an Empire 4000..I think then you may ask yourself why you still need your Technics)).
Indeed, thanks!
The Dual 1229 is the better TT (One day I will buy one) but the 1019 has this X factor the 1229 doe not have and is arguably more engaging.
I Agreed with you as I have similar experience when I get Garrard model 3500 few months ago ,I was wondering how it produce better sounds than Technics SL 1200mk3 turntable. Even with best cartridge attached to SL 1200 .
I bought a broken Dual 1215 in the early 70s. I had to replace the tone arm tube. That turntable replaced a crappy BSR 810 I had. One of the coolest things about Duals in those days was that the cue control was near the front and if the cue was lifted and you hit start the mechanical design would automatically disable the cuing. No walking back to the turntable to lower the arm.
The 1219 was the last good Dual.
Thank you. I am not embarrassed anymore by the antique 1019 I use and love. Coupled with my pioneer sx 3700 and $10 flea market cambridge audio speakers I have a great sounding system for $500. There is a warmth to the sound that is missing from my newer denon and Yamaha. Old is still good.
Good job!
It's amazing how much less high-tech modern turntables are, you don't really get many auto mechanisms and floaty suspension systems. An example is my Project RPM 5 vs my dads B&O Beogram 1202 (a truly outstanding vintage turntable).I have an Audio-Technica at33ptgii on the Pro-ject and I'd say both decks are on the same level (albeit completely different) in terms of sound. Oh, and I love fully automatic turntables I don't get all the hate against them, when done properly like the Dual or B&O they're incredible.
Hello to Morgan Wright todays TT are not like they used to be no suspension at all yet they charge an arm leg and a few fingers for a MANUAL TT!! I have a Pro-ject Debut 3 TT and a audio tech ATLP -120 they are OK but I do have a Dual 1225 I just repaired it is way better built and sounding ,these audiophiles I WAS ONCE ONE OF THEM!!! complain about the stacking type of record players cause they scratch lp's but I am testing this out so far I used old lp's and no scratches yet plus albums have a raised outer lpi and raised label the rest of lp surface do not touch or barely at all to scratch the record just as you would remove lp from a single player carefully you can do the same with the stacker type just take your time and carefully seperate lp's flip them and WALA still testing so far so good so therte you have automatics are just as good but the vintage ones were better JRo
@@jro7075 The problem is small companies like Pro-Jeci & Rega et al just don’t have the R&D budgets and resources to develop TTS with high tech features. Technics is the exception because they have the might of Panasonic behind them, the development cost of the 1200G would’ve been enormous, the majority of Hi-Fi manufacturers just can’t afford that.
@@doctormac123 Hello to Morgan again you might be correct but if you think about it the comp that makes the Pro-Ject TT they have other models that are WAY over priced some running from 600 to over 1000 dollars if you look how simple these are made you got think where is all this money going to I just recently saw a vid on a new Dual cs-440 automatic tt now from what I saw the person reviewing TT showed parts of it and under the platter you could see the automatic mechanics and what I swa was mostly metal heavy duty looking system this unit runs for around 800 dollars but it has the Dual tone arm a thick base a heavy platter it looked real good you use it as a manual or auto for that money I would get it ,all this time I thought Dual was out of buisness ,and on technics TT they charge over 1000 dollars for there TT yes it is well built and I am sure just as heavy as my audio technica ATLP-120 TT which I am not crazy for anymore ,and like you said technics has the back up of Pannasonic but they made the same model in my time but it was an automatic more or less but the newer model is over 1200 dollars and these newer TT,s that are way over priced if you look at the specs they do not campare to the older models I still have a Onkyo CP-1055FII fully automatic from 1985 it cost about 300 .00$ it had a two motor system one for tone arm and direct drive quartz the wow and flutter is at .012 the ATLP-120 is at .125 if I remember and A lot of theses other high priced TT,s the Debut-3 is at .120 and signal to noise ratio some are lower than 70 db the higher it is the better the CP-1055 FII was at 76 db in the 70's that was what you wanted in the TT specs they worked hard at keeping that but theses new TT's made by I am sure well meaning comp do not and I believe are hoping we forgot how TT's werte better made in the 70's I applogize for this very long rant I just like people to know that you can't be brainwashed into thinking cause it costs a lot it is better I was brainwashed in my day thinking audiophiles telling me what was good or not we have to think for ourselves and question what we are told so who knows I may be totally wrong or CRAZY but have a great and safe day JRo
If people go for old Dual's, they have to make sure to get a model with the 4 pole motor. Avoid the models with 2 pole motors, because they magnetically charge the metal plinth, which results in hum impossible to get rid off. Had a 1225 and tried everything possible. Nothing could be done about it. I have been wanting a 1019 for a long time. Looking forward to the day I succeed finding one. They are absolutely awesome. I congratulate you with yours. Hang on to it.
Best wishes from Denmark.
I found one for 15 € and discoverd it had a V15 III installed ..........got a smile on my face .......
Nice video, thanks for posting. I have a Dual 701 (Direct drive fully automatic with 12" platter) and Dual CS 5000 (Belt drive semi-auto). Both have Shure V15's. Both amazing tables and I cannot justify purchasing a Fluence, NAD, Music Hall, or McIntosh for what the Dual gives me in terms of incredible playing enjoyment. I have had them for well over 35 years. If you get a chance review the 701....I had heard it is the most sought after Dual turntable but I am not sure.
Yes, it's belt driven, another excellent product from them!
@@anadialog The 701 is direct drive... unless you are referring to another table?
Hi- I know nothing about these idler turntables- does it use a MC/MM cartridge? Does it need a phono preamplifier? Thank you.
Hi there, the type of cartridge is a matter tied to the phono preamp never to the turntable itself. Yes, it needs an external phono preamp.
I remember as a kid, my grandfather had a similar Dual record player. Don't know what happened to it after he died.
I have a Dual CS520 in the attic collecting dust. The belt will probably vaporise when I touch it. But I used it a lot back in the days.
I have a Dual 1228, although I don´t like 10" platters, I bought it. OMG! Sounds amazing with a simple Shure M70B, a cartridge that I always hate because it has an undefined tone, at least with an S shaped tonearm. Not at all, with this turntable this cartridge sounds wonderfull, with very beautiful round basses and nice trebles. But you have to keep welll lubricated all the parts and place the turntable were do not heat to much because the rubber part suffers a lot and rumble inmediately appears.
I had and used one of those many years ago. I upgraded to anther Dual model. The CS 721, direct drive with a Shure V15 Type III.
I have a Dual CS 721 that I bought new in 1978 and is still in my system. I've recently added a Dynavector 10X5 MKII cartridge, so I think it's still an awesome turntable. The only thing I've replaced on it is the strobe and I replaced that with an LED version.
OMG I love my Dual 721, too! Not only great sounding, but probably the most handsome table I’ve encountered. Mine came with an Ortofon OM40 which has a Shibata stylus (amazingly is still available from Ortofon 😮). The caps on the control board should be replaced, though, if no other reason, because of age.
I'm a german Owner of this player, i bought it last Week in Near Mint Condition in German Ebay-Kleinanzeigen, for 70 Euro,like 65 Dollar with a great playing Shure System. Since this time i never know how good and Cult this Player is, i bought it only, because it is in the same Time born as myself, 1965. Itis really a great player with many Charme in the Noise. Great Video, thank you
Tom from Germany
Thank YOU and congrats for your purchase!
My Technics SL1700Mk2 was stolen and many tears were shed. I started hunting and bought a fully restored and in mint condition Garrard 301 with an SME 3009 arm (non modified ... very nice). I was never really happy with it and carried on with a search for a replacement of my beloved Technics. I ended up with a Marantz 6320 with an SME 3009 (modified) tonearm. I put a Goldring cartridge into it and am now satisfied I have finally found my replacement, I love it. I am not into a belt drive because of replacement worries in the future (will belts still be available in 20 years time) Direct drive to me is the ultimate, just switch it on and play your LP's for years to come.
Nice to see this video and how amazing the quality of this turntable is.
After the passing of my dad I found this same model in the attick.
The device has been standing there for several decades and I'm wondering if it is expensive to restore it ??
A little bit. Probably around 200/300$/€
There's a damn good reason why vintage Dual turntables are still selling, and why there are people who do nothing but refurbish them.
Indeed!
Here in Turkey, Dual has its own legacy!
Hi. What cartridge are you using in the review of the 1019? Kindly recommend an MC and MM cartridge in the $100 -$300 bracket. I have a 1019 as well and loving it. Thanks for the review.
I was using an Acos M6 (came with it). Grado black or gold seems to be the beat choice for this turntable!
I use Nag 200 (can’t spell it with out looking) crisp and gut punch if it’s there. SRV shakes the walls, Ozzie howls at the Moon!
Great review, I use a 1970 vintage 1218 and the “Prince” Dual 701, direct drive play Nag 200 into 5.1 Klipsch, a man needs a back up. BilloffixMyDual if there are problems.
Hi, my grandpa used to own this turntable, it is a Dual 1019 and when he passed away he gave it to me. The problem is that the stylus got lost, and the cartridge is damaged do you have any recommendation for one? Maybe also a cartridge as well. I do not know a lot about turntables, but I wish I could play his old music. Thank you!
Cool! You need a high compliance cartridges. How about a Grado black?!
Shure M44 (now made by Jico). Now in producion for ALMOST SIXTY YEARS !! It comes with a conical cartridge, get an elliptical, many places have 3x7 elliptical cartridges for M44; just buy an M55 stylus, the original M55e == V15 Type-I 2x7 cartridge!! The M44/M55 was a best-seller just like Dual 1019's back in the day !!! With a modern 3x7 elliptical it can track down to 0.75 grams of tracking force for < $100 (used cartridge new stylus) !! It will crush most sub-$200 entry-level cartridges ...
I got the 1249 from 1975. Different time, different style, but the same awesome quality and mechanics. For me one of the most handsome Dual ever build. They tried to put in everything they had to offer. Currently using a Audio Technica VM740ML with it and it sounds f*** fantastic. Sadly no real VTA - just single- and multimode switch.
I have a 1015 and a 1209. Picked them both up for a song. They are a bit fiddly to keep running smoothly but boy do they look and sound good. Huge value for the $$!
Bravo Paul!
Thanks for the video, Just picked one up needs cleaning and lube, found a great site in Canada that gives excellent info, He was a service tech for Dual in the day.
Bravo!
One was recently gifted to me. Definitely the next piece of gear I’m having restored.
Thanks for this video. Honestly this turntable reminds me of something that used to be in the big wooden consoles that people had in the 60's and 70's. My parents had one of those but was more molded plastic to look like wood. That's where I first listened to Pink Floyd momentary lapse of reason and Iron Maiden's Somewhere in Time.
How many different carts do you have in your arsenal? And of these what is your choice for rock genre of music such as pink floyd to say hard rock van halen etc. The reason I ask is you are the expert and I'm just really starting to try different cartridges and have never bought a brand new cart. I'm wanting to purchase one in price range of 200 to 300 that has good low frequency (punch)warm but detailed mid to high frequency.
I have in my collection Shure v15-typeIII,
Grado prestige red, ortofon vms20e mkii.
I have high end gear with both mm and mc settings available. So far I seem to like the Grado sound but they seem to cause a bit of hum from my pioneer pl-90. I feel the Shure V15-TYPEIII is a bit to bright for my liking and have read Grado is known for the warm sound. Any advise you have from experience would love to hear.
Grado cartridges are unshielded and are infamous for picking up hum from the turntable motor and/or the turntables' internal power supply, especially if the turntable has an AC motor (vintage Dual tables invariably have a big honking AC motor). You can also end up with turntable/ cartridge mismatches where the hum gets worse as the record plays because the cartridge inches closer to the motor location, or where the hum is more pronounced at the beginning of the record or when the arm is in the arm rest because the power supply circuitry is often located near the right front corner of the turntable.
A turntable with a DC motor would likely be a better match for a Grade cartridge; or a turntable with a small, low-voltage AC motor that generates a minimal hum field and runs from a separate "wall wart" transformer (typically 16 to 24 volts AC) at the wall-socket end. This description includes some Thorens turntables, but Thorens arms and tables often have poorly designed internal grounding and can pose hum issues. Even direct-drive turntables have the motor coil directly underneath the platter and can radiate hum. I don't remember the PL-90, but Pioneer turntables aren't generally known for causing hum; however, if the if the PL90's metal parts are internally connected to the audio-cable shield ground, that alone will often cause hum in many cartridges, and likely even worse with an unshielded Grado. (A good tech could separate the audio grounds from the metal-parts bonding-grounds, that might be helpful). Anyway, I'd try other cartridges if I was you.....
Mitico! Abbiamo comprato ieri un Dual 1019 qui in Germania ed è davvero stupefacente. Abbiamo una cartridge Shure M44E NOS e un pre-amp DUAL TVV 46 integrato.
Grazie mille per il video, è stato davvero un buon consiglio, continueremo a seguirti.
Grazie per il feedback!
she's a beauty, one of the very best autos and congrats I've been through a few idlers and understand and am tickled by your enthusiasm tthere's too much too say about them but mainly------>your point on a giving the platter a helping swirl berfore engaging is actually the best advice concerning super-heavyweight platters regardless of the motor wattage--------->as in the TD-124's 10lb+ platter's specially designed motor benefiting many, manyfold via extended service duration---(-- >these motor''s are spelled $pecially designed) fully enjoy our new found blast from the past my friend!
Got the 704 last week. Shure 15 lll original with it for 75 euro. Needs some work on the elco's but not much more than that. Amazing sound.
and i got a 1019 two days ago...whooop
I think you should point out that this turntable tracks down to 0.5 grams. It's a great matchup for Shure M44, M55, and V15 cartridges, which can also track down to 0.75 grams, given the right stylus. I like the 1019 because it literally DOES EVERYTHING and was a best-seller for its time (1965-1970) !! It has no strobe (those came later) but once you adjust the speed it runs perfectly and no hum!
Thanks for sharing that!
Great demo of the Dual technology and features. I had forgotten about some of the features like the sled for the cartridge mount and how that sled locks onto the headshell using the cueing finger lift. I'm new to your site and looks great! I was wondering if you've ever seen or tried an AR XA turntable? The one I had was $89 (with a Shure M91ED mounted!) in 1973 and it sounded really, really good. Fully manual not even a cueing device. It also came with a small tracking force scale that had little tiny plastic weights like coins you'd use for different tracking forces. It was a well thought out turntable. Try one for fun....
Acoustic Research! Great stuff of that same period more or less, fantastic! No I haven't had the direct pleasure...thanks for sharing that!
I have one and it sounds ok.
I restored the idler wheel Lenco L75 turntable in March and I'm very impressed with the sound. I have cleaned and lubricated every inch of it but it was worth it.
I have a Lenco L78. What cartridge do you use, or stylus, with me it is just a M100 but I wonder if I can do better. Thanks for the info in advance.
Lenco is another king of idler turntables!
@@koenraaddm2582 I fitted a Shure M44-7, it sounds great.
@@retrogameruk going to check that out. 👍🏻
I own several Dual turntables, not the 1019. I have a 1229 with a 7 lb. 12" inch platter Love this thing. The others not as heavy but, still love the sound from all of them. I track them at 3/4 - 2 grams depending on the cartridge. Main unit has a Grado Silver. Yes, all tables were professionally serviced. Two of the tables were originally mine and my dads, so I know they last and good on the records
Do we have to take care of any screw or unscrew while transporting them or taking from one place to the other. Any specific screws we need to take care of. Looking forward for your suggestion.
Unscrew the main screws slightly, press the platter down until it is fixed down and then turn the screws counter-clockwise. Fix the platter with its plastic accessories or just some cardboard or foam to stop rotation. That is the way to transport it.
@@anadialog thank you I was able to do it, got a really excellent condition Dual 1019 now. Thank you
Cool! Give us some feedback after some spins!
@@anadialog it’s amazing, I guess a phono amp will make a difference. It’s unique sound for sure. I have my other other table which is a Funk Firm and well it’s different sound. The build of this table is great. Love the look
@@anadialog here is a quick link of the video I took on phone
czcams.com/video/sejRXJYIUYU/video.html
I know it's nothing like this model, but I've been using a Dual 701 for almost 40 years and it's been absolutely incredible. Sadly it did just suffer a failure that caused me to finally go get a Technics SL-1200 GR, which I had decided would be the replacement (some variant of the SL-1200) for the Dual if it ever did fail. I love the Technics DJ model, but the straight, low mass tonearm on the Dual is to my ear better in some ways. I tried putting a lower end Grado cartridge on the Technics and it just doesn't sing the way it did on the Dual at all. I can see why someone with a Grado green or gold might be disappointed on a medium mass S-curve tonearm. But on the Dual with it's spring pressure tracking force and very light aluminum tonearm, I feel like I hear all of the magic that Grado fans are enamored by. I may see if I can fix the Dual. I never intended for it to be my turntable for so long, but it's a serious unit, well worth a place in any serious vinyl lover's HiFi setup.