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Pebble Flow Tour | Groundbreaking All-Electric RV Trailer With Powered Axle
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- čas přidán 25. 10. 2023
- In this video, we head out to Silicon Valley to check out the @PebbleLife Flow, a new travel trailer on an EV chassis coming to production next fall. Will it turn the RV industry on its end? Time will tell. Find out more here: pebblelife.com/
Winnebago has announced that its subsidiary, Grand Design RV, will make motorhomes for the first time in its 11-year history. Plus, a "Grand Design" store has opened in Green Bay, Wisconsin, but its proprietor is not-so-secretly RV dealership giant Camping World.
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Those drop down top cabinet doors may work for someone 6'2", I doubt someone under 5"6" will find it so useful.
Totally agree. I'm 5'5" and struggle with the higher cabinets we have.
Agree about the cabinets! No way I could I access anything at 5’3”. Unless I used a step stool LOL. They need to have them go up - not down.
Airstream got the overhead cabinets right. They don’t flip down for a reason.
Flip up?
We're liking the new technologies & design. Not sure about the battery lifespan or replacement costs.
We always attempt to block cabinet contents to prevent falling out when opened after a day's drive. So having the doors open downward may be a plus. P. S. We're not too short & already I have to assist the wife to the rear of any shelf.
I like this electric Rv. It has some potential. I love the Murphy bed. Love that huge dinette. Love how there is no shades. Just a button to push. Hope when it goes to market that it will sell. Thank you Jason for showing the new Pebble Flow electric Rv. It’s really nice.
This is exactly what is needed in the RV industry. This specific unit is out of my price range but if it is well accepted it will filter down to the smaller RVs that will take advantage of at least some of the innovations. Heck, 5 years ago there were few 12V compressor fridges that came standard in RVs and now they are the rule not the exception.
Correct but they need to do some design changes before bringing this to market. It won't take long for the early adopters to question "why did they do it this way?" The murphy bed and upper cupboard doors are two examples; why change what's tried and true for the sake of being different?
I look forward to the SECOND actual production year of these RVs - even if they cost more. Because, they will have worked out some of the kinks, like the cabinets that open down, instead of up.
After owning a 6 figure Airstream I wish this had been an option to consider at the time of purchase.
As a RV owner I’m looking forward to see more and more of this.
This is going to change the game . Younger couples will want this . Price point is acceptable . 👍👍👍👍👍👍👍
I love it❤ I'll get one. Hopefully it's winterized too😊 if it's winterized, I'll live in it.
A lot to love with this trailer. One small thing they may want to address - the upper cabinet doors that opens down. Short people, women, teens etc, may have some problems reaching across the door to grab items in the cabinet. The man doing the tour is 6’2” and it didn’t look like he could reach all the way back.
Other than that - amazing RV!
I love it! Finally a refreshing, interesting and innovative new product!
one of my 2 favorite RVs. Lightship L1
Vents? Fans? Window screens? I want the breeze and fresh air, not enclosed in a tube. Yes, it's got other awesome features, but how (dis)connected to nature will I feel?
Great review Jason thanks! Very interesting and aesthetically pleasing unit, and of course the electric/towing features are next level. While a premium price, this is less than I was expecting, considering the price point of airstreams! Think the Pebble is definitely going to win over many who are considering an Airstream. Being shorter, that cabinet would be an issue for me (as others have mentioned) but love the office space than hides away under the Murphy bed, the dimmable windows, and the sleek styling inside and out. As others have said, this is what consumers (including us) have been wanting - more automotive inspiration and thoughtful styling and use of space.. Very interested to see how this develops, this is one to watch! Not needing a heavy duty truck to tow it is a huge advantage. And the trailer capabilities helping the towing vehicle are brilliant. Well done as always. Thanks Jason … and Pebble! (Now… how and where can we get on the list to try one of these out - with a Rivian or Lightning!? 😜 LOL) - cheers, Julie
Love it, want one.
Glad to see the industry changing.
just saw a cybertruck towing a pebble. that's why I'm here.
Airstream Killer!
Very nice and thoughtful design! This would pair very well with the Rivian, Lightning or CyberTruck.
Looks like a great concept. I love the fact that you can control it and essentially back it into very tight spaces. I showed the video to my wife who is 5 foot four and she said the doors on those cabinets would be a showstopper for her. They really need to have those doors open up towards the ceiling. I also wonder about the windows that go opaque how those might hold up overtime. Especially with an RV going down some of the very bumpy roads we have across this nation. I also wonder why you would have a black gray tank capacity that’s 23 gallons more than your water capacity. That just doesn’t seem to make sense to me. They should either be about the same capacity or the water capacity being a little bit more.
All in all a great design, and hopefully other manufacturers will take notice.
There obviously is a lot of thought put into this one. However the single axle is a deal breaker for me. I had a bad experience with a blow on I-10 east of El Paso. Was able to change the tire using plastic leveler blocks. After replacing that tire with the spare and driving for about an hour, I had another tire catastrophically fail. The only things left on the rim were frayed bits of sidewalls. Thankfully I was able to carry on and wasn’t stranded on I-10 after dark. This was on a Airstream Classic. So glad I had two axles. At any price I would not buy a trailer with one axle and especially a “high end” one like this. Fit and finish is nice, but the substrate has to support everything.
BTW - I also do not understand the drop down doors on upper cabinets. A lot of women will be doing food prep along side all those men who will also chop veggies in the kitchen. 😉
Maybe run flat tires will solve that issue.
That looks like a great product. It's nice to see some one actually think about the user.
Pretty cool indeed. Regrettably the tank capacities are too small for this FT RVr, bc i tend to spend more time boondocking vs stay in RV Parks.
Looking forward to seeing this in person one day. Right after I win the lotto!! Beautiful though.
what a great idea it looks so beautiful and way ahead of the comp, unbelievable, WOW
Very cool. If wonder how well those small front wheels will work on grass, mud or even heavy gravel with the powered axel option only moving it.
I can answer that, no need to wonder, they won't work well or won't work at all. They need to be inflatable.
Love it all and very interested.
Only thing I HATE is the cabinet door going down VS up. My shorter wife will not be able to get anything herself and I see it breaking. 6:19
Finally. A near perfect RV for a reasonable price. That is a lot of tech and being all electric is a great thing. Easy to troubleshoot. Looks like two distinct areas to work from too. Most of the time, both folks are working remote, so it is nice to see that there are the two areas available. I am digging this one. Wish it came out before the rate hikes!
Reasonable price is a little convoluted. It is 3x more expensive than other travel trailers.
That murphy bed alignment is bad; you want to pay $125,000 to have the privilege of crawling over someone in the middle of the night? No thanks.
Agreed! @@ScubaSteveCanada
@@ScubaSteveCanada The Murphy bed ia a brilliant idea and executed well. Ferees up tons of space and allows a huge work/ entertainment area not eaten up by a bed.
Jason's face after he unfog's the glass...😂😂
hah!
I think the convenience of all electric/battery is masking the benefits of “hybrid” (electric and propane), especially during winter. Did you receive any specs about winter camping/temperature ranges for operability? Many LiFePO4 batteries have auto-cutoff for charging once the batteries are 32F and another cutoff for discharging at around -4F. One way to offset the temp drops are with battery heaters-either electric blankets or heat ducts from a furnace (usually propane powered). Did you get a sense of wall thickness/insulation? Seems to me that Imperial Outdoors line of Xplore trailers with -40F to 120F range of use are the best rigs out there both for deep winter and hot summer camping.
Since the electric drive train has regenerative braking, that can be used to heat the batteries too. The solar will still work while driving and the panels can power electric. This trailer does have an electric furnace which can send heated air across the batteries if designed to do that.
Yes yes yes! If I could afford it. I can’t, but I think it’s worth it… To not have to handle hitching the heavy sway control bars, to be able to get it backed in or parked easily would be a dream come true especially for solo older travelers.
Those hitch tires are OK for paved or concrete but no-go on gravel or dirt. (which makes them useless in boondocking scenarios.
I think it's flippin awesome! Except for the black/grey tank. With all of that battery power, they should put in an electric incinerator toilet.
I like it! Love the concepts presented and believe many of the axle technologies would be great across the industry. I don’t expect to see these in state park campgrounds next year, but hope that these will be ready by 2025. I would seriously consider looking at one if we wanted to have a weekend getaway trailer. Cool concept.
I custom upgraded my RV to hold 10kWh of LFP and 900W solar, and that's considered a lot by today's standards, well, used to. This thing just made dinosaurs out of not just Airstreams, but every production RV out there.
This is a giant step in the right direction.
The remote control parking and hitch hook-up is certainly a game changer.
One small complaint, though. Those overhead kitchen cabinets would not work for my little 5’ tall wife.
Thanks, Jason!
Love the concept. What does storage look like? Clothes, groceries, toiletries? Would it accommodate one or two small dogs - if so where.
I'm super excited about this new trailer, we just bought a new Airstream so I'm not in the market, but I thinks it's a great addition to the RV world!!
Interesting design concept and prototype but I’m waiting to hear the details on the construction. If they want to play in the airstream market, they also need to have the construction of an airstream or better. There’s a reason those things are sitting around in farmers fields for 50 years and still look pristine.
We’re waiting to hear what the frame is made of hopefully aluminum, what the walls are made of what the roof is made out of , the weight on that axle is that looks like an awful lot of stuff on a single axle.
Otherwise, they’ve made a very intriguing vehicle. Can’t wait to see more detailed specs.
Hi there! Thanks for your feedback. The Pebble Flow has been built using rigorous automotive manufacturing processes. All-aluminum space frame construction. Lightweight & durable composite and sustainable materials. Built-to-last durability that surpasses industry standards. We're committed to making Pebble Flow the safest RV on the road :)
Pretty nice seeing someone doing something completely different.
Looks perfect to me!
Impressive and much needed in this industry!
Finally! This is so awesome. I have always said that you can tell how well something is made versus an RV manufacturer's version!
Looks awesome. Sadly it is outside of my budget but I think that considering everything you talked about that the price isnt bad at all.
The concept and design is super clever, but for a few items: i) the interior feels very cold and could benefit from a bit more plushness and less plastic looking, shiny surface; ii) the drop down upper cabinet doors would likely be an issue for someone of lesser height, like me, and I don’t want to climb on a step stool to gat my dishes and snacks after paying this much for a trailer, iii) are there screens on the windows that open. I didn’t see one, and only one window appeared to open; iv) I’d prefer windows that blackout rather than simply go opaque, as light can still get in at night and forms can still be seen from the outside, which is a bit embarrassing if we want to enjoy a private moment with a partner or while in the bathroom.
At 25' I would prefer to have a double axle so that when a tire fails I have some safety built in. Perhaps the company has a means to compensate for this?
This looks really awesome. Especially for those of us who want a workspace but don't want to have to put down the dinette to sleep every night and reset it to work in the morning. We were considering upgrading to an airstream but now...
That being said, I would like to see the storage options or will i have to throw everything in the truck bed still?
Wow! Just take my money! I’ve been hunting for something to tow with my midsize SUV and avoid having to buy a dedicated tow vehicle. For my solo self, this could easily be a full-time rig. Plus it’s sustainable! Thanks for tracking this down.
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What mid suv do you have that can tow 6500lbs? Ford explorer as an example 5600lbs max.
Great Video! Even tho that guy crashed your shot sitting there looking at his phone... I was surprised at the price - thought it would be 2-3 times what you stated. If they can hit that pricing, they will sell tons of these. Those downward swinging cabinet doors however are a no-go. If they are serious about functionality, they will change them. Otherwise looks like an amazing unit!
Well it’s going in the right direction for sure. Good to see some new ideas coming along. When you think of it. It’s all power it moves it self and helps you tow. For what it is it’s not to expensive. When airstream is more no power. It is for sure a good option. 🛠️🇨🇦🛠️🇨🇦
Really cool!
I just preordered one 😮
STUNNING,EXCELLENT, SOLID! GREAT PRICE.ALTHOUGH I CANT AFFORD IT. FINALLY AN AMERICAN MADE TRAILER THAT MEETS THE 21ST CENTURY!
As a 5 foot tall person, those drop down cabinet doors won't work. Did I miss the microwave? I would buy this rig if it was available today. Except for the cabinet doors.
Sorry, I forgot to show the microwave. It's a marine-style convection microwave.
Very interesting. Love all the features. The fact it can line itself up and hook up would sell me. I may be a serious buyer soon.
I love it.... That is a fine-looking RV and like you I am really surprised by the cost, I would have expected it to be 150k or more. Great review- Kyle
Beautiful
Love the idea, thanks for sharing.
oooh, oooh - the white space behind the desk also looks like the perfect screen for a projector. Finally someone who doesn't have RV industry experience making an RV because we've seen how that industry experience is more like a chain around their ankles than a source of any innovation whatsoever.
That's because North America has not followed the lead of the European Caravan designers and their innovations. OK, the crappy cassette toilet was adopted but that's for weekend warriors.
Ultra Short Throw Projector and Bob's your uncle (or auntie)
❤ it! Sleek & modern
As you mentioned, this is a prototype and like automotive prototypes, it has some cool features but really isn't designed for 90%+ of current users. I agree that it is definitely a competitor to Airstream in terms of price and design, but even after recently growth, Airstream is only the top 10% of the towable market, so now you'll have two companies fighting for 10% total market share. The vast majority of buyers of towable RVs are not anywhere near that price point, and the buyers who are will typically be looking at the Class A motorhome segment. If, as you mention, people might be interested because they "don't want to buy a bigger, more expensive truck", why would they spend more than the most expensive pickup on a $100K+ trailer?? And I can't imagine what the repair bill is if you have to replace a pane of that 'capacitive' glass on the interior or exterior?? However, ultimately, there is probably enough people that have unlimited funds that can keep a niche company like Pebble going since they're probably never going to be a 'high-volume' mfg.
As for specific features, there are a lot of cool features on the RV, but the storage capacity is significantly lacking. All that "open interior space" is because there are limited cabinets and you mentioned that there is a "full pass-thru compartment" but did not show it. Did they not show the "basement" storage because it's minimal or very narrow, likely due to the undercarriage being dominated by the batteries and water/wastewater storage tanks? And speaking of water/wastewater, you mentioned that the mfg said the prototype can go "about a week off-grid" on one charge. However, electricity is rarely the limiting factor to off-grid living, especially with the options of expanded solar or generators. The biggest limitation(s) to time camping 'off-grid' is typically freshwater and wastewater capacity. With a 37-gallon freshwater tank and a 50-gallon "combo" wastewater tank, you'll be lucky to make it a week off-grid if there is more than one person in the trailer or unless you're practicing maximum water conservation.
Cool idea with some neat features (and I'm all for RV mfgs "thinking outside of the box" of traditional RV design) but Pebble has a long way to go from "prototype" to something that is widely usable by a large segment of the towable RV buyers...and especially at a reasonably affordable price! Most of all, I'm disappointed that this video sounded like an advertisement instead of an unbiased review of pros and cons of the product. I've come to expect more from your channel, especially since you typically present yourself as a source of "RV Industry News".
This trailer is impressive. I don't think short people can get to the kitchen cabinets, though. The hinge needs to be at the top. I love the removable 2-burner induction stove, and also the Murphy bed that doesn't fold. Mostly I'm impressed with the magic hitch, though.
Exciting product! Great video! Thanks for your hard work.
While the power will last a week, no way will a 50g grey/black tank last 3 days with my crew. How confident are you in the build quality on the Alaska Highway? It would be fun to stress test it!
Thanks! Another great presentation.
Thanks for the support, Jeff!
Very cool! Thank you for another awesome video!
Thanks for watching!
Incredible
That was a nice short review, and certainly gives food for thought. It would be pretty easy to change the way the doors work on those cabinets, and to put a more suitable tire on the front. Overall it seems like a pretty good idea to me, and would overcome the range anxiety issue when towing with an EV. However, though a smaller vehicle might not have to do all the pulling, its axles would still have to support the hitch weight just like with any other RV, unless they can find a way to keep the front wheel deployed and help support the weight. My F150 can only go to 500lb without a WDH, and its payload is 1363lb, so not much would be left after hooking up the Pebble. This might be a good match for bigger EVs like the Lightening or Rivian. It is shockingly expensive though. Perhaps there will be a good rental market for it, or it might be permanently installed in high-end RV parks like I have seen for Airstreams.
Good kit yes, but 2 bads. Top cupboard doors should open upwards, and more windows around table area. (35 years towing several vans.)
Finally! An RV that I can pull with my Yugo!
I’m curious about how they are planning to heat and cool the trailer. Heat pump? How about storage space? Other than the cabinet doors and the price, I like it.
I can foresee neighbors being scarred when people forget to activate the capacitive glass before changing clothes. 😂
It's an automotive air conditioner and electric heater. They didn't like any of the air conditioners offered by the RV industry for some reason.... lol
@@RVMilesI can see why rv systems are not very efficient.
It has a heat pump which handles heating and cooling.
@@RVMiles the Pebble Flow does not use resistive heating, it has a heat pump
Finally a modern RV in the states. A bonus is the back up house battery component and the full week boondocking capacity (unsurpassed). To those missing the slide and roof vents - after multiple catastrophes with our new Lance, I will pass on the slides and roof vents. This appears to be built for reliability. Plus they have large windows to open. Part of the user experience is not having to fix your RV every time you return home from a trip. If it can accomplish that, I will consider shelling out $120k. Compliments to the designers.
Hal...Open the RV door!
OMG I still can see him enough😅😮
I would pay $120k for that before I paid $120k for THORstream!
I would want dual axle just for safety's sake a blowout would be really bad on such a long trailer
This is definitely the future of towables. It'll take some time for the tech to filter down to mainstream trailers but they will.
This would be fantastic for a couple. It has a lot of features including shade-free windows and easy towing. The only drawback I can see is the glass bathroom, door. Just because of that, I don't think it would be a family unit
Glas is opaque.
Cabinet doors would never work for my wife at 5’ 2”. She was liking it till she saw that. Also what about ventilation?
Love it, like the power axle, that would help in parking in camps.
This is the future of rv'ing love it.
Gee I love it
I would love for them to give me one for free. I would use it like crazy for me and my daughters. Single father here definitely would make lots of great memories with his daughters. I would upload videos weekly using this.
It's about time.!
Nice review. I think that it will eat into Airstreams sales for sure.
Looks like a unit our 4 Runner could easily tow………..and my husband can’t back a trailer so great so the self driving is darn cool!!
Very cool! Definitely a consideration of looking at a high end small trailer. Wait, did I miss the review of storage? Exterior storage? Type of toilet?
There's a passthrough exterior storage for your gear and it comes with a macerating toilet. :)
Yes, one of the two co-owners of this company said in an interview he's had 3 years of Pandemic camping experience. Way less than I would expect for someone trying to make things better in the industry. Also, that small of a battery pack won't last long heating water, the interior, and cooking. My 3500Wh set up lasts me two days without charging and that's without running an AC.
Great little camper, but fulltiming even for a couple it’s pretty narrow. How does it heat and cool?
I love the concept and do hope other manufacturers follow, however, it’s unlikely they will due to the narrow market with a premium price tag. Also most RV manufacturers have little interest in producing a high quality product. Sure it’s possible that if there’s enough demand the price could come down. It’s a good start. It’s not totally clear how much natural light will come in on the driver side. As Airstream owners we love how open and bright they are. If you mentioned an exhaust fan or skylights I missed it. I don’t like the overhead cabinets with the downward opening doors. A shorter person would experience difficulty reaching into them.
Storage, fridge, sleeping area, washer/dryer are some of the weakest in this very cool RV. I would add a roof top tent, consider a 32ft VR so to have rooms for those I mentioned. You can say it sleeps 4, but if I have a boy and a girl who don't sleep together, a 3rd bed is required. I would make the queen bed drop down instead of swing down. More room when it is out of sight. 25ft is too small already. Add options for two bund beds in the front and rooftop tent. More storage inside and outside are a must. On the outside, table folded up becomes part of the exterior wall, and folded down and it becomes a builtin table. Builtin D-ring hooks on the exterior for rope...tarf...on the I terror, more USB C on all walls. The interior is missing a solar and TV area. The dinette area is not 100% as comfortable as a solar.
Where do you store your clothes? All these amenities are great. Till they don’t work.
Finally! A good design with the features people really want. I hope they disrupt the rv industry the way Tesla has the auto industry
Okay thanks for the idea 😂
Im going to use my own 30 ft trailer and turn it into an ev. Im in trades . No problem saves me the money for the price tag this will come with
Gorgeous, and so tempting, but...
Where is the awning that it deploys? Is there a screen door? Window screens? Do other windows open?
I'm guessing that lighting is the problem this is solving by swinging cabinet doors down. But at 5'4" there's no way I could use these upper cabinets regularly.
And where is the rest of the storage for hanging clothes, shoes, etc? Does the dinette have storage in the benches, or is that all pass-thru?
Also, my Subaru Ascent can only tow 5000, so unless the drive train on this makes up the difference, I'll stick with my regular 19ft with screens for the breezes.
Cool
The Peeble travel trailer has the appearance of what I would imagine an Airstream would look like in the 23rd century. I wonder though if the Peeble will be considered a travel trailer or treated as a motor home for licensing purposes? After all with a motorized axle, I could see the local DMV office having some confusion over how to issue a license plate for the Peeble. But then again, it isn’t meant to be driven on the road (as it is a towed trailer) so it seems it would be tagged as a travel trailer.
Looks like a doable concept. My only comment right now is with the doors on the overhead compartments. They should be opening up instead of down. With them opening down they are going to be prone to breakage. They are likely to have something heavy set on them or someone is going to lean, or pull down, on them. Think about a short person trying to reach up into them.
Hopefully they also end up making one that is small enough to tow with a small SUV like an Escape. That's way to big for a small SUV.
I prefer to purchase a Pebble Flow in the future and pay for the powered axel instead of having to do it manually but would like to wait until they come out with a slightly bigger model. However, those cabinet doors need to open up ward or be a sliding door making it easier.
Already paid my 500 bucks. This is as revolutionary as the airstream was many years ago. A new standard has been set, on paper ( or video). Let’s see if and when I can take possession. Except for these cabinet doors and the small wheel in front, I could not find anything wrong with this trailer but lets wait till we see the final rendition. As Elon said, the design is one thing , scaling up production is another…..
This was a concept that was inevitable and I'm sure other builders are taking note. I expected a 200K price tag so the price is encouraging that these ideas will take hold in the industry.
I want one. I am all electric now, towing behind a Tesla X. Big issue: why not a gray water tank. Really, really, needs to have separate gray and black water tanks.
A combined black and gray tank? What happens if it backs up / fills up when taking a shower?