SMG4 - War of the Fat Italians DOESN'T WORK
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- SMG4 War of the Fat Italians 2022 is apart of the Lawsuit arc. This is why this is a bad decision.
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Wotfi's over the years have been a combination between standalone and arc included. However it appears that arc Wotfi videos are taking over with the last 3 years including the CZcams arc and the Genesis arc to have a War of the Fat Italians. This is why it hurts SMG4 and the overall narrative and why we need a new format for the series.
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SMG4 AKA SuperMarioGlitchy4 is an animated series based on Super Mario 64 bloopers AKA SM64 machinima and GMOD AKA Garry's Mod. It has had a variety of arcs such as the Waluigi arc the Rapper Bob arc the Anime arc the Genesis arc the Revelations arc and the Lawsuit arc. Currently we're in an arc based on Lawyer Kong. This is not an SMG4 Theory like my SMG4 Court Theory or SMG4 DMCA Theory. This is not my SMG4 Wotfi Theory. This is not a Wotfi rap or Wotfi 2022 or War of the Fat Italians. SMG4 is under Glitch Productions which is an animated studio that has had a variety of animated shows such as Meta Runner Season 1 Meta Runner Season 2 Sunset Paradise and Murder Drones Season 1 with Meta Runner Season 3 just finished. Although this is SMG4 about an arc focusing on Meggy and Mario and Bob and Boopkins.
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Good comparison in the video. It really helped get your point across.
I kinda like the 2020 arc of wotfi because smg3 is a fat Italian
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I have to disagree with some of the stuff you said but I can see where you are coming from and I respect your opinion
To be honest the problem with The Lawsuit Arc is that it is too similar to The CZcams arc but has a considerably worse main villain
I feel like people are forgetting about the Revelations arc, which doesn't end in a WOTFI.
Fr and that was a pretty dark one too it ended with a mini movie special rather than a wofti
What about anime arc?
And the rapper Bob arc?
it did ended, just didn't pick back up until like halfway into college arc.
@@RuoLibros The Anime Arc was the only arc to be the single year arc that doesn't end with a Wotfi. Rapper Bob Arc came out the same year as the Waluigi Arc, and Revelations with Lawsuit. While i dislike the Anime Arc, I respect it for not having Francis be like "Hahaha, I killed your octoling ally. Now I'm going to send you to do wotfi challenges, lol".
huh, forgot that existed.
I would personally love to see an arc where the antagonist wins instead of the same thing where the story reaches its climax and then they end it with the antagonists being defeated.
But if Lawyer Kong wins, SMG4 is over for good!
@@speedylitsonic7347 I never said this arc.
@@commentwar4802 Oh
I agree. Stories where the hero always comes out on top is boring, I think it would be awesome if they lost for once and also I think it would be nice if some other person got the spotlight for once. I mean Mario and SMG4 having the spotlight is fine, but Meggy has been getting way too much screentime compared to the rest of the cast including Bowser and other nintendo ip characters. I would just love for SMG4 to make someone else the star for once other than Meggy.
@@razo5567 no every one likes meggy lol
3:48
I wish this statement was not the truth.. lol
There *is* gonna be an extra step to what you mentioned though, but that would have been literally all the arc was for, which I agree with you makes everything rly repetitive lol
Yeah honestly its getting really repetitive and I wish we can get something more original again!
Well woops
At the very least, the rap battle is epic in terms of instrumentals.
Welp, I think you know what I'm going to say.
I don’t have any issue with this as it’s fun to see these fun challenges, and then get a fun song in the end.
The Genesis arc is the only exception, but only for the challenges, the song is still a great addition.
I hate it
@@smbd1234ok? Maybe be constructive about it and explain why? Thid dude explained why he thinks they are a good thing. Personally I think they are too.
@@PurpleFury2375 I think the new comedy ever since 2021 is awful all it is is just Screaming and overexadurating faces
@@smbd1234 just don't watch it lol
@@smbd1234 I like it when it’s done right like with the waluigi arc
First off, I think the "War" part fits when there are teams as a war is not fought by two people. Second off, there were proper surprises at the end of WOTFI this year. I did not see the redesigns coming. Third, it was a war of the Fat Italians for each example. Mario Vs SMG4. SMG4 Vs SMG3. SMG4 Vs Mario. In the most recent, we had SMG4 Vs Mario. And lastly, there just fun. Enjoy them for existing and congratulate the hard work put into them.
I think after If Mario was in Splatoon 3 had a new SMG4 model, everyone saw the SMG4 and SMG3 resdesign coming. I will say though that I was surprised about the Fishy Boopkins/Bob redesigns, since those weren’t hinted at
I completely agree with the Third Part. All the Wotfis had to have something with fat Italians. Since SMG4 and 3 are recolors of Mario, then they are fat. The last two with SMG4 vs Mario is Shadow Mario(I guess) and Mario under Nintendo’s Influence
@@yeetyeet3279 i honestly didn't see it coming
@@yeetyeet3279 I Honestly didn't see it coming but that's mostly because I choose to not read into stuff since as you said would make me expect things
This opinion basically tackles the fact of how wotfis aren't bad or anything. Like this is glitch production's choice not yours. If you don't like his arcs then don't watch him. It's not like he is going to listen to one person who just hates the facts that every wotfi has a rap at the end and follows the same path
Idk why, but I feel like WOTFI as arc endings might just continue being a trend
And that isn't a problem.
@@PurpleFury2375 exactly. True facts right here
@@PurpleFury2375 Objectively incorrect
@@supergogeta7970 I feel bad for you
@@PurpleFury2375 W
I personally like watching wotfi's that end an arc but I do see everyone wanting to see a stand alone wotfi. Some make sense some don't but in the end it's SMG4s choice. I hope to see a stand alone but I'm not complaining either way. I'm just hoping for an awesome rap battle
The main thing I like about the Wotfi's ending the arcs is the rap themselves, maybe the Mario Challenges, (the thing that brought Saiko's redesign) should be when Wotfi's take place and still have some arcs end in a song, for me they add a huge amount of enjoyment to the arcs and Zero/Objection are both bangers, this would give the best of both worlds with Wotfi still being the war of the fat Italians but keeping the songs (that tbh feel less like a rap and more like a actual song)
Imagine going to a trial for your 10 years of hardwork on the internet and then your in-training lawyer starts rapping
This is exactly what will happen
I disagree. In my opinion yes we can predict that the antagonist always loses but we get 10-20 minutes of challenges and funny moments. And then the rap battles are always fire. Yes I also love the rap battles with no arcs but the ones with an arc going on hits different. For example, the wotfi arcs always have some sort of twist. Like once the antagonist is winning and then the protagonists starts to win and the antagonist loses. It also effects the music in some sort of way. Like when the antagonist starts to rap the music has some sort of feeling like the antagonist is gonna win.(THIS IS JUST HOW I FEEL) Meanwhile when the protagonists start to sing the music changes the feeling like he protagonists are going to win. (AGAIN, THIS IS JUST HOW I FEEL) Also your prediction you mentioned about the ending in 3:48 , you were almost correct EXCEPT, after the wotfi arc was premiered today you can see that in the ending there is always a permanent change. Like if you look at wotfi 2018, waluigi still feels rejected but wario always comforts him. In wotfi 2020, smg3 lives in the internet graveyard now. In wotfi 2021 axol dies. In wotfi 2022 lawyer Kong becomes funky Kong. Speaking of wotfi endings, in the endings of wotfis with an arc, there is always either a good or bad ending. In wotfis with no arcs going on only have one ending. And it's kinda short. Because if you look at 2015, 2016, 2017 and 2019's wotfis you can see the ending after the arc is pretty short. Meanwhile for wotfis like 2018, 2020, 2021 and 2022's wotfis always have a longer ending than the wotfis with no arcs currently.
So in my opinion (JUST MY OPINION.)
One wotfi should exist every year as it is a tradition.
The wotfi can be done as an end of an arc or simply just Smg4 vs Mario, though in my opinion the wotfis with an arc are better.
Now I'm not hating on your opinion or anything. I'm simply making a statement of how I think.
Thank you for reading my opinion.
I agree to you to some of your opinion
Disagree
Here you dropped this king 👑
I think the raps get worst and worst and there not even funny anymore
@@smbd1234 I respect all opinions but this one
I have to disagree. In a world with so many shows with complex plots and longer arcs having SMG4's arcs follow a more standrad 'Fairytale' structure (I.E Happily ever after at the end) is kind of a fresh change of pace from a lot of the heavier stuff out now these days. If you like more unpredictable content, I suggest checking out SMG4's original shows, those are pretty good. :)
That is fair. But I feel like it robs what could've been a satisfying ending. Even though the Revelations arc isn't great, it didn't end in a WOTFI, and I like that it didn't. For me, it's not the fact that "oh it's just a WOTFI ending a story arc woohoo." It's that they don't do anything with it. WOTFI could be better incorporated into these arcs, and do things only unique to that specific arc.
Why change something from good to bad?
I miss the dumb yet funny stuff though
To be honest, I don't really mind arc-related WOTFIs, although I do understand where you are going at with this and why people don't like them either.
same
I’m fine with them but it’s been 3 years since a non arc WOTFI it’s getting a bit tiring
@@NotRockMan Yeah I agree it is getting a bit old as well.
@@tookeydookey i meann so?
smg4 literally a memer
and for the memers something old or dead doesnt means thats are not fun bruh.
i want the fire beats tho
Honestly, the only good thing that I see about WOTFI being part of an arc is how it's rap battles are the best. Also, I'm not sure if to say it completely ruins the arc since SMG4 hasn't never been something to be taken to seriously, but I 100% agree with you when it comes to the name itself and how predictable they can be. Also, apparently, this WOTFI will change SMG4 according to the description. Let's just hope SMG4 can find a balance of one year a standalone WOTFI and next year an arc WOTFI.
I would love to see that, That way for the people that want a stand alone WOTFI I can happen every 1st year and an arc related-WOTFI every 2nd year. Like the Olympics but not every 2/4 years
Bruv its the 3rd time he said that wotfi will change SMG4 lol
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Nah bro they changed the character himself😭😭
Yoi guessed it! Funny anual event with an event that has its reputation ruined because they cant just end the stupid arc on its own, they ofc needs to make it with the annual event because theu cant just work on a war of THE FAT ITALIANS and a proper ending that isnt a stupid song.
I personally love it when wotfis are in a arc, I can see your point though, and respect your opinion cause I can totally see where you are coming from
3:48 congratulations, you picked the very very very generic summary of the episode. While wotfi has a style, it's the in betweens that mean things. It's how the style is kept the same but still different from all the other times wotfi was the end of an arc.
I think it's amazing story telling when something that seems like a repeat of the same thing, is still so unique
I agree
I love how thus whole comment section is a bunch of 12 year old Smg4 bootlickers who didn't even watch the video and are crying because someone has a different opinion than them 🤣
Plot twist: SMG4 saw this and makes WOTFI the half-way point.
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IMAGINE
@@The_Artist_Official yes
@@The_Artist_Official Fanfic smgold Revenge lawyer Kong
Broly Kong 2023
In my opinion I really enjoy Arc WOTFI’s but then again, I would like at least a couple Stand Alone WOTFI’s
The first 3 and 2019 were standalone
@@braydenfranklin705 You mean the first 7 and 2019
@@saievsok8981 My bad, I was thinking about the ones with rap battles that weren't part of arcs.
what's funny and annoying about the Nintendo reference is that Nintendo then proceeded to release ANOTHER NEW SUPER MARIO BROS GAME IN 2D
New Super Mario Bros for the Wii U (for Nintendo switch)
Im surprised u didn't commented at all about how the deaths în the war of fat italiana doesn't fit at all just bc of how much damage they can take în other episode and still look completly fine
Actually I disagree because each arc is different and unique. Loads of surprises are filled within each one. The rap isn't necessarily the war of the fat Italians since it usually has a more tense and better storyline but the challenges is when the war commences between them. Each rap is different yet still cool along with the surprises filled within each arc and this always gets to wondering what the next one has to offer and that's what I love about these. So in my opinion, these arcs follow the similar flow, but have so many different and cool features each time and that's what makes each arc unique.
He talks about the wotfi wich he mean wotfis began to be boring
@@modyahmed3016 and this guy is saying that the WORFI are not boring and that the arcs benefit that
WOTFI’s now are more used to have the challenges to be a bit refreshing as a break, and then the rap battle as a finale. To be fair, WOTFI 2022 was actually pretty decent, it was a Segway into SMG4 and SMG3’s new designs. There was more to the arc than what you said, though it’s basically what you said.
Now I’ve watched it the Wofi itself isn’t that bad but the fact everybody died and that and then got revived immediately kind of hurts it
Thats what happens when your arcs rely on completely predictable shock value
At least we know when the arcs end right
WOTFI is a tradition! And it's been a tradition year after year since the channel started. You're not gonna go down to Japan and tell them to stop having seasonal festivals, or pound on the presidents office and demand fourth of July be cancelled (which someone actually tried, and people did it anyways.) Wotfi is a celebration of another year that smg4 has been on CZcams.
did you watch the vid
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@@chrissanchez5489 ur such a boy scout, when are you gonna give a guy a break
he isnt saying to end ALL WOTFIs, just the arc ones
The only arc where WotFI makes sense is the CZcams arc, considering it is, in fact, a war of fat Italians
Well sorry if I’m acting like a nerd but they’ve been a part of SMG4 since 2011
I'm kind of worried for this guy... sometimes youtubers who arent very popular get cancelled by higher youtubers. But smg4 isnt like that. the community inparticular would probably send a lot of hate to this guy... welp, good luck!
I was fine with WOTFI being an arc finale. But after three straight years, we need a regular “back to the roots” WOTFI for 2023. Kinda like how 2018 was an arc finale but 2019 was a more laid-back slice of life one.
I can safely say that WOTFI 2019 is the most overlooked and underrated one of them all.
People barely remembered WOTFI 2019
@@NiteHuntRick Probably because it was shit.
The Revoluation arc is the only one where there is no wotfi as if recently
i honestly thought they were gonna make a lighthearted arc like BOB’s ARC with their new character Karen. since it seemed like she was showing up as appearances more and more. but now her scenes feel like small filler in episodes since Luke would normally use another asset for minor roles
well, she didnt get an arc, but an episode. thats still cool, right?
I say if it’s working for them then there’s no need for them to stop. Its a yearly anniversary type episode that started so long ago that it’s basically tradition for SMG4 and his community.
Altho you are kinda right, its just the fact that we don't know what is actually going to happen. For example: What is the rap battle going to be like?, What are the challenges, How will this arc come to an end?
I agree with all but 1 of your questions, the challenges are suggested by the community so yea. Agreed with the rest.
@@ivanboombro1492 not all people(like me) are gonna know what the people suggested and who's suggestions are gonna be in
@@thatgayguy9365 I mean you could get an idea ik it’s like impossible to know all but you could get an idea
@@ivanboombro1492 honestly i just thought it was a temporary skit considering how meggy (who now has a voice actor after the... you know...) transformed also which it was bound to be temporary so i just thought it was just to make things make sense
What is even the point of being called War Of The Fat Italians if now it is a war of the entire cast ._.
Exactly it used to be mario vs smg4 now it’s the smg4 cast vs the villain
I say this arc is the one wotfi works the least with because it is a trial, not a game
22? this is the worst affilation for a wotfi
@@aegislashkoW bruh.
I would really want the wotfi episodes to rework their endings. With standalone episodes the rap battle works because it doesnt establish a winner and its like the final challenge. But with the arc episodes, we know that the rap battle is the only thing mattering. What’s the point of watching the challenges if all of that is meaningless for the final part? (it was the same problem with the meme games btw, that should be acnowledged too)
Gonna be honest here. I personally love all the arcs.
As much as i respect your opinion entirely, i am trying not to cry about it.
War of the fat itallians was supossed to be... well a war of the fat itallians, but now it is war of the characthers
You just earned yourself a sub man, thx for a very well made vid😊
The next WOTFI will probably be standalone. As for the anatomy of WOTFI in general, I too think WOTFI was ruined by the participants being more than just SMG4 and Mario. I also believe most WOTFI's in the future will continue to be the ends of Arcs and that The Meme Games will be standalone. Mayhaps they'll just trade Arcs. They also need to cool it with the Arcs in general, we need maybe a year break from them, period. We've had Genesis, then Revelations a few months later, then the Saiko and Kaizo thing, then the Lawsuit Arc. It's too much to handle in the span of 1 year. This has left very little time for SMG4 videos to be SMG4 videos.
The fact that the WOFTI arcs follow the same way. like, every-protagonist-is-saved-from-whatever-is-happening, it's just boring.
This is the first time i want the antagonists to win. *I have come up with a theory before the release.*
*THEORY: Kirby is NOT a Judge!*
Kirby, the pink puffball we all know, now became a judge, but *"HOW"* did he became one. Here's some things i found on google.
*1. Earn a bachelor’s degree*
*2. Take a LSAT*
*3. Attend law school and earn a juris doctor*
*4. Pass the bar exam*
*5. Practice law*
*6. Earn your Judgeship*
But how does some puffball do all of this? well. In canon, Kirby is a ball who can inhale, spit, gain copy abilities, and alot. How did he earn a bachelor's degree? He just did all hero stuff, and he gets a degree. and *how did he get a LSAT?* According to Google, U.S News tells us that law school admissions experts recommend getting *at least 150 or more.*
*Did he even practice law? NO! He just does his kirby stuff, and he passes the bar exam!*
How does *one puffball who loves food and doesn't pay attention easily, PASS A BAR EXAM?*
In WOFTI 2022, *Kirby says, "The trail of SMG4 vs Nintendo is about to begin!"* Well, i'd like to say that *Kirby is a false judge*, why? Well how WOFTI works is that SMG4 takes alot of requests, and makes them real, *if they're related to a trial, then it would make sense. if it isn't, then its proclaimed to be false for a court trial.*
That is my theory on how Kirby is a false judge and how SMG4 and Friends will lose the trial.
*I hope you find this helpful.*
Arc WOTFI doesn't feel like mario vs smg4 anymore, more like the wannabe main cast vs their shadow the hedgehogs or some other villian or whatever they do, they should rename it to WOTEBG aka War of the Evil Bad Guys or something
all this makes me glad that the revelations arc ended in a movie instead of a wotfi
I really hope that Luke sees this. It really speaks out on the main issue with WOTFI nowadays.
Ok, not doing this bs
Your call.
Wait what? I'm afraid that I don't understand what you’re getting at. Could you please elaborate?
No it doesn't. And Luke will never stop even if he did see it. WOTFI's are perfect as arc enders especially depending on the arc concept and it still revolves around a Fat Italian against another Fat Italian
To be fair, all WOTFI's (except for 2020 but that's fine as the "Italians" part seems to refer to SMG4 and SMG3 instead of 4 and Mario) have haid SMG4 and Mario on opposing sides.
1. Waluigi made the 2 fight eachother.
2.The gang had to fight MArio clones in 2021.
3. MArio was forced to represent Nintendo in 2022.
The Genesis arc subverted the tone for the still optimistic that Axol will live or be freed using said light tones that is associated with the Wotfis, they still won but also lost.
That was my feeling. It WAS unpredictable to me because I wholeheartedly believed Axol was gonna survive, and I didn’t even think twice about it. And of course I ended up being wrong. Sure there are aspects that get repetitive, but the arcs that the WOTFI’s put themselves into are all very unique.
Yeah we need a non-arc WOTFI, seriously.
i hate fm for confirming that wotfi in the future are arc related! BLAME FM54321
the fm part i said was a joke but still im very heart broken about it
arc wotfis should be like waluigi arc! that arc had meaning!
@@minipz9thebastfiiter509 it’s not his fault it’s whoever makes these decisions, FM is just confirming it
@@zXagish I know it's just unfortunate but oh well
@@zXagish wotfi 2018 arc ender is still relatable tho
Good points but your forgetting that with every wotfi we get another BANGER IF A SONG
I feel like the lawsuit arc fits a little bit more with the WOTFI ending, as it was clearly more lighthearted and not meant to be as serious as the previous two. There is still defenitely the problem of predictability still there though.
Hey at least that didn’t end the revelations arc
Ay, it’s SMG4’s channel, let the man do what he wants.
It's called "Constructive Criticism"
so we cant criticize?
My b, i forgot abt the 1st amendment
@@DeveloVooshGWeb doesn't really need it nothing wrong with it
@@PMZStudio on your pov? there is something wrong with everything mate, not just smg4 and his videos. It's the same as reporting bugs of a game.
U guys are missing the point. Wotfis aren’t suppose to be apart of arcs and the fact you guys are just ignoring that kind of annoys me. These are only supposed to be Mario vs Smg4 and the fact that we can’t even a normal wotfi anymore is just so disappointing.
It's been a long time since I've watched SMG4. Coming back to SMG4 now, it kinda sucks. The remodels the redesigns, the fact that the videos actually have plot and are a lot more serious now. A bunch of anime girls all of the sudden.
It's just a LOT that has changed. Especially as someone who has been a viewer of SMG4 for a decade. Well, at the start of SMG4 when he was known as marioglitchy. (I think it was that it's been so long okay). I really miss the old content he used to do, no actual plot and nothing serious or intense tension. Just pure on lighthearted and jokes. It's not even close to before.
But I really like their glitch channel the shit they make there is good, especially murder drones. It's nice finally seeing Liam Vickers make a show.
"Devil's Advocate", who just watched WOTFI '22, here. While the format absolutely has become predictable, I think the musical element gives an exciting climax to the last few WOTFI-laden story arcs.
Plus, I think the permadeath element adds to - not subtracts from - the show because it adds tension to some of the stories.
Finally, what's bad about dark story arcs? Again, a genuine sense of conflict and tension adds to the show and makes it more than just silly meme jokes like it was in the pre-WOTFI days years ago.
i don't think his issue is the dark story arcs, i think his issue is them concluding with a WotFI, but to be fair, 2021's WotFI wasn't a conclusion, but a midpoint. the conclusion is where the true SMG0 was introduced and then later perished
@@AxtonTheObstagoon Yeah, I agree
@@Daveaintreal just for clarification: do you agree with the issue he has, WotFI 2021 being a mid-way, or both?
@@AxtonTheObstagoon I don't find a problem with the dark story arcs, I do think that sort of saving a part of the next arc for later is kinda stupid. It was still alright tho
Yeah, the title worked better with the waluigi arc, and the CZcams arc. Now I think the trend itself could use a different title when focusing on other types of arc finales, such as the lawyer arc, that focuses heavily on non fat Italian characters.
Except it is SMG4 vs Nintendo. Therefore SMG4 vs Mario. Yes Mario changes sides but it actually means something
But it used to be between smg4 and Mario exclusively, challenges and all. The start of the inclusion of side characters came when the 2017 rap battle happened (if my knowledge serves me right). Everything before was smg4 vs mario, and only that. Hence the title.
@@PurpleFury2375 and there was no deep lore behind it. Nothing serious and such, it was all fun and games. I can only assume wotfi came to be as some silly, yearly tradition that would throw smg4 and mario head to head in a series of challenges designed by the viewers. Nowadays the meaning behind it is life changing for the characters, being the true decider on whether they get to see a brighter future. I'm all down for it, but the meaning changed over the years, and so as the premise.
well, WOTFI has been a tradition since 2011, and I don't really see it ending anytime soon, however, I think 2023 should be a recharge year with no big arcs or a wotfi, maybe a meme games to hold people off, and then luke and kevin have two whole years to make a wotfi that could potentially soar above the expectations of EVERYONE
Bro chill. These are supposed to be comedy breaks. Glitch is primarily COMEDY. NOT arcs. And if you don't like it, stop watching and let the rest of us enjoy it.
Sorry bro but is look like SMG4 is out of ideas at this point I belive WOTFI 2023 gonna be the last straw to even the die hard fans, the problem is those dark moment of the arcs feel so forced and the after perma deaths moments not really make sense in the long run, look meggy and desti they were bitter rivals for nearly all of the episodes desti showed up but after her death meggy behave like they were BFFs all the time like my god and they barely had time to develop a real freinship that will effect her like this mentally, as for the death of axol it was a wrong move in all direction, making it effect melony mentally hard don't work since she behave like he was her BF for good years when they didn't have really time to develop a proper relationship, it was axol's fault to die nope it was just SMG4 the character's fault for taking the risk of bringing dead memes out of the graveyard, does he was the right character to kill not either since he was here for enough time that some will love him yet he not the longest stayed OC character that he was the right choise, add to the fact they did nothing with melony after revelation despite using the revelation as hype of her being a more major cast member basically just screw the purpose of a SMG4 movie when instead of using it to develop the character like they did with meggy on meggy's destiny which developed her character afterward it was just give her a big moment and forget about her as a whole
@@theenderkirby939 welp you just got proven wrong cause i wouldnt really call wotfi 2023 an arc wotfi
but everything else you said idk didnt really read it
@@TheAwsumMegario welp good to know he didn't do this shtick again and hopefully for the upcoming time, still not excuse his drop in quality
I think the genesis arc didnt really finished with the wotfi but with the film
I want to see our Favorite characters genuinely lose For once. And in all honesty this WOTFI felt like a miss opportunity in terms of story. SMG4 was Genuinely Going to give up, but because Meggy's Arc as a Lawyer was Set up previously and not used very often, it was still a good use of her knowledge but again, i wish the characters would've lost or atleast lost SOMETHING this time around, and also yeah. WOTFI Does not need to end the arcs off, just end it with a n actual episode and not a tradition that is usually for Fun. I get that now we have the meme Games and WOTFI and It'd be hard not to end an arc on one of those, but if that's the case. Just freakin replace wotfi with the meme games and give arcs PROPER endings. Or, Have one half of a Year or 3 month of a year be an arc and the rest of it saved for goofy shit like they've been doing with the Mario Does stuff/plays/reacts, maybe do a reunion with the old character recolor marios and show them reacting to redesigns of themselves because they don't know what's going on. Have that be an excuse for a Reunion. Remake episodes with the redesigns, tie that into and arc maybe everyone's memories get altered or something and they have to recreate videos to restore said memories.
i like to imagine wotfi 2025 will actually just be mario and smg4 rap battling to each other because nothing happened (like, no villains return, no distractions and all that) well the crew watches, also, if you're wondering why i said 2025, well at 2025, wotfi 2015 (the most nostalgic for old fans) will be a decade old!
Honestly, the WOTFI 2020 was unique idea, having SMG4 VS SMG3, instead of SMG4 VS Mario
so, to sum up......
WOTFI-included arc isn't that bad, but plz make it more unpredictable
Not all the arcs ended in a wofti, revelations ended with a special rather than a wofti
@@fallenflames9671 but 2021 still......
I think the movie is an additional to end the entire story.
@@fallenflames9671 not all arcs Out of all 7 arcs 4 of them waluigi CZcams and genesis and now the depressing arcs ended in WOTFI thats OVER half of the arcs he has done so wdym not all arcs have cause only 3 arcs didnt end in WOTFI
@@thelegendarymarioman8461 ... Yea? What do you think "not all" means💀
I agree in Genesis Arc. Why did they have to kill off Axol?! He's a fan favorite character. Mine too. I even cosplayed him for halloween for tribute.
In reality, they killed him off just to make and sell merch.
You can’t exactly say shock value because literally everyone knew he was going to die the instant he got taken over by Zero.
For Melony’s character development? Ever since Revelations and the end of the Cosmology Saga, Melony has reached irrelevancy levels that rival Rob and Belle.
- The next time Melony will be relevant will likely be when she dies and reunites with Axol for good.
Axol was one of my favorite characters as well, and he was done so damn dirty.
- Especially since Zero returned in Revelations, invalidating any impact his “sacrifice” at the end of Genesis had
@@BoltBlades12 the one good reason I see why they would kill him is that it hurt Kevin’s voice to do, and they couldn’t just write him away easily since his voice was popular and people were wanting him to have more attention when he started fizzling out in 2020
@@theownerofthisaccount2521
Actually, that’s a misconception.
Kevin’s voice hurts more doing Boopkins than it ever did voicing Axol.
Considering in one of the Hobo Bros episodes, Luke had to stop Kevin from straining his voice with the Boopkin’s voice.
- Then in their reaction to Mask of Madness, Kevin was able to whip out his Axol voice on the fly
@@theownerofthisaccount2521 That might be a legit reason!
@@BoltBlades12 I think it’s more the combination of the two. Having to characters with that type of raspy voice, especially both main characters, is probably what would hurt. And Boopkins is just more iconic in both character and voice, as well as probably a character Kevin preferred of the two(it did also seem they didn’t know what to really do with Axol at one point)
My problem is it gets way too serious and I am not sure how to feel anymore. They originally were just SMG4 and Mario competing or arguing about something. How did we end up with complex stories?! I jus come for a good laugh.
I just see he try to pull what kirby does combine light hearted moment with serious tone but unlike kirby, SMG4 wasn't doing this stuff from his early moments, and kirby doing the reveal of the dark parts slowly but surely to executed it right while SMG4 pushing it very fast when is downright annoying or overwhelming
This just makes me love it more
All arks end in similar fashion. Well what story can you name where the bad guy wins and then the world is destroyed and all the viewers go "hell yeah", its just even worse story telling than the current one cause viewers usually like good endings where the protagonists succeed more. Even if its predictable, the way they walk to get from point A to point B is still super interesting, like the fate of the actual youtube channel being on the line or the whole universe about to be destroyed by an evil god. And it still adds unpredictability with the perma deaths or totally different things like 3 characters getting permanent different looks at once
Four characters, SMG3 was also redesigned because if SMG4 couldn't look like Mario, then why could he?
Agree. Thr Waluigi Arc was the only one that did it right imo. Imagine if in Anime Arc, Francis said "LOL, I killed this octoling. Now I'm going to send you to do wotfi challenge".
LMAOOOO you got me
not gonna lie, if smg4 makes the lawsuit arc a ace attorney case im sold
Kinda
revelations arc: ah yes, i no longer exist
I actually think wotfi works really well because of how much changes and the new things that happen
I really couldn’t’ve put it better myself!
i wish they made the genesis arc’s challenges be the cast fighting shadow mario or 0, it wouldve worked so well.
I believe you dont knew smg4.....
PREACH!!
WOTFI’s have seriously lost their charm ever since arcs became the norm.
WOTFI is supposed to be War of the Fat Italians, Mario vs. SMG4.
Nowadays, it’s looking like War of the Fucking Idiots.
Something I thought was gonna happen for some reason was in "Goodbye SMG4" when Mario gave Kirby the parody contract, Kirby would approve it and everyone would come back and SMG4 would turn to the camera and say, "There you go, a non-arc related WOTFI!" but sadly no.
The WOTFI part is specifically the comment challenges by the way. Not the entire episode. “It's mainly focused on a fight between SMG4 and Mario, which is usually settled by challenges created by X or by the viewers via the comments section, and from the 2015 video onward, always ends in a Rap Battle. As of 2022, 8 rap battles have taken place.”
Tbh, i don't even see anything interesting in arcs anymore. Every arc is "Everything good. Oh no, bad guy is here!". Then everything is getting bad and scary, bla bla bla. After that, boom, wotfi, rap battle, bad guy getting 99% weaker cuz plot armor of main cast. Bad guy lost, the end.
the 2022 wofti wasnt really this because it was a lot more “each side takes a fail in a way”
also it wasnt as dark as most other arcs (maybe except from when everyone dies but its not as sad)
I was hoping someone would make a video like this. I noticed that for the past 3 years (including the Waluigi arc) all the WOTFI'S we've been getting are always tied to an arc and are usually the big finale for them. What I don't like is how often it's being used like that. WOTFI appearing at the end of every arc feels like it's growing stale and I wish that it would just be its own thing sometimes rather than being the finale of every arc.
The two arc's that do this finale best in my opinion are WOTFI 2018 and 2020. Both of them still had a solid story with it being a little serious at times, but still felt like good ol' SMG4. With 2021, I was more just like, "eh." but for me the major thing about it was that it were trying to be serious rather than haha funni SMG4 video, and it put me off, and WOTFI 2022 appears to be going the same way.
The WOTFI 2020 rap battle is by far my favourite because it strikes a haha funni SMG4 tone which is why I like it so much. The other rap battles are good but it doesn't hit me the same way.
Anyways thank you for coming to my ted talk.
Psst, hey! Notice how he's only hearting and replying to comments that are positive completely and completely agree with him? Yeahhhhhhh, me too.
I will say you make some fair arguments, but a random out of the blue WOTFI just isn't fun anymore. It's just: Mario and SMG4 challenge each other... That's it! There's no drive behind it, there's no reason it started. Besides, in Genesis, Zero *DID* actually win, and was able to come back in revelations, the finale not being a WOTFI of course. So what if they're the same deal? It just... Why do you care? If you don't like the content, don't watch it. And if you wanna call him out directly in the thumbnail, you're kind of a shitty person. Let Luke do whatever he wants, and just stop watching the content, and definitely don't make a video about it with this.
I get it, it’s impossible to please everybody, and you even made a valid point because WOTFI expanded beyond “the fat Italians” to the whole cast. Sure this isn’t verbatim any more but now we have a larger variety and a dramatically increased amount of possibilities. I rarely say things to “critics” who make CZcams videos on other content creators with the purpose of either addressing a “problem” or just undermining them entirely. It just sounds to me like someone’s biting the hand that feeds them and has high expectations to boot. What else would drive someone to make a video on it in the first place?
Take a shot every time "WOTFI" is being said LMAO 🤣
Honestly, I'm gonna sound like a hardcore SMG4 defender here, but I honestly still enjoy the WOTFIs coming in at the end of the arcs. Even though the ending is still obvious, they are always so fun to watch. And the end with the rap battles are always the best part.
I agree, they can be fun, but he should either do a regular Wotfi every 1-2 years, or just end arcs and team challenges in the Meme Games and keep Wotfi the original way.
I agree, but it meshes heavily against the tones. Majorly noticable in the Genesis arc. Just shouldnt have ever have been there.
I think at the end of the day, you make some good points but your overall case is ultimately invalid. I agree that the WOTFIs are becoming a bit too predictable, and I concur that using them to close off each Arc is a bit tacky. However, the issue isn't with the WOTFI itself as much as it is with how they are used and what their impact is. WOTFIs are ultimately meant to be fun; the fans can submit challenges, you laugh when you watch them, and you bob your head with the rap battle. The issues occur with how they're used to close off almost every important villain Arc and that the current ones usually have to force Mario and SMG4 to fight. If they were to become stand-alone events most of their issues would be immediately resolved, and if a villain were to "win" a WOTFI I think that it would be a monumental event in the show. To put it simply: WOTFIs aren't perfect, but they are fun AND they can still be changed in the future.
The entire concept of WOTFI was purely smg4 vs mario before smg4 changed its whole entire concept and its purpose.
Using WOTFI as a cheap scapegoat to end an arc is just super dumb all together and makes all the build up feel worthless, the name itself says «war of the fat italians» not «war of the fat everyone is here italian vs some cosmic eldrich being»
It becomes stale as hell over time and way too much predictable how 99% of the time how every arc ends. Just focus less on arcs, it’s fine every now and then, but drama moments or emotional moments never has been a strong suit for smg4’s channel when comedy and funny stuff was the whole purpose and why his channel existed and got insanely popular over the years.
It doesn’t feel like SM64 bloopers anymore, it starts to feel more like of a GMOD Bloopers, and this arc all together seemed like an excuse just to put up his own design for both himself and smg3.
@@Plotpurotto no offense but this just sounds like a fan going off about the "good old days" where "it was much simpler" before they "got popular and everything was ruined". I personally embrace it. Sure, it gets predictable but I argue it would get more predictable with stand-alone WOTFIs. The Arc WOTFIs have this sort of climactic feel that stand-alone WOTFIs just don't have. In the end, they're all the same thing but with Arc WOTFIs we get a sense of an ending. Case in point, WOTFI 2019 vs WOTFI 2020, a stand-alone WOTFI that decided to go back to its roots with X being a referee vs the final clash against SMG3 for the CZcams Channel. In 2019, the framing device is a game battle that X is sick of so he throws them through some actual games (the challenges), after the challenges, X gets fed up and tries to make them compliment each other (the rap battle). After the rap battle, we stop for a bit for a joke (X leaves them) and then straight towards the credits. In 2020, however, we get a framing device for the challenges (the remote gives them to see who's worthy of the power), then after the challenges we get the darkest hour (SMG3 saying screw it and taking the remote anyway), then the rap battle (now with more background fighting), and finally, we get to see the consequences of SMG3's actions with him being locked in the internet graveyard and Meggy having a VA. Where stand-alone WOTFIs end with a joke, arc WOTFIs actually *end.* I like both but I can't deny I like the endings more than the stand-alones. That said I respect your opinions
@@Plotpurotto As NoviceYT stated so well, the Arc WOTFIs are far more engaging than the joke WOTFIs. While I think a healthy balance of both is good for the channel, my favorite WOTFIs are 2020, 2021, and 2022. Having something to lose is always a powerful method of keeping your audience interested, and with SMG4 almost every Arc WOTFI ends with a change that permanently alters the path of the show. I understand that some people prefer the more brainless humor of SMG4, but so does SMG4. The creation of "Mario reacts" or "Mario does this" videos are a way of satisfying his older fans, but their lack of impact on the cannon keeps the newer fans happy. Ultimately, WOTFIs are meant to be fun. I think that they should have a bit more variety, but I love them regardless.
@@shakarnagent5060 the problem is making all that build up towards the arc completely worthless and all honestly not making any sense to end it off with WOTFI.
Take the waluigi arc as an example, despite it was a bit all over the place, it made sense that WOTFI would be held since it was revolved around smg4 vs mario only while waluigi was in the control of everyone else and used them for the challenges where smg4 or mario had to complete. That’s WOTFI and it spiced things up.
The problem about the later arcs is that he made build ups of each and every one of them and then ends it off with WOTFI where the core concept was always about smg4 vs mario only. Not everyone vs everyone. That is one of the main issues.
The genesis arc was one of the worst offender to this. Luke and his team had this clear buildup and it was dark. What did they end it with? War of the fat italians which made no literal sense to end if off with that.
That’s my issue about this and they’ve done this now three times in a row because it’s what gets the views in.
They need to make arcs not obvious to point out, atleast make sense to end it off with WOTFI like how the waluigi arc did and balance out WOTFI between standalone ones and arc ones.
This isn’t me going «WAAAAAAAAAAAH I MISS OLD SMG4»
It’s me critizcing how luke and his team has milked this shit three times in a row now.
@@Plotpurotto I agree that WOTFIs are being overused. While I do like them, ending every arc with one is a bit tacky.
A room full of everyone who asked
The room: empty
Wow. You must be bored. Huh?
I’m pretty sure this year was sorta just an excuse to introduce the new designs for merch and flexibility with their characters. I’m not 100% sure on this but I have a feeling that things are gonna improve going forward
I _really_ couldn’t agree more to this, dude. This moved me to tears. 😭
Wotfi 2023 changed up the formula
I disagree heavily
He predicted the whole WOTFI 2022
hey, smg4 puts a lot of work into these. there are some problems sometimes, but to be honest it’s just phenomenal
I'm not counting them on doing this, but there might be a chance that there will be a twist in the middle of the War.
My personal opinion: WOTFI 2019 was the last good WOTFI. 2020, 2021, and 2022 were just okay, and that’s being generous.
(That’s just my opinion though, don’t shoot me)
Honestly, I don't know why people hate arc related WOTFIs. I really like them
Same.
Same here
Mario want to beat smg4 so much and vise versa
Thank you you are a good person
I'm fine with then too, I just wish we could have a balance of wotfi in an arc and wotfi as its own thing
WOTFIs are good.
WOTFI 2022 was fire 🔥
I hated it
It does work
At least we get musical things in the channel
WOTFI arcs are OK during the WAR part and challenges… and the rap battles are frickin AWESOME
I think the raps get worst
@@smbd1234 nah. They got worse after 2020 imo up until then tbey were always getting better
Hey guys remember when SMG4 was a comedy channel/series and wotfi was just Mario and SMG4 seeing who is better than the other? Good times.
What if a future arc was a civil war type arc with Mario and Smg4 at the forefront of either side. Neither would be the “hero” or “villain” but with high stakes determining the future of the series and also create possible new character interactions as they choose sides and maybe switch halfway through. Finishing the long building conflict with a WOTFI would then make sense and also make the end result unpredictable, hell they could even return to the original idea of letting the fans decide after spending an arc explaining the pros and cons of each side. This would be a new idea and would not really have any of the problems mentioned in the video.