@@jacklong9619 Emove Cruiser is IPX67 water resistant. I live in an area that rains a lot and I have gone through heavy rain and puddles (not on purpose) and it is unphased.
The wheels are smaller in size to make it easier for the electric motors to spin up, the larger the tires, the more torque requiired to get it moving - which then translates to a bigger battery due to the extra load on take off. i can see there being a higher top speed with larger tires due to obvious reasons - how ever i bet they use the 8-10inch tires because thats whats readily available and they are stuck in there ways. a 1ft diameter tire starts to seem a little large in my opinion but then again i think its mostly the scooter manufactures found something thats acceptable 90% of the time. goood video man
Huge yes to #5, standardized parts. I called six bike shops for some maint work on my scooter and NONE of them would take an electric scooter's business, even for a flat tire. They are a pain to maintain because nothing is standard yet.
you nailed it. Those small wheels and geometry is the biggest obstacle for me in getting one. I can do some DIY waterproofing myself but it should be waterproofed from factory. ..this disc brake replacement through cable is utterly ridiculous. What was the designer thinking?
Nice viewpoints there bud. Got my kugoo g2 pro a couple months back. I live in Scotland UK so rain is par for the course. I wash and dry my scoot each time I get back from a run cause mud. This is definitely a hands on hobby. Love it tho, 52y old kid, scooting for the love of it. Stay safe folks.
I have watched hundreds of scooters videos. I own two scooters myself. This is the best video I have ever seen. I literally will not even consider Apollo scooters because of their lack of solid tires or tubeless tires on their best scooters. There is no excuse for any scooter to have anything less than 10 inch tires. Being worried that it might drizzle out and ruin any part of a scooter is not something a consumer should have to worry about. I think in the future people are going to laugh at the fact that we were driving these electric scooters with 8 inch wheels. Excellent video.
All good points. I would add 2 more, from my personal experience : 1. Option to have a fixed non-foldable steerer (or stem, as it's commonly - and erroneously - referred to in the e-scooter world). Especially on the heavy weight e-scooters, I cannot see the utility of a foldable steerer. It's not like you're gonna fold it and take it up a flight of stairs, then tuck it under some desk. 2. Adjustable handlebar height. This is a simple thing that can make your ride great or miserable. Unfortunately, modern Chinese people are just executants, invention and inovation are skills they barely start to rediscover. If they don't have a good original to copy, they can only get it right by chance.
Regarding number one, I think you're misjudging the average consumer. Most need a last mile solution that they can put in their car, or bring with them on the bus or train. They don't need dual motor, 40mph and 60 miles range. So for them the small wheels are the perfect compromise between comfort and portability.
Well, I have used to use the Ninebot ES4 for my average commute to work, I found that I needed something else to get me into the city. I believe a lot of people who are getting into the E-Scooter scene have found out that they can be a way to get around and can be significantly cheaper than a car.
Oh my gosh finally someone said it!! Ever since I had an accident on my 10” tire scooter going 18 mph by hitting a small size rock and flying over the handlebars I’ve been thinking how I need to purchase EV’s with at least 14” tires, so I found an American company who makes scooters with 14” tires, dual suspension and off road tires. I’m gonna feel a lot safer with this kind of stability and I also like riding fast :)
Thank you for bringing up the point of tires that don't go flat. I used to go to work on my bicycle, and even though I would change the inner tube right after a flat, when I would ride it the very first day I would get another flat. it's so frustrating to know that nails do not respect brand new inner tubes. That's what stopped me from going to work on my bicycle.
Use some better tire sealant such as Armor-Dilloz or Flatout that can seal up to 1/2". Slime can only seal up tp 1/4". I always go with air filled tires because more grip when wet and longer range compared to solid tires. For speed wobble, you might need to install a steering damper. If you like Hiboy, you will love Ninebot Max.. because it's weatherproof, and the steering angle is perfect.
I completely agree with your recommended changes. Your thoughts on head angle and tire size are little talked about but are super important. The faster today’s scooters become the more of an issue this is. These aren’t kick scooters so the design that is right for that isn’t right for a 30+ mph machine. Great vid!
It would be better if scooter manufacturers built a frame around two larger 20+inch wheels. Additionally, the driver can sit between the two wheels for extra comfort. Batteries can be mounted on the frame and provide power to the rear wheel; or, better yet, use the space inside the frame to mount an engine for increased speed and torque. My invention has just revolutionized the scooter industry, incredilbe
wow....really well thought out and concise :) Totally agree, the wheel size for sure...why not 12-15" indeed, Tire Type (where does one find foam filled tires?), the geometry is so important, waterproofing living on this island is a must and love your thoughts on the upgradability...fabulous goals :) Cheers from Vancouver Island :)
Some state regulations like those where I live, in Minnesota classify two wheeled powered vehicles with tires larger than 11" as motorcycles, which need to be registered and licensed.
@@burkejohnson4539 so have a 10.5 inch wheel diameter... lol. Im glad my state doesnt have any laws on them, and I hope it stays that way for a while, but I hope that people that use E-Scooters can abide by the traffic laws as a scooter/bicyclist.
Good video. Some interesting points. In addition a display that can be read in the sun, the 10x, zero 9 are hopeless, same with M365 etc. One of my drivers to get the mantis pro was the eye3 throttle display unit..
Bro so on point on ur video this is a dilemma that I go thru everyday. Sometimes I get discouraged on riding it love the ride but the worrying all the things u just mentioned makes u think about it twice. Thank for video
There are good reasons why the last century there have been developed dozens of bicycles types (folded, mountain, with suspension) with and without powersupport, and regular scooters/mopeds/motorbikes, and stabilised Segway concepts. The small scooters you're reviewing in this channel are derived from toys (steps) for children and to be used in urban settings. Steps for adults use big wheels, which makes them lose the advantage of compactness and portability. Demanding to use this type of vehicle concept on long distances, all weather, safely, comfortably and off-road with high speeds, is almost like...asking a brick to fly and not being able to break a window. If you fulfill all of the future desired features, you might end up with a more or less regular e-bike/e-motorbike, with a seat (who wants to stand up straight while commuting longer distances..?), larger wheels, storage space, etc, etc..
The Emove Cruisers tubeless tires and low speeds, allows it to be one of the best scooter's at it's respective price points. Couple that with a water resistant rating and, in my opinion it is worth it. (🤔 Still love high speed scooter's though)
Tire changes does suck. I haven't had a flat in over 500 miles since changing to the "hybrid" 10" tires (the stock 10" tires on most scooters are extremely thin and easy to puncture) and using the super expensive tire sealant (which I tested and it did seal a large hole that standard tire slime could not seal). Tubeless tires don't offer greatly increased puncture protection vs well sealed tubes (tubeless offers better pinch flat protection but most scooter flats are from punctures, not pinches). Main advantage of tubeless (mountain bikers know this) is lighter weight and the ability to run at lower pressure for greater off road traction. Changing a tubeless tire is massively more difficult than replacing a bad tube (for my mountain bike its not even possible to inflate a new tubeless tire without a special pump that can push air in super fast). Tubeless tires still require tire sealant and the sealant needs to be refilled on a regular schedule (at least this is the case with quality mountain bikes). I managed to get a pinch flat on brand new tubeless tires on my Trek mountain bike about an hour into the first ride. I then found that I couldn't fix the tire without specialized tools and even worse a pinch flat in a tubeless tire normally means the tire is now destroyed and a new bike tire for my Trek was $100 vs $5 for a tube. I'll take tubes over tubeless any day, but many disagree. What everyone should agree on is the facts about what tubeless really offers vs tubes.
My scooter has 11" wheels. 90/65-6.5.. Ive seen up to 13 inch wheels on a scooter. but youre right, larger wheels are definitely mandatory when going fast.. Every bump or pothole i hit i have a mini heart attack wondering if itll bottom out my suspension and/or pop a tire, or even stop me dead in my tracks and i flip over the handlebars.. When i ride with the seat it makes it less nerve wracking but id still prefer larger wheels.. Huge even depending on the terrain.. 16", even 20" tires that are still wide like dirt scooter tires with full large suspension. Thats my number one complaint about scooters nowadays.
1. a good IP rating mandatory 2. road legality + removal of rental-scooter ( they are E-waste and get treated terribly and give the vehicle a bad reputation ) 3. self-healing tires and good build quality mandatory. repairability must be easy. 4.Turn signals that are actually easy to see and day lights 5. Long range mandatory ( at least 50 REAL km so that would mean 100km advertised ( realistic range is often the written range cut by 50%)
Well thought out and insightful. A welcome change from the ubiquitous review and ride videos. Btw, I had the same problem with changing the tires on my sons scooter… a pair of motorcycle tire levers worked well and had more leverage.
I’m looking forward to seeing bigger companies join in and start producing their own versions - Audi, Mercedes, Apple ..... Tesla. I think the next 5 years are going to be golden for e scooters! Great vids 👍🏼👍🏼
They're not gonna make road-illegal e-scooters... The best you'll see from them are kiddy 15.5 mph ones like the Xiaomi. Mercedes already made 1 and there's not much improvement.
I really want to get a powerful scooter, something like the Zero 10x. 1000w dual motor, suspension, and off road tires. With the intention to tear up some trails at 30+mph but I just couldn’t see spending more than a grand before shipping. Seeing as all the scooters that have that set up are all above that I’ve just been sitting to the side. But seeing these videos really wants to get one sense summer is right around the corner. I hope one of the start ups from kick starter makes some big jumps that will lower the price or make it feel like I’m getting my money’s worth
Ever tried armordilloz for a flat? Good stuff. Most holes will plug themselves without you even realizing it. Got my first flat on my euc and didn't wanna go through the hassle of disassembling my wheel to fix it so I just ordered some put it in there and it worked great. I was pretty apprehensive towards tire sealants since slime has failed me before but I gave armordilloz a shot cause it was specifically designed for pevs and uses these feather like rubber particulates rather than the round granules you see in other tire sealants and I swear by the stuff now.
Weight and the ability to handle hills are my main concern where scooters are concerned. I walk a lot of the places I travel to locally so being faster than walking is a win for me. Thus raw speed is one of my lower criteria as I think it's covered. I like the idea of a replaceable battery option. I can carry a fully charged spare in a backpack and double my range.
Very good video with excellent points. You have pretty much described the difference between what are still simply toys & what could be proper transportation. Your observations almost exactly mirror my reluctance to thus far purchase an electric scooter. I love the portability, practicality, & low maintenance vs larger combustible engine scooters or full size electric scooters for that matter. The idea of bringing my scoot inside with me or on public transit is a huge selling point. Until the standup electric kick & non kick scooter companies address all the issues you brought up, they will forever remain toys & not proper transportation. Especially the waterproof issue, wheel/tire size & parts standardization are also key factors. They already make them fast enough & no doubt longer life batteries are soon to come.
The bigger powerful scooters need to take notes from the rental scooter market. The display should be installed in the middle, there should be a way more responsive throttle (with option to chose between finger, thumb or wrist actuated), wires should be routed inside the scooter, and all electric components need to be waterproof. Also, electrical connectors should be on the outside to make it easier to swap components.
One thing I would like to see changed is the kickstand - most are ttoo short or placed in the wrong location. I’d like to see a dual stand that raises the rear tire off the ground. That would offer more stability, easier to work on the back end of the scooter, and add a few moments of safety from someone trying to jump on the scooter and take off.
Excellent constructive suggestions! Slacker head angles and larger tires can give a more stable high speed ride, but add weight and reduce low speed maneuverability. A few scooters do have 11" - 13" tires, but these all weigh well over 100 pounds. The lack of waterproofed electronics is simply irresponsible manufacturing as is the lack of visible turn signals on most models. I'd like internal alarm and gps options, too. I'm surprised you gave stem assemblies a pass, as I have rarely seen such failure-prone kludges used so widely as in the folding stems on almost all scooters.
I agree 200% especially the wheel size and fork angle or rake. I'd like to see 13 inch wheels for any fast scooters the standard. The Dualtron City is a good example, with 15 inch wheels. This to me would be the most important change manufacturers could work on. I noticed the new Inmotion RS has a pronounced angle in the control stalk. Looks more controllable and comfortable. Great video. Thank you.
Lol no. Go tubeless. All the advantages of tubes with almost zero flats. And when you do get one it takes only a tire plug on the side of the road, 1 minute job.
The water proof issue is my biggest concern. My S2 says to avoid water more than .72 inches or some shit... I'm afraid to ride it unless we're in a drought.
Great video man! Hopefully you’ll get to experience 11 inch tires one of these days. They are not 10% better than 11 inch it is more like a 50% difference in ride quality and durability. You are correct about tubes, I am in the process of replacing all of my 11 inch tube tires with higher quality tubeless. If there is a scooter that is comfortable and relatively durable at high speeds with 10 inch tube tires it would be the Dualtron 2 and Eagle Pro. That design has been around for a long time successfully. If you were ever in Los Angeles California we can do a collaboration and you can ride my DTs 😎
There's a ton of videos showing how to make your escooter waterproof ;) It requires opening a deck tho... Here in Poland we have lots of certified sellers where You can order waterproofing without loosing the guarantee :) It costs about 50-60$
Great great video! So true about pneumatic tires and tire sizes. The thought process about pneumatic tires being better than tubeless tires because of increased traction and dampening was all fine and good until I got a flat on the 8" front tire of my Emove Cruiser going down a small hill, and went flying over the handlebars. I went home licking my wounds and put a tubeless tire on. I never had a problem with it again, and I rode it in the rain...(until the rear drum brakes seized). But new suspensions greatly reduce road shock quite sufficiently. Maybe Pneumatic tires are slightly better but not at the risk of injury. If I had to guess I'd say most of this issue has to do with money. I'm sure the cost of new tires and tooling will cut into company profits by increasing manufacturing costs. But if offered a good high end scooter with quality airless tires over pneumatic ones.. .well let's just say it would be a Huge selling point.
You did'nt mention for the tail lights and indicators in the high performance scooters (for 25mph+). Maybe for you is not that important but i'm pretty sure the majority of the scooter drivers (on high performance scooters) want it as standard. I wish to be one the future changes that
All scooter companies should use interchangeable upgradable parts for example if I wanted to put suspension on a scooter that didn’t have it I could just order a front suspension fork from rev rides or whatever and put it on or tires from a wide wheel pro on a zero ten x just by ordering the parts without making mods
i know its the nature of design but there has to be a way to increase range on these machines. paying well over 4000 usd for a product that will only get u a range of 70km is just not enough, its simply not enough. i know conditions and driving style plays a big role but at those prices, range anxiety should be non-existent!
I think a lot of manufacturers are happy to maintain a bad market. They want people to want an escooter, know they can't afford a proper one, go for one within their budget, and ultimately be stuck with a bad product that they can't maintain.
The point is, make a customizable e scooter with these ideas as options, because in today’s world you might get some but not all the features you prefer. I’m having such a hard time picking a new scooter For this exact reason, I’m like oh, it has that and that too, plus it does this, but man! I really wish it came with or could have that feature. When it comes to picking your poison I believe less maintenance is the way.
Do you think the 10” tubeless pneumatic tires on the Emove Cruiser are reason enough to get it over the Vsett 9+? The 9+ has dual motors and some other perks, but I’m curious if you think the tubeless tires on the Cruiser are enough to make it a better pick. Either will provide enough range for me and the cruiser is a bit less expensive.
Differently agree with the 12" wheels, the makers have to stop living in the past when they go thier first scooter, tiny fun times, they grew up the scooters didn't.
There’s also laws in a lot of places that don’t allow over 10” wheels for these to be considered electric scooters instead of mopeds and require registration/license/insurance/etc
I started watching this assuming you'd be moaning about nothing but these are absolutely spot on. I can't understand people who like tubed tires. I ride my bike tubeless because tubes are an archaic technology. They shouldn't be on new products like scooters.
In my opinion most important for scooter users and community 1.build quality 2.distance 3.And I think most popular would be scooters 1000w( that's legal limit in most of the countries ) and good combination of power and economy.But is no choice at all ..or if you found scooter with 1kw is incompatible with points 1 and 2. If you know good quality and good range 1kw scooter please tell me
Really thinking about buying the eMove Cruiser. Just trying to justify that price! Is is worth it in your opinion? The distance capability on that scooter is outrageous!
Well I have a Dualtron Eagle Pro let me give a shout out to the Emove cruiser. They are headed in the right direction in terms of ipx rating as their scooters are water resistant. If they ever make a hyper scooter that does 60 mph and sports dual motors I will be first in line to buy. They actually listen to their customers so just go look at the 2022 Emove scooter.
Yeah, but with smaller wheels you get better torque and quicker acceleration. With a larger wheel you need more powerful motors to achieve the same effect, which adds weight and cost. Weekly flats must have been terrible.
I have got 11 inch tubeless tyres on my Quickwheel Explorer and they feel much better than the 10 inch tyres. As for the rain. I always ride my scooters in the rain and never had trouble. It's strange you getting so many punctures. Are you riding in the gutter? Very unusual to get that many punctures
I’d like to see stability improvements bigger tires slightly wider all terrain tires because street tires suck going over grass, rough concrete and asphalt and run flat tires so if u get a flat too far from home to walk and not on a bus route the tire will be strong enough to hold up to get u home and easier to change tires waterproofing and interchangeable parts and upgradability
What is your opinion on Obarter X5 and X3? Its a 12inch tyre scooter found on Banggood. It also has an IP54 rating. This will be my first scooter purchase but i am experienced with driving them. Thank you in advance ,also i like your scooter content! Cya around
1 it might be impractical to ryde a suters in the snows in mist cercumstanzes in some places because it only snows for 3 monthes per year rather than paying for parts and tools you might want to get a snowscuter which is on 2 skis dependong how high the snow gets there however. if you have the extrre money to splurge you would invest in 2 things for your scuter large baloon or sand tyres for larger wheles
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Stem angle and wheel size are incredibly important. A straight 90° stem angle is something I want to see, because when trying to use a cup holder on my electric scooter, the angle of the stem tips all of my drinks backwards. Potholes are a major problem as well with smaller wheels, with my rear wheel at 8 inches and the front hub motor wheel at a minute 5.5 inches. Dual suspension helps but the size of the wheels still isn't enough to clear larger potholes.
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Waterproof...yessss. Not just for riding in the rain, but properly cleaning and maintaining the scooter.
Good point, I definitely should have included that!
@@RK9Rides I am reluctant to even take mine off road because of the tedious cleaning process without water. Great video!
@@RK9Rides Apollo’s Ghost is IP54 waterproof, seems like they at least watched part of this (full disclosure I have a Ghost on backorder)
@@jacklong9619 Emove Cruiser is IPX67 water resistant. I live in an area that rains a lot and I have gone through heavy rain and puddles (not on purpose) and it is unphased.
The wheels are smaller in size to make it easier for the electric motors to spin up, the larger the tires, the more torque requiired to get it moving - which then translates to a bigger battery due to the extra load on take off. i can see there being a higher top speed with larger tires due to obvious reasons - how ever i bet they use the 8-10inch tires because thats whats readily available and they are stuck in there ways. a 1ft diameter tire starts to seem a little large in my opinion but then again i think its mostly the scooter manufactures found something thats acceptable 90% of the time. goood video man
Huge yes to #5, standardized parts.
I called six bike shops for some maint work on my scooter and NONE of them would take an electric scooter's business, even for a flat tire. They are a pain to maintain because nothing is standard yet.
you nailed it. Those small wheels and geometry is the biggest obstacle for me in getting one. I can do some DIY waterproofing myself but it should be waterproofed from factory. ..this disc brake replacement through cable is utterly ridiculous. What was the designer thinking?
Nice viewpoints there bud. Got my kugoo g2 pro a couple months back. I live in Scotland UK so rain is par for the course. I wash and dry my scoot each time I get back from a run cause mud. This is definitely a hands on hobby. Love it tho, 52y old kid, scooting for the love of it. Stay safe folks.
66 year young rider - cleaning is a pain - keeps me from riding on sloppy days. Snow and melt off are part of the weather 5-6 months a year
I’m very vain when it comes to cleaning and keeping in a ready to go state. Like a tuned race machine 🤪
I have watched hundreds of scooters videos. I own two scooters myself. This is the best video I have ever seen. I literally will not even consider Apollo scooters because of their lack of solid tires or tubeless tires on their best scooters. There is no excuse for any scooter to have anything less than 10 inch tires. Being worried that it might drizzle out and ruin any part of a scooter is not something a consumer should have to worry about. I think in the future people are going to laugh at the fact that we were driving these electric scooters with 8 inch wheels. Excellent video.
All good points. I would add 2 more, from my personal experience :
1. Option to have a fixed non-foldable steerer (or stem, as it's commonly - and erroneously - referred to in the e-scooter world). Especially on the heavy weight e-scooters, I cannot see the utility of a foldable steerer. It's not like you're gonna fold it and take it up a flight of stairs, then tuck it under some desk.
2. Adjustable handlebar height. This is a simple thing that can make your ride great or miserable.
Unfortunately, modern Chinese people are just executants, invention and inovation are skills they barely start to rediscover. If they don't have a good original to copy, they can only get it right by chance.
Excellent point, couldn't agree more with both points
Shipping costs are why they fold is my assumption.
@@rustilldown7 Bike manufacturers have seemed to overcome this problem from the get go
Also easier to transport in the trunk of a car when folded
I agree with everything. It blew my mind when I discovered the scooters aren't water proof. Makes no sense.
mine is waterproof and it was only $800 cad
My mi e scooter 3 is waterproof
@@mangoTV6969 fr?? Did u soak it in water?
@@TitaniumTronic I mean it resists rain
Its an electric motor and battery. of course its not waterproof.
Regarding number one, I think you're misjudging the average consumer.
Most need a last mile solution that they can put in their car, or bring with them on the bus or train. They don't need dual motor, 40mph and 60 miles range. So for them the small wheels are the perfect compromise between comfort and portability.
Well, I have used to use the Ninebot ES4 for my average commute to work, I found that I needed something else to get me into the city. I believe a lot of people who are getting into the E-Scooter scene have found out that they can be a way to get around and can be significantly cheaper than a car.
Oh my gosh finally someone said it!! Ever since I had an accident on my 10” tire scooter going 18 mph by hitting a small size rock and flying over the handlebars I’ve been thinking how I need to purchase EV’s with at least 14” tires, so I found an American company who makes scooters with 14” tires, dual suspension and off road tires. I’m gonna feel a lot safer with this kind of stability and I also like riding fast :)
Thank you for bringing up the point of tires that don't go flat. I used to go to work on my bicycle, and even though I would change the inner tube right after a flat, when I would ride it the very first day I would get another flat. it's so frustrating to know that nails do not respect brand new inner tubes. That's what stopped me from going to work on my bicycle.
I agree with these changes and mandatory upgrades. Changes I want to see on scooters wheel throttles
Spot on, 100%, especially the front end geometry. Why can't they handle like bikes?
Use some better tire sealant such as Armor-Dilloz or Flatout that can seal up to 1/2". Slime can only seal up tp 1/4". I always go with air filled tires because more grip when wet and longer range compared to solid tires. For speed wobble, you might need to install a steering damper. If you like Hiboy, you will love Ninebot Max.. because it's weatherproof, and the steering angle is perfect.
I love my ninebot. It make me want to ride any chance I get. I've never felt the end of the battery on one ride.
I completely agree with your recommended changes. Your thoughts on head angle and tire size are little talked about but are super important. The faster today’s scooters become the more of an issue this is. These aren’t kick scooters so the design that is right for that isn’t right for a 30+ mph machine. Great vid!
It would be better if scooter manufacturers built a frame around two larger 20+inch wheels. Additionally, the driver can sit between the two wheels for extra comfort. Batteries can be mounted on the frame and provide power to the rear wheel; or, better yet, use the space inside the frame to mount an engine for increased speed and torque. My invention has just revolutionized the scooter industry, incredilbe
wow....really well thought out and concise :) Totally agree, the wheel size for sure...why not 12-15" indeed, Tire Type (where does one find foam filled tires?), the geometry is so important, waterproofing living on this island is a must and love your thoughts on the upgradability...fabulous goals :) Cheers from Vancouver Island :)
Some state regulations like those where I live, in Minnesota classify two wheeled powered vehicles with tires larger than 11" as motorcycles, which need to be registered and licensed.
@@burkejohnson4539 interesting :) :) I didn't know that :)
@@burkejohnson4539 so have a 10.5 inch wheel diameter... lol. Im glad my state doesnt have any laws on them, and I hope it stays that way for a while, but I hope that people that use E-Scooters can abide by the traffic laws as a scooter/bicyclist.
Good video. Some interesting points. In addition a display that can be read in the sun, the 10x, zero 9 are hopeless, same with M365 etc. One of my drivers to get the mantis pro was the eye3 throttle display unit..
wow very insightful video! you should be hired to design scooters.
Ninebot max is really nice in the rain. It has good traction and the water just runs off instead of building up puddles.
Bro so on point on ur video this is a dilemma that I go thru everyday. Sometimes I get discouraged on riding it love the ride but the worrying all the things u just mentioned makes u think about it twice. Thank for video
Yeah tire size and stem angle most important.
There are good reasons why the last century there have been developed dozens of bicycles types (folded, mountain, with suspension) with and without powersupport, and regular scooters/mopeds/motorbikes, and stabilised Segway concepts.
The small scooters you're reviewing in this channel are derived from toys (steps) for children and to be used in urban settings. Steps for adults use big wheels, which makes them lose the advantage of compactness and portability.
Demanding to use this type of vehicle concept on long distances, all weather, safely, comfortably and off-road with high speeds, is almost like...asking a brick to fly and not being able to break a window. If you fulfill all of the future desired features, you might end up with a more or less regular e-bike/e-motorbike, with a seat (who wants to stand up straight while commuting longer distances..?), larger wheels, storage space, etc, etc..
The Emove Cruisers tubeless tires and low speeds, allows it to be one of the best scooter's at it's respective price points. Couple that with a water resistant rating and, in my opinion it is worth it. (🤔 Still love high speed scooter's though)
Yeah it definitely seems to have lots of good features, though I have heard mixed reviews about it. Would love to check one out myself
Tire changes does suck. I haven't had a flat in over 500 miles since changing to the "hybrid" 10" tires (the stock 10" tires on most scooters are extremely thin and easy to puncture) and using the super expensive tire sealant (which I tested and it did seal a large hole that standard tire slime could not seal). Tubeless tires don't offer greatly increased puncture protection vs well sealed tubes (tubeless offers better pinch flat protection but most scooter flats are from punctures, not pinches). Main advantage of tubeless (mountain bikers know this) is lighter weight and the ability to run at lower pressure for greater off road traction. Changing a tubeless tire is massively more difficult than replacing a bad tube (for my mountain bike its not even possible to inflate a new tubeless tire without a special pump that can push air in super fast). Tubeless tires still require tire sealant and the sealant needs to be refilled on a regular schedule (at least this is the case with quality mountain bikes). I managed to get a pinch flat on brand new tubeless tires on my Trek mountain bike about an hour into the first ride. I then found that I couldn't fix the tire without specialized tools and even worse a pinch flat in a tubeless tire normally means the tire is now destroyed and a new bike tire for my Trek was $100 vs $5 for a tube. I'll take tubes over tubeless any day, but many disagree. What everyone should agree on is the facts about what tubeless really offers vs tubes.
4:45 we need to get you a 12V screw gun. We also need to get you set up to start manufacturing the 'ideal' scooter!! I'm serious!
My scooter has 11" wheels. 90/65-6.5.. Ive seen up to 13 inch wheels on a scooter. but youre right, larger wheels are definitely mandatory when going fast.. Every bump or pothole i hit i have a mini heart attack wondering if itll bottom out my suspension and/or pop a tire, or even stop me dead in my tracks and i flip over the handlebars.. When i ride with the seat it makes it less nerve wracking but id still prefer larger wheels.. Huge even depending on the terrain.. 16", even 20" tires that are still wide like dirt scooter tires with full large suspension. Thats my number one complaint about scooters nowadays.
1. a good IP rating mandatory
2. road legality + removal of rental-scooter ( they are E-waste and get treated terribly and give the vehicle a bad reputation )
3. self-healing tires and good build quality mandatory. repairability must be easy.
4.Turn signals that are actually easy to see and day lights
5. Long range mandatory ( at least 50 REAL km so that would mean 100km advertised ( realistic range is often the written range cut by 50%)
Ive had a smaller 20 mph scooter for a while and just bought an upgrade with 13 INCH TIRES 72 v battery and 45 ah.
Well thought out and insightful. A welcome change from the ubiquitous review and ride videos. Btw, I had the same problem with changing the tires on my sons scooter… a pair of motorcycle tire levers worked well and had more leverage.
I’m looking forward to seeing bigger companies join in and start producing their own versions - Audi, Mercedes, Apple ..... Tesla.
I think the next 5 years are going to be golden for e scooters!
Great vids 👍🏼👍🏼
They're not gonna make road-illegal e-scooters... The best you'll see from them are kiddy 15.5 mph ones like the Xiaomi. Mercedes already made 1 and there's not much improvement.
I really want to get a powerful scooter, something like the Zero 10x. 1000w dual motor, suspension, and off road tires. With the intention to tear up some trails at 30+mph but I just couldn’t see spending more than a grand before shipping. Seeing as all the scooters that have that set up are all above that I’ve just been sitting to the side. But seeing these videos really wants to get one sense summer is right around the corner. I hope one of the start ups from kick starter makes some big jumps that will lower the price or make it feel like I’m getting my money’s worth
Ever tried armordilloz for a flat? Good stuff. Most holes will plug themselves without you even realizing it. Got my first flat on my euc and didn't wanna go through the hassle of disassembling my wheel to fix it so I just ordered some put it in there and it worked great. I was pretty apprehensive towards tire sealants since slime has failed me before but I gave armordilloz a shot cause it was specifically designed for pevs and uses these feather like rubber particulates rather than the round granules you see in other tire sealants and I swear by the stuff now.
Weight and the ability to handle hills are my main concern where scooters are concerned. I walk a lot of the places I travel to locally so being faster than walking is a win for me. Thus raw speed is one of my lower criteria as I think it's covered. I like the idea of a replaceable battery option. I can carry a fully charged spare in a backpack and double my range.
Thank you for the content. I am searching out what kind of scooter to get and your videos are VERY helpful! Cheers from MN
Very good video with excellent points. You have pretty much described the difference between what are still simply toys & what could be proper transportation. Your observations almost exactly mirror my reluctance to thus far purchase an electric scooter. I love the portability, practicality, & low maintenance vs larger combustible engine scooters or full size electric scooters for that matter. The idea of bringing my scoot inside with me or on public transit is a huge selling point.
Until the standup electric kick & non kick scooter companies address all the issues you brought up, they will forever remain toys & not proper transportation. Especially the waterproof issue, wheel/tire size & parts standardization are also key factors. They already make them fast enough & no doubt longer life batteries are soon to come.
The bigger powerful scooters need to take notes from the rental scooter market. The display should be installed in the middle, there should be a way more responsive throttle (with option to chose between finger, thumb or wrist actuated), wires should be routed inside the scooter, and all electric components need to be waterproof. Also, electrical connectors should be on the outside to make it easier to swap components.
An option for changing distribution of power between rear and front motors in dual motor scooters, just like some sport AWD cars
One thing I would like to see changed is the kickstand - most are ttoo short or placed in the wrong location. I’d like to see a dual stand that raises the rear tire off the ground. That would offer more stability, easier to work on the back end of the scooter, and add a few moments of safety from someone trying to jump on the scooter and take off.
Fantastic video man. I agree with your inputs. Let’s hope for some positive changes in the near future for the scooter community.
Excellent constructive suggestions! Slacker head angles and larger tires can give a more stable high speed ride, but add weight and reduce low
speed maneuverability. A few scooters do have 11" - 13" tires, but these all weigh well over 100 pounds. The lack of waterproofed electronics is
simply irresponsible manufacturing as is the lack of visible turn signals on most models. I'd like internal alarm and gps options, too. I'm surprised you gave stem assemblies a pass, as I have rarely seen such failure-prone kludges used so widely as in the folding stems on almost all scooters.
Sounds like you nailed it. For me, 12' solid tires could still manage most pot holes well.
I agree 200% especially the wheel size and fork angle or rake. I'd like to see 13 inch wheels for any fast scooters the standard. The Dualtron City is a good example, with 15 inch wheels. This to me would be the most important change manufacturers could work on. I noticed the new Inmotion RS has a pronounced angle in the control stalk. Looks more controllable and comfortable. Great video. Thank you.
im shocked how good my foam filled solid tire is on my mantis 10. should be default from factory. a must.
Lol no. Go tubeless. All the advantages of tubes with almost zero flats. And when you do get one it takes only a tire plug on the side of the road, 1 minute job.
@@slick1908 what
@De Rossi Where did you purchase the foam tires for your mantis?
Where did u bought it from ?pls
I’ve been thinking exactly the same things myself. I want 18” wheels min and slack head angle especially.
get on bike then
LOL - that's 2" larger than my cycle wheels.
I think what you meant when you mentioned steering angle is actually wheel caster that you want to improve.
The water proof issue is my biggest concern. My S2 says to avoid water more than .72 inches or some shit... I'm afraid to ride it unless we're in a drought.
Great video man! Hopefully you’ll get to experience 11 inch tires one of these days. They are not 10% better than 11 inch it is more like a 50% difference in ride quality and durability. You are correct about tubes, I am in the process of replacing all of my 11 inch tube tires with higher quality tubeless. If there is a scooter that is comfortable and relatively durable at high speeds with 10 inch tube tires it would be the Dualtron 2 and Eagle Pro. That design has been around for a long time successfully. If you were ever in Los Angeles California we can do a collaboration and you can ride my DTs 😎
I'm glad I've never experienced 11 inches lol.
There's a ton of videos showing how to make your escooter waterproof ;) It requires opening a deck tho... Here in Poland we have lots of certified sellers where You can order waterproofing without loosing the guarantee :) It costs about 50-60$
I have my first e scooter coming on Thursday and the wheel size is 6.5 inches solid, now I'm kinda scared I'll fly off on a tiny rock
Great great video! So true about pneumatic tires and tire sizes. The thought process about pneumatic tires being better than tubeless tires because of increased traction and dampening was all fine and good until I got a flat on the 8" front tire of my Emove Cruiser going down a small hill, and went flying over the handlebars. I went home licking my wounds and put a tubeless tire on. I never had a problem with it again, and I rode it in the rain...(until the rear drum brakes seized). But new suspensions greatly reduce road shock quite sufficiently. Maybe Pneumatic tires are slightly better but not at the risk of injury. If I had to guess I'd say most of this issue has to do with money. I'm sure the cost of new tires and tooling will cut into company profits by increasing manufacturing costs. But if offered a good high end scooter with quality airless tires over pneumatic ones.. .well let's just say it would be a Huge selling point.
5:13 Use warm soapy water, with bigger metal tyre iron's, and that tyre will come off, If you have a G-Clamp use that to compress the tyre in reserve
Well first I'd like to see you keep up the good work the industry obviously needs you Well we do the consumer. Help us! Thank you
You did'nt mention for the tail lights and indicators in the high performance scooters (for 25mph+). Maybe for you is not that important but i'm pretty sure the majority of the scooter drivers (on high performance scooters) want it as standard. I wish to be one the future changes that
I love your vids bro.
All scooter companies should use interchangeable upgradable parts for example if I wanted to put suspension on a scooter that didn’t have it I could just order a front suspension fork from rev rides or whatever and put it on or tires from a wide wheel pro on a zero ten x just by ordering the parts without making mods
Some one hire this guy already. He is saying what all of us are saying. He has the right ideas. I want that eagle and I will have it.
Could you please tell me where I could buy the 10 inch foam core tire for my zero 10x
Excellent points! Tire size and getting flats constantly are my issues.
i know its the nature of design but there has to be a way to increase range on these machines. paying well over 4000 usd for a product that will only get u a range of 70km is just not enough, its simply not enough. i know conditions and driving style plays a big role but at those prices, range anxiety should be non-existent!
My Blade 9 Scooter has tubeless pneumatic tyres, enjoying it so far
I think a lot of manufacturers are happy to maintain a bad market.
They want people to want an escooter, know they can't afford a proper one, go for one within their budget, and ultimately be stuck with a bad product that they can't maintain.
The point is, make a customizable e scooter with these ideas as options, because in today’s world you might get some but not all the features you prefer. I’m having such a hard time picking a new scooter For this exact reason, I’m like oh, it has that and that too, plus it does this, but man! I really wish it came with or could have that feature. When it comes to picking your poison I believe less maintenance is the way.
12" solid or foam tube would rock. Even on the smaller m365 clones
I heard the Varla it's battery isn't removable. How long it will last before dies? How many charging cycles?
Then what?
Thanks.
Do you think the 10” tubeless pneumatic tires on the Emove Cruiser are reason enough to get it over the Vsett 9+? The 9+ has dual motors and some other perks, but I’m curious if you think the tubeless tires on the Cruiser are enough to make it a better pick. Either will provide enough range for me and the cruiser is a bit less expensive.
Differently agree with the 12" wheels, the makers have to stop living in the past when they go thier first scooter, tiny fun times, they grew up the scooters didn't.
Damn, I just watched this video and then read all 121 comments and I don’t even own a scooter! I’ve never even ridden one with a motor! Sheesh!
There’s also laws in a lot of places that don’t allow over 10” wheels for these to be considered electric scooters instead of mopeds and require registration/license/insurance/etc
Have you had any problems with the kaabo mantis display center. I can not turn mine on.
I started watching this assuming you'd be moaning about nothing but these are absolutely spot on. I can't understand people who like tubed tires. I ride my bike tubeless because tubes are an archaic technology. They shouldn't be on new products like scooters.
At 4:00= YEAH the honeycomb tires THOSE ARE THE BEST!! That's what I have!
In my opinion most important for scooter users and community
1.build quality
2.distance
3.And I think most popular would be scooters 1000w( that's legal limit in most of the countries ) and good combination of power and economy.But is no choice at all ..or if you found scooter with 1kw is incompatible with points 1 and 2. If you know good quality and good range 1kw scooter please tell me
Great video. Agree with all points made!
I hope the designers listen to you someday
More wattage on the battery would be nice
Tire size and grip for sure. Tad bigger, wider, and grip that's reliable.
800 miles on my eMove Cruiser and I have not had a single flat. I guess its working then.
Really thinking about buying the eMove Cruiser. Just trying to justify that price! Is is worth it in your opinion? The distance capability on that scooter is outrageous!
@@Stingrey2812 they actually increased the motor to 1,000 watts. I think now it’s by far the best deal in scooters. The value is unbeatable.
@@TheTinRam what’s the going cost?
The Cruiser? Is still $1,400. There is a 7% off coupon to bring it down to $1,300 though.
Well I have a Dualtron Eagle Pro let me give a shout out to the Emove cruiser. They are headed in the right direction in terms of ipx rating as their scooters are water resistant.
If they ever make a hyper scooter that does 60 mph and sports dual motors I will be first in line to buy.
They actually listen to their customers so just go look at the 2022 Emove scooter.
Yeah, but with smaller wheels you get better torque and quicker acceleration. With a larger wheel you need more powerful motors to achieve the same effect, which adds weight and cost. Weekly flats must have been terrible.
I have got 11 inch tubeless tyres on my Quickwheel Explorer and they feel much better than the 10 inch tyres. As for the rain. I always ride my scooters in the rain and never had trouble. It's strange you getting so many punctures. Are you riding in the gutter? Very unusual to get that many punctures
And add a horn to it as well. Like the Wolf king GT pro so why not at it to the Apollo phantom v3 & the v4 for next year
I’d like to see stability improvements bigger tires slightly wider all terrain tires because street tires suck going over grass, rough concrete and asphalt and run flat tires so if u get a flat too far from home to walk and not on a bus route the tire will be strong enough to hold up to get u home and easier to change tires waterproofing and interchangeable parts and upgradability
what's more, even water protected scooter's manual informs "do not ride in rain"
Pedals and chain and moving handlebars for emergency range? I forget what they're called.
Where do we get the foam tires?
I don't know why they don't make all what bike MTB industry already has.
Try nanrobot D6+ idk the specs but I think it’s a great size
Waterproof is such needed
Hey @rk9rides if you find any seat for the mantis that you can add on let me know. Thank you! Nice videos🙌🏻
What is your opinion on Obarter X5 and X3? Its a 12inch tyre scooter found on Banggood. It also has an IP54 rating. This will be my first scooter purchase but i am experienced with driving them. Thank you in advance ,also i like your scooter content! Cya around
Amen!
Riders might use air blow straw from air compressor to blow scooters dry up after riding in wet weather.
Most strange problem for me is flat tires. For 4500 km I had it twice. And my ways not the same as those roads on video.
1 it might be impractical to ryde a suters in the snows in mist cercumstanzes in some places because it only snows for 3 monthes per year rather than paying for parts and tools you might want to get a snowscuter which is on 2 skis dependong how high the snow gets there however. if you have the extrre money to splurge you would invest in 2 things for your scuter large baloon or sand tyres for larger wheles
hey enjoy ur channel Here's an idea, design a scooter that u think is ideal for practical daily use. I think many will submit comments based on ur plan!
New to the electric scooter scene here so I might just be ignorant, but wouldn't increased tire size lead to reduction in range?
Do you have an reccs for tubeless or foam filled tires (10"/Eagle One)???
Stem angle and wheel size are incredibly important. A straight 90° stem angle is something I want to see, because when trying to use a cup holder on my electric scooter, the angle of the stem tips all of my drinks backwards. Potholes are a major problem as well with smaller wheels, with my rear wheel at 8 inches and the front hub motor wheel at a minute 5.5 inches. Dual suspension helps but the size of the wheels still isn't enough to clear larger potholes.