My wife and I watch DUNE: PART TWO for the FIRST time || Movie Reaction
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timing wise the trailer for dune: prophecy came out. prequel series set 10,000 years before events of the movies.
also to add on sequels. dune: messiah is greenlit and its tne 2nd book.
Also I just want to explain something that I think is confusing to a lot of fans. And that’s the difference between the Lisan al-gaib, and the Kwisatz Haderach. The KH is the real chosen one title. That is the “chosen one” of the Bene Gesserit. The first male Bene Gesserit, who can see both past and future. (On top of that Paul has been groomed to be a political leader and warrior all his life as well). It’s the result of their centuries long breeding program. The water of life is the final thing that unlocks his power. It allows him to see past memories, and crystal clear potential futures. He is the leader that the Bene Gesserit want in power so that he can steer the Imperium in a better direction (they hope to control him as well). The Lisan al-gaib is the fable that the BG planted on Arrakis thousands of years ago (they do this on many planets). It is a made up story that BG’s can use to their benefit if they ever need to. It’s a narrative that they planted to use as a tool to manipulate the Fremen. That’s why Jessica knows exactly what the gameplan is for manipulating them into believing the prophecy.
good explanation ! definitely took me a minute to figure it out at first, had to re-watch the movie at least once more
@@iCortex1 don't lie...you just wanted to see the movie a second time. i get it, i get it
@@iCortex1 Yeah it’s one of those things that you need to pay extra attention to. They explain both in part 1, but it’s easy to forget.
I don't know why this is so complicated for so many people to understand that prophecy isn't a real thing when it's made apparent so many times throughout both films that it's all manipulation... The Bene Gesserit planted superstitious beliefs on primitive worlds based on what they knew the Kwisatz Haderach would be capable of (prescience, surviving the poison, knowing the weirding way, etc.) in order to be able to have their full servitude when their genetically designed ultimate being comes along. This was entirely meant to make the point about religion being a mean of control. Of course, Jessica threw a wrench in their plan by having a son instead of a daughter and precipitated events out of the Bene Gesserit's control. Still, in the end, Paul subjugates the Fremen to his will knowing that it's wrong to accomplish his revenge and give the Fremen victory in this one moment in time, yes, and that may seem like a fair trade... but long term, this is a great loss for them and Arrakis. The terraforming of Arrakis into a "green paradise" will have dire consequences and, with the struggle of survival removed, the Fremen culture will never be the same.
@@obviouslyPSM darn it, caught red handed hehe
I love how Hans Zimmer teased Part 3 - “Denis comes in on the second day of shooting, and wordlessly comes in and puts “Dune: Messiah” on my desk, and I know where we’re going and I know we’re not done.”
Fun fact: when Chani tells Stilgar he's insane, she says the Chakobsa phrase "Zaihaash lek", which is literally "you're drinking sand".
Chani was specifically upset about Paul leaning into the role of Messiah because she knows her people are vulnerable to that sort of rhetoric and she has expressed as much toward Paul. She is basically just afraid of her people becoming enslaved, and in that sense she lost everything to him at the end. Both her man and her people (to that man).
Bro is the lisan al gaib , ain’t nobody care about chani lol
@@vvthetalentlessduo6976 The Lisan al Gaib is a Bene Gesserit biological experiment.
Yeah, she just doesn't understand that he is literally the Messiah. Not just the Lisan Al Gaib, but also the Kwisatz Haderach and intended savior all of humanity. Just because the BG planted those stories doesn't make them untrue.
@@TheGavrael Well as far as Denis Villeneauve's DUNE movie series' go everything has a scientific explanation. Even the Bene Gesserit traits and the Spice quirks are all within a sci-fi realm of tangibility. For all we know everything that is happening has been created by design by people with great premonition abilities. People who have evolved to the year 10190+ may have significantly more powerful abilities from genetic cultivation in combination with the sandworm's excretions and its impact on the human biology.
So basically he is only the messiah because they decided to create a messiah. There is nothing holy about him.
@@TheGavraelexcept he isnt. the lisan al gaib is NOT real. there is zero plan to make arrakis green. and he is only the KH by the slimmest margin. either way Chani's people are being fucked over for no good reason. there is nothing TRULY special about paul, hes just a tool being used by those in higher power until they lose control of it. he is the first in line of multiple "KH". if anything his son is the TRUE KH
the fact that the black sun makes everything black and white outside but when they go inside in artificial light you see colors i rly like xd
18:10 "That didn't click for her earlier?"
It did, she even says earlier in the movie that she doesn't like that name because its part of a prophecy, that she prefers Chani.
it’s their first time watching so not surprised he forgot
@@Wolfhunter5607 yeah,
even most Dune novel fans I've talked to miss half of what's actually happening in this scene lol
Basically, the tears are irrelevant, Jessica could've just given Paul another drop of the water of life to snap him back to reality, but she specifically wanted Chani to add tears just to add religious impact to the moment for everyone else witnessing it.
Paul to Stilgar: Is this your card?
Stilgar: "Lisan al gaib!!!"
Paul sneezes.
Stilgar: "Lisan al gaib!!!"
Paul cooks the perfect French omelette
Stilgar: “Lisan al gaib!”
18:29 No, but that's exactly the point. You can literally see his mother use the voice to *force* Chani to accomplish an event of the prophecy. Paul literally mentioned that the poison can be negated as his own mother was trained to resist the poison. His mother literally mention he's not dead unlike what the scriptures say. While in the eyes of fundamentalists, it did confirm it.
21:48 Well yeah, that was the whole point of the movie. 'Lisan Al Gaib' was all a giant manipulation that would lead the fremen to 'paradise', aka their death.
I tried to be a bit more subtle in my comment, but I'm glad you posted this.
Culturally it leads to their death, but the paradise they wrought on the universe is massive.
@Connor8609 It leads to billions of deaths so not really a paradise but I can tell from your comment that you read the books so I know what you meant. 😀
Try and write a comment without using 'literally' unnecessarily. Challenge: Impossible.
Golden Path was needed
No magic/prophecy. It's all carefully planned and manipulated to come into place the way it does.
This movie ends where the book does though. Paul "wins" (at the cost of the person he once was), becomes Emperor and the Fremen start a holy war in his name. Dune Messiah movie has been greenlit, but the book for Messiah was written as a response to people that interpreted Paul as hero - when the author definitely did not intend for that to be the case. He's closer to Anakin (or Anakin closer to Paul I should say).
Yep, well said. If anyone's still unclear about Paul becoming a villain, in Dune Messiah *BOOK SPOILERS*
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He's talking to Stilgar about how many have died in Paul's holy war and Stilgar is hyping him up after Paul compares himself to Genghis Khan and Hitler and basically calls them amateurs and that his K:D Ratio is way better.
That's actually not correct, it's a common misconception. The events in Dune Messiah was planned by the author from the beginning.
According to Muad'Dib, conservative estimates put the Jihad's casualties at 61 billion lives, the sterilization of ninety planets, and the "demoralization" of five hundred additional worlds. Furthermore, 40 different religions were wiped out, along with their followers.
Also VERY HEAVY MESSIAH SPOILERS HERE:
I do think it’s funny how parallel the endings of RotS and Messiah are. Hard to imagine Lucas didn’t copy much of it. The girl is pregnant, gives birth to twins even though only 1 was expected, the mother dies in childbirth, the father embraces a very different role in life under a new identity, and probably some more (the son grows up on a desert planet?)
"He's not the messiah. He's a very naughty boy!"
Heh
The scenes on Giedi Prime were filmed with an Infrared lens, which is extremely uncommon. To my knowledge it has never been done this way.
A few interesting theological references:
In Islamic theology, Jesus spoke in the cradle in a very similar fashion as Paul's sister. Even more similar to the book version. It was the first miracle he performed and it was used as proof for Mary's virgin birth claim.
The title of Mehdi is also found in Islamic theology. During the end times, while the anti-Christ is roaming the world, there will be a religious figure referred to as Mehdi fighting against him with his army. The second coming of Jesus will then occur and the defeat of the anti-Christ by Jesus himself.
Al-Ghaib is an arabic/Islamic term that refers to the unseen world. God, heaven, hell, djinns, etc.
I'm sure there are tons more but these are the ones I can remember off the top of my head.
Saw this in IMAX 70MM and the massive screen and insanely deep bass made this a true experience I won't soon forget.
I don't think I've ever seen a movie in imax. There are not many theaters where I live, lol. But hopefully, one day, they'll release Dune part 2 in imax again and I'll have the pleasure of watching it.
I liked that the director used Chani to show where the audience should stand with Pauls decisions since we are not supposed to support what he is doing.
It's gonna alter Messiah though with how he ended the movie with Chani leaving
@@TwiStedReality1313 eh it doesn't need to change anything significant. They could have just done it to show how upset she was but they can always write her coming back or Paul going after her or w/e.
the problem is that it's entirely a creation of the movie. Book Chani doesn't have an issue with him being the messiah. She is eyes wide open. It does a disservice to her character to make her antagonistic when she never was.
I like this movie a lot, but it lost a lot when they compressed the storyline.
@@BretekV I think that’s what they will do. Paul even says she will after taking the water of life, so I’m confident they will do that.
Book Chani is fucking cardboard. @@jonrazo7912
Jen's mild jealousy of a popcorn bucket 🤣😂
totally random but i saw a short the other day of a buy riding on the back of a car like a sandworm and this one comment said "nissan al giab" and its living rent free in my head so i thought you all should know i found the winner of the funniest comment contest
Crap... now it's in my head.
The Emperor could of fixed everything with some cowbell.
You want my honest review? Not enough cowbell in Dune for my taste. It just needs more cowbell.
LOL
could HAVE could HAVE could HAVE
Read the damn sentence in your head. Does breaking it in pieces the way you wrote it make any sense?
I don't comment a lot in the videos but i always wanted to say that i apreciate the quality of the videos, being able to watch you guys in high quality feels super nice!! Love the reactions ^^
Dune 1 - 8.5
Dune 2 - 10
Dune Part 2 is the best movie I've seen in the last 20 years.
I'd give the first a 9 and the second and 8.5/ 9. The second is great but the first in theaters was kind of like seeing Jurassic Park the first time. The dinosaurs just can't be as jaw-dropping in the 2nd installment.
@@Connor8609 I'd say that depends on how the Dinosaurs are used. For me the 2nd Dune was just as, if not more, jaw-dropping due to how the worms and all the other CGI elements (like space ships and battle scenes etc) gets a lot more up close and personal in the 2nd film. That's just my opinion tho and both films are amazing either way!
22:46
Lisan Al Gaib 🫡
Every time
Holden and Jen have a few laughs 😁
The fact they are Harkonnens is a massive secret and Chani is pissed off because she wants Paul and not messiah Paul, she is afraid of what he’ll become and she knows he didn’t want that, but Jessica basically forced the prophecy to happen and ignored Paul’s concerns.
Chani is pissed because the Messiah prophecy’s purpose was to enslave her people. Paul is now using that prophecy to enslave her people to fight in his holy war.
If they do find out his harkonnen, it shouldn't matter. I mean, we aren't our bloodline and that's what TROS is about. It doesn't matter where you come from, it only matters where you're going.
Aside from the minor omissions and stuff not entirely clarify from the novel, there is *2 major changes from the novels, and not entirely bad or without good reason.* Chani has a major character change because in the book she is quite on-board with the idea of messiah. *But the change is good,* mainly because to the author dismay, most people even while reading the book, didn't realized that Paul wasn't the 'hero' of the story, he was suppose to be the 'warning' regarding charismatic leaders. So the author made it clearer in later books, but if they didn't make future movies, there would be no counter-message. And the change also gave Chani a lot more agency.
*The 2nd major change was Paul's sister, Alia of the Knife.* She was suppose to be 2 years old during the final battle (which took longer to happen) and she was the one who kill her grandfather. Because she was a 'pre-born' (a mostly very bad thing in the Dune universal), you will end up with a 2 year old running around wielding knives (the reason she got her name), cutting down people. Which would be difficult to make happen even with the best CGI. But the change creates another problem... since aside from "What have we done" from the dying Holy Mother, it was never made clear that 'pre-born' aka Abomination, is a bad thing. So foolish conservatives seem to think the movie has a 'pro-life' message (because the fetus speaks), it does not. What happen to the fetus was something Bene Gesserit are suppose to avoid, without going into why, what Jessica did was terrible. Most of them a terrible people and are suppose to be terrible people.
They also cut thufir out of part 2 which doesnt completely effect the outcome as we saw but im still bummed same with the lack of count fenring
As a conservative who has talked about the pro-life argument regarding the film with my peers, I can say that most conservatives do not think the film had a deliberate pro-life message. More so we were just glad that the film acknowledged that a fetus was a human being. The tragedy that befalls Alia while she was still a fetus is distinctly different from the clear fact that, as a fetus, she is still her own human being. That may seem to many a dumb thing to be glad about, but frankly, there are still many people who do not view a fetus as a human being. Thusly, the depiction of the humanity of Alia (even before she became an abomination) was a positive thing to see with a pro-life bend, even if the message was unintentional.
@@mikedawg45To me, the film pretty clearly lays out that a fetus is not a sentient human being until the water of life scene
Really impressed that Holden realized that the way they direct the worms and keep them above ground is by pulling the flaps to expose the skin underneath
@@mikedawg45 That's kind of the thing. How many of your circles of peers can there be, so it is hardly 'most'. But more importantly, conservative media circles, including those on youtube, love advocating how pro-conservatives it is. And as far as US politics goes... the narrative matters, more people are sway by ridiculous narratives then you think. To be honest, the 'pro-life' movement aren't strong in most developed or developing countries precisely because the narrative is the strongest in the US. Also... the reason Abominations are so bad is precisely because the normal fetus isn't suppose to have that level of mental function, whether anyone think them human being or otherwise, Bene Gesserit certainly don't, only those who pass the Gom Jabbar are human. While the water of life changes that, the fetus is elevated without a developed personality, therefore easily overwritten... the elevated new conscious practically relies entirely on ancestral knowledge to function at all. The only reason Alia and other abominations gets to 'develop' a personality of their own is because the other ancestral personality have to fight it out.
it's not really about Chani having a "broken heart." Paul is a false messiah. He's a plant of the Bene Gesserit in order to take power. She is mad because her people are following a false messiah. He says in Part One that he has to marry the emporor's daughter in order to get close and get his revenge. It's all a ploy, they spend the entire movie trying to con the "sand people" lol, in order to get power. Paul is reluctant but embraces the dark siide. Paul becomes Darth Vader. Chani is mad cause her people are now following a power hungry guy cause they are desparate for freedom from. Chani is convinced the Fremen need to free themselves otherwise they are just slaves to the Atreides leader now.
Paul sees the future. GOLEN PATH GOLDEN PATH GOLDEN PATH. Paul knows the golden path is full of death and tyranny for millennia but a better future forward, he won't have the courage eventually, so the God Emperor (his son has to do his dirty work for him.) Same concept as FOundation. Seldon plan. A few thousand years to avoid many more thousand years of bad time.
Except in the books, the only reason Paul rises to power among the Fremen is because Chani is the daughter of the former leader. Her devout support is what allowed him to establish his power over all the people who didnt believe in the prophecy, of which there were many among the Fremen. Not to mention she killed Paul's opponents on her own without even him telling her to. Movie Chani is just a caricature of some third party moral arbiter. Her character would have made more sense in this direction if they made her never fall in love with him in the movies.
Also, the Fremen are tired of living on a harsh desert planet and long for a "green paradise" Paul gives them that when the planet is mostly terraformed except for a small part that serves as a worm reservation. The Fremen helping to make Paul Atreides emperor got their greatest wish made into reality. Theres no false messiah in that regard. Not to mention the whole preventing the extinction of humanity.
I don’t think you could say he’s a “false messiah”. The Bene Gesserit set up that religion precisely for the scenario Paul is in, only that the Bene Gesserit never expected the Lisan Al Gaib to ALSO be the Kwisatz Hederach. The only way he’s a “false messiah” is by saying it’s a false religion, but hey, most of them are anyway 😉 But yeah Chani is mad because she realizes they are being manipulated and following a power hungry fella, like you said (even though you could argue he didn’t really have a choice, and billions would die with or without him, once he got connected with the fremen)
Denis Villeneuve has said he's taking a break for a few years so Chalomet can age some to be appropriate for Dune: Messiah, but yes it is greenlit.
The black sun of the Harkonnen planet is what leeches all the color out of the surroundings, and is accurate to what science says it would look like.
I loved that after all these generations of selective breeding, when confronted with their Kwizatz Haderach, the Reverend Mother calls him an
abomination, because he isn't under their control.
Be interesting to sse what they do with the next movie. Especially with direction they sent Chani's character. Plus, I'm looking forward to seeing Anya join the crew.
Someone stuff Anya Taylor-Joy in a cryo tube!
The adorable dog staring down Holden and the popcorn with the cutest begging eyes ever was my favorite part! That dog was so sad when you put the bucket away lol
He´s still the son of Oscar Isacc, so he also has DNA from him, and not only from his mother, which is the daughter of Harkonen - so he can have hair, because of his fathers DNA.
5:02 hahaha It took me by surprise, I can't stop laughing
In the novel, Chani and Jessica are allies supporting Paul as he leads the Fremen. However, Denis Villeneuve decided that the warning against messianic figures was not strong enough, so he rewrote the part. One of the best scenes in the novel is when Jessica and Chani discuss the necessity of a political marriage between Paul and Irulan. He then tells her that though the two of them will be remembered historically as concubines, they were each the true love of their man (Leto and Paul).
i love Part 2, it's visually stunning and a treat to watch. it got me hooked in the lore of Dune. Part 3 is greenlit and it's based of Dune Messiah
I really hope they just called it dune messiah
Zendaya's facial acting in the end was a masterclass
Acting like an angry girlboss? LOL
she looks dumb doing what she did with her lip
@@DLites151 cringe low iq response
@@DLites151 dweeb 🙄
Chani is upset because recruiting the fundamentalists and Paul embracing the Messiah role involves embracing religious extremism and committing a holy war that will kill billions. I think that’s something worth mentioning because during the react you both seemed alittle confused why she was so against it by the end.
Idk if this has been said before but the gladiator slaves aren’t actually Atrades family members. They were captured soldiers. They refer to them as Atrades because they were employed by them
The one who fought undrugged was an Atreides officer, and was played by the movies' fight choreographer!
My favorite part of your fantastic reactions was Holden putting a jihad on the orifice of that Dune popcorn bucket and the look of shock and awe on Jen's face when she saw it!
When you were watching the coliseum scene, I knew you'd get copyright hit because of the music. Also, Dune: Messiah was originally a part of Dune, but Frank Herbert decided to make it into a separate book. So you can think if Dune part 1 as a first act, Dune part 2 as the second act and Dune: Messiah as the third act. Also Paul is manipulating the Fremen with religious propaganda for his on self gain, that's why Chani is mad at him.
Water of life comes from Uisce Beatha, the Irish name for whiskey. Literally translates as the water of life.
So whiskey and vodka both translate into water?
Huh.
What they did not address in the movie was the fact even if Paul died fighting Feyd the Jihad or holy war would still happen. Once set loose the Fremen would carry on the word of Maud-Dib.
The way I saw that scene where he's at the Southern Tribe is that they already believe in his potential as the prophet but him doing what he did at the council was a power move on his part to make sure there's absolutely no doubt in the Fremen. After his exposure to the water of life he realized he needed to lean into his role as the prophet (even though he was hesitant before and Chani did not want him to). His visions at this point are guiding him more than his emotions.
The problem is that he doesn't want to do what he's seeing he needs to do, but he has to or everything would have been even worse. He's more of a false prophet to a certain point, the one who will truly shape the Universe to come hasn't arrived yet.....
I laughed SO HARD at that diablo 1 clip...holy shit
Same lmfao, absolute gold
I watched it when it was 47 mins let’s go
same i went to go rewatch and it was gone 😂
47 minute version is still available on Patreon but it got clapped on CZcams by Warner-Harkonnen
Me too. Hate that they got copyright hit. Warner Brothers is nothing but a bunch of assholes, imo.
@MrVashsword I was watching it for a 3rd time, lol, and the comment section was gone, and I was like, "What the heck." Then I went back to my main page, and the video was gone, and I just knew they were copyright hit, lol.
Attempt #3 LMAO
Is this the 3rd re-upload?
@@husker4life109 Yep lol. He DID say Warner Bros. was gonna come after them. I just didn't expect it so soon 🤣
"The Hand of God as my witness" is such a badass line I've ever heard in a theater. This was such an amazing movie
The party where he yells "Long Live the fighters" and then they send the nukes is my favorite part. I love it, because neither the Emperor or the Harkonnens had any idea what was heading their way.
In part 1, the mother superior berates Jessica for having a son despite orders to have girls. The bene gesserit plan was to have Jessica’s and Leto’s daughter breed with Feyd Rautha, and that child would be the kwizatz haderach. Paul, being outside their plan, was going to be less controllable even without the extermination of his house.
Javier Bardeim is EASILY my favorite character and best actor of this film, Supporting Actor Oscar nod is guaranteed imo. My favorite parts are him being a fanatic "Even MORE reason to believe in him!.... As is Written!..... LISAN AL-GIB!!!"
Be absolutely kills it every time.
Wow that was a rapidly paced edit
This is a true ensemble film. Not everyone gets to shine but they serve their purpose to further the narrative and support the over arching story. 👏🏾
I believe Paul and his mother always intended to keep their Harkonnen origin a secret.
Neither of them even knew until they took the water of life.
agreed, they were on a knife's edge already trying to rally the Fremen
no way would they have received Fremen help if it were known they're Harkonnen too
The only blood family Atredies are Paul, his dad, and his unborn sister.
Anyone else refered to as Atredies is someone who followed and served with the family
The "members of House Atreides" that Feyd-Rautha fights in the arena are soldiers of the Household's guard. In this techno-feudal future, people become part of a household by paying fealty and thereby receive the house's protection. This creates loyalty and is why people do not run screaming from House Harkonnen.
In the Dune universe using atomics against people is forbidden. Later in the movie you will see that Paul only uses his to destroy a bedrock wall allowing the Fremen to enter the city.
Y’all definitely missed how Paul transitioned from good to bad. Which explains a lot of Jens confusion unfortunately
One of the things to realize is that the Kwisatz Haderach wasn't supposed to be born yet in this generation. The carefully laid out breeding plan of the Bene Gesserit was geared towards producing him in the next generation. This is why they wanted Jessica to produce a daughter, whom they would train and then cross breed with Feyd Rautha Harkonnen to produce the real Kwisatz Haderach. Or at least that was one of the possible ways to produce the KH, as they also had other prospects in the waiting in the wing. But by having a son, Jessica threw a wrench in the BG's plans, which ultimately lead the BG to try and weed out this potential line, by having the emperor destroy the Atreides with the help of the Harkonnen.
In the book it is also shown (from Paul's point of view) that he has moments when he can't see the outcome of certain decisions, its described like he is bobbing on top of a wave, with the wave front sometimes obscuring the path the decision will lead to. This is further proof that his powers aren't fully where the KH should be.
Damn, I can notice the heavy cutting. Could’ve leave some of your comments. But all that cutting is too painful to watch.
this video kept getting taken down by warner bros. so it’s been chopped to pieces
@@chance757 Yeah, I started watching the original and got taken down while I was watching. It's sad cuz I was looking forward to it. It's better than nothing I guess.
@@elcano091 the full ones on their patreon i believe
Watching that sand worm riding scene in the theatres made it one of my favourite scenes ever. So loud and the music was so great.
Too bad you had copyright issues, you had to bring in the editor from Taken 3 to help out.
I did not edit Taken 3, but it sucks that I had to chop it all up after Taken so much time to do the first version.
@@DMFX1i believe they meant the actual editor of the actual movie, like when there was 12 cuts for liam neeson climbing one fence
@@DMFX1 no I know, I just meant it looked like it since the edit was so quick-cut that it reminded me of Taken 3. I realize it was done because it was blocked several times. Its just a shame it was quick cut like that.
One of the reasons why I keep coming back to this channel is your wife's reactions to your colorful commentary. Thumbs up at the fisting of the popcorn bucket.
25:33 It's a revelation to Paul but it's his secret. Paul would not tell Chani or any Fremen because he's manipulating them into supporting them. So for the story it wouldn't really make sense to tell them.
I think denis did the book very well and showing its message. Frank's message in the books is that don't let other people control the way u think and feel. U can fine urself ur own way, u don't need a messiah or God to tell u how to live and make ur morals
I love Paul's last line. He seems to almost hesitate. As if he doesnt want the war to happen, but it has to for him to survive getting his revenge on the emporer. And not to spoil messiah but he might also see further ahead and not like his visons
LOL THE POPCORN BUCKET!
dude visually, this movie is one of (if not) the best things i’ve ever experienced in a movie theater. it’s not gratuitous like a super fancy art house film; it’s just beautiful enough.
yeah as far as the messianic tropes: i think Dune is definitely a cautionary tale on messianic figures and radicalism. Paul drank the water so Anakin could “stop” the younglings.
It's a re-upload but a good one, glory to the giver and his water🙌🏽 Shai-Halud 🙏🏽
On the Water of Life and Paul: I have a reasonable theory about the duality of his prophecy and the Bene Gesserit manipulation.
People often forget, he is a male Bene Gesserit, and has received a lot of training from his mother of the Weirding Ways (Bene Gesserit stuff). He himself in the movie said that advanced Bene Gesserit can transmute toxins in the body to be non-lethal. The Water of Life is also the purest form of spice melange you can get, and Paul is sensitive to, and has been exposed to spice for a long time at this point.
Aside from being symbolic, I don't think it mattered that it was Chani's tears. He already was capable of surviving it, and a tiny bit of the Water of Life was enough to shock therapy him from Coma.
Jessica was just being manipulative, and knowing that Chani is part of the prophecy via her precognition, she just used her to affirm everyone, even the viewers of the movie and the reader that Paul is the one.
The jigsaw puzzles have aligned but people forgot that jigsaw puzzles are manufactured, and it's up to the player to complete the puzzle.
16:29 It is explained in more detail in the book. To avoid a nuclear war, it is forbidden to use nuclear weapons against people. If Paul had used atomic weapons against the Harkonnen or the Emperor, the other houses would be obliged by law to respond by attacking Paul with their own atomics. That is why he only uses them to destroy the mountain that surrounds the city, allowing the worms to pass through.
27:40 The Fremen religion is an invention of the Bene Gesserit. They have been crossing genetic lines for centuries to obtain the Kwisatz Haderach, a man capable of using the abilities of the Bene Gesserit, but much more powerful, and their ultimate goal is to put him on the throne (although obviously under their influence. Paul, despite being the Kwisatz Haderach, is not controlled by the BG, that's why they want to get rid of him). To ensure that everywhere in the Universe the Kwisatz Haderach is accepted as ruler, they have been creating messianic religions among the native populations of the different planets so that when he arrives, he will be accepted as their savior. Paul takes advantage of these beliefs established by the Bene Gesserit to manipulate the Fremen and make them follow him.
I swore I’ve seen their reaction to this yesterday? Am I crazy? Was I dreaming about it lmao 😂
Whoops it was re-uploaded lol 😂 sometimes my brain scares me
nah that was part 1
It wasn’t up yesterday
Ok, So for those who haven't read the book (for context)
The are going to do DUNE: Messiah which is book 2 in the series. DUNE: Part 2 is not really a sequel. It's just the second half of the first book
1 - The marriage between Paul and Princess Irulan is a political one only. There is no love there. That marriage is just to solidify his ascendancy claim
2 - So Paul REALLY is the in-universe Kwisatz Haderach (the genetically engineered super being) who the Bene Gesserit have been attempting to create/control. This is why the sisters who are sent off to marry men within the great houses are instructed on what gender of child to bare. The Bene Gesserit are technically witches/Sorceres who created the voice and through genetics and training, hope to create the male version of a Bene Gesserit - The Kwisatz Haderach. The reverend Mothers who have taken the water of life can only see "the beyond" through the eyes/minds of matriarcal bloodlines. But the Kwisatz Haderach can see both matriarcal and patriarchal bloodlines. The KW would basically make the need for spice pointless
3 - What Paul may or may not be is the Lisan Al Gaib (The promised Fremen Messiah). Thousands of years ago, the Bene Gesserit sent out missionaries to various planets in the imperium and basically "planted" the prophecy and after several millennia, the prophecy took on a life of itself. By the time Paul Atredies shows up, he fits the prophecy perfectly. The thing is that he actually *IS* the Kwisatz Haderach and by proxy of what being the KH is, that inevitably makes him Lisan Al Gaib. This is what a lot of people never understood. The Bene Gesserit weren't outside of the prophecy of the Lisan Al Gaib, they were inside of it. In the books you don't really meet any non believing Fremen until the latter part of DUNE: Messiah. In fact Chani is his greatest supporter and believer in the book.
Finally I love seeing reactions to this movie, and it’s even better with you guys. I’ve been watching y’all for while now. Love you guys!
It's good we're getting Dune Messiah, but if the movies ended here I'd be happy. Dune was originally intended to be an open-ended standalone book, and it succeeds at that (just like these two films).
Edit: The problem is that Dune Messiah was nowhere near as well received as Dune or the later books, so it may be an uphill battle to get a Children of Dune film.
The book of Messiah wasn't as well received because it punctured everyone's perception of Dune. Now many people know that in advance, and Villeneuve (through Chani) lampshades the issues Herbert had to bang so hard in Messiah. The film might be less unpopular than the book.
lets gooo. I love this movie so much and I love watching every reaction. glad you guys finally got around to these movies
Paul isn't Luke. Paul is Anakin.
Ahahaha jen trying to understand the politics in the end is so relatable 😂
These movies are so freakin epic!! It's sci-fi that non-sci-fi fans can (and do) enjoy. Denis really takes this seriously and it shows in the quality of the filmmaking, acting, cinematography etc. Just such gorgeous movies and so so well made. Just awesome. :)
We can get an idea here of what Scorsese meant when he said the MCU movies aren't "cinema" - I think he would be refering to movies like this. Just works of art put right there on the big screen. :)
I'm glad you guys enjoyed the movie, but after watching your reaction and listening to your thoughts, I wonder if you picked up on any other interesting themes? I was wondering if you view of Paul Atreides as a hero or a villain? Do you foresee Paul Atreides future actions as being better or worse for the universe as he embarks on his holy war? Did you pick up on the concepts of how a collective can lay the groundwork for future control of a people and/or their leaders? Do you have any viewpoints on the originators of a prophecy and those believe the prophecy even at the expense of their own freedom and autonomy? Are prophecies revealed or are they created? Do you think the film intends to show a difference between the way those who rule and those who are ruled go about planning for the future? Have you done any research on the author's concerns about the reception to the first book and how that influenced the 2nd book?
Something that they couldn't explain in the movies, is that making any kind of technology that performs the function of the human mind, is completely forbidden by their religion. This because of a rebellion thousands of years before where humanity overthrew the Mechs that had enslaved us (this is still thousands of years before our current timeline). Which is why schools of humanity had to evolve to be able to perform those functions. The Bene Gesserit sisterhood have complete body control. Ovulating on demand, and being able to control every aspect of their body chemistry. This is the source of their powers.
Christopher Walken was Christopher Walken every time he spoke in this movie. At one point I was like this movie is missing something...more cowbell lol
Not the popcorn bucket😆
Had this in my watch later but ofc WB got you guys .. watching this now and praying it stays up now🙏🏻😂
Warner Bros is the worst studio for bullying videos that actually fall under fair use. Had to cut this up to ribbons and they’ll probably still clap this video after they finish beating up some kids for their lunch money.
There were people complaining that this was a”White Savior “ movie. What you see here and what happens later are 2 very different things.
For clarification on Paul threatening to bomb the spice fields, the Fremen don't need the spice fields, they get spice every day in their food, it's in the air, it's everywhere for them. The spice fields are just places for the Harkonnens and whoever to harvest and ship offworld. It would hurt the rest of the empire much much worse than it would ever hurt the Fremen.
in the books, Paul is actually threatening to destroy the spice cycle on Arrakis
it would've destroyed the spice melange entirely, along with the worms and much of the planet
Stilgar is the best. Paul sneezes Stilgar: "Lisan al Gaib"
Dune part 3 is actually confirmed. Its gonna take 2-3 years tho probably
Yeah, Denis Villeneuve has other films he’s working plus he wants to let the cast age up a bit because the book part 3 is based on has a bit of a time skip.
I was just watching ur guy's DD, Boys and Shehulk videos
The look Jessica gives Chani when she shouts "What did you do?" leads me to think there was a hint of the voice in it. I don't think Jessica would react that way simply from being yelled at.
"feels like a 'Two Towers' situation" perfectly said
HOLDEN IT SAYS PART ONE IN TITLE, ALSO SUPER EXCITED
All hail Leto II. Long May he reign!!
4:58 Shocking! 🤣
the one thing that bothered me the most was how slow paul was to call the fremen to stop killing gurney’s mates , i know in the books half of them are actually killed but it just itches me.
5:02 Holden come on hahaha
I think you meant part two
glad i am not the only one who thought of diablo during that guitar
it is forbidden to use atomics on people directly by the Orange bible (some kind of religion) in the Dune books, for historical reasons (horrible things happened in the past). The date of these movies is 20 000 years in the future....A LOT happened in this universe since our time....read the books: there are 6 books from Frank Herbert (1963-1985), here the movies is the first book. His son Brian Herbert continues the story, with Kevin J. Anderson, 2 books finishing the story based on Frank's notes. They did also prequels and filling books. Total 22 books in the Dune saga.
5:15 killed me 😂
I’m glad you liked it. Watching this on IMAX was the best movie experience I ever had.
5:00 oh he did not hahaha
i know its wierd, but these movies have to be seen in the theater its just a different experience, immersion is insane. i havent felt like that about any other movie. watching it at home just doesnt feel the same
This movie imax was a spectacle to behold
Watching this one for the algorithm after watching the 47min version.
They don't use the nukes directly against the baldies because it's against the laws of warfare that the great houses signed onto. So he skirts the rules and uses them to destroy the shield wall mountains that normally protect that valley from the sand storms and the worms.
I think holden spoke more about other films and characters in this reaction, wasnt sure you were enjoying it 😂