2023 Acura Integra vs Honda Civic Si - Full Comparison and Drive (POV Binaural Audio)
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- čas přidán 25. 07. 2022
- Welcome to the 2023 Acura Integra A-Spec with Technology Package. It comes with a 1.5L turbo mated to a 6 speed manual transmission and Limited Slip Differential. But should you buy its cheaper in house rival, the Honda Civic Si? Let's explore all of the differences and similarities.
This trim level starts at 35,800 but as tested sits at about $37,300 where the Honda Civic Si sits at about $28,000.
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Integra upgrades and differences from US Civic
I traded my Civic Si (2020) for a 2024 6-speed Integra. Below are the differences between the 2024 Integra 6-speed and the Civic Si that helped sway my decision. As you can see below, there are way more differences (at least 50) than are spoken of in any CZcams videos. Hope this helps those of you trying figure out the differences. BTW, as a former Si driver, I have ZERO regrets. The Integra retains the fun-factor of my Si, but also gives me all the premium upgrades I was missing-such a great real-world daily driver.
Features not available on ANY ‘24 Civic trim level:
1. Every body panel unique to Integra
2. 5.3” color windshield Heads Up Display
3. 16 Speaker ELS Studio 3D system
4. Microsuede front seats
5. 12-way power driver seat with lumbar
6. Walk-up/welcome lighting feature
7. Lighted exterior door handles (all 4)
8. Lighted interior door handles (front)
9. Ambient LED footwell lights
10. Ambient LED door accent
11. 4 drive modes (including individual)
12. Aluminum bezel around shift boot
13. Adaptive suspension (3 settings)
14. 2-driver memory (seat & mirrors)
15. Auto slide driver seat upon exit
16. Beefier horn (Yes!!! Thank you) beep-beep vs meep-meep
17. Acura specific turn signal click
18. Unique “Jewel Eye” LED headlights
19. Longer warranties (both years & miles)
20. More rigid chassis
21. Standard trim-level door sill badges
22. Trim-level on steering wheel
23. Frameless rear view mirror (auto-dim)
24. Leather ctr console trim (knee guard)
25. Unique shift knob (flat vs rounded)
26. Diamond pattern vents (vs honeycomb)
27. Gloss (vs flat black) B and C pillar
28. Wider, longer body
29. Heated side mirrors w/ signals & reverse tilt feature
30. Full LED ext lighting (incl rear turn sig)
31. Full LED int lighting (incl hatch area)
32. WiFi hotspot
33. Functional side air vents on bumper
34. More sound dampening material
35. Acura cam cover
36. Form fit battery blanket
Features not available on the ‘24 Civic Si:
1. Parking sensors front & rear
2. Rain-sensing wipers
3. Power passenger seat
4. Dual zone auto climate control
5. Liftback design w/ more cargo space
6. Full 10.2” digital instrument cluster
7. Leather door trim
8. Rear USB outlets
9. Fog lights
10. Heated seats
11. Qi Wireless phone charging mat
12. Alexa built-in
13. Sunglasses holder
14. Different tuning (according to Acura)
Underrated comment. Thanks for the details.
Awesome info, thank you
Appreciate the breakdown.
Also, you don't even get an engine temp gauge on the Si.
thank you!!
This is exactly the review I was waiting for. Everyone dismisses the Integra as a fancied up Civic Si (which isn't unwarranted), but it's nice to see a deeper look into the differences and similarities, from someone who has actually lived with an Si for a few months.
Because it is... the 3xact same shit
@@whoville90 Yup well thats how the original intergra always was. Just a rebadged civic
If it was priced lower I'm sure there'd be less complaints
@Jules 😆, "decency", if you don't like it don't buy it, Honda is not morally obligated to you.
@@777_callum It also came in a two door coupe which will not be offered from Acura Which was what everybody was expecting. The majority don’t like it and that’s a fact. It looks like 4 door egg. 💩 taste if you like this thing.
Picked up an Integra 6-speed last week and thoroughly enjoying it! Great balance of engagement/fun, tech/features, livable suspension, and quality feel.
(Also, do not pay above MSRP. You can find plenty of dealers not marking this car up, if you’re willing to drive a couple hours out of your way)
My dealer nearby is thankfully not marking it up. I just wish I could afford it 🥲
@Sly Rax Absolutely 👍🏻 There are a lot of good options to consider within $30-40k new cars right now, and they all have their own trade-offs and compromises once you spec them out similarly. In its segment, the Integra was most appealing overall package to me
@Sly Rax thanks 👍🏻 And actually I’d say Tedward’s new video posted today about daily driving the Integra is an accurate/realistic reference point for what it’s like to commute with this car. I’d recommend watching that if you’re considering switching out from your ‘21 Insight
Going to be leasing one soon
@@vette6600 I couldn’t find a car at the price range at all that’s reliable.
The Civic with $8k cash in the trunk is much more appealing.
Yes, but a hatchback is more useful.
@@GarthGoldberg for 8 grand more?
You can do great things to a Si with 8k cash
More common to see them with markups, some as much as 10k :(
@@GarthGoldberg Yeah, but these hatchback proportions are not good. The car looks better as a sedan.
Great video!! Concise and lots of good info! There aren’t a lot of good videos comparing the two.
Pretty hilarious that the civic didn’t carry over the red designing in the back 😂🤦♂️
It goes from si to ex 😂
I've been binging your reviews since I found your channel. One thing I appreciate that you do whereas a lot of other big car review channels don't is you speak about real life prices. Very few people are paying MSRP for these cars in 2022. So markups matter and that can make or break a sale.
As right now my car is at car service, some crazy truck driver hit me while changing lanes in a high traffic, with minor dmg to be fixed and I am really missing driving, these videos really help man :D Keep up the good work
Yes! I was waiting for this video, an excellent comparison between two great cars!
THANK YOU MR TEDWARD! I WANTED THIS VIDEO FOR WEEKS, I APPRECIATE YOU
Great comparison! For those who may not know they share the same chassis as well. Honestly, for me, the ILX now became the Integra that still carrying that K powa! But missing the 6 speed 😕
Thank you for this!
The Integra is more in line with the Civic Touring I think, and if you look at the market prices for those, they're relatively the same price as what dealers are asking for the Integra. I don't think it's fair to say it's so much more expensive than the Civic, when the Civics are so marked up it's not even worth it to get one.
I agree, I got a touring sport hatch in November and I find the Integra to be more in line feature wise with mine than the SI.
@@oookay_den did you pay close to Integra prices ?
@@Marc21j mine was just under $37k out the door
Can you readily buy an a spec integra at list?
@@stms4411 are you saying MSRP for an Integra ? I did and it's one of the reasons I went with the Integra. SI's and i guess civic tourings are going around the same price. It's not a 10k difference as most reviewers are stating.
Excellent review! Thanks for making my decision easier.
Thank you so much for this review, it's exactly what I was looking for! I had a 22 Si that I loved, but I got crashed into and it got totaled, and I've been toying with the idea of replacing it with the Acura. Mainly for the active suspension, but there are just so many little niceties, I think you've sold me on the Integra. Funny, now that I think about it, it was your videos that sold me on the Si also... Thanks!
great video dude. love your commentary
3 people I watch Tedward, The Topher, Raiti Rides because they talk in detail and something you can follow.
Great review! I’d love to see you compare the Type R/S vs GR Corolla when those are both available.
its a tough comparison honestly because one is FWD and the other is AWD, id see the GR corolla better compared to like, the golf R or focus RS, while the civic type R is more comparable to (granted we dont have it here in the US) the Renault Megane R.S. would be good to see both the GR corolla and civic type R in the same video though with their aggressive styling
@@bossplayerunit4563 It’s a great comparison. All are hot hatches (FL5 debatably to be honest), similarly priced, and the previous generation Type R met and often exceeded the Golf R and RS on the track.
I’ve been waiting for this 🙏🏼
So glad you did this video because I was just given an Acura Integra without even driving it
Love your reviews - lots of information, delivered clearly and with humour and enthusiasm. I was particularly interested in this one because I have a Canadian spec Si, and wanted to see how it holds up against the Integra. While I am tempted by the nicer and apparently quieter Acura interior and the adjustable suspension, I'll stick with our Si. Those advantages and the heads up display are nice, but they aren't enough to justify the Integra's higher price, given that our Si has virtually all of the other features you mention as potentially justifying the cost difference vis a vis the US model (e.g.fog lights, parking sensors, turn signals in the mirrors, fully digital instrument display, shift lights, rain sensing wipers, auto-dimming lights, auto-dimming mirror, remote garage door opener and remote home security buttons on the mirror, sunglasses holder, dual zone climate control, heated front AND rear seats, heated steering wheel, navigation system, wireless connectivity and charging for cell phones in the front, two USB jacks for those in the back seats, and a spare tire with jack).
If I want leather seats I can always get Katzkins.
Yup, I have the 2023 Canadian si and going to Acura doesn't justify the price increase. In the US, I'd say the Acura is probably worth it to some degree
@@davebart41 Agreed.
Man that rev hang is massive. I'm driving a 370Z and have an ND2 miata on order, for reference.
Tedward, you mentioned the base Camry from the 90's. That 1990-94 generation Camry was a beige creation that was at every mall and community college. A decent number of those old Camrys are still going. Granted that 30 year old cars will have wear and tear that is combated by regular maintenance. But mechanically speaking, the beige base 1992 Camry will never die. Toyota made them "too well."
I drive a 1999 Toyota corolla VE also known as "Value Edition" . it has a 1.8L 4cyl mated to a 5 speed manual transmission. yes a 90s corolla with a manual trans. 0-60 in 6 seconds with 310,000 miles on the odometer. yes that's right 310k miles and still runs like a top. yes as mr. tedward mentioned, I do have to use a key to lock and unlock the doors. I do have to reach across to unlock and lock other doors, as well as roll up and down crank windows. The only way to open the trunk is with a key, no latch on the inside to open it. the wipers have 3 speeds low med and high, the list goes on. That thing has been my daily for 5 years now and has given me no issues over the 130k miles I've put on it so far. bought it 2nd hand from an older gentleman who bought it new for 9k in July of 1999. he handed me a folder of all the maintenance that was ever done to the car. it was all fluid changes with the exception of all 4 new wheel bearings not long before I bought it. I bought the car for 700 bucks because the clutch was starting to fade. got home after a 3 hour drive and swapped a new clutch kit in, a new rear main seal while I'm there and she was ready to be back on the road 3 days later. I keep adding to that vanilla folder as the previous owner did. however I do my own work so its just notebook paper with logs of what I've done.(all fluid changes, air filters, tires and a clutch job.)
Loved this video even though neither are available in my country😁👌
this is completely off-topic but positioning the cars so that they're facing each other and the pointing the camera at the one you're talking about somehow cracks me up.
I'm still thinking about going up to Ontario, buying an Si, and bringing it back to the US. After all the money spent, I might still be spending a few thousand less than I would for an Integra here.
Need a comparison with the GTI next, specifically the S trim which compares very well equipment wise with the Si
Great video Tedward! As an Acura Integra A Spec w/ Tech package 6MT owner it is such a great vehicle! The ELS 3D Studio Sound System is out of this world and the adaptive dampers is a great feature. Half of the time I ride in comfort mode lol. But I tried to get the Si for a while now and the markups here in Colorado are crazy so I settled and got the Integra and taught myself how to drive stick in it too! Again, great comparison video!
Exactly!!! Everyone ignores the sometimes insane markups Honda dealers are doing. I know a guy who paid $12k markup for an SI. My Integra is at MSRP therefore cheaper, but with all the lux.
@@czluver4338 yeah I paid right at MSRP for mine as well!
@@czluver4338 Why is the Integra not marked up vs the Civic?
@@EpiCxWoundsx good question, my best guess is the si badge
Got mine for sticker in Ohio, great dealership.
You and your civic si helped me decide which car to get. Got 15k miles on our Si now.
Loved the review. Thanks for the comparison. I like more the hood of the Civic, but other than that, I like more the Integra.
I think, in the same way they held back on the features with the SI from last generation to this, they held back on the features with the Integra for the mid-cycle refresh.
It's kind of weird how most of the stuff that's "better" about the Integra is already in the Canadian Civic SI
It because of the chip and part shortage since they don't make many Si's for Canada. The US got nothing but extra cost for a nothing Si.
Definitely love my 2022 cdn Si. I sell Acura’s and have driven the Integra numerous times. I like the A-Spec Elite Platinum in Canada. The sound system is much better than the Bose system and the ride can be made smoother. I’m fine with the Si ride and I like the seats better. I also feel the Si handles better. It’s really a great machine.
Do you agree the steering weight is heavier in the Integra’s normal mode? Sport mode??
More annoying than anything else.
100%
What a great video, thanks.
The little bits that make all the difference for me are hatch(!), sunglasses holder, heated suede/leather, lumbar adjust, memory seat, ELS, adjustable dampers, individual mode.
The misses I think are no rear vents, no cooled seats, could be quieter.
Sommelier Tedward :)
Nice comparison. The side view mirrors angling down when in reverse depends on how the switch for them is positioned. Left, Right or center for off.
Yes! Our new odyssey did this for a year before I figured out it depended on the darn adjusting switch.
The tilt down passenger side mirror in reverse. On my TSX wagons, the L/R mirror switch has to be in the R position or that might side mirror doesn't tilt down. You've probably already tried it on your Is but just in case.... GREAT VIDEO!
Great review! I think the "not a fast car" depends on what you are coming from. You regularly drive 3-400 HP cars so your perspective MAY differ from someone looking to upgrade from a 5 speed Manual 2009 Civic with 230K miles and 140 HP. I've driven it for 13 years. I'm looking for manual Trans, improved performance. I was considering the Si but being late in middle age might appreciate the adaptive dampers. :-) I'm considering the BMW 228 as a stretch purchase. I want LTD or AWD. I bought the 86 Integra liftback new- with its amazing 113 HP! The 90 I bought had 130 but was NOT as fun to drive. Looks like this IS fun to drive and more comfortable for long drives! Not enough power? Got me looking at VW alternatives-but they are rated much lower in reliability. So back to the Integra-OR a 2020 Si? BTW: I saw the Topher's night drive video in his new Type R. NIIIICE. I'd love to drive one-but I don't ever expect to push such a beast to its limits!
I AM hung up on 6 second Zero to 60 though. I guess there's tuning, putting in a beefier clutch etc.
I love the color on Tedward's SI. Also, do you guys know if Boost Blue will come to the SI? I love that color too
This was awesome. I am not interested in either car here, but I like hearing and watching your reviews regardless. It makes me curious on your thoughts of the Golf R versus Audi S3 - very similar situation with those two cars as the Honda and Acura!
Without even driving them, I can tell you that the S3 is a much better choice for a daily if you can spare the cash, purely because of how much of a disaster the Golf's UI is. But, since the R can be had with a manual, it's probably the better choice for an enthusiast occasion car since you won't have to deal with the UI every day.
@@tyler9703 This is true. As a former Mk7 GTI owner, one of my favorite aspects of that car was how nicely laid-out the interior was. Seems VW went the opposite direction this time.
@@tyler9703 oh the mk8's UI is absolutely atrocious, I really liked the new golf until I saw the capacitive buttons and the infotainment UX disaster
@@tyler9703 every person I’ve talked to that actually owns that car says it’s not that big of a deal. Also people online who actually own it say it’s not going to kill the experience. Seems like one of those reviewers overplayed
@@tyler9703 so you buy your car based on the buttons in the car? LOL
That flat top shift knob in the integra has been around since at least 2006, probably longer.
The Canadian version of the Si is still the clear winner in basically every way. Wish we could get that version in the US even if it cost a little bit more.
What I got from this review is that if Acura offered a base 6-speed version of the Integra with no options it would be the Si and since Honda already has that covered there’s no need for the redundancy and cost of an entry level option that already exist.
Great review the integra looks more upscale and exotic that civic.
I'm 1 week in owning an integra a-spec.
I love it.
Great video as you always do! I am in search of a daily car, 4-door, manual, with better interior (NVH) and softer suspension (i.e., adaptive damper) compare to my '21 WRX. Doesn't have to be AWD, and that comes to '23 Acura Integra or MK8 GTI-autobahn around 38 - 40k price range. Could you please comment on the NVH and suspension stiff/soft difference between the Integra and the GTI? Or even make a video to compare these two. I think they are, as hot hatches, pretty comparable in terms of daily driving.
Used 2/3 series or civic SI are your only options it sounds like. I just went through the same purchasing decision, wanted a gr86 but my family is growing. Ended up with a 22 SI. When I tell you I love this car, it really is a car to fall in love it, so much soul and perfect amount of creature comforts. Look into it dude
seeing them side by side really shows me how much more I like the Si design
Dear lord that rev hang. Every fast shift upsets the Balance of the Car and shakes you around like a Gen 1 Smart Automatic.
40K car and it doesn't even have rear AC vents in a 4 DOOR sedan.
My Coupe with pretty much useless back seats has 4 AC vents and an independent climate zone in the rear.
That would be a deal breaker for people with big dogs like myself.
They had to remove it as ut was in the prototype because of part issues. I expect when the refresh comes in few years you will see them come back.
The sticker price for the Integra is what my dealership sold our 90 mile certified Orange SI
Holy crap seriously 😳
Excellent review! I’ve owned both an ILX and now a 10th Gen Si sedan. I’m honestly disappointed in Honda. They stopped production on the Si for a full year, and stopped updating the ILX years ago. The new cars don’t improve the formula significantly. In fact, some aspects are worse than on my Si (ie, HP, fuel economy, heated seat deleted, etc).
I would consider the Integra, but not until it has built a bigger gap to the Si (Type-S anyone?!?). Not in a hurry as my 🚙 Si is still so much fun to drive!
Hey @Tedward! I loved your videos on your si, I was wondering what you thought about the NLine! I drive a 23 myself, I know only auto, but I feel its a "clone".
Honey wake up, a new Tedward was posted
I agree. It does, bring to the table, the joy of driving. I think About driving it all the time.
It lets you play with that rear end a little bit too, which I find just charming....
Would be interesting to see Civic Touring vs Integra A-spec Technology with CVT. Bought a ‘22 Civic Touring recently for just under 30K and other than the adaptive dampers and HUD, the features are basically the same for 7 grand less. The only negative is the Civic is atrociously loud with the stock Goodyear tires.
It's loud no matter what tires you put on it as the insulation is awful on the Civics unlike the Integra. But wow what a great deal what dumb ass dealer sold you one for under 30k I assume it's just a boring CVT. They keep selling for 35k easy because they are rare.
I have a majestic black with red interior as spec tech pack. I drive the car a lot I had it for a year and eight months and now has 30,000 miles I don’t know about the SI but my exhaust pops and gurgles. Love this car ❤
Proud to actually have the coolest looking Integra, it's a 10th Generation Si coupe.
What's really frustrating is the amount of cost cutting. The obvious with the Si being that we don't get a loaded version the way they do in Canada and it's weird how the rear seats aren't red when they are in a 9th gen Si.
And the Integra should definitely have rear heated seats and should have ventilated seats. Plus no rear vents for a $37k car.
They both seem like really nice cars, but there's no reason to skimp out the way they did.
Exactly. It's ridiculous and a shame because the car looks and drives so nice.
No rear AC vents is a deal breaker for me unfortunately.
@@andynickles7505 Exactly! They put the rear vents on the Accord, which in general has a better interior than the new Integra. Backwards thinking here
@tedward Literally called me out! Currently driving an infiniti g37 and tired of the atrocious gas mileage (and heavy car). Have a deposit on an integra, just waiting for Acura to notify me when it will be built.
i feel like that the tropher auto top nl and of course tedwerd rb te the best pov reviewers
The Topher 😃
Tedward, what would you recommend for a new car that makes a nice daily that you don't tired of after a little while, and will last a long time?
I have had a 2007 SI coupe that I loved, a 2019 SI coupe I pretty much hated, and a 2021 Mazda CX 5 Signature that is just meh after a year and a half.
Most of the tech in the CX I don't use, and I wish the stereo was better.
Right now, I'm thinking of trading that CX 5 in on a WRX or BRZ.
Anyway, what is fun to drive all the time, and has a good stereo?
So just like the Si we get features in Canada that it looks like are not available in the states. We get rear heated seats on the manual top trim integra as well as heated steering wheel(unless the button just wasnt visible in this video)
If you watch a review on the Canadian Si, it is annoying what got left off the US model. I'd be curious to know if that was an intentional marketing ploy to further separate the Si from the Integra, or due to the chip shortage. (Would be interesting to see if there is a Canadian version of the Integra, and if/how it differs.) Good review. Looks like a lot of extras packed onto the Integra, but not sure it is $ 8k worth. It is the usual marketing thing - make you buy the higher end to get a few features you want, plus a whole lot of other stuff that really wasn't that important to you. I faced that decision to a lesser degree when I bought my /17 BRZ - Limited vs Premium. I was able to option the dimming mirrors and home link (garage door opener in my rearview mirror), and you can do that on either. However the Performance Pack that year was only available on the Limited. I happened to find one with Performance Pack (a bargain - wider wheels, Brembo brakes, Sachs dampers for $ 1200). Probably the biggest difference for daily use is Limited has push button start and the entry system where you can leave the key in your pocket. With the current car shortage and dealer mark-ups, I'm happy to not be in the market right now, but enjoy following current offerings. I wonder how hard it would be for folks to buy a Si in Canada? It's only a half day drive from where I live, and I see Tedward is in New England.
Definitely not the chip shortage as the loaded and more heavily produced Civic Touring lost zero features and came with only a very modest price increase. Si lost a lot of features and gained a 2000+ price increase. Hard to understand.
I gotta go with the SI, I love the integra but I just don't need the luxurious stuff. All I care about is driving experience and a few small things like CarPlay.
Tedward Can you do a POV on a 2022 lucid air
Thanks for the review. Thoughts about this vs a CPO 19/20 BMW 330i Msport. You lose the manual, which is brutal, but get back to RWD and more power.
Just bought my 2024 si in pearl white!!!
The new Integra would look so good as a coupe…
Hows the rev hang on each car? I had a WRX and first to second was brutal.
09:25 I know some cars do that with the side mirror if the switch which you choose a mirror to adjust is toggled on the side of the mirror. For example: if the toggle of that switch is on the right, the right mirror will go down a bit when going into reverse. Same can happen on the other side. I don't know if thats how they did it in Honda and Acura but it works like that in a lot of other brands.
Have tried. Does not work
Does the integra come stock with integrated rear granola bar?
civic si>>>, dampers, leather and audio don't justify almost 10k
Your comparing it to the Canadian Si which they only made about 1k of its really about the refinement as the Integra is much quieter to drive. The Si and touring are loud.
Manual transmission in newer cars are so satisfying
EXCEPT that w dealers price gouging people now the SI costs as much as the Acura
These cars are massive
But pretty remarkable how light they are despite that. This 4 door Integra is only 200 lbs heavier than a 2001 Integra GSR 2 door coupe. And despite being the size of a 3 series, it is 1000 lbs lighter than a 340 or G70! That is phenomenal and this will be a fun car in the corners.
Not that I really need something that's super fast but my audi 2.0t gives me a decent amount of torque and is quick enough to have fun it's a bummer that they couldn't squeeze just 20 more hp and at least 240 lb-ft.. 192 lb-ft is just so little. And I'm still tempted to look for one. Is it worth tuning maybe?
My experience with past Acuras is that what you think is leather, isn't always leather, its often times pleather.
The Integra comes with a granola bar,why is this even a debate?
Tedward, you mentioned that the Integra NVH was noticeably lower than the Si's. Can you please comment on the difference between the Hatchback Sport Touring vs. the Si? I'm considering one of the three vehicles and am wondering if the Integra price premium is worth it.
I think the sport touring gave me the same level of Nvh as the si. I remember saying that when I drove it in Washington. Acura definitely quiets it down
@@TedwardDrives what a quick reply, you're the man!
I plan to get and import a Canadian model civic si which has most of the things that had the integra above the si in this video
Nothing wrong with a fancier Civic Si, people! The MSRP gap is really wide, but in reality, a non-marked up Si is hard to come by, and if you can get an Integra for MSRP, the extras might feel like more of a good deal when you're talking a $3-4K gap (as opposed to, say, $9K). Of course, your mileage may vary -- maybe you're one of the lucky ones who has a line on an Si without a dealer markup. ;)
For better or for worse, if a Canadian-spec Si were available to us, we might be having a much different conversation -- heated seats, wireless charging, shift lights, full digital display would all be available, and suddenly, an Integra doesn't seem to offer a ton more (at least on paper). Sadly though, that's not the case for U.S. buyers. Ultimately, I think you gotta figure out what is or isn't important to you, and what you can get a reasonable deal on, and go from there. Both seem like pretty fantastic cars to me.
It's just like the current generation WRX: not much wrong with it, but nothing particularly spectacular to my eyes either (but hey, at least the WRX has AWD). When you consider that this price segment is already highly competitive and there are plenty of other options out there that have better offerings (in my opinion), it's a legitimate concern to have for the future of this lineup in terms of sales. Add to the fact that Honda/Acura is pretty much self-cannibalizing either way when the Si already exists. I wouldn't deter anyone from getting this car though if they can get one and want one; it doesn't seem like a bad car overall.
Tedward. Can you do a POV on a 2022 Bentley Continental gtc v8 pov
They really dumbed down the new Si compared to the last just to force people into the integra. The 10th gen Si is still the best value imo.
11th Gen... Wish it had adaptive dampers. But the fact they added better torque, immaculate interior exterior styling, better shifter, hard to walk away from that car for 30k
Not really because if that was the case there would be no integra in Canada.
Great review.
As someone who owns a civic hatch sport touring I’d say that is the car to compare to the technology integra if I’m completely honest. The tech in both cars is very similar, integra has an advantage with the dampers, a usb c (which no one mentions), hud, and more seat adjustments.
The interior in my opinion is nicer in the Honda, I feel like the vents in the Acura were a shortcut to make it different from the Honda, just doesn’t look right to me how it’s broken up. Also the leather seats on the Honda don’t hold as much heat on hot days as the leather/micro suede combo which is notorious for being hot, and personally I think the Honda seats look better overall.
The question you have to ask yourself, is the integra a spec technology worth the extra money compared to the civic ST? I may be biased but I don’t think those extras justify the price. I paid 34k for my civic after taxes with a few minor accessories added (all season mats, cargo tray, cargo net, seat back protector, and protection film). I’d imagine the top of the line integra is close to if not 40k.
Another factor is gas. Everyone has different needs but better mpgs on the civic and regular gasoline vs premium for the integra. With gas prices now, who would want to jump into a premium fuel car right now? I sold my WRX because personally, it was too much.
It really boils down to what you value, the Honda is an excellent value for the money, the integra is a head turner beauty of a car, the Honda is a little more reserved but still nice looking compared to competitors in the segment. Based on looks alone I’d place it third in the affordable hatch category behind the Mazda 3 hatch and integra. But again it’s all personal preference. Can’t go wrong with either car honestly and if you can afford the top of the line integra go for it, it’s just not the better value in my opinion.
Hey just want to chime in and let you know the integra actually doesn’t require premium. Also the LSD for me is why I went with the integra over a sport touring. Both great cars
How has the Civic HB ST been treating you? I have a deposit down for a 2023 manual due at the end of February (currently leasing a 2020 Civic Sport HB manual). I'm pretty much set on the Civic but couldn't help peeking over at the Integra A-SPEC and just saw a used 2023 one in my area for a used one with under 100 miles with a price comparable to a new Civic - perhaps I shouldn't compared new to used though....
In any case, wondering how you experience has been with the Civic. One thing I see people talking about as a difference is the better noise dampening of the Integra, which is to be expected. How is the sound dampening in your Civic? I feel I don't mind my current Civic's road noise too much and probably will just tune out the new one's road noise as well, but still wondering how the new one performs.
Also, how has the overall fit and finish been with the Civic - any issues?
@@ThunderShoe I’ve loved every minute of it so far. With now 7k on the odometer I haven’t had any problems with the car. It has enough power and great mpgs, I’ve been averaging 34 city 38-40 hwy. There’s never been a situation where I said to myself “I wish this thing had more pickup” and I drive in congested areas of southern NY where traffic and merging can be a nightmare. My routine service has been a breeze at the dealership too, something I can’t say about the Subaru dealership I used to go to.
As far as road noise is concerned, I came from a 2012 WRX, so the civic is a huge improvement. From what I’ve read in articles and on forums, it seems the new civic is a little quieter than last gens, but I cannot confirm. What could help is new tires in the future. The continentals that come with the car aren’t the smoothest riding tires, so once you get your mileage out of them I would do some research for quieter tires on tire rack or something.
As far as fit and finish, I haven’t had any major issues. Most of them are nitpicks if anything. The most concerning of them was the drivers door wasn’t flush by like half a centimeter with the rear drivers. I fixed it by adjusting the door catch (two phillips head screws) and now it’s perfect. There are a few moldings on the bottom of the windows that don’t line up perfectly, and some uneven hood gap along the front bumper, and panel gap along the sides of the hood, but again, it’s more nitpicks than anything. The hood gap I was able to fix by adjusting (turning) the the rubber stoppers along the engine bay. There have been no issues inside the car, a few creaks and squeaks near the infotainment display, but they have stopped with what I assume to be a break-in period, everything seems to have settled and expanded where I don’t hear anything anymore.
All in all the car has been amazing. Don’t let my nitpicks deter you from your purchase. I’m anal and go looking for issues, I’m sure 98% of people wouldn’t even notice those things. There are times I wish I would have gotten a manual, but with a new baby and my wife with no experience driving standard in the event she has to drive, I went with the cvt. Still great, but the manual will probably be an even better experience for you.
If you’re still undecided, this video pretty much sealed the deal for me!
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Hope this helps you 🤙🏼
@@fdurdenc I super appreciate your insights and the experiences you've shared - I'll stick with the Civic! I drive in eastern MA and the traffic patterns I typically encounter seem similar to those you experience. I also have a similar situation with a baby on the way and a wife with no manual transmission driving experience. Actually, she has no driving experience, but we are planning for her to learn beggining in the next year or so. She's willing to take a shot at learning to drive stick, but whether or not that works out, we'll probably look to add a second car that's an auto/CVT. I'm thinking of the new Civic as potentially the last manual I'll have for a long long time. Makes me sad that they're becoming so rare, especially in the more affordable segment of the car market.
One more somewhat subjective question: Do you happen to have a spoiler/wing and/or window visors on your Civic? If so, what's your experience with them been like? Re: the spoiler, I like the look of the HPD version but not sure my wife would appreciate going that aggressive, so I'm considering an aftermarket one that's more subtle. As for the visors, I like the look but am also wondering whether they are worth the investment.
Thanks again for all of your input!
@@ThunderShoe No problem and congratulations on the newest addition to your family!
I didn’t opt for the HPD package, personally I didn’t like the style or placement of the wing, the molded in lip on the hatch lid is sporty enough imo. Also, the front lip is just two gloss black covers that go over the bottom corners of the bumper, it’s not a true lip. These covers also cover the paint under the fog light housing which makes the bumper look sloppy to me.
I don’t have window visors either, the only thing I did to the car in that respect is a chrome delete overlay on the chrome trim above the windows. I hate chrome and prefer the matte black over the windows that is on the sport trim of the civic. You can search for “Avery Dennison 2022 civic hatchback chrome delete”
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That's why traditional stick shift knobs were made of wood. Metal ones get uncomfortably hot in Summer and uncomfortably cold in Winter.
I own a 2022 si (canadain spec) in red, its a 1:1 match, minus dampers and audio system, interga lacks rear heated seats, canadain version has them, canadain version also gets that display, auto wipers, auto highbeam, parking sensors, lane assist, dynamic cruise control etc
Are you Canadian? I'm wondering about importing-looks difficult to import to US. Of course California has extra hurdles to jump
I wanted an SI over here in the US, but doesn't have the features available on the Canadian version, which is the reason I'm considering the Integra and Golf GTI. What i need to figure out is if my pockets could handle it...
As a first generation American that still goes back to Europe quite often and follow Rally and F1, really wish they made a hatchback Honda Civic Si.
From MA too…1 BIG QUESTION… driver seat position height! Do you sit lower in the Acura? I test drove an si and found it sat a little higher than I’d like. I heard the Acura may sit lower while driving.
Tedward.... you need to buy a acura integra in this trim bruh!
Between the Integra and the Si, I'd choose the GT3 Touring. Just kidding! Great comparison review.
3:50 Oh, but the Acura Integra DOES have Heated Rear Seats...in Canada.
I was wondering if they have the same stick shift as the regular Civic to see if the model is the same
At least in my father's acura RLX, the mirror tilting down in reverse is determined by what position the mirror adjustment selection switch is in, not sure if they put that in the newer honda models though
Just the Acuras it seems. BMW did the same thing with the selector. when to the right it wouldn't tilt.
What would be your first and second choice of exterior/interior colors ?
Integra is more on par with 2020 Civic Si which has adaptive dampers, LSD, heated seats. New Gen SI took a step back from previous generations, yet cost more money and have less power. Shame, I will be keeping my 2020 SI, no 23 for me.
The passenger mirror goes down because it is selected on the driver door. If you put the switch in the middle it won't go down. At least, that's how it worked on my 2019 Ridgeline. Not sure if that will work on the Si, though.
nah tried moving the switch. no change
@@TedwardDrives worth a try. They are both great cars. Great review!
Is the revv hang just from the weight of the flywheel?
No you can easily do a hondata tune add 30lbs of torque and fix 80% of that Rev hang as its mostly programming the computer. Most stock turbos have Rev hang.
I love those Kind breakfast bars. Eat them all the time:)
any chance are you going to review a BRZ or GR86?