Yeah it's such a cool way to write them into the story, and it's more than just slapping the name onto a robot too. The writer clearly knew and loved real life aircraft.
Not only the tsf but also the Manufacturers (sometimes to a hilarious effect due to legal issues), and engines. There are many development and deployment parallels made as well. Someone really knew his fighter jets when writing about these details
@@dudududu19263000 black su-75 of vladimir vladimirovitch putin It's so stealthy you can't even see them being produced! Paired with the kuznetsov aircraft carrier and its Permanent Tactical Smokscreen Dispenser (PTSD) it might as well be invisible to weak f-35 and rafale!
>be American diplomat in the Muv Luv Alternative universe >trying my best to hold up delicate alliances between dozens of countries to hold back the Alien menace >gotta make everyone happy while juggling all these requests for TSFs, ammo and fuel from America, which nobody wants but everyone needs because we have been less than honest with "our allies" (we kinda fucked them over a few times? ) >go to TSF designers´ expo show, be happy to see all these super-cool mechs >Lockweed Mardin/Boening reveal the F-22 >the main selling point of the thing is that radars cannot detect it, that sounds pretty cool! >wait >the aliens don´t use radar >also it´s not designed to fight in the hives, but only in open ground, with small arms, so it cannot take down lots of BETA but... it can down TSFs no problem >and we are not selling this thing, it´s for US only? >start sweating g-bombs as the other diplomats slowly turn to stare at me
Yeah I always found the idea of the F-22 funny in this regard. Like every other nation is trying to figure out how to better fight the BETA. Meanwhile the US is just thinking about how to assert dominance over its allies.
@@applepie4287 I'm sure most countries would rather have US strategic dominance than Russian or Chinese. Due to our (generally) lower tendency to enslave, suppress, or generally murder various populations.
i still recall in game how F-22 was feared by enemy TSF until i saw the anime adaptation and realized how they are really dangerous against the coup forces.
Yeah the anime really puts into perspective how epic these TSFs actually are. I think that's why they really work as mecha. Most mecha in anime are treated like the ultimate, probably beam or missile spamming powerhouses. But TSFs are kind of underpowered, as they're cool and effective, just not good enough to win the war. So then comes the F-22, wrecking house and not even being the main character, and you genuinely feel like it earns its place as the fearsome machine it is because it represents the apex of their military tech.
It would be epic if the US took the F-22's active EW suite and slapped it on a Super Hornet to make the Growler, or at least give it an even bigger, fatter radar / sensor suite or an ability to make reliable transmissions under heavy metal clouds (even if its limited). Having a Growler attached to a Battalion / Squads would really suit the US's doctrine tbh
With the irl f-16, one of the main influences for the "Viper" name was Battlestar Galactica, which was airing at the time. Maybe in universe there was a Battlespace Galaxy or something with similar influences on TSM naming.
I've thought the same thing. Unlike most places in the lore, the US citizenry has enjoyed most of what it historically was able to enjoy. So we would definitely have an equivalent. There was even a reference to a recent US president being Will Clifton lol
I was also surprised to find out the US President during the Muv Luv timeline was Will Clifton because, I was writing a ML fan-fiction story and named one of my characters’ last name as Clifton because you know, Clinton. Never expected to hear his name in Total Eclipse VN, bear that in mind since it’s English VN was released in July 2022. That was when I first came across it out of coincidence.
Ok WTF mate, I had no idea this channel and the alt project had like recently blown up but honestly well deserved. You make excellent content, and I'm very happy to see you getting more views and support.
Love your work! The F22 goals never made much sense to me. Build a anti tsf fighter when the beta were defeated... but they've had zero land reclaimed from the beta...
That's why they wanted to make Alternative V a reality, because they believed that these G-bombs would completely destroy all the Hives while leaving the Earth intact, which in fact is not the case in The Day After
American TSF focus on high speed and long range fire is definitely highly effective both against the BETA and human but it heavily rely on stable supply line and large industrial capability which pose a problem when logistic become unreliable and it also create friction with US ally forces who often view the US as a bunch of coward that can't fight in CQC. Edit: The non US forces don't exactly view the US pilot as a coward but more like a bunch of spoiled rich, loud and ignorant kids whose attitude tends to rub non American pilots the wrong way.
@@visencorp6502 these opinion come from people like Japan and EU pilot who have to fight the BETA in close combat because they have to actively hold territory and they are also envious of the US military capability and resources but the US government policy and its action like constant meddling in other countries politic, don't help endear the US to the rest of the world.
Can confirm, US military personnel are often looked at as "Spoiled rich, loud and ignorant kids" by other nations. I remember a foreign officer I had to give a tour of one of our C-130's to. The look on his face when I explained that "Yes, all of our aircraft can be flown under NVIS" was one of "Damn Gucci boys".
You roll your eyes at the sight of them, but breathe a sigh of relief when they light up your enemies. Then afterwards you shake hands and have a few drinks with them. That's just how the US military rolls lol
i was expecting the F-35 on the end of the Video but F-22 make do. also would be so cool to see F-15 E with the well Cypher and Pixy color scheme while F-22 with mobius squadron.
Bro, imagine if we had a Muv-Luv X Ace Combat crossover. Cipher, Blaze, Mobius, and every other AC protag would be absolute monsters behind the controls of a TSF.
It's interesting how similar/close to the actual aircraft production history the TSF is. I already just liked muv-luv, but now I have an even higher respect for the writing and world building. Also, my guy if I could I would so be a patron......😢
Ah don't stress it, your comments and likes have taken me pretty far! But yeah, the worldbuilding leaves me speechless with how intelligently and thoroughly it was done
Your vids as well as the recent release of the "Muv-Luv Dimensions" game has really helped in scratching that 'TSF Itch' us MuvLuv fans have been having for years.
These are well done. Just as a heads up, ATACMS is typically pronounced at-uh-cams, and CIWS is typically see-whiz. Because the Pentagon kinda sucks at naming stuff with acronyms...
See the Americans get it, more gun is always the best solution. Even if you have to hold ground, rather than devoting mass to blades and reinforced arms and stuff bring more bigger guns. If they are still getting close bring a friend who has just as many guns, it’s a defensive war, ammunition will only really be an issue if you do something silly like only build one factory.
Yeah I prefer the American style, but the frontline nations use blades primarily because their logistics can't keep pace with the degree of fighting they do. So they plan for inconsistent ammo and fuel resupply via fuel efficient designs and close quarters combat. All of these demands are amplified when doing hive capture operations, which frontline nations plan to do in order to reclaim their lost countries...and it's something the US has mostly written off due to failures in the past. Ironically, the US has the right logistics for a good hive capture operation, and the frontline nations have the better experience and tactics, but neither really want to synergize the two because of the political baggage that comes with doing things the American/Japanese/Russian/etc way.
I've talked to people before about splicing in Ace Combat dialogue while making a short fan VN using the sprites from Muv Luv. Mobius One and ISAF taking down a bunch of BETA in TSFs would be a cool one
I'm new to Muv Luv, but as a military nerd, I'm curious if there's an F117 Nighthawk-inspired TSF, it was introduced in 1981 IRL, so it should fit in Muv Luv, right? It would be cool if there were a Lockweed Mardin F117 Nighthawk TSF.
Sadly I can't find it anywhere. In the lore, I think F-22 was the first stealth craft. Maybe it's because the F-117 was more of an attack craft and there was no way to convincingly write about how the US needed a stealthy TSA. It might be an actual plane though, as bombers and transports like the B-1 Lancer and C-5 Galaxy are depicted being used in their real life roles
@@yamamotomechbattles I see. Thank you for your response. Indeed, the F117 is not really a fighter in real life, but damn, I can't help imagining a black TSF or TSA F117 Nighthawk with a sharp triangular design.
Thanks for the video. I dropped the series where the f22 was introduced since I didn't like it too much. One of my biggest questions that bugged was why did the TSF have stealth technology when the BETA didn't have radar. Now I know.
Thanks, glad I could clarify it. The adaptation was quite rushed, as the VN tends to have A LOT of technical and military details that can't be effectively covered in seasonal anime format. But yeah, the politics behind weapon design is one of biggest factors the creator wanted to incorporate into his mecha
I cant wait for you to cover the , European ones like the Rafale , EF Typhoon and the JAS 39 Gripen,also will there be TSF based on the attack helicopters like the AH64 Apache and the Eurocopter Tiger?
Helicopters and bombers remain the same as in real life, it's mostly the fighters and attackers that were developed to fight BETA. So there are shots of the Apache and the Hind providing air support when the skies are cleared
there are still helicopters used against BETA, from Hinds, Havoc and Alligator to Apache and Cobra. There this Defense of Yokohama hive where Apache helicopters rain hell as they try to defend the base but as the landing pads got overan they have to resupply in nearby bases. Also Tanks exist too
The F22 Raptor is what I like to call "Being Strong/Built for the Wrong Reasons". Ah America, even with a world ending calamity on your doorstep you still try and succeed at out doing your fellow man. Also I find it weird that American Combat Doctrine focused on Mid - Long Range Combat and Bombardment yet they never developed a Support Cannon like the Japanese Type-87 Support Assault Cannon for long range sharpshooting.
Good ol' USA. I phrased it the way we would too "defend its interests", as in...fight for oil...I mean, G-Elements...I mean, freedom from the BETA. In the codex, the AMWS-21 has a long barrel you can attach to make it into a support cannon. It was supposed to resemble the Barrett .50 cal I think. Kouki said a lot of this stuff never left the concept stage because they simply wouldn't be using the assets that much, but they still exist in universe.
@yamamotomechbattles ah that's good to know. Can't wait to see the other nations TSF's. Especially the Russians, they have some pretty unique designs and cool paint jobs.
If it’s real life or this anime universe, I always want to see more of the Black Widow !!!!! Also, wonder why this universe didn’t use the F-117 nighthawk.. seeing how it’s the father of the F22. Or the SR 71 blackbird .. that’s the grandad of Skunkworkz projects leading into stealth
Yeah true. I think it might be because bombers are still used as bombers, and in lore it wouldn't make sense for the US to want the F-117 as a stealth TSA, lumbering around but invisible for some reason. Anyway, Black Widow will be in the next part for sure!
So, as a retired Air Force officer, I have a few issues with details about a few of these mechs. First of all, the YF-22 was superior in close-range BFM to the YF-23. The YF-23 was stealthier, and excelled at BVR (long range) combat. Interestingly, the JDF has used the BVR-focused YF-23 as the basis of their own 6th gen fighter currently in development, the Mitsubishi F-X (aka: F-3). Further, the idea that the US is focused on long-range combat seems....wrong. If you look at our doctrines vs other nations, we are fucking obsessed with close range combat. Our troops and aircraft excel best when right up on an enemy, such as aerial dogfighting in BFM combat, or getting infantry into close combat and engaging in one of the various battle drills (namely Battle Drill 6). Further, our special forces are strangely obsessed with pulling off edged-weapon kills against enemy combatants. And given that they are working with *Imperial* Japan (as opposed to Democratic Japan), it should be noted that the USMC dominated the IJA in hand-to-hand, with the exception of the rare officer or NCO with a sword who could match the physically much larger, better trained, and better equipped KABAR wielding crayon-munchers. Usually a hand-to-hand fight between US troops and Japanese troops ended in US victory, or massive casualties to the engaged squads/platoons. So, the idea that the US eschews close combat is really, really weird, especially given the type of enemy they're fighting. The US would likely have TSFs more focused with extreme damage at close range paired with larger support fighters / attackers / "bombers" that dumped ordinance on the enemy from just behind the front line of battle. The melee weapons of choice would probably so numerous as to be pilot-preference, affording options including various types of swords (lots of options, but mainly sabers), short swords (the US would steal the Wakizashi / shoto concept, or use a gladius-like thing), tomahawks (a special forces and infantry specialty, proven for breaching utility in GWoT), machetes (loved in Vietnam, Pacific, and Latin/South American theaters in many conflicts), KABAR-like knives for Marines (classic), karambits (for those who got really close, like the F-16), M9 bayonets (cheap option for Army reserves, kinda like the CIWS options shown), and extendable batons (for internal security). In many ways, the US has *more* of a capacity for and tradition of melee combat than even the IJA did, and that *grew* during GWoT. So, yeah, I really don't get what the creators of Muv Luv Alternative were thinking when they made the US a non-melee focused military....and in making the doctrines of the Army, Navy, and Marines all basically the same. Also, why doesn't the Air Force use TSFs? You'd thing the USAF (and all other air forces) would have adapted to the new paradigm rather than get relegated to non-combat and support roles only when Laser Class BETA weren't around, and would *at least* have their Security Forces and various special operation forces (pararescue, special tactics, weather jumpers, etc) equipped with TSFs, if not various main-line units as well that could provide additional strike capability to US Army and Navy assets, like large bomber-type TSBs in the form of the B-1 Lancer, B-2 Spirit, and B-21 Raider (similar to the use of the XB-70 Valkyrie)....I assume the B-52 would exist as an aircraft similarly to the Tu-95 Bear, and would still be in operation.
For the YF-22 vs YF-23, yeah it's kind of known in the fandom that the capabilities were backwards. In the Total Eclipse spin off, it's evident that the Japanese creator absolutely loved the YF-23 and probably wanted its characteristics to be more melee-centered and heroic to line up with its purpose in that story. I don't disagree that Americans love their melee combat. Lord knows there's always the tomahawk guy in every infantry unit. Although any time I trained in CQB, the go to move was not to engage in combatives or pull a knife, but to gain distance and use your rifle. Here though, I think the Muv Luv US doctrine is based on two real world observations. The first is that the US military is incredibly risk-averse, and in lore, their civilian government heavily prioritizes making sure Americans don't get killed in combat. They suffered heavy losses during the moon campaign and the decades in Europe, so the leadership -- just like in real life -- have a bad day when US losses occur even if a mission succeeds. That is their number one priority, and so funding will always go to projects that fall in line with it. A personally cynical take of mine on these politicians is that it's not really about the lives and how their soldiers see it, it's about avoiding the bad day. The second is that their long-range preference is a historical reference to the F-4 Phantom and how the US military was so confident that dogfights were irrelevant, they never bothered to give it a gun until they learned that dogfights were, in fact, not irrelevant. So while I wish to see more Americans who enjoy melee combat, I also appreciate the writer's historical allusion. As for the Air Force, it really is odd how they fit in. Surface Pilots trace their heritage back to Air Force fighter pilots, but over time, they found that infantry training and tactics were far more beneficial to TSFs. So both Air Force and Army practices were combined, and I guess the Army was chosen as the better fit to integrate them. The Air Force still flies the B-1B and the B-52, and these are called in for carpet bombing when skies are cleared. And yeah, they mostly fly transports so air mobility is their focus. They tried to get funding for a project against the F-35 at one point, I forgot what specifically, but I think it had to do with their belief that the TSF would be irrelevant in human conflicts (which is a in-lore belief by many). I think, with how the XB-70 was incorporated as the XG-70 and saw success in this setting, it'd be cool to see America decide to revisit the concept and design the B-2 as a stealth version, the next gen hive busting super weapon or something.
@@yamamotomechbattles Okay, so real question here....what can a TSF do that an AH-64 or AH-1 can't do? They fly at similar speeds and altitudes. TSFs can land and make themselves *more* vulnerable, and generally have to leave their cockpits to do anything on the ground (as opposed to, say, what a 40k Dreadnought could do with its own hands), attack helos have longer loiter time, and heavier weapons. Like, I love this concept, but I don't think they justified the mech-ification of Air Force planes very well. If the TSFs were a fair bit smaller, could fight both within and from within buildings meant for normal people, could themselves burrow or fight underwater, or held any other number of improved capabilities, I could see them strongly justified, but they're the size of two fighter jets with 1/10th the capability. If they're meant to fill a role between fighter jet, attack helo, armor, IFV, and infantry, then it needs the small size and adaptability of infantry, the speed of a fighter, the loiter time of a helo, the protection and firepower of a light tank, and the infantry fire support capability of an IFV. Really, they're just too large for what they do. Also, wouldn't the advent of stealth technology, as used in the F-22. F-15SE, and YF-23 basically cause the threat from Laser-class to be reduced enough to employ traditional aircraft against the BETA? The rules of "you can't shoot what you can't see" apply to light-speed weapons as much as traditional ADA.
@@gunraptor The key behind their design is that they work best against the Laser and Heavy Laser class of BETA. Helicopters don't have the mobility to go to ground fast enough to evade laser fire, and even if they did, they wouldn't have the means to dodge, shoot, or generally fight off the swarms that would immediately close in around them. The lasers are as precise as looking at something and then blinking, but strangely these strains are known to prioritize their targets. They go for manned airborne vehicles first, followed closely by anything they can see with high tech in it, and then standard airborne objects such as rockets or artillery shells. Oddly, they will never fire if they might harm another BETA, so they rarely aim low because usually the area around them is covered in other, larger BETA. Lore-wise, the TSF was heavily criticized and suffered extreme losses when first used, because it was used in more static, defensive roles and the above lessons had not been discovered. But the doctrine that solidified its role was laser suppression -- namely, a squadron would rush into a BETA herd at NOE flight to get to the slower laser class at the back, wipe them out, and then take to the skies while air and arty rotate in. It's obviously very dangerous, and other tactics are used to help them do this, such as shooting artillery and missiles in the air to draw laser fire, or designing said munitions to detonate into "heavy metal clouds" (chemical reaction, mercury based, of some sort, iirc) when intercepted so as to better dissipate laser fire. Plus getting in close with the BETA but still having a fighting chance at that range would also keep the Lasers from firing due to your proximity to other strains. It's the versatility and speed at which they do this that makes them viable. They can switch to whatever role they need to, rather than being heavily confined. That being said, that creates drawbacks as well -- in The Day After storyline, a battalion or so of TSFs struggled to fight four TSAs acting as SAM sites. On top of that, MBTs and even self propelled anti-air guns can do a number on a pack of advancing BETA (they just can't run away and reestablish a good position if overtaken). Attack helicopters are relied on just as much, but can only be there once the skies are cleared. Mechanized infantry (in lore term, using powered exoskeletons) exist in large numbers but are sadly, rarely shown in battle so far. TSFs are essentially the jack of all trades, master of none...but the only ones capable of switching roles as needed when in the middle of a BETA swarm. As for stealth, it only deceives radar and electronic systems used by humans. The BETA still have an uncanny ability to detect technology and will converge toward it to eat or destroy, so the Raptor will always be just another giant robot completely visible in their eyes. EDIT: Just adding that TSFs carry 2000 36mm rounds in each assault cannon, with each carrying 6 120mm rounds in an attached launcher as well. They can carry up to four assault cannons, along with extra magazines, so they have much more firepower to burn through than an attack helo as well
An interesting note about the competition between the YF-22 and YF-23 is, unlike in the show, in real life the YF-22 was actually MORE maneuverable. Why they changed this in the show. . I don't know. Maybe to make it seem more surprising they chose the YF-22 over the YF-23?
I think Kouki was a huge fan of the YF-23, as when its mentioned in the Total Eclipse vn, it's almost treated with this legendary or mythical respect. Plus, its design is a bit more...heroic than the Raptor, as it thrives in melee like all the good Japanese boys do in Muv Luv. So I just think it's writer's preference, but one that was disciplined enough to also respect how history played out and also pay homage to the F-22 as well
@@yamamotomechbattles Interesting. If he is a 'fanboy' of the YF-23, this revision would make more sense. I can commend that. Still, it's fascinating. The F-22 in reality was arguably the better aircraft. It's fascinating that there was recent controversy in the US government over an inability to acquire new frames in light of the Ukraine War and tensions in the pacific. That said, the US Airforce is working on the Next Generation Air Dominance program to produce a 6th generation fighter that will eventually replace the F-22. I quietly hope we will see that translate into the Muv Luv universe. I would love to see how that turns out.
@@yamamotomechbattles I know it's going to be absolutely insane once we actually get more details on what the NGAD is and what it is capable to accomplish. Along with other 6th generation plans such as the navy's FA/XX program or the GCAP Tempest program which Japan has recently joined in on.
I've been waiting for this video for a long time ! Awesome work ! Your videos makes it easier for me to understand the lore of the machines more. Can't wait for a Black Widow video ! If you do decide to make a reimagined series, You should make an alternate timeline where both the Raptor and Black Widow became full production machines but the Raptor is in service within the US Army and the Black Widow is in service in the US Space Force or maybe in this universe, The US Air Force decided they want a TSF Branch focusing on Laserjagd and close combat similar to the 666th squadron. There is this Fanfic called Muv-Luv : Comet where in this story, Yuuya is part of the US Space Force and an Orbital Diver. But they don't just infiltrate hives, the Orbital Divers are also a quick reaction force for conventional units where they become a force multiplier in a combat zone. Looking forward to more videos !
There's always so many cool fanfiction ideas. I'll be sure to check it out soon. Yuuya's my boy! The Black Widow and Raptor fighting side by side would be life as God intended lol
@@yamamotomechbattles True ! The Muv luv Black Widow has such a cool design. I mean if you do decide to make a reimagined series, it's basically a fanfiction in a way. A reimagined muv-luv world where the raptor and black widow are fighting side by side each other. That would be something to see. An Idea for your reimagined series : Imagine the air force decided to make a TSF branch dedicated to fulfill the close combat doctrine with their main machine the Black widow and strike eagles. But Also working closely with space force. So essentially, the air force provides pilots while the space force provides transportation. In a way It's like the navy and marines. So this new unit is basically the 666th squadron with a mixture of orbital divers. Imagine ODST from Halo but robots instead and they don't just focus on hive infiltration but also as a quick reaction force for conventional forces fighting beta dropping in the middle of a beta Herd and flanking them. Just throwing out a few ideas ! As always Awesome work with the videos !
Im quite new to this franchise/universe, but im wondering, wouldnt a Rod of God type of weapon been better to destroy or heavy damage the BETA hives, since nukes are out of question, and humans have spacefaring capabilities but the BETA don't, also i doubt the laser or heavy laser class would try to counter it, since is just a piece of metal at high velocity.
From what I know ROG are considerably more expensive and harder to deploy than nukes and while there is no fallout the damage and side effects from one is pretty bad too. And the laser class will absolutely target the ROG it’s just they prioritize humans and or anything with advanced tech inside first.
they actually do employ those but not in the way you might think, TSF Divers actually make use of a special reentry pod, that reentry pod is made out of heavy metals, with the express purpose to do 3 things, Protect the TSF on reentry, Get shot at by the Beta which in turn evaporates the reentry pod which then results in the creation of a heavy metal dust cloud that dampens the Laser class' effect and lastly if they arent shot down, they literally act as the Rod's of God, which is their 3rd and final roll in order to clear the immediate landing zone of beta, as well as expose tunnels that would lead into the hive cluster effectively shortening time in order to infiltrate the hive. The alternative thing that they do is actually rain down sub-projectiles from HSSTs (space shuttles that either carry munitions for surface bombardment or TSF bays that contain the TSF and reentry pod), these sub munitions either contain fragmentaiton/cluster etc, or Anti laser munitions which are essentially containers that are filled with heavy metal dusts, and are meant to be shot at by the Laser class in order to dampen their lasers in prelude to an orbital drop, as well as to help get other munitions through to hit the bombardment area. This was showcased both on Muv-Luv Alternative's VN and Anime adaptation, i recommend you go watch the anime, but for more detail go dive into the VN which has the full details that the anime purposefully skips out on.
@@jbj2283 I don't think the price tag is an issue, if they can make lots of TSF's and even deploy them from space or use said TSF's to fight other humans while BETA's still alive,,making a space station that drops pieces of metal and let gravity do the rest, seem cheaper. When i said about use their use, is for heavly or totally controled areas by the BETA like middle of Asia or Europe, also as you said and im aware of the same laser class BETA's focus more manned or computarized vehicles or projectiles, so a piece of tungsten moving a high velocity is neither of those and probably to fast for them to focus i think. English not my 1st language, pardon me for any mistakes.
@@Frost-01thank you for this reply, it was by off chance i descovered this franchise, and i got instantly hooked, ignore my other reply i didnt see yours.
Not 100% sure if this is correct, but just what I've gathered. The BETA are consistently bringing out new strains over time to counter Humanity. First the Laser, then the Heavy Laser which can target suborbital enemies, and then the Fort Laser which I'm not sure of it's capabilities. One thing made very clear, especially in Total Eclipse is humanity is extremely reliant on low orbit, cheap recon satellites. Without them, the BETA would practically be able to do what they want. I can't remember if this was an actual conversation or not in TE, but this is what I got from it. There is a concern that should anyone start dropping ordinance on the BETA from orbit, the BETA will start working towards targeting orbital platforms. Meaning you may kill a hive or two if you're lucky, but you've also lost all satellites, orbital divers, hyper-sonic transports, and anything else. They do make a point to talk about since no satellite has ever attacked the BETA, the BETA have never considered them a threat. Hence why they still use recon sats.
There is side content that covers it, Exogularity. Although its place in the canon is only somewhat accepted. For the most part, 3rd Gen is the most advanced.
Great video. I was thinking how they could continue the timeline after the good ending from MLA. Watching this video got me thinking. They could tell a story about the nations and sovereignty over the once occupied lands. Reconstruction and the different interest groups involved with it. Maybe turn this into a kind of Gundam OO type of story but with a ML flare. After all is said and done, the US has two aces up it's sleeve, the f22 and gbombs. Nations are not gonna like the US leading or controlling the reconstruction effforts. Just a thought.
Yep, it's such a huge plot point. Everybody has started talking about the "post-BETA world" even though the war hasn't been won. It sounds dumb, and it kind of is because the BETA are winning, but honestly, the post-BETA world will likely be a thing. Humans are going to turn on each other once again, so a story like that would fit right into the timeline.
@@bluekashus2499 I'm sure in the long term they are figuring out a means to eliminate them. Alt 4 is likely to propose more XG-70 variants for the task, which is explored in Exogularity (which imo is speculative more than canon). But short term, the expansive wasteland of Eurasia will have to be stabilized first
Well I love the TSFIA shorts that show what happens during Sledgehammer and such, especially seeing the Valkyries once again. I'd enjoy seeing more of the Shiranui Second and what Yuuya gets up to. All I know about Integrate is that artwork that shows Latrova, Akane, and likely Ilfriede and Gretel. Exogularity though, is not my favorite. It's neat, but the newer gens it presents start to get OP, which is the opposite of why I enjoy TSFs to begin with. They have flaws and can't do everything perfectly, even if they do it well. That means it's up to the pilots to figure out how to compensate, and to truly know what their machine can and can't do. It's a "system" in a sci-fi/fantasy story that has to be mastered and the rules can't be disrespected unless you know what you're doing.
@@yamamotomechbattles I get you, I read a bit about Exogularity and things like the Rutherford fields are a very odd direction to take TSFs, tanking hits is against their design philosophy and straight up resolves the reason air superiority was phased out. I get the feeling it'll get parts retconned by Integrate because of certain promotional arts set on Earth. I'd also like to see what Yuuya's up to, the ending of Total Eclipse leaves a lot of room for speculation. There's material for a short story following those events.
@@drakenzahn9149 My guess is that he goes to Yokohama and meets Yuuko. Inia and Kasumi would also get to meet. Yuuko is really the only one who can keep Alt 3 members alive, and seems to care about Kasumi's wellbeing despite how she presents herself. Being around Yuuko is also a good way to keep Yuuya safe, as well as in Japan where Yui can probably visit him. I think she was the one "pulling his strings" after a while, and so she's the one he said would have to work for it in order to keep pulling them. It's the best place for a new story tbh
@@yamamotomechbattles That's what I'm inclined towards to, too. As you said, there's plenty of reasons he'd go to Yuuko, and I could be pushing the speculation here but I can see a follow up story line being followed in Integrate.
There's a high chance Exogolurity will be retconned in the future, 8th TSF will probably be downgraded in power levels to show that even if they're powerful they still get oneshoted or more likely the beta will adapt and make 8th TSF look powerful but still not up to match towards new beta strains
I don't think it's said anywhere that they did. But my guess is that after the battle, the US was still present on the peninsula, so maybe they dispatched their troops to recover what classified material they could? Because for some reason it was cool for Irma's wreck to remain in Japan long enough for Miki to visit and leave flowers. So either the US forgot and Japan could have a look, it was left for dramatic purposes, or the most classified components were recovered and the debris left behind.
@@yamamotomechbattles Could've sent some guys by helicopter to burn them with thermite? I mean it's what I'd do if they couldn't be recovered in a somewhat timely manner.
@@servicerifle16 Agreed. I think it was just left there for narrative purposes, to reflect Tamase's connection and bond with people outside of Japan, much like her father being part of the UN
the F-22... Do you mean the APEX PREDATOR OF THE SKIES. The 3-0 Raptor that is so absolutly terrifying to enemy air that they ground their fighters when they are in the AO...The Same F-22 that was built in the 90's and is still top dog? The same F-22 Raptor that helps Iranian Pilots evacuate their bowels "YA REALLY OUTTA GO HOME" The F-22 that takes on 4 F-16's, shit pumps them mid air and lands before a F-14 finishes its pre flight check? The same F-22 who's little brother just Top Gun'ed some commie J20's?...... THE GREATEST AIRCRAFT IN EXISTANCE F-22? THAT F-22?!!?!?!?!
Yep, the codex even mentions how it was a decade old design that was so forward-thinking it was still the best TSF when it rolled out in 2001. Even though plot magic led to a few getting downed, the story paid its proper dues by showing it putting in the work and terrifying its formerly cocky opponents
@30:28 you mention that the 66th TAB is out of "Langley, VA." It seems you're confusing Joint Base Langley-Eustis (formerly the USAF's Langley AFB and the US Army's Fort Eustis) in Hampton, VA (the home of the First Fighter Wing, Headquarters for Air Combat Command, and one of the main homes of the F-22 Raptor) with Langley, VA (the location of the CIA's headquarters). These two locations are on opposite ends of Virginia, but to those who have never been there are probably easy to confuse.
Hey I'm loving your responses, and thanks for the real world knowledge. I don't know how the MLA world's US military organizes their bases, but I think a lot of it is lost in translation from Japanese to English as well. Nellis is called, on different sources online, an Army or an Air Force Base. Edwards AFB is still Edwards AFB, JB Lewis-McChord is still Fort Lewis (as it was when the work it appeared in was written). JB Elmendorf-Richardson is called Anchorage Base. As for the 66th, the wiki states they are from the "US Army's Langley Base" and the codex simply says "Langley, Virginia". I never knew the two bases were so far apart, but we do know that the CIA has a huge influence over the 66th, and they were easily able to plant an agent into their ranks and presumably give pre-mission post-hypnotic cues to another pilot to make them act on the CIA's behalf. Perhaps the writer didn't know the difference, or combined the two for this world in order to get things to work.
@@yamamotomechbattles Well, there is no military base in Langley, VA. It just has the CIA headquarters. The closer base would be Andrews AFB south of DC (iirc). But Camp Peary (aka: "the Farm") is quite close to Langley AFB (I'm just calling it that, as that's what it was most of my life), so it's not like the CIA would have to so much as buy a plane ticket to visit Langley AFB. Not to mention that the various three-letters have facilities everywhere, and are quite friendly with the military (both socially and administratively), so in the MLA universe let's just say that Langley and Eustis forming JB Langley Eustis caused lead to an ever growing mega-base as Navy, AF, Army, Marine, Coast Guard, Space Force, and even contractor facilities all started getting added into the massive complex up until the point that it reached Langley, VA, and the CIA headquarters was eventually added into this massive, monolithic defense complex stretching all up and down the US Easter Seaboard. Plot hole filled, and comically juxtaposed to reality. On that note, I kinda hate the disrespect this series gives to the CIA. I've barely seen any of it, and they paint the CIA as unambiguously evil, rather than, you know, providing the geopol and capabilities analysis required to beat the BETA and prevent global collapse following the successful containment of the BETA. Like, against that kind of enemy, and with Eurasia in ruins, their funding would likely be cut hugely in favor of the military, and pilots would probably fuck up anyone who attempted shady MKULTRA shit on them...with a modest chance of out-spooking the spooks who were trying to use them. But, the writers of this series don't really seem to understand the US...or their own....military very well beyond Wikipedia and a few books they got ahold of....they probably understand better than many Americans, admittedly, but it's still a bit on the level of "why didn't you hire military consultants to help you with your world building?"
@@gunraptor That's a good way to reason it, and I agree that the CIA could definitely be explored with a bit more nuance. There was another agency in Total Eclipse that I can't recall, but based on their perspective, it seemed like they all had their own minor squabbles and disagreements among each agency. Since the story involves a Cold War that has persisted into the 2000s, I don't mind that the CIA has its own degree of shadiness to match what the Soviets do to their people. The writer loved his spy thriller conspiracies, and since I love stories like the Jason Bourne series, I'm content to see the CIA being bad guys. But as for the military aspect, I appreciate the writer doing their research and getting far closer to the bullseye than the vast majority of sci-fi or fantasy writers I've read. That being said, the most egregious sin is how everyone salutes all the freaking time in the VN. I was once at Tyndall meeting a friend who was an ABM, and learned that among all the Captains, Majors, and Lieutenants running around, nobody salutes because there are just way too damn many of them walking around.
I don't know lol I'm a perfectionist who dives deep into the lore and prioritizes getting everything right, as well as including interesting side details. So it takes time to write all of it up, record it, and all
Yeah that or the SR-71 would make for interesting mech designs and purposes. Although, it's likely it would've remained a proper aircraft in this world
@@yamamotomechbattles I do wonder what the creators of Muv-Luv Alternative will do when newer, next generation aircraft are released. Like the rumored F-36 program and the NGAD program.
Yeah just like the F-18 it can equip the Muv Luv world's version of the ATACMS, which uses vertically launched missiles to bombard targets at range. Basically just empty the container of missiles and then purge it. Apparently, it can lock onto aerial targets like TSFs as well
In Muv Luv, the Lavi uses the F-16 as a base and then is built into its own craft from there. In universe, I think the Chinese also helped them and so some parts resemble the J-10 as well (which also uses the F-16 as a base).
@@yamamotomechbattles okay it's looks like an f16 in irl so yeah but o my god Israel still exist in that universe they are very resilient even tho there country is small.
I think he has a video on the battle where they were lost. Although it doesn't go into specifics I would assume the in lore reason would be that the f22 were overwhelmed by the amount of enemies. Also they were fighting a defensive battle as the had to cover the retreat of the Japanese emperor. Stealth can only do so much when you can't pick your fight and the enemy is expecting you. There may also be an element of CIA sabotage but his video mostly covers how the battles went so not sure. As for out of universe reasons, well you can't have the Japanese getting their butts kicked to hard by the Americans since it is an anime. You will notice in the series Japan does have plot armor to an extent. Its not too much but it does get irritating at times.
@@applepie4287 What? The Raptors were literally kicking the Japanese rebels' asses until they had a 7:1 kill ratio, which means that even if they have a large number of kills, a few Raptors must be killed in action, indicating that they are strong but not invincible. This was before the deal with Captain Sagiri failed and the situation became worse. In addition to Capt. Sagiri being a highly skilled surface pilot, CIA sabotage resulting in the death of Major Walken and his traitorous subordinates caused three more Raptors to go down. If it weren't for the sabotage, the rebels would be easier to put down
Specifically in that instance, it was kind of plot contrivance, but the enemy pilot was also an ace in his own regard. Plus, they were outnumbered and defending a VIP and rookie pilots. But the main thing was that one of the F-22 pilots was a CIA agent who overrode the commander, used a post-hypnotic cue (think Starship Troopers novel style) to take over another Raptor pilot, and started wreaking havoc during peace talks. Once the commander figured it out, he didn't realized his weapons had been locked. The agent was shot down before he could be made to confess the truth, and then Major Walken was attacked by Sagiri while covering the MC's escape...not knowing his weapons didn't work until it was too late. At least that's the anime version, and somewhat the implied situation from the VN.
i got a Question in an Theoraticle Fight who would wind a Mass Prducd MS like the Zaku Dom Jinn or any other Mass Prdouced MS against n TSF Mass Prdoced like the F-22 Raptor or the Takemikazuchi i don"t want to include Gundasm because this Would be unfair at times Like with the Barbatos the Nu and High nu Gundam
It depends. MS have larger caliber weapons and better defense. TSFs are about as durable as modern day aircraft, so they can't take much fire. But TSFs are much faster, even if their weapons are weaker than a Zaku or Jinn. It comes down to the pilot -- the MS pilot only needs to hit the TSF once, the TSF pilot needs to avoid getting hit and must deliver a 120mm or longblade attack into the MS' cockpit (where armor is likely weakest). Raptor would do well in this regard, but I can't imagine showering a Zaku in 36mm would do much, so it needs to close in.
@@yamamotomechbattles so you come to the same Conclusen as Me i also fought of that i just wanted an Opinion of an Lore expert and if one of the Muv Luv States would ever get a hand on an MS there Technologie would rise fst
@@kevinbaumhoer7359 True, Minovsky Particles would completely enhance TSF design, but they'd be OP for sure. I like that TSFs have clear drawbacks that need to be taken into consideration
I mean.. f15 f 16 and f18 should get more fame considering they’ve seen battles F22 irl only what? Took down a balloon in all his years of service ? Air to ground battle doesn’t work that they have to keep upgrading f15 f18 to do the job f22 can’t do.
I agree completely. The workhorses are the ones that get the job done. That's the point with the TSFs, the F-22 is cool and the best anti-TSF machine, but the F-15 is the most widely used and is expected to remain relevant for decades because of how easy it is to upgrade.
One thing that's never made much sense to me is the weapon caliber. What do you mean 36mm? That doesn't even exist! At least use 37mm or 40mm if you want to make parallels with real world weapons. Plus i never bought the fact it's just a 36mm autocanon, if you look at a bradley's autocanon it's very thin and a TSF is like 18 meter tall, the math just doesn't add up the canon on every artwork is waaaaay oversized it looks closer to 75mm or 88mm or even 100mm than it does 36. On the topic of jank caliber the sniper rifle in unlimited is supposedly *1500mm* that makes NO SENSE whatsoever, are you telling me this gun is almost twice as big as the largest caliber on the planet the 80 *CM* schwerer gustav?????? This is literally insane. Finally i must say 36mm as the standard ammo is just kind of underwhelming? You've all seen that bradley firing on a T90 in ukraine, the rounds were bouncing off the crew of the T90 retreated because it's part that were sensible that had been targeted but otherwise the tank was fine. Betas like the grappler being shotdown by a dozen 36mm round just seem underwhelming idk you expect 15 meter tall murder machine to resist pea shooters. Similarly only having 6 120mm seems pathetic firepower-wise for an advanced sci fi mecha that's 18 meter tall, at least make it 155mm so that you have a mobile artillery gun if you only want 6 rounds. As it stands tanks carry so much more firepower pound for pound than a TSF and the 120mm is basically useless due to how low the ammo count is, let the tank handle the 120 and go full on with the 36 on your mechas the 120 is just needlessly overcomplicating the gun design and what is it gonna be used for? Lasers and grapplers get mowed down easy by 36, 120 is useless against destroyers and fort are 66 meters what do you expect to do with 6 freaking rounds? Your entire team is gonna use its entire 120 stash to kill like 2 (maybe) and then you're out of juice. Idk i think tsf weapons need to be upscaled quite dramatically to make them credible against ennemies like the beta, i just want you to picture 6 tanks shooting at godzilla (who varies in size from 50 to 100 meters between versions) and then tell me with a straight face it's enough to kill it... It's ridiculous right? Something like 57/155 mm is a bit more credible for the threat posed by the beta and if you want to get degenerate 75/203 sounds like a great stop before you go in big naval gun territory. (Although 100/254mm or 120/305mm would be very based and rule of cool pilled) One of my complaints with the muv luv setting is the over representation of tsf, their main appeal is MOBILITY, let the firepower be handled by other elements. there is a distinct lack of combined arms warfare in muv luv because tsf end up doing most of the action, while i can understand for infantry (only somewhat though ATGMs would be quite good and a standard issue anti material/sniper rifle/grenade launcher for tank, soldier and warrior class which are only a little over 2 meter in height would do a good job) tanks and light vehicles should be more represented instead of being considered meat shield. I mean they literally have the same firepower a TSF has. i feel like the writers deliberatly wrote other arms off which is a little sad, instead of being a jack of all master of all, it would've been more interesting to see TSF as another niche against the betas instead of the all in one they are, maybe they are vanguard that thin out a horde of their smaller and less armored strains and when the beta reach the main line they encounter an unholy amount of steel and gunpowder. Because realistically it's much easier to upscale ammo and ammo storage on a wheeled or tracked plateform than a legged one. Although if i go this far we start questionning the efficacy of mechas and we arrive to the conclusion that mecha suck and tanks are objectively superior in every way so let's not go there. What makes modern warfare so interesting is that if you don't cover ALL your bases you're basically screwed, there is no wunderwaffe to win a war. I would like tanks/TSF/IFV combined arms, it just makes sense and is more interesting from a military nerding perspective than mechs beat all imo.
Yeah the cannons on the guns always seemed a bit big to me as well. It would be cool and make sense for them to be scaled up. I think perhaps for the time it was made, the creator saw those numbers as being adequate and not too overpowered. As for combined arms, those are a regular part of the battles on multiple occasions, so I can't exactly say that Muv Luv doesn't focus on it or that mecha are depicted as the only useful thing. Tanks, IFVs, and even SPAAGs are used to contain the enemy, and in lore they are noted as having more firepower than TSFs in this regard. Their problem is that they can't reposition to another battle line once they are in danger of being overrun. As a result, arty and CAS are used to thin out advancing herds to prevent that. These are negated by lasers, which sit at the back like AA weapons and can't easily be shot. It's possible to counter battery, but their numbers and interception rate is good enough to make it more wasteful than effective. So Lasers must then be neutralized by the TSFs, who are mobile; they can fly but also stand on the ground and have decent firepower for the job. Like aircraft, they don't actually have a ton of ordnance to expend (though they do have more than a fighter jet would). They're really only meant to get in and blow up all the lasers; then once the air is clear for flight, they go up and back to resupply while arty and air cover their retreat. If they aren't doing this, then they are supplementing the battle lines. It's rarely that clean, but that's all standard doctrine for Muv Luv. Even the resupply factor means that they heavily rely on logistic units doing their part. The whole process is combined arms. In the side novels for Schwarzesmarken, following Jurgen Bernhard, (Bernhard im Schatten) it goes over how he discovered these tactics early in the war and refined them to become standard doctrine worldwide.
@@yamamotomechbattles i actually haven't read much on muv luv beside the stuff inside the main trilogy and a few wiki trivias so it is entirely possible that i was blowing the lack of combined arms warfare out of proportion. I just remember that while tank exist, the only time they're really mentionned in alternative is to show they stand no chances, iirc the first ever hive infiltration by the ussr used early tsf and tanks and takeru notes that having your main force composed of tanks is a death sentence so i extrapolated that tanks had become useless through tidbits like this. Honestly stoked to know the authors thought about that and aknowledged that tanks had superior firepower. It does make sense that we don't really get to see this in alternative since takeru knows jack about this world. It's pretty incredible the amount of military nerding that went into creating this world, i wish gate was 1/10th as good as muv luv instead of being your typical isekai harem but with a propaganda premium to make the usual formula even more unpalatable. Edit: it's true the creators might have believed the caliber to be adequate in the context of the early 2000, i mean MBT irl are moving toward 130/140mm instead of the current 120 standard, who knows one day in the 41st millenium we may get a MBT with a pion 203mm for main armamement lol
@@pougetguillaume4632 i mean the 36mm is a chain gun isn't it?(id have to go find the reference from wherever it is lol) The barrel is meant to represent the cover of it? i feel like the weapon scales are relatively believable too,I don't think a 2000 round semi or full auto cannon can bleed through that much(in the visual novels the SFX are quite clearly chaingun) while the anime uses the near same SFX it is kind of staggered,so my point here maybe false. Bradleys 20mm is still pretty big. Upscale it to 36mm and you look at the art too,the barrels are thick,with a small ish hole. art is also a terrible pov,and maybe the anime didn't do a good job as you stated. but generally IMO 36mm is seemingly good enough. And to piggyback off what Yamamoto said(sorry mate I'm sure this phrasing will bring back memories AHAH) There is ALOT of combined arms in Muv Luv (if you watch The alternative projects video "what are TSFs" that is also voiced by our boy here,there's some IMO pretty good clarity on some points you brang up.(not all but it'll assist in the understanding) I would also say the anime an such doesn't depict the ground forces as well or as much as they should but looking at a lot of lore an such as a whole ,as Yamamoto said there is quite a fair bit of it and the whole process is combined arms. just my unasked 2cents lol.
Gun is gun, even 36mm is enough to kill something Sort of like how people say .22 is a peashooter but it’s still perfectly capable to kill Beta is mostly flesh, it 36mm can penetrate then there’s no reason to go higher, also the Bradley vs t90 example is dumb
Are BETA vulnerable to DEW as much as they are kinetics? I've often wondered what would happen if humanity in this universe had more advanced weaponry down to even the infantry level. Like infantry plasma weapons or if the BETA were resistant to such attacks Gauss and rail guns.
The BETA resources have been used to create energy weapons on two occasions, both with extremely effective results. They basically just melt through the BETA, but as the BETA are drawn toward advanced technology, these weapons naturally become high value targets...BETA magnets for miles around. Otherwise, without those resources, the tech hasn't been fully researched and it seems weapons developers of that world won't create lasers the way we do, but instead would follow the path of least resistance and create them based on the above weapons.
@@yamamotomechbattles i figured if they scaled down and distributed the weaponry enough amongst the troops on all fronts it would end up evening out in how the BETA pursue them. Though hopefully with fewer casualties
@@DarkElfLover Yeah, as more hives can be captured, more of the weaponry can be developed. Speculative works have kind of explored how TSF designs and future conflicts might play out based on this tech
@@DarkElfLoverSome strains of BETA can be killed my small arms fire heck you can kill a soldier class with a pistol if you hit it right even punching it
@@joshuajoaquin5099 oh I've no doubt with how weak the soldier and warrior classes are but i am more concerned for tank grappler and destroyer class ones. But I'm more thinking XCOM enemy within lasers or plasma rifles. Or if thats too much rail guns and coilguns like XCOM 2.
It is a great tragedy lol I think they never have a good enough budget to make it as good as it needs to be. The story is too ambitious to be told with the typical 12-episode cour set up.
Haha yeah the Soviets are shifty troublemakers even in this setting. The rest of the world...well they are the ones suffering and fighting, the US is fighting too, but not suffering as much.
they did...and everything went to hell when the G-bombs made the planet inhabitable in almost continents in exchange to erase the hives, but they where underwater anyways if i'm not wrong
It's been said many times already but I love that the tsf are named and based on real life jets
Yeah America jet 👍👍👍
Can't wait for the SU-75 "Femboy"
Yeah it's such a cool way to write them into the story, and it's more than just slapping the name onto a robot too. The writer clearly knew and loved real life aircraft.
Not only the tsf but also the Manufacturers (sometimes to a hilarious effect due to legal issues), and engines. There are many development and deployment parallels made as well. Someone really knew his fighter jets when writing about these details
@@dudududu19263000 black su-75 of vladimir vladimirovitch putin
It's so stealthy you can't even see them being produced! Paired with the kuznetsov aircraft carrier and its Permanent Tactical Smokscreen Dispenser (PTSD) it might as well be invisible to weak f-35 and rafale!
>be American diplomat in the Muv Luv Alternative universe
>trying my best to hold up delicate alliances between dozens of countries to hold back the Alien menace
>gotta make everyone happy while juggling all these requests for TSFs, ammo and fuel from America, which nobody wants but everyone needs because we have been less than honest with "our allies" (we kinda fucked them over a few times? )
>go to TSF designers´ expo show, be happy to see all these super-cool mechs
>Lockweed Mardin/Boening reveal the F-22
>the main selling point of the thing is that radars cannot detect it, that sounds pretty cool!
>wait
>the aliens don´t use radar
>also it´s not designed to fight in the hives, but only in open ground, with small arms, so it cannot take down lots of BETA but... it can down TSFs no problem
>and we are not selling this thing, it´s for US only?
>start sweating g-bombs as the other diplomats slowly turn to stare at me
Essentially. Wherever you bring it, you're letting them know "I own you all, now go dig up G-Elements for me"
Yeah I always found the idea of the F-22 funny in this regard. Like every other nation is trying to figure out how to better fight the BETA. Meanwhile the US is just thinking about how to assert dominance over its allies.
@@applepie4287Better us than anyone else tbh
@@weaselwolf8425 I'm confused what do you mean by this?
@@applepie4287 I'm sure most countries would rather have US strategic dominance than Russian or Chinese. Due to our (generally) lower tendency to enslave, suppress, or generally murder various populations.
i still recall in game how F-22 was feared by enemy TSF until i saw the anime adaptation and realized how they are really dangerous against the coup forces.
Yeah the anime really puts into perspective how epic these TSFs actually are. I think that's why they really work as mecha. Most mecha in anime are treated like the ultimate, probably beam or missile spamming powerhouses. But TSFs are kind of underpowered, as they're cool and effective, just not good enough to win the war. So then comes the F-22, wrecking house and not even being the main character, and you genuinely feel like it earns its place as the fearsome machine it is because it represents the apex of their military tech.
@@yamamotomechbattles and they are probably still making better and cooler stuff in secret :>
It would be epic if the US took the F-22's active EW suite and slapped it on a Super Hornet to make the Growler, or at least give it an even bigger, fatter radar / sensor suite or an ability to make reliable transmissions under heavy metal clouds (even if its limited). Having a Growler attached to a Battalion / Squads would really suit the US's doctrine tbh
It makes sense, and yeah I'd love to see it. The Growler is often overlooked and not mentioned as much irl
With the irl f-16, one of the main influences for the "Viper" name was Battlestar Galactica, which was airing at the time. Maybe in universe there was a Battlespace Galaxy or something with similar influences on TSM naming.
I've thought the same thing. Unlike most places in the lore, the US citizenry has enjoyed most of what it historically was able to enjoy. So we would definitely have an equivalent. There was even a reference to a recent US president being Will Clifton lol
I was also surprised to find out the US President during the Muv Luv timeline was Will Clifton because, I was writing a ML fan-fiction story and named one of my characters’ last name as Clifton because you know, Clinton. Never expected to hear his name in Total Eclipse VN, bear that in mind since it’s English VN was released in July 2022. That was when I first came across it out of coincidence.
@@yamamotomechbattles Will there be 9/12?
@@copter2000 You mean 9/11, if I'm correct? Yes, there is an equivalent event and I'm doing a video on it rn
I love the F-18 series designs and colors, my favorite USA TSFs along with the F-22 and YF-23
Yeah ngl I was falling in love all over again while editing its clips. I used to like it the best irl when I was a kid
Second Part! Waiting for Japanese and Russians TSFs. Again Another Great Video Thanks!
I agree especially the Russian TSFs as the production is difficulties is similar to irl
Yeah those will be fun to get into! Thanks for waiting, glad you enjoyed this one
Ok WTF mate, I had no idea this channel and the alt project had like recently blown up but honestly well deserved. You make excellent content, and I'm very happy to see you getting more views and support.
Yeah it's crazy, we blew up because y'all loved the TSF lore. It's all thanks to you guys for commenting and watching all the time
Love your work! The F22 goals never made much sense to me. Build a anti tsf fighter when the beta were defeated... but they've had zero land reclaimed from the beta...
They had G-Bombs, which in 1999 proved to work. Bomb everything, kill all BETA and rule over thr ashes.
sadogashima!!!!!! oh, yeah…
The bane of humanity,always fighting each other even with the threat of extincion, as long as my rival/enemy gets clapped 1st is all good....
That's why they wanted to make Alternative V a reality, because they believed that these G-bombs would completely destroy all the Hives while leaving the Earth intact, which in fact is not the case in The Day After
It's designed by LockWEED Mardin after all. Someone on the design team was having a joints that day.
"Hold the phone" my country exist in muv-luv. To say that i'm surprised would be an understaitment.
Lol glad you guys are able to make it into the story despite the efforts of the aliens
@@yamamotomechbattles israel i a small nation but we do kick ass
Long time gunpla builder but I just got the F-15 strike eagle and F-22 raptor modle kits can't wait to build them they look amazing
That's cool. Those are good designs. Hope you have fun assembling them
First time stumbling onto your channel. Glad the ML community is still alive and kicking. Keep up the good work!
Thank you! Hell yeah, we're here to stay. There's more to come
American TSF focus on high speed and long range fire is definitely highly effective both against the BETA and human but it heavily rely on stable supply line and large industrial capability which pose a problem when logistic become unreliable and it also create friction with US ally forces who often view the US as a bunch of coward that can't fight in CQC.
Edit:
The non US forces don't exactly view the US pilot as a coward but more like a bunch of spoiled rich, loud and ignorant kids whose attitude tends to rub non American pilots the wrong way.
There is no such things as cowards in war, especially against alien monster weirdos
Sounds like a skill issues.
@@visencorp6502 these opinion come from people like Japan and EU pilot who have to fight the BETA in close combat because they have to actively hold territory and they are also envious of the US military capability and resources but the US government policy and its action like constant meddling in other countries politic, don't help endear the US to the rest of the world.
Can confirm, US military personnel are often looked at as "Spoiled rich, loud and ignorant kids" by other nations. I remember a foreign officer I had to give a tour of one of our C-130's to. The look on his face when I explained that "Yes, all of our aircraft can be flown under NVIS" was one of "Damn Gucci boys".
You roll your eyes at the sight of them, but breathe a sigh of relief when they light up your enemies. Then afterwards you shake hands and have a few drinks with them. That's just how the US military rolls lol
God I fucking love this universe, and this channel is perfectly fueling my needs for it
Glad I could deliver. It's some of the best military worldbuilding I've ever read
@@yamamotomechbattles yes definitely
i was expecting the F-35 on the end of the Video but F-22 make do.
also would be so cool to see F-15 E with the well Cypher and Pixy color scheme while F-22 with mobius squadron.
Yo that should be commissioned
@@yamamotomechbattles so does the F-35 actually exist in this universe or is 2002 still too early?
@@pugsy7658 Yes it exists, but it's still being developed and is facing a lot of difficulty and funding issues in-lore
@@yamamotomechbattlesso just like it did irl
Bro, imagine if we had a Muv-Luv X Ace Combat crossover. Cipher, Blaze, Mobius, and every other AC protag would be absolute monsters behind the controls of a TSF.
It's interesting how similar/close to the actual aircraft production history the TSF is. I already just liked muv-luv, but now I have an even higher respect for the writing and world building.
Also, my guy if I could I would so be a patron......😢
Ah don't stress it, your comments and likes have taken me pretty far! But yeah, the worldbuilding leaves me speechless with how intelligently and thoroughly it was done
Babe wake up, new Muv luv tsf lore dropped
Lol thanks for watching
i have been waiting for this!!!! thank you
Thanks for waiting! Hope you enjoyed
fr doin us all a solid makin these🙏
Thanks, appreciate you watching and commenting!
Your vids as well as the recent release of the "Muv-Luv Dimensions" game has really helped in scratching that 'TSF Itch' us MuvLuv fans have been having for years.
Thank you. Glad to help in doing that. These mechs are so cool, they deserve the attention
These are well done. Just as a heads up, ATACMS is typically pronounced at-uh-cams, and CIWS is typically see-whiz. Because the Pentagon kinda sucks at naming stuff with acronyms...
Yeah I've heard all sorts of ways they are pronounced. Thanks for that
Be interesting to see a video about TSFs from minor countries, even if they are just variants of U.S. ones.
You'll enjoy it, I'm sure. The Typhoon and Rafale are domestically designed. Turkey, Nepal, and Sweden are the ones that pique my curiosity too
@@yamamotomechbattles I'm hoping to see the ones used by my home country Canada. I know it has a role in The Day After timeline.
@@aarongerard7277 Don't you guys use the F-18 in real life? I don't think they used it in TDA. I wished they did, but they had European ones though
@@yamamotomechbattles Yeah, we do. We also used the Freedom Fighter prior to the Hornet, and now we're upgrading to the F-35.
Let's go!
Hell yeah! Enjoy
See the Americans get it, more gun is always the best solution. Even if you have to hold ground, rather than devoting mass to blades and reinforced arms and stuff bring more bigger guns. If they are still getting close bring a friend who has just as many guns, it’s a defensive war, ammunition will only really be an issue if you do something silly like only build one factory.
Yeah I prefer the American style, but the frontline nations use blades primarily because their logistics can't keep pace with the degree of fighting they do. So they plan for inconsistent ammo and fuel resupply via fuel efficient designs and close quarters combat. All of these demands are amplified when doing hive capture operations, which frontline nations plan to do in order to reclaim their lost countries...and it's something the US has mostly written off due to failures in the past. Ironically, the US has the right logistics for a good hive capture operation, and the frontline nations have the better experience and tactics, but neither really want to synergize the two because of the political baggage that comes with doing things the American/Japanese/Russian/etc way.
Mobius 1 looking different after ISAF gave him that new F-22
I've talked to people before about splicing in Ace Combat dialogue while making a short fan VN using the sprites from Muv Luv. Mobius One and ISAF taking down a bunch of BETA in TSFs would be a cool one
@@yamamotomechbattles plane Jesus in a mech killing aliens while Sky Eye talks about his birthday would be very cool
The eruseans are doomed
I'm new to Muv Luv, but as a military nerd, I'm curious if there's an F117 Nighthawk-inspired TSF, it was introduced in 1981 IRL, so it should fit in Muv Luv, right? It would be cool if there were a Lockweed Mardin F117 Nighthawk TSF.
Sadly I can't find it anywhere. In the lore, I think F-22 was the first stealth craft. Maybe it's because the F-117 was more of an attack craft and there was no way to convincingly write about how the US needed a stealthy TSA. It might be an actual plane though, as bombers and transports like the B-1 Lancer and C-5 Galaxy are depicted being used in their real life roles
@@yamamotomechbattles I see. Thank you for your response. Indeed, the F117 is not really a fighter in real life, but damn, I can't help imagining a black TSF or TSA F117 Nighthawk with a sharp triangular design.
@@yamamotomechbattlesit is a stealth fighter bomber
But yeah it is less maneuverable
Thanks for the video. I dropped the series where the f22 was introduced since I didn't like it too much. One of my biggest questions that bugged was why did the TSF have stealth technology when the BETA didn't have radar. Now I know.
Thanks, glad I could clarify it. The adaptation was quite rushed, as the VN tends to have A LOT of technical and military details that can't be effectively covered in seasonal anime format. But yeah, the politics behind weapon design is one of biggest factors the creator wanted to incorporate into his mecha
I cant wait for you to cover the , European ones like the Rafale , EF Typhoon and the JAS 39 Gripen,also will there be TSF based on the attack helicopters like the AH64 Apache and the Eurocopter Tiger?
Helicopters and bombers remain the same as in real life, it's mostly the fighters and attackers that were developed to fight BETA. So there are shots of the Apache and the Hind providing air support when the skies are cleared
there are still helicopters used against BETA, from Hinds, Havoc and Alligator to Apache and Cobra. There this Defense of Yokohama hive where Apache helicopters rain hell as they try to defend the base but as the landing pads got overan they have to resupply in nearby bases. Also Tanks exist too
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Great video as always.
Thanks for always watching!
The F22 Raptor is what I like to call "Being Strong/Built for the Wrong Reasons". Ah America, even with a world ending calamity on your doorstep you still try and succeed at out doing your fellow man. Also I find it weird that American Combat Doctrine focused on Mid - Long Range Combat and Bombardment yet they never developed a Support Cannon like the Japanese Type-87 Support Assault Cannon for long range sharpshooting.
They did, technically, the art is just in the $40 USD Codex along with the legacy hornet, Su-11TM, F-14AN3 and a lot of other stuff
Good ol' USA. I phrased it the way we would too "defend its interests", as in...fight for oil...I mean, G-Elements...I mean, freedom from the BETA.
In the codex, the AMWS-21 has a long barrel you can attach to make it into a support cannon. It was supposed to resemble the Barrett .50 cal I think. Kouki said a lot of this stuff never left the concept stage because they simply wouldn't be using the assets that much, but they still exist in universe.
@yamamotomechbattles ah that's good to know. Can't wait to see the other nations TSF's. Especially the Russians, they have some pretty unique designs and cool paint jobs.
Damn, the F18 looks so cool
The battle clips I found were pretty damn glorious to edit in
"All units, check in."
Begin the laserjagd
Keep up the good work man love your videos
Thanks, will do. Appreciate you watching!
Amazing work, this frog hopes you eventualy cover what little scraps we got of the Eurofront and Euro TSFs.
Thank you! The European ones are pretty cool in their unique way. I definitely plan to get to them
If it’s real life or this anime universe, I always want to see more of the Black Widow !!!!! Also, wonder why this universe didn’t use the F-117 nighthawk.. seeing how it’s the father of the F22. Or the SR 71 blackbird .. that’s the grandad of Skunkworkz projects leading into stealth
Yeah true. I think it might be because bombers are still used as bombers, and in lore it wouldn't make sense for the US to want the F-117 as a stealth TSA, lumbering around but invisible for some reason. Anyway, Black Widow will be in the next part for sure!
AC 130 with chain saw
Sorry late and epic as always
No worries, really appreciate it!
So, as a retired Air Force officer, I have a few issues with details about a few of these mechs. First of all, the YF-22 was superior in close-range BFM to the YF-23. The YF-23 was stealthier, and excelled at BVR (long range) combat. Interestingly, the JDF has used the BVR-focused YF-23 as the basis of their own 6th gen fighter currently in development, the Mitsubishi F-X (aka: F-3).
Further, the idea that the US is focused on long-range combat seems....wrong. If you look at our doctrines vs other nations, we are fucking obsessed with close range combat. Our troops and aircraft excel best when right up on an enemy, such as aerial dogfighting in BFM combat, or getting infantry into close combat and engaging in one of the various battle drills (namely Battle Drill 6). Further, our special forces are strangely obsessed with pulling off edged-weapon kills against enemy combatants. And given that they are working with *Imperial* Japan (as opposed to Democratic Japan), it should be noted that the USMC dominated the IJA in hand-to-hand, with the exception of the rare officer or NCO with a sword who could match the physically much larger, better trained, and better equipped KABAR wielding crayon-munchers. Usually a hand-to-hand fight between US troops and Japanese troops ended in US victory, or massive casualties to the engaged squads/platoons.
So, the idea that the US eschews close combat is really, really weird, especially given the type of enemy they're fighting. The US would likely have TSFs more focused with extreme damage at close range paired with larger support fighters / attackers / "bombers" that dumped ordinance on the enemy from just behind the front line of battle. The melee weapons of choice would probably so numerous as to be pilot-preference, affording options including various types of swords (lots of options, but mainly sabers), short swords (the US would steal the Wakizashi / shoto concept, or use a gladius-like thing), tomahawks (a special forces and infantry specialty, proven for breaching utility in GWoT), machetes (loved in Vietnam, Pacific, and Latin/South American theaters in many conflicts), KABAR-like knives for Marines (classic), karambits (for those who got really close, like the F-16), M9 bayonets (cheap option for Army reserves, kinda like the CIWS options shown), and extendable batons (for internal security). In many ways, the US has *more* of a capacity for and tradition of melee combat than even the IJA did, and that *grew* during GWoT.
So, yeah, I really don't get what the creators of Muv Luv Alternative were thinking when they made the US a non-melee focused military....and in making the doctrines of the Army, Navy, and Marines all basically the same. Also, why doesn't the Air Force use TSFs? You'd thing the USAF (and all other air forces) would have adapted to the new paradigm rather than get relegated to non-combat and support roles only when Laser Class BETA weren't around, and would *at least* have their Security Forces and various special operation forces (pararescue, special tactics, weather jumpers, etc) equipped with TSFs, if not various main-line units as well that could provide additional strike capability to US Army and Navy assets, like large bomber-type TSBs in the form of the B-1 Lancer, B-2 Spirit, and B-21 Raider (similar to the use of the XB-70 Valkyrie)....I assume the B-52 would exist as an aircraft similarly to the Tu-95 Bear, and would still be in operation.
For the YF-22 vs YF-23, yeah it's kind of known in the fandom that the capabilities were backwards. In the Total Eclipse spin off, it's evident that the Japanese creator absolutely loved the YF-23 and probably wanted its characteristics to be more melee-centered and heroic to line up with its purpose in that story.
I don't disagree that Americans love their melee combat. Lord knows there's always the tomahawk guy in every infantry unit. Although any time I trained in CQB, the go to move was not to engage in combatives or pull a knife, but to gain distance and use your rifle. Here though, I think the Muv Luv US doctrine is based on two real world observations.
The first is that the US military is incredibly risk-averse, and in lore, their civilian government heavily prioritizes making sure Americans don't get killed in combat. They suffered heavy losses during the moon campaign and the decades in Europe, so the leadership -- just like in real life -- have a bad day when US losses occur even if a mission succeeds. That is their number one priority, and so funding will always go to projects that fall in line with it. A personally cynical take of mine on these politicians is that it's not really about the lives and how their soldiers see it, it's about avoiding the bad day.
The second is that their long-range preference is a historical reference to the F-4 Phantom and how the US military was so confident that dogfights were irrelevant, they never bothered to give it a gun until they learned that dogfights were, in fact, not irrelevant. So while I wish to see more Americans who enjoy melee combat, I also appreciate the writer's historical allusion.
As for the Air Force, it really is odd how they fit in. Surface Pilots trace their heritage back to Air Force fighter pilots, but over time, they found that infantry training and tactics were far more beneficial to TSFs. So both Air Force and Army practices were combined, and I guess the Army was chosen as the better fit to integrate them. The Air Force still flies the B-1B and the B-52, and these are called in for carpet bombing when skies are cleared. And yeah, they mostly fly transports so air mobility is their focus. They tried to get funding for a project against the F-35 at one point, I forgot what specifically, but I think it had to do with their belief that the TSF would be irrelevant in human conflicts (which is a in-lore belief by many).
I think, with how the XB-70 was incorporated as the XG-70 and saw success in this setting, it'd be cool to see America decide to revisit the concept and design the B-2 as a stealth version, the next gen hive busting super weapon or something.
@@yamamotomechbattles Okay, so real question here....what can a TSF do that an AH-64 or AH-1 can't do?
They fly at similar speeds and altitudes. TSFs can land and make themselves *more* vulnerable, and generally have to leave their cockpits to do anything on the ground (as opposed to, say, what a 40k Dreadnought could do with its own hands), attack helos have longer loiter time, and heavier weapons.
Like, I love this concept, but I don't think they justified the mech-ification of Air Force planes very well.
If the TSFs were a fair bit smaller, could fight both within and from within buildings meant for normal people, could themselves burrow or fight underwater, or held any other number of improved capabilities, I could see them strongly justified, but they're the size of two fighter jets with 1/10th the capability. If they're meant to fill a role between fighter jet, attack helo, armor, IFV, and infantry, then it needs the small size and adaptability of infantry, the speed of a fighter, the loiter time of a helo, the protection and firepower of a light tank, and the infantry fire support capability of an IFV. Really, they're just too large for what they do.
Also, wouldn't the advent of stealth technology, as used in the F-22. F-15SE, and YF-23 basically cause the threat from Laser-class to be reduced enough to employ traditional aircraft against the BETA? The rules of "you can't shoot what you can't see" apply to light-speed weapons as much as traditional ADA.
@@gunraptor The key behind their design is that they work best against the Laser and Heavy Laser class of BETA. Helicopters don't have the mobility to go to ground fast enough to evade laser fire, and even if they did, they wouldn't have the means to dodge, shoot, or generally fight off the swarms that would immediately close in around them. The lasers are as precise as looking at something and then blinking, but strangely these strains are known to prioritize their targets. They go for manned airborne vehicles first, followed closely by anything they can see with high tech in it, and then standard airborne objects such as rockets or artillery shells. Oddly, they will never fire if they might harm another BETA, so they rarely aim low because usually the area around them is covered in other, larger BETA.
Lore-wise, the TSF was heavily criticized and suffered extreme losses when first used, because it was used in more static, defensive roles and the above lessons had not been discovered. But the doctrine that solidified its role was laser suppression -- namely, a squadron would rush into a BETA herd at NOE flight to get to the slower laser class at the back, wipe them out, and then take to the skies while air and arty rotate in. It's obviously very dangerous, and other tactics are used to help them do this, such as shooting artillery and missiles in the air to draw laser fire, or designing said munitions to detonate into "heavy metal clouds" (chemical reaction, mercury based, of some sort, iirc) when intercepted so as to better dissipate laser fire. Plus getting in close with the BETA but still having a fighting chance at that range would also keep the Lasers from firing due to your proximity to other strains.
It's the versatility and speed at which they do this that makes them viable. They can switch to whatever role they need to, rather than being heavily confined. That being said, that creates drawbacks as well -- in The Day After storyline, a battalion or so of TSFs struggled to fight four TSAs acting as SAM sites. On top of that, MBTs and even self propelled anti-air guns can do a number on a pack of advancing BETA (they just can't run away and reestablish a good position if overtaken). Attack helicopters are relied on just as much, but can only be there once the skies are cleared. Mechanized infantry (in lore term, using powered exoskeletons) exist in large numbers but are sadly, rarely shown in battle so far. TSFs are essentially the jack of all trades, master of none...but the only ones capable of switching roles as needed when in the middle of a BETA swarm.
As for stealth, it only deceives radar and electronic systems used by humans. The BETA still have an uncanny ability to detect technology and will converge toward it to eat or destroy, so the Raptor will always be just another giant robot completely visible in their eyes.
EDIT: Just adding that TSFs carry 2000 36mm rounds in each assault cannon, with each carrying 6 120mm rounds in an attached launcher as well. They can carry up to four assault cannons, along with extra magazines, so they have much more firepower to burn through than an attack helo as well
An interesting note about the competition between the YF-22 and YF-23 is, unlike in the show, in real life the YF-22 was actually MORE maneuverable. Why they changed this in the show. . I don't know. Maybe to make it seem more surprising they chose the YF-22 over the YF-23?
I think Kouki was a huge fan of the YF-23, as when its mentioned in the Total Eclipse vn, it's almost treated with this legendary or mythical respect. Plus, its design is a bit more...heroic than the Raptor, as it thrives in melee like all the good Japanese boys do in Muv Luv. So I just think it's writer's preference, but one that was disciplined enough to also respect how history played out and also pay homage to the F-22 as well
@@yamamotomechbattles Interesting. If he is a 'fanboy' of the YF-23, this revision would make more sense. I can commend that. Still, it's fascinating. The F-22 in reality was arguably the better aircraft. It's fascinating that there was recent controversy in the US government over an inability to acquire new frames in light of the Ukraine War and tensions in the pacific. That said, the US Airforce is working on the Next Generation Air Dominance program to produce a 6th generation fighter that will eventually replace the F-22.
I quietly hope we will see that translate into the Muv Luv universe. I would love to see how that turns out.
@@Mahbu Agreed. I want to see how modern military aviation might be explored in newer material
@@yamamotomechbattles
I know it's going to be absolutely insane once we actually get more details on what the NGAD is and what it is capable to accomplish.
Along with other 6th generation plans such as the navy's FA/XX program or the GCAP Tempest program which Japan has recently joined in on.
@@MahbuYF-22 is no doubt the more maneuverable fighter but YF-23 is regarded as more stealthier
I've been waiting for this video for a long time ! Awesome work ! Your videos makes it easier for me to understand the lore of the machines more. Can't wait for a Black Widow video !
If you do decide to make a reimagined series, You should make an alternate timeline where both the Raptor and Black Widow became full production machines but the Raptor is in service within the US Army and the Black Widow is in service in the US Space Force or maybe in this universe, The US Air Force decided they want a TSF Branch focusing on Laserjagd and close combat similar to the 666th squadron.
There is this Fanfic called Muv-Luv : Comet where in this story, Yuuya is part of the US Space Force and an Orbital Diver. But they don't just infiltrate hives, the Orbital Divers are also a quick reaction force for conventional units where they become a force multiplier in a combat zone.
Looking forward to more videos !
There's always so many cool fanfiction ideas. I'll be sure to check it out soon. Yuuya's my boy! The Black Widow and Raptor fighting side by side would be life as God intended lol
@@yamamotomechbattles True ! The Muv luv Black Widow has such a cool design. I mean if you do decide to make a reimagined series, it's basically a fanfiction in a way.
A reimagined muv-luv world where the raptor and black widow are fighting side by side each other. That would be something to see.
An Idea for your reimagined series : Imagine the air force decided to make a TSF branch dedicated to fulfill the close combat doctrine with their main machine the Black widow and strike eagles. But Also working closely with space force.
So essentially, the air force provides pilots while the space force provides transportation. In a way It's like the navy and marines.
So this new unit is basically the 666th squadron with a mixture of orbital divers.
Imagine ODST from Halo but robots instead and they don't just focus on hive infiltration but also as a quick reaction force for conventional forces fighting beta dropping in the middle of a beta Herd and flanking them.
Just throwing out a few ideas ! As always Awesome work with the videos !
Im quite new to this franchise/universe, but im wondering, wouldnt a Rod of God type of weapon been better to destroy or heavy damage the BETA hives, since nukes are out of question, and humans have spacefaring capabilities but the BETA don't, also i doubt the laser or heavy laser class would try to counter it, since is just a piece of metal at high velocity.
From what I know ROG are considerably more expensive and harder to deploy than nukes and while there is no fallout the damage and side effects from one is pretty bad too.
And the laser class will absolutely target the ROG it’s just they prioritize humans and or anything with advanced tech inside first.
they actually do employ those but not in the way you might think, TSF Divers actually make use of a special reentry pod, that reentry pod is made out of heavy metals, with the express purpose to do 3 things, Protect the TSF on reentry, Get shot at by the Beta which in turn evaporates the reentry pod which then results in the creation of a heavy metal dust cloud that dampens the Laser class' effect and lastly if they arent shot down, they literally act as the Rod's of God, which is their 3rd and final roll in order to clear the immediate landing zone of beta, as well as expose tunnels that would lead into the hive cluster effectively shortening time in order to infiltrate the hive. The alternative thing that they do is actually rain down sub-projectiles from HSSTs (space shuttles that either carry munitions for surface bombardment or TSF bays that contain the TSF and reentry pod), these sub munitions either contain fragmentaiton/cluster etc, or Anti laser munitions which are essentially containers that are filled with heavy metal dusts, and are meant to be shot at by the Laser class in order to dampen their lasers in prelude to an orbital drop, as well as to help get other munitions through to hit the bombardment area. This was showcased both on Muv-Luv Alternative's VN and Anime adaptation, i recommend you go watch the anime, but for more detail go dive into the VN which has the full details that the anime purposefully skips out on.
@@jbj2283 I don't think the price tag is an issue, if they can make lots of TSF's and even deploy them from space or use said TSF's to fight other humans while BETA's still alive,,making a space station that drops pieces of metal and let gravity do the rest, seem cheaper.
When i said about use their use, is for heavly or totally controled areas by the BETA like middle of Asia or Europe, also as you said and im aware of the same laser class BETA's focus more manned or computarized vehicles or projectiles, so a piece of tungsten moving a high velocity is neither of those and probably to fast for them to focus i think.
English not my 1st language, pardon me for any mistakes.
@@Frost-01thank you for this reply, it was by off chance i descovered this franchise, and i got instantly hooked, ignore my other reply i didnt see yours.
Not 100% sure if this is correct, but just what I've gathered. The BETA are consistently bringing out new strains over time to counter Humanity. First the Laser, then the Heavy Laser which can target suborbital enemies, and then the Fort Laser which I'm not sure of it's capabilities.
One thing made very clear, especially in Total Eclipse is humanity is extremely reliant on low orbit, cheap recon satellites. Without them, the BETA would practically be able to do what they want.
I can't remember if this was an actual conversation or not in TE, but this is what I got from it. There is a concern that should anyone start dropping ordinance on the BETA from orbit, the BETA will start working towards targeting orbital platforms. Meaning you may kill a hive or two if you're lucky, but you've also lost all satellites, orbital divers, hyper-sonic transports, and anything else. They do make a point to talk about since no satellite has ever attacked the BETA, the BETA have never considered them a threat. Hence why they still use recon sats.
Do the Japanese TSF next
4 gen is real?
There is side content that covers it, Exogularity. Although its place in the canon is only somewhat accepted. For the most part, 3rd Gen is the most advanced.
@@yamamotomechbattles noted, i will wait for vid about tsf big gun/look like MG, EML 99 and 1200 Horizon
I do think the UCF Nationalists also operate F-5. F-16, and F-18E/F, in addition to F-CK-1.
Great video. I was thinking how they could continue the timeline after the good ending from MLA. Watching this video got me thinking. They could tell a story about the nations and sovereignty over the once occupied lands. Reconstruction and the different interest groups involved with it. Maybe turn this into a kind of Gundam OO type of story but with a ML flare. After all is said and done, the US has two aces up it's sleeve, the f22 and gbombs. Nations are not gonna like the US leading or controlling the reconstruction effforts. Just a thought.
Yep, it's such a huge plot point. Everybody has started talking about the "post-BETA world" even though the war hasn't been won. It sounds dumb, and it kind of is because the BETA are winning, but honestly, the post-BETA world will likely be a thing. Humans are going to turn on each other once again, so a story like that would fit right into the timeline.
@@yamamotomechbattles what about the BETA on the Moon?
@@bluekashus2499 I'm sure in the long term they are figuring out a means to eliminate them. Alt 4 is likely to propose more XG-70 variants for the task, which is explored in Exogularity (which imo is speculative more than canon). But short term, the expansive wasteland of Eurasia will have to be stabilized first
@@yamamotomechbattles thanks. I feel like I've only scratch the surface of this story.
Also sure include the YF-23 and F35 TSF and upcoming other TSF
Yes those will be in Part 3 of American TSFs for sure
nice, also first 😸😸
Nice! Thanks for being the first to watch!
What are your thoughts on post Alternative TSF development and the canonicity of events considering what little we've seen of Integrate so far?
Well I love the TSFIA shorts that show what happens during Sledgehammer and such, especially seeing the Valkyries once again. I'd enjoy seeing more of the Shiranui Second and what Yuuya gets up to. All I know about Integrate is that artwork that shows Latrova, Akane, and likely Ilfriede and Gretel.
Exogularity though, is not my favorite. It's neat, but the newer gens it presents start to get OP, which is the opposite of why I enjoy TSFs to begin with. They have flaws and can't do everything perfectly, even if they do it well. That means it's up to the pilots to figure out how to compensate, and to truly know what their machine can and can't do. It's a "system" in a sci-fi/fantasy story that has to be mastered and the rules can't be disrespected unless you know what you're doing.
@@yamamotomechbattles I get you, I read a bit about Exogularity and things like the Rutherford fields are a very odd direction to take TSFs, tanking hits is against their design philosophy and straight up resolves the reason air superiority was phased out. I get the feeling it'll get parts retconned by Integrate because of certain promotional arts set on Earth.
I'd also like to see what Yuuya's up to, the ending of Total Eclipse leaves a lot of room for speculation. There's material for a short story following those events.
@@drakenzahn9149 My guess is that he goes to Yokohama and meets Yuuko. Inia and Kasumi would also get to meet. Yuuko is really the only one who can keep Alt 3 members alive, and seems to care about Kasumi's wellbeing despite how she presents herself. Being around Yuuko is also a good way to keep Yuuya safe, as well as in Japan where Yui can probably visit him. I think she was the one "pulling his strings" after a while, and so she's the one he said would have to work for it in order to keep pulling them. It's the best place for a new story tbh
@@yamamotomechbattles That's what I'm inclined towards to, too. As you said, there's plenty of reasons he'd go to Yuuko, and I could be pushing the speculation here but I can see a follow up story line being followed in Integrate.
There's a high chance Exogolurity will be retconned in the future, 8th TSF will probably be downgraded in power levels to show that even if they're powerful they still get oneshoted or more likely the beta will adapt and make 8th TSF look powerful but still not up to match towards new beta strains
I still find it funny how the manufacturers names are slightly off the real world ones. I mean Boening? The F-22A sure is 'boening' your sensors!
Yep, Boening is the best lol
@@yamamotomechbattles For the longest time I was sure it had to bee a typo, but no. Btw looking forward to the next vid, they've all been great.
I don't remember but did the Japanese get to analyze the F22 wrecks after the 12/5 Incident before handing them back over to the US?
I don't think it's said anywhere that they did. But my guess is that after the battle, the US was still present on the peninsula, so maybe they dispatched their troops to recover what classified material they could? Because for some reason it was cool for Irma's wreck to remain in Japan long enough for Miki to visit and leave flowers. So either the US forgot and Japan could have a look, it was left for dramatic purposes, or the most classified components were recovered and the debris left behind.
@@yamamotomechbattles Could've sent some guys by helicopter to burn them with thermite?
I mean it's what I'd do if they couldn't be recovered in a somewhat timely manner.
@@servicerifle16 Agreed. I think it was just left there for narrative purposes, to reflect Tamase's connection and bond with people outside of Japan, much like her father being part of the UN
Has a red dot facing forward and a red dot facing backwards on its AMWS-21 combat system
the F-22... Do you mean the APEX PREDATOR OF THE SKIES. The 3-0 Raptor that is so absolutly terrifying to enemy air that they ground their fighters when they are in the AO...The Same F-22 that was built in the 90's and is still top dog? The same F-22 Raptor that helps Iranian Pilots evacuate their bowels "YA REALLY OUTTA GO HOME" The F-22 that takes on 4 F-16's, shit pumps them mid air and lands before a F-14 finishes its pre flight check? The same F-22 who's little brother just Top Gun'ed some commie J20's?...... THE GREATEST AIRCRAFT IN EXISTANCE F-22? THAT F-22?!!?!?!?!
Yep, the codex even mentions how it was a decade old design that was so forward-thinking it was still the best TSF when it rolled out in 2001. Even though plot magic led to a few getting downed, the story paid its proper dues by showing it putting in the work and terrifying its formerly cocky opponents
@30:28 you mention that the 66th TAB is out of "Langley, VA." It seems you're confusing Joint Base Langley-Eustis (formerly the USAF's Langley AFB and the US Army's Fort Eustis) in Hampton, VA (the home of the First Fighter Wing, Headquarters for Air Combat Command, and one of the main homes of the F-22 Raptor) with Langley, VA (the location of the CIA's headquarters).
These two locations are on opposite ends of Virginia, but to those who have never been there are probably easy to confuse.
Hey I'm loving your responses, and thanks for the real world knowledge. I don't know how the MLA world's US military organizes their bases, but I think a lot of it is lost in translation from Japanese to English as well. Nellis is called, on different sources online, an Army or an Air Force Base. Edwards AFB is still Edwards AFB, JB Lewis-McChord is still Fort Lewis (as it was when the work it appeared in was written). JB Elmendorf-Richardson is called Anchorage Base.
As for the 66th, the wiki states they are from the "US Army's Langley Base" and the codex simply says "Langley, Virginia". I never knew the two bases were so far apart, but we do know that the CIA has a huge influence over the 66th, and they were easily able to plant an agent into their ranks and presumably give pre-mission post-hypnotic cues to another pilot to make them act on the CIA's behalf. Perhaps the writer didn't know the difference, or combined the two for this world in order to get things to work.
@@yamamotomechbattles Well, there is no military base in Langley, VA. It just has the CIA headquarters. The closer base would be Andrews AFB south of DC (iirc).
But Camp Peary (aka: "the Farm") is quite close to Langley AFB (I'm just calling it that, as that's what it was most of my life), so it's not like the CIA would have to so much as buy a plane ticket to visit Langley AFB. Not to mention that the various three-letters have facilities everywhere, and are quite friendly with the military (both socially and administratively), so in the MLA universe let's just say that Langley and Eustis forming JB Langley Eustis caused lead to an ever growing mega-base as Navy, AF, Army, Marine, Coast Guard, Space Force, and even contractor facilities all started getting added into the massive complex up until the point that it reached Langley, VA, and the CIA headquarters was eventually added into this massive, monolithic defense complex stretching all up and down the US Easter Seaboard. Plot hole filled, and comically juxtaposed to reality.
On that note, I kinda hate the disrespect this series gives to the CIA. I've barely seen any of it, and they paint the CIA as unambiguously evil, rather than, you know, providing the geopol and capabilities analysis required to beat the BETA and prevent global collapse following the successful containment of the BETA. Like, against that kind of enemy, and with Eurasia in ruins, their funding would likely be cut hugely in favor of the military, and pilots would probably fuck up anyone who attempted shady MKULTRA shit on them...with a modest chance of out-spooking the spooks who were trying to use them. But, the writers of this series don't really seem to understand the US...or their own....military very well beyond Wikipedia and a few books they got ahold of....they probably understand better than many Americans, admittedly, but it's still a bit on the level of "why didn't you hire military consultants to help you with your world building?"
@@gunraptor That's a good way to reason it, and I agree that the CIA could definitely be explored with a bit more nuance. There was another agency in Total Eclipse that I can't recall, but based on their perspective, it seemed like they all had their own minor squabbles and disagreements among each agency. Since the story involves a Cold War that has persisted into the 2000s, I don't mind that the CIA has its own degree of shadiness to match what the Soviets do to their people. The writer loved his spy thriller conspiracies, and since I love stories like the Jason Bourne series, I'm content to see the CIA being bad guys.
But as for the military aspect, I appreciate the writer doing their research and getting far closer to the bullseye than the vast majority of sci-fi or fantasy writers I've read. That being said, the most egregious sin is how everyone salutes all the freaking time in the VN. I was once at Tyndall meeting a friend who was an ABM, and learned that among all the Captains, Majors, and Lieutenants running around, nobody salutes because there are just way too damn many of them walking around.
So you will be able to post more frequently now ?
I don't know lol I'm a perfectionist who dives deep into the lore and prioritizes getting everything right, as well as including interesting side details. So it takes time to write all of it up, record it, and all
Wonder what an YF-12 could have looked like as a TSF.
Yeah that or the SR-71 would make for interesting mech designs and purposes. Although, it's likely it would've remained a proper aircraft in this world
@@yamamotomechbattles I do wonder what the creators of Muv-Luv Alternative will do when newer, next generation aircraft are released. Like the rumored F-36 program and the NGAD program.
@@WolfeSaber9933 First they have to keep the franchise alive lol but yeah, newer aircraft as time goes on will always be satisfying
Should do the Russian TSF variants next
Yeah, it's either them or the Japanese ones
ADFX-01 TSF when
That's probably like 9th generation or something lol would be badass to see
So F 35 will be the next ?
Yes it will
Wait
So F-16C is actually a long range platform as well
Just look at the armaments
"ATACMS"
Yeah just like the F-18 it can equip the Muv Luv world's version of the ATACMS, which uses vertically launched missiles to bombard targets at range. Basically just empty the container of missiles and then purge it. Apparently, it can lock onto aerial targets like TSFs as well
@@yamamotomechbattles hope they featured it during the culling operations
@@enigmagrieshaber5555 for sure had to have been at a lot of them
I thought lavi is different than the f16.
In Muv Luv, the Lavi uses the F-16 as a base and then is built into its own craft from there. In universe, I think the Chinese also helped them and so some parts resemble the J-10 as well (which also uses the F-16 as a base).
@@yamamotomechbattles okay it's looks like an f16 in irl so yeah but o my god Israel still exist in that universe they are very resilient even tho there country is small.
So at the end where the f-22s I lost, was it mainly due to plot armor? Or were they outmatched?
I think he has a video on the battle where they were lost. Although it doesn't go into specifics I would assume the in lore reason would be that the f22 were overwhelmed by the amount of enemies. Also they were fighting a defensive battle as the had to cover the retreat of the Japanese emperor. Stealth can only do so much when you can't pick your fight and the enemy is expecting you. There may also be an element of CIA sabotage but his video mostly covers how the battles went so not sure. As for out of universe reasons, well you can't have the Japanese getting their butts kicked to hard by the Americans since it is an anime. You will notice in the series Japan does have plot armor to an extent. Its not too much but it does get irritating at times.
@@applepie4287 What? The Raptors were literally kicking the Japanese rebels' asses until they had a 7:1 kill ratio, which means that even if they have a large number of kills, a few Raptors must be killed in action, indicating that they are strong but not invincible. This was before the deal with Captain Sagiri failed and the situation became worse. In addition to Capt. Sagiri being a highly skilled surface pilot, CIA sabotage resulting in the death of Major Walken and his traitorous subordinates caused three more Raptors to go down. If it weren't for the sabotage, the rebels would be easier to put down
Specifically in that instance, it was kind of plot contrivance, but the enemy pilot was also an ace in his own regard. Plus, they were outnumbered and defending a VIP and rookie pilots. But the main thing was that one of the F-22 pilots was a CIA agent who overrode the commander, used a post-hypnotic cue (think Starship Troopers novel style) to take over another Raptor pilot, and started wreaking havoc during peace talks. Once the commander figured it out, he didn't realized his weapons had been locked. The agent was shot down before he could be made to confess the truth, and then Major Walken was attacked by Sagiri while covering the MC's escape...not knowing his weapons didn't work until it was too late. At least that's the anime version, and somewhat the implied situation from the VN.
@@yamamotomechbattles cool!
@@hunterzero8Did you not read my reply? I feel like I've addressed the points you mentioned. Nowhere did I imply the F-22 was invincible
i got a Question in an Theoraticle Fight who would wind a Mass Prducd MS like the Zaku Dom Jinn or any other Mass Prdouced MS against n TSF Mass Prdoced like the F-22 Raptor or the Takemikazuchi i don"t want to include Gundasm because this Would be unfair at times Like with the Barbatos the Nu and High nu Gundam
It depends. MS have larger caliber weapons and better defense. TSFs are about as durable as modern day aircraft, so they can't take much fire. But TSFs are much faster, even if their weapons are weaker than a Zaku or Jinn. It comes down to the pilot -- the MS pilot only needs to hit the TSF once, the TSF pilot needs to avoid getting hit and must deliver a 120mm or longblade attack into the MS' cockpit (where armor is likely weakest). Raptor would do well in this regard, but I can't imagine showering a Zaku in 36mm would do much, so it needs to close in.
@@yamamotomechbattles so you come to the same Conclusen as Me i also fought of that i just wanted an Opinion of an Lore expert and if one of the Muv Luv States would ever get a hand on an MS there Technologie would rise fst
@@kevinbaumhoer7359 True, Minovsky Particles would completely enhance TSF design, but they'd be OP for sure. I like that TSFs have clear drawbacks that need to be taken into consideration
@@yamamotomechbattles me too Bro
I mean.. f15 f 16 and f18 should get more fame considering they’ve seen battles
F22 irl only what? Took down a balloon in all his years of service ?
Air to ground battle doesn’t work that they have to keep upgrading f15 f18 to do the job f22 can’t do.
I agree completely. The workhorses are the ones that get the job done. That's the point with the TSFs, the F-22 is cool and the best anti-TSF machine, but the F-15 is the most widely used and is expected to remain relevant for decades because of how easy it is to upgrade.
do you ever plan on doing gundam stuff again
Yeah, got one in the works
cant wait
One thing that's never made much sense to me is the weapon caliber. What do you mean 36mm? That doesn't even exist! At least use 37mm or 40mm if you want to make parallels with real world weapons. Plus i never bought the fact it's just a 36mm autocanon, if you look at a bradley's autocanon it's very thin and a TSF is like 18 meter tall, the math just doesn't add up the canon on every artwork is waaaaay oversized it looks closer to 75mm or 88mm or even 100mm than it does 36. On the topic of jank caliber the sniper rifle in unlimited is supposedly *1500mm* that makes NO SENSE whatsoever, are you telling me this gun is almost twice as big as the largest caliber on the planet the 80 *CM* schwerer gustav?????? This is literally insane.
Finally i must say 36mm as the standard ammo is just kind of underwhelming? You've all seen that bradley firing on a T90 in ukraine, the rounds were bouncing off the crew of the T90 retreated because it's part that were sensible that had been targeted but otherwise the tank was fine. Betas like the grappler being shotdown by a dozen 36mm round just seem underwhelming idk you expect 15 meter tall murder machine to resist pea shooters. Similarly only having 6 120mm seems pathetic firepower-wise for an advanced sci fi mecha that's 18 meter tall, at least make it 155mm so that you have a mobile artillery gun if you only want 6 rounds. As it stands tanks carry so much more firepower pound for pound than a TSF and the 120mm is basically useless due to how low the ammo count is, let the tank handle the 120 and go full on with the 36 on your mechas the 120 is just needlessly overcomplicating the gun design and what is it gonna be used for? Lasers and grapplers get mowed down easy by 36, 120 is useless against destroyers and fort are 66 meters what do you expect to do with 6 freaking rounds? Your entire team is gonna use its entire 120 stash to kill like 2 (maybe) and then you're out of juice.
Idk i think tsf weapons need to be upscaled quite dramatically to make them credible against ennemies like the beta, i just want you to picture 6 tanks shooting at godzilla (who varies in size from 50 to 100 meters between versions) and then tell me with a straight face it's enough to kill it... It's ridiculous right? Something like 57/155 mm is a bit more credible for the threat posed by the beta and if you want to get degenerate 75/203 sounds like a great stop before you go in big naval gun territory. (Although 100/254mm or 120/305mm would be very based and rule of cool pilled)
One of my complaints with the muv luv setting is the over representation of tsf, their main appeal is MOBILITY, let the firepower be handled by other elements. there is a distinct lack of combined arms warfare in muv luv because tsf end up doing most of the action, while i can understand for infantry (only somewhat though ATGMs would be quite good and a standard issue anti material/sniper rifle/grenade launcher for tank, soldier and warrior class which are only a little over 2 meter in height would do a good job) tanks and light vehicles should be more represented instead of being considered meat shield. I mean they literally have the same firepower a TSF has. i feel like the writers deliberatly wrote other arms off which is a little sad, instead of being a jack of all master of all, it would've been more interesting to see TSF as another niche against the betas instead of the all in one they are, maybe they are vanguard that thin out a horde of their smaller and less armored strains and when the beta reach the main line they encounter an unholy amount of steel and gunpowder. Because realistically it's much easier to upscale ammo and ammo storage on a wheeled or tracked plateform than a legged one. Although if i go this far we start questionning the efficacy of mechas and we arrive to the conclusion that mecha suck and tanks are objectively superior in every way so let's not go there.
What makes modern warfare so interesting is that if you don't cover ALL your bases you're basically screwed, there is no wunderwaffe to win a war. I would like tanks/TSF/IFV combined arms, it just makes sense and is more interesting from a military nerding perspective than mechs beat all imo.
Yeah the cannons on the guns always seemed a bit big to me as well. It would be cool and make sense for them to be scaled up. I think perhaps for the time it was made, the creator saw those numbers as being adequate and not too overpowered.
As for combined arms, those are a regular part of the battles on multiple occasions, so I can't exactly say that Muv Luv doesn't focus on it or that mecha are depicted as the only useful thing. Tanks, IFVs, and even SPAAGs are used to contain the enemy, and in lore they are noted as having more firepower than TSFs in this regard. Their problem is that they can't reposition to another battle line once they are in danger of being overrun.
As a result, arty and CAS are used to thin out advancing herds to prevent that. These are negated by lasers, which sit at the back like AA weapons and can't easily be shot. It's possible to counter battery, but their numbers and interception rate is good enough to make it more wasteful than effective.
So Lasers must then be neutralized by the TSFs, who are mobile; they can fly but also stand on the ground and have decent firepower for the job. Like aircraft, they don't actually have a ton of ordnance to expend (though they do have more than a fighter jet would). They're really only meant to get in and blow up all the lasers; then once the air is clear for flight, they go up and back to resupply while arty and air cover their retreat. If they aren't doing this, then they are supplementing the battle lines. It's rarely that clean, but that's all standard doctrine for Muv Luv. Even the resupply factor means that they heavily rely on logistic units doing their part.
The whole process is combined arms. In the side novels for Schwarzesmarken, following Jurgen Bernhard, (Bernhard im Schatten) it goes over how he discovered these tactics early in the war and refined them to become standard doctrine worldwide.
@@yamamotomechbattles i actually haven't read much on muv luv beside the stuff inside the main trilogy and a few wiki trivias so it is entirely possible that i was blowing the lack of combined arms warfare out of proportion. I just remember that while tank exist, the only time they're really mentionned in alternative is to show they stand no chances, iirc the first ever hive infiltration by the ussr used early tsf and tanks and takeru notes that having your main force composed of tanks is a death sentence so i extrapolated that tanks had become useless through tidbits like this. Honestly stoked to know the authors thought about that and aknowledged that tanks had superior firepower.
It does make sense that we don't really get to see this in alternative since takeru knows jack about this world.
It's pretty incredible the amount of military nerding that went into creating this world, i wish gate was 1/10th as good as muv luv instead of being your typical isekai harem but with a propaganda premium to make the usual formula even more unpalatable.
Edit: it's true the creators might have believed the caliber to be adequate in the context of the early 2000, i mean MBT irl are moving toward 130/140mm instead of the current 120 standard, who knows one day in the 41st millenium we may get a MBT with a pion 203mm for main armamement lol
@@pougetguillaume4632 i mean the 36mm is a chain gun isn't it?(id have to go find the reference from wherever it is lol) The barrel is meant to represent the cover of it? i feel like the weapon scales are relatively believable too,I don't think a 2000 round semi or full auto cannon can bleed through that much(in the visual novels the SFX are quite clearly chaingun) while the anime uses the near same SFX it is kind of staggered,so my point here maybe false. Bradleys 20mm is still pretty big. Upscale it to 36mm and you look at the art too,the barrels are thick,with a small ish hole. art is also a terrible pov,and maybe the anime didn't do a good job as you stated. but generally IMO 36mm is seemingly good enough. And to piggyback off what Yamamoto said(sorry mate I'm sure this phrasing will bring back memories AHAH) There is ALOT of combined arms in Muv Luv (if you watch The alternative projects video "what are TSFs" that is also voiced by our boy here,there's some IMO pretty good clarity on some points you brang up.(not all but it'll assist in the understanding) I would also say the anime an such doesn't depict the ground forces as well or as much as they should but looking at a lot of lore an such as a whole ,as Yamamoto said there is quite a fair bit of it and the whole process is combined arms. just my unasked 2cents lol.
Gun is gun, even 36mm is enough to kill something
Sort of like how people say .22 is a peashooter but it’s still perfectly capable to kill
Beta is mostly flesh, it 36mm can penetrate then there’s no reason to go higher, also the Bradley vs t90 example is dumb
Are BETA vulnerable to DEW as much as they are kinetics? I've often wondered what would happen if humanity in this universe had more advanced weaponry down to even the infantry level. Like infantry plasma weapons or if the BETA were resistant to such attacks Gauss and rail guns.
The BETA resources have been used to create energy weapons on two occasions, both with extremely effective results. They basically just melt through the BETA, but as the BETA are drawn toward advanced technology, these weapons naturally become high value targets...BETA magnets for miles around. Otherwise, without those resources, the tech hasn't been fully researched and it seems weapons developers of that world won't create lasers the way we do, but instead would follow the path of least resistance and create them based on the above weapons.
@@yamamotomechbattles i figured if they scaled down and distributed the weaponry enough amongst the troops on all fronts it would end up evening out in how the BETA pursue them. Though hopefully with fewer casualties
@@DarkElfLover Yeah, as more hives can be captured, more of the weaponry can be developed. Speculative works have kind of explored how TSF designs and future conflicts might play out based on this tech
@@DarkElfLoverSome strains of BETA can be killed my small arms fire heck you can kill a soldier class with a pistol if you hit it right even punching it
@@joshuajoaquin5099 oh I've no doubt with how weak the soldier and warrior classes are but i am more concerned for tank grappler and destroyer class ones. But I'm more thinking XCOM enemy within lasers or plasma rifles. Or if thats too much rail guns and coilguns like XCOM 2.
Lockweed Martin 😂😂😂😂
Yep, that and Boening lol
They change the name maybe for copy right reasons.
General dynOmics
I find it funny the manufacturer names are rip-offs. It's hard not to laugh at "McDaell Doglum" XD
For sure. Boening and Lockweed...even FIREchild Republic
@@yamamotomechbattles I find it comical they have the A-10 with two GAU-8s. As if one wasn't enough XD
@@BullDeerAryu_ One is never enough lol
g e k i s h i n
n a u
We going to the motherland for the next TSF lore vid
@@yamamotomechbattles b a l l i l a i k a
@@yamamotomechbattles when is new vid coming out?
How come Muvluv has such cool details while the anime is so trash?
It is a great tragedy lol
I think they never have a good enough budget to make it as good as it needs to be. The story is too ambitious to be told with the typical 12-episode cour set up.
Well shoot will the rest of the world get serious about the beta threat other than the US and the soviets in real life and in fantasy sucks
Haha yeah the Soviets are shifty troublemakers even in this setting. The rest of the world...well they are the ones suffering and fighting, the US is fighting too, but not suffering as much.
nuke beta
they did...and everything went to hell when the G-bombs made the planet inhabitable in almost continents in exchange to erase the hives, but they where underwater anyways if i'm not wrong
Do the Japanese TSF next
Either them or the Soviets, I still haven't decided lol