I ended up getting my first eink and it is the Air 3C. I thought the battery was going to be an issue but it gives me a screen tkme of around 9hours (2 days of usage for me) which is good enough. So far my eyes are liking it.
@@jeffreymoss i am coming from a Samsung Galaxy tablet and am used to charge it every couple days. On a different note, i attached a wired keyboard (usb c to usb c connection) and it worked flawlessly, absolutely no lag. Am yet to try a wireless keyboard.
The two screens are exactly the same. Each individual screen has it's own imperfections, no two are alike. You could buy 2 x 3C's and see the differences between the two.
I returned my TUC as it was constantly losing the pin connection. Also, I did not see options for auto capitalization. That is so standard on my iPad and was a big con for the TUC.
I think everyone is getting the stripe. Thankfully it's only there when front lighting is on, and at least it's consistent along the side. That's a bummer about the pixel. I have a dead pixel on my monitor (it's stuck on red) and for years my eyes just zeroed in on that until I somehow found a way to let it go.
Thanks for this video! How effective are the scan and OCR in practice on the Tab Ultra C? Can you really scan a document and work with it? I think I saw a comment somewhere saying the camera wasn't really that good. Is the Pro slated to have better performance there?
Any concerns about security? I understand Boox isn't forthcoming with a device security policy. Some are concerned about their lack of openness and transparency - such as not following open source standards when it comes to their modifications to Android. Concerns over it "phoning home" to China. Do you take any precautions with a Boox device in terms of security? I see a lot of enthusiasm for Boox but still not enough discussion about trusting them with data and sending personal information back home. Personally I am still on pause because of security concerns. I would appreciate your feedback.
I don't trust them. Which is not to say they have done anything wrong, that just reflects my approach. My general uses of the device do not really need much security, but when I used the Boox in my work environment, I didn't create an account and I backed up files onto my computer vs. any type of cloud solution. I take the same approach with the Supernote as well.
OneNote works for sure, as I've tested that before. It's a bit odd, in that you write out your notes and then it converts to whatever settings are in OneNote for drawing, but it's certainly functional. Evernote I don't have any experience with. The app will certainly work, but how well is not clear to me.
Both are super machines. I just cannot fall totally in love with either. The unlit screens are just a little too dark. Such a pity as the Note Air 3 C, particularly, is such a nice device otherwise.
Well, in terms of the darker screen, you just have to make a choice between color or black-and-white. There's currently no way around it. All color e-ink screens are slightly darker than the black-and-white ones.
That's true. But yesterday I was reading a novel, sitting about 10 feet away from the light in my study, and generally the lighting isn't the greatest in that room. But I never felt the need for front lighting. I was surprised at that. As time goes on I'm starting to feel that the background of a K3 screen might not be the liability it's generally assumed to be. @@bellissimo4520
@@bellissimo4520 Absolutely. Against my expectations I have returned the Note Air 3 C due mostly to the darkness of the screen without front lighting. Again, against my expectations, I have not (yet) returned my Remarkable 2, which is meeting my needs nicely. I have found that the contrast is a real deal breaker for me. Now if they bring out a B&W Note Air 3, that might be the perfect device for me.
Laughing at myself as I read my own comment while thinking of buying the 3C again. I am doing a maths degree and E-ink tablets are so good for the volume of practice. The 3C also has simultaneous reading and great note taking abilities which the remarkable does not have. Oddly, the “continuous paper” on the remarkable is an attractive feature over the 3C.
Thank you for response. I am adoctor and I read so much pdf papers, do annotations and cut screenshot notes. I use an android tab for this but light coming out of screen get my eyes tired@@jeffreymoss
Thank you. My main reason for looking into this device is in order to save my eyes. I am wondering though about the practical difference offer by this product for my eyes. For example, when I use the backlight on this device would there be any actual difference for my eyes compared to a LCD screen?
The device actually has front lighting, so the light source goes down on the screen and then reflects back to your eyes, so it's not as direct as an LCD. I think the experience is quite different. Front lighting can be a bit bright at the top setting, but you can bring that down until it's at a good level for you. I've never strained my eyes when working with an Eink device.
I think so. I have used an e-ink tablet for many years now, and have read countless books on it, and I used the backlight a lot. I never found it as strenuous as a regular computer screen. I think the reason really is that the light is not directly shining into your eyes, but just reflected by the screen, just like the environmental light.
Sir, thank you for doing this comparison. May I ask, does the tablet have access to all App Store applications? Could I use a GPS application on the tablet or is that a limitation?
Most Android apps will download to this device, but that's different from being optimized. Reading apps tend to work really well, for example. Other apps will be more of a hit and miss affair. If there's a specific app you are curious about, and it's free to try, I can look into that for you. In terms of GPS, I'm not aware of that functionality on the device.
@@jeffreymoss I like the idea of using it as a navigation device ( like google maps ) since it would not wash out while outside being mounted to my motorcycle. but now that I think about it, it probably wouldn't work unless there was GPS built into it. It was worth an ask sir.
What can you say about the reflective properties of the screen? As far as I know, the screen is Air 3C more matte than screen of Tab Ultra C, is this a problem for Tab Ultra C?
Both can have glare from reflection. I'm not sure one is better than the other. Usually this issue can be resolved by repositioning the device or putting on front light to full. Glare is an issue, but in my experience it can be easily resolved.
does one of them have a camera? if so, is it possible (and how easy would it be) to scan an invoice, sign it and email it as a pdf to a contact on your phone (using your phone's cellular network)?
The Tab Ultra C has a camera but the 3C does not. I haven't used it myself, but I took a quick look based on your question. You can use an app on the device to take a picture of the document, and then you can write on the document. Once done, you have the ability to share the document via various apps. For example, you can upload it to Google Photos as a PNG fil. Once there, you can then use your phone to send the file. That's one way to accomplish that, I'm sure there are others. The file can be 'printed' while in the app to a PDF.
18:30 I would love to see which one is closer to the original color because that's going to affect my decision which to buy. Could you look at that same page on your phone or LED screen and let us know which is closer to the original color? Thanks in advance.
@@jeffreymoss 😯 whoah! Dark-themed apps is gonna be non-dark. It's trying to use color inks instead of using the black-and-white layer of e-ink, but there's not enough colors to mix a black that's why it's producing some weird hue. I think it's fixable with firmware if the GPU is instructed to use black-inks for gray and blacks instead of the colored e-ink layer.
Honestly I think your comparison is a little flawed (in the context of deciding between the TUC Pro and the 3 C I mean). The TUC Pro is quite an upgrade processor wise over the TUC. It’s odd therefore to claim the 3 C is a better choice than the TUC Pro performance wise, when it’s clearly a step down in terms of pure performance metrics (CPU, RAM and storage).
I would agree that my argument might be in error as it relates to the processor, however I do have a few points that I should have mentioned in the video that supports my position. First, the gap in Ghz between the TUC and the 3C is roughly 0.4. The gap between the 3C and the TUCP is also roughly 0.4. The gap between the TUC and the TUCP is 0.8, so that is a large margin and may have an impact on performance. But I saw even performance between the TUC and the 3C, so it's not unreasonable to think the same might be true between the 3C and the TUCP. Or if there is a difference, it will could be subtle. Second, in my experience, Eink devices do not benefit from spec jumps in quite the same way that phones, tablets, and computers do. Improvements tend to be more incremental in nature. I think that may be due to the limitation of what the Eink screen itself can do, but that's just speculation on my part. We'll know for sure when comparisons come out between the TUC and TUCP.
@@jeffreymossYes that’s fair I think. Ultimately I think it’s really a pure form factor choice between these two. Things like the volume buttons for example might be insignificant to some/most, but to me they’re quite a big deal - to be able to configure them as page up and down for web browsing for example is excellent. I find scrolling via the touch screen on e-ink to be quite tedious.
I actually didn't know about the customizable volume buttons until that was pointed out to me. I'm with you on that one, that's a really nice feature to have.@@bluein2red423
I have the c pro. It looks nice, but it's terrible. It's slow, lots of latency. The cursor is atrocious. Don't buy get a gamsung tablet instead. The templates also look horrible.
The C Pro and related devices are very specialized in my mind. You really need a use case that matches it, otherwise the value probably isn't there. For example, the need to be mobile with an attached keyboard might justify it, but again, most folks won't have that use case.
I ended up getting my first eink and it is the Air 3C. I thought the battery was going to be an issue but it gives me a screen tkme of around 9hours (2 days of usage for me) which is good enough. So far my eyes are liking it.
Yeah, the battery isn't great, but it isn't a problem either.
@@jeffreymoss i am coming from a Samsung Galaxy tablet and am used to charge it every couple days.
On a different note, i attached a wired keyboard (usb c to usb c connection) and it worked flawlessly, absolutely no lag. Am yet to try a wireless keyboard.
That's interesting! I have a bluetooth keyboard and mouse I'll be trying in a week or so.@@karlgozo
The two screens are exactly the same. Each individual screen has it's own imperfections, no two are alike. You could buy 2 x 3C's and see the differences between the two.
Thank you for this comparison. It would be great to see how either of these fare using pressreader for reading newspapers and or magazines.
I will take a look at that.
Thanks. Selling my ultrac due to weight and sharp edges. Well said
Did you notice that both devices became colder like 10sec later during the warm light test ?
Or may be a camera issue. Aperture auto-adjustment ?
That's what I was thinking. That it was the camera adjusting to the lighting, not an actual dimming of the screens.
I returned my TUC as it was constantly losing the pin connection. Also, I did not see options for auto capitalization. That is so standard on my iPad and was a big con for the TUC.
Thank you for your video. Already subscribed waiting for the review of the spacedesk app (try with 5ghz and good wifi signal please).
I got the same „stripe“ at the left side on my device and one semi-dead-pixel.
I think everyone is getting the stripe. Thankfully it's only there when front lighting is on, and at least it's consistent along the side. That's a bummer about the pixel. I have a dead pixel on my monitor (it's stuck on red) and for years my eyes just zeroed in on that until I somehow found a way to let it go.
I'm not sure if you see this when you were close up to the devices, but on the video I think the Ultra C background is whiter than 3C?
Yeah, I just looked at the screens side-by-side and the Ultra C does look lighter. I wonder if that has to do with the film on the 3C?
Thanks for this video! How effective are the scan and OCR in practice on the Tab Ultra C? Can you really scan a document and work with it? I think I saw a comment somewhere saying the camera wasn't really that good. Is the Pro slated to have better performance there?
I actually have never scanned a document that way, so unfortunately I cannot speak to that.
Any concerns about security? I understand Boox isn't forthcoming with a device security policy. Some are concerned about their lack of openness and transparency - such as not following open source standards when it comes to their modifications to Android. Concerns over it "phoning home" to China. Do you take any precautions with a Boox device in terms of security? I see a lot of enthusiasm for Boox but still not enough discussion about trusting them with data and sending personal information back home. Personally I am still on pause because of security concerns. I would appreciate your feedback.
I don't trust them. Which is not to say they have done anything wrong, that just reflects my approach. My general uses of the device do not really need much security, but when I used the Boox in my work environment, I didn't create an account and I backed up files onto my computer vs. any type of cloud solution. I take the same approach with the Supernote as well.
Appreciate the video. I'd love to know if 3rd party note taking apps such as Evernote and OneNote work on either of these devices
OneNote works for sure, as I've tested that before. It's a bit odd, in that you write out your notes and then it converts to whatever settings are in OneNote for drawing, but it's certainly functional. Evernote I don't have any experience with. The app will certainly work, but how well is not clear to me.
Both are super machines. I just cannot fall totally in love with either. The unlit screens are just a little too dark. Such a pity as the Note Air 3 C, particularly, is such a nice device otherwise.
I can agree with that. I prefer the 3C, but you can't go wrong, really.
Well, in terms of the darker screen, you just have to make a choice between color or black-and-white. There's currently no way around it. All color e-ink screens are slightly darker than the black-and-white ones.
That's true. But yesterday I was reading a novel, sitting about 10 feet away from the light in my study, and generally the lighting isn't the greatest in that room. But I never felt the need for front lighting. I was surprised at that. As time goes on I'm starting to feel that the background of a K3 screen might not be the liability it's generally assumed to be. @@bellissimo4520
@@bellissimo4520 Absolutely. Against my expectations I have returned the Note Air 3 C due mostly to the darkness of the screen without front lighting. Again, against my expectations, I have not (yet) returned my Remarkable 2, which is meeting my needs nicely. I have found that the contrast is a real deal breaker for me. Now if they bring out a B&W Note Air 3, that might be the perfect device for me.
Laughing at myself as I read my own comment while thinking of buying the 3C again.
I am doing a maths degree and E-ink tablets are so good for the volume of practice.
The 3C also has simultaneous reading and great note taking abilities which the remarkable does not have.
Oddly, the “continuous paper” on the remarkable is an attractive feature over the 3C.
You should have charged them both to 100% before the perf test.
No the same font on Kobo
Please make a demonstration on performance of Google play PDF apps eg Xodo Adobe and foxit etc
page loading turning and annotation latancy
I have a list of requests I will be getting to in a few weeks, and this is on it.
Thank you for response. I am adoctor and I read so much pdf papers, do annotations and cut screenshot notes. I use an android tab for this but light coming out of screen get my eyes tired@@jeffreymoss
Thank you. My main reason for looking into this device is in order to save my eyes. I am wondering though about the practical difference offer by this product for my eyes. For example, when I use the backlight on this device would there be any actual difference for my eyes compared to a LCD screen?
The device actually has front lighting, so the light source goes down on the screen and then reflects back to your eyes, so it's not as direct as an LCD. I think the experience is quite different. Front lighting can be a bit bright at the top setting, but you can bring that down until it's at a good level for you. I've never strained my eyes when working with an Eink device.
great explanation thank you @@jeffreymoss
I think so. I have used an e-ink tablet for many years now, and have read countless books on it, and I used the backlight a lot. I never found it as strenuous as a regular computer screen. I think the reason really is that the light is not directly shining into your eyes, but just reflected by the screen, just like the environmental light.
Why is the white of Air 3 C has reddish tint? Is that due to front light?
I don't notice a reddish tint when I look at it, so I'm not sure.
Sir, thank you for doing this comparison. May I ask, does the tablet have access to all App Store applications? Could I use a GPS application on the tablet or is that a limitation?
Most Android apps will download to this device, but that's different from being optimized. Reading apps tend to work really well, for example. Other apps will be more of a hit and miss affair. If there's a specific app you are curious about, and it's free to try, I can look into that for you. In terms of GPS, I'm not aware of that functionality on the device.
@@jeffreymoss I like the idea of using it as a navigation device ( like google maps ) since it would not wash out while outside being mounted to my motorcycle. but now that I think about it, it probably wouldn't work unless there was GPS built into it. It was worth an ask sir.
What can you say about the reflective properties of the screen? As far as I know, the screen is Air 3C more matte than screen of Tab Ultra C, is this a problem for Tab Ultra C?
Both can have glare from reflection. I'm not sure one is better than the other. Usually this issue can be resolved by repositioning the device or putting on front light to full. Glare is an issue, but in my experience it can be easily resolved.
does one of them have a camera?
if so, is it possible (and how easy would it be) to scan an invoice, sign it and email it as a pdf to a contact on your phone (using your phone's cellular network)?
The Tab Ultra C has a camera but the 3C does not. I haven't used it myself, but I took a quick look based on your question. You can use an app on the device to take a picture of the document, and then you can write on the document. Once done, you have the ability to share the document via various apps. For example, you can upload it to Google Photos as a PNG fil. Once there, you can then use your phone to send the file. That's one way to accomplish that, I'm sure there are others. The file can be 'printed' while in the app to a PDF.
@@jeffreymoss thanks for the info.
18:30 I would love to see which one is closer to the original color because that's going to affect my decision which to buy. Could you look at that same page on your phone or LED screen and let us know which is closer to the original color? Thanks in advance.
same kaleido 3 screen
@@Ophidions yes they are same kaleido 3 screen but please re-watch 18:30 there's clearly huge difference in color, one is red and one is green.
Ready to have your mind blown? The original is black. I did not see that coming!
@@jeffreymoss 😯 whoah!
Dark-themed apps is gonna be non-dark.
It's trying to use color inks instead of using the black-and-white layer of e-ink, but there's not enough colors to mix a black that's why it's producing some weird hue. I think it's fixable with firmware if the GPU is instructed to use black-inks for gray and blacks instead of the colored e-ink layer.
@@ryan-smithCould it be a reflection problem?
Honestly I think your comparison is a little flawed (in the context of deciding between the TUC Pro and the 3 C I mean). The TUC Pro is quite an upgrade processor wise over the TUC. It’s odd therefore to claim the 3 C is a better choice than the TUC Pro performance wise, when it’s clearly a step down in terms of pure performance metrics (CPU, RAM and storage).
I would agree that my argument might be in error as it relates to the processor, however I do have a few points that I should have mentioned in the video that supports my position. First, the gap in Ghz between the TUC and the 3C is roughly 0.4. The gap between the 3C and the TUCP is also roughly 0.4. The gap between the TUC and the TUCP is 0.8, so that is a large margin and may have an impact on performance. But I saw even performance between the TUC and the 3C, so it's not unreasonable to think the same might be true between the 3C and the TUCP. Or if there is a difference, it will could be subtle. Second, in my experience, Eink devices do not benefit from spec jumps in quite the same way that phones, tablets, and computers do. Improvements tend to be more incremental in nature. I think that may be due to the limitation of what the Eink screen itself can do, but that's just speculation on my part.
We'll know for sure when comparisons come out between the TUC and TUCP.
@@jeffreymossYes that’s fair I think. Ultimately I think it’s really a pure form factor choice between these two. Things like the volume buttons for example might be insignificant to some/most, but to me they’re quite a big deal - to be able to configure them as page up and down for web browsing for example is excellent. I find scrolling via the touch screen on e-ink to be quite tedious.
I actually didn't know about the customizable volume buttons until that was pointed out to me. I'm with you on that one, that's a really nice feature to have.@@bluein2red423
Hello. Thanks for the review. Can whatsapp and telegram be installed?
Yes, they both can be downloaded via Google Play. I can't speak to how they will perform however.
I have the c pro. It looks nice, but it's terrible. It's slow, lots of latency. The cursor is atrocious. Don't buy get a gamsung tablet instead. The templates also look horrible.
The C Pro and related devices are very specialized in my mind. You really need a use case that matches it, otherwise the value probably isn't there. For example, the need to be mobile with an attached keyboard might justify it, but again, most folks won't have that use case.
May i get your email jeff?
If you click on 'more about this channel' an e-mail address is indicated there.
@@jeffreymoss ok… its not visible in iOS CZcams app but webapp has an option to see the email.