Border line: a journey through the Irish heart of the Brexit crisis
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- čas přidán 18. 06. 2024
- In the weeks leading up to the general election triggered by the Brexit crisis, Phoebe Greenwood and Ekaterina Ochagavia have driven the length of the border that has proved one of the most contentious issues in the Brexit debate. We hear from the people living along it, and what they think is at stake in the election
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"you cant eat a flag" - class act
Rhys Gethin pragmatism will save the day. I pray.
*fleg
@@niallmartin9063 I wish I had your optimism, I really genuinely do.
@@LeMerch Your gonna have to I'm afraid
I suspect the first chap in this video would have a better idea of how to sort out this mess than anyone on any side of Parliament.
Ian Paisley. Smart, but the Rush Limbaugh of his time. He horrified me - I lived in the South
yes my comment is a bit offtrack but i literally cried seeing the beauty of ireland i wanna live there
Demography and economics would have made Irish unification an issue within 10-20 years. BloJo's dumping of the DUP, and his rush to secure his Brixit deal, will make it an issue in a much shorter time.
Northern Ireland(NI), when founded, had nearly all the industry on the island of Ireland, was far better off than the Irish Free State, while Belfast had twice the population of Dublin.
Now, the Republic of Ireland has TEN times the industrial output of NI, offers its citizens and residents a standard of living about 100% higher than that of NI, and Dublin has at least twice the population of Belfast...
Economically speaking, partition has been a disaster for NI...
Great shots at the end
get on with it, people says
face the problem within later, people says
I still find it annoying that after all these years a documentary gets away with describing the six counties of Northern Ireland as “ulster” when that name belongs to nine counties
That's like saying 'I find it annoying when they call the EU 'Europe' because that includes the UK and Parts of Russia, Turkey etc as well'
@@eyeballseesaws Who refers to the EU as Europe? Ulster is misapplied to NI.
@@ONeill01 You hear it all the time: 'The border between the UK and Europe" etc, it doesn't bother me because you know what they mean, just like when they call NI Ulster. Exact same as when they call Great Britain the UK
@@eyeballseesaws but Ulster refers to 9 counties, fine by you but does not mean everyone follows your perspective. Not anaglous, GB is UK but GB does not reference NI, same way that Ulster is not NI, but NI is in Ulster
@@ONeill01 UK is used to describe the 3 nations or 4, Ulster is used to describe 6 counties or 9
As usual, an excellent explainer
thank you
ye can't eat a flag!
_fleg!_
This is three years old. Give us an update !
In the 1980's you needed a prescription from the doctor to buy condoms in Ireland.
Does the accent change when you cross theborder?
How far is that?
@@cbalducc No, if you drive from Teemore to Belturbet (4mins) or Belcoo to Blacklion (30secs), people sound EXACTLY the same.
I never say border, I say Partition.
33 seconds in and the first mistake. Ulster did not remain British. Ulster was divided up.
The Irish Border, when it was created, was actually based around county boundaries as well as the Unionist population at the time, which is why it has its odd shape even now then. That's why in a way it looks so odd really of course.
name of music in the first minute
Three decades ? Almost four.
"done over by the rest of the uk" by that a think she means England and Wales as Scotland voted 62% to remain
Not even Wales. Welsh people voted to remain (read the KCL study), the English who live in Wales voted to leave.
@@Evan490BC From a non-Brit's perspective, is there a possibility that Scotland and Northern Ireland go free, leaving just England and Wales in the Union?
@@sukritmishra7194 Very hard to say. It will all depend on the consequences of Brexit, which are to be seen.
Damage done, brexit or not
I hope that Northern Ireland shows even more Patience with this process. Violence and uncertainty has to be a thing of the past for the poor people of Northern Ireland. Freedom, Democracy, and Unity for all of Ireland would be a beautiful thing for the world to witness.
Now the DUP has no power Boris will drop N Ireland like a hot potato.
This lsland. Ireland.900 years of a British problem
Fantastic . Showing how ridiculous this English border or the English government in Ireland is .
3:08 | And where does the force always comes from ?
The Metaclorians. 😆
This must be the 6 th or 7th identrical report by the guardian just with a different reporter.
Northern Ireland voted 56% to *_remain_* in the EU.
GET BREXIT DONE!
Britain *_must_* get out of Northern Ireland!
It's the only solution!
Nah too boring . 😆
Ireland needs to be united
Why whats the benefits?
@@williammcconville4967 the benefits are that a United Ireland can be a economical power house as it's in 2000 started proforming well as so with England out of the eu the big companies will set up trading Post there as a access to the markets. Toyota could move completely there. But even mini Cooper and Land Rover will set up base there. Also Ireland tax rates are lower.
@@kerankerai7872 everything is much more expensive and health care is expensive thinking those companies will do because a united Ireland is speculation if they were to come to Ireland they would do United or not on top of this what happens when the bombs start again?
It was a problem confined to just northern Ireland now do you think it would be a bigger problem or a smaller one across the hole country?
😆😆😆😆😆😆😆
It's important to know that religious identity in Ulster politics is and was an effective signifier of what life you lived in a segregated province.
Religious identity is only a signifier of who had power and representation, and who had not.
Religious identity is what divides and conquers. Let's not forget how Imperialism is still alive in NI with those who nowcall Boris a betrayer, and why in 1920 was there two home rules given to Free state Ireland and the newly made NI (ie, the wealthiest farmers, land owners, landlords and industrialists in the north east of Ulstsr got into political support with the Tories after the 1919 GE).
2019 and Europeans are still talking about borders dividing Europeans. Crazy...
@Mark Gable in Ireland for instance, there is an open border in what I consider a civilised society.
@Mark Gable Bollox. Go to Dublin and say that.
Unionists have no right to partition. Never did. We voted for independence in 1919.
Jag menar diagnosen borderline
Free Scotland, unite Ireland
Do you live in either place?
@@TastySandwich100 I gree I wish they would go and Wales to.
This British thing was made by a bunch of MP prats way back in the day. Im English not British.
The ironic thing here is that those in N Ireland who want to remain with the UK are Scottish, while their distant relatives in Scotland want to leave the UK.
Brexit might be the one thing that leads to reunification
Lolno its leading in the opposite direction lmao.
@@Mageroeth And that's funny is it Blue Jay?
Joe Cramp brexit might be the reason the uk falls
@@mrmyloc its funny he believe this will lead to reunification.
@@Mageroeth That's not true though?
If all the years of peace haven't convinced people of the positives then we cant blame BREXIT....
It's a lot more complicated than you seem to think. Besides, conflict of the type in NI us usually carried out by a small proportion of the population, who will use any excuse or opportunity. The economic collapse that NI will more than likely suffer, will in itself create tension in any society, in one as divided as NI, it will be explosive.
@@memisemyself all true but my comment still stands.
@@secularspectator No, your comment doesn't. Brexit is wholly responsible for this state of affairs.
You seem to forget that the EU is a co-guarantor of the peace people in Northern Ireland enjoy today.
@@mrmyloc
Strange I didn't realise BREXIT was around in the 80's 😂😂😜 now...people like you on the other hand are the ones really to blame👍👌
I would think that if a population was going to vote on policy,then government would ensure that they were fairly and fully informed..I don't recall seeing information kiosks or anything of the like, Just many emotionally invested opinions being shouted out.
Ppl so selfish voting 4 this. Just want to win n dont care about consequences
As the reporter said: he has a republican opinion. They don’t seem to know each other, pity.
That's not english.
Enjoy what the Republic offers you and enjoy paying the doctor every visit
@William McConville
"Enjoy what the Republic offers you..."?
What joining the Republic of Ireland(RoI) would offer would be the opportunity to transform, or turbocharge, the economy of Northern Ireland(NI). The RoI has been, for many years now, the fastest growing economy in the EU. Unification would deliver an economic boost, across the entire island, of at least 28-30 BILLION Euro.
"...and enjoy paying the doctor every visit" he said, while completely ignoring the massive crisis in the NHS in Northern Ireland(NI), and Boris Johnson's apparent intention to introduce NHS charges.
Meanwhile, the RoI is slowly changing to a health service model true to the original NHS idea...
No you don't. Only people who can afford to pay for it do. If you have a medical card you don't.
@@Tereyoc at what earnings don't you pay? So if you just barely make the figure you have to pay yourself you also have to pay for other people seems like someone is definitely getting screwed.
@@williammcconville4967 haven't a clue depends if you have an underlying medical condition it's free etc etc. Somewhere in the 20 thousands. You apply for it and your doctor can say you need.
@@Tereyoc 184 Euro a week for single person under 70 is the cut off point works out less per person for couples so if you make 190 that makes you kinda screwed doesn't it, charged 2 euro per item for prescription up to a total of 20 euro say someone needs 11 items ok 20 euro is used so what you pay full price for the 11th item do you? I know 2 euro isn't much but with prices I'd say someone making 190 needs every cent they have. Now look at the rest of the information about things like rent, car tax, unemployment payments, disability payments and just all the general cost of living expenses. Just for a bit of an example my car tax is about 220 pounds (you work out the exchange think at the min it's 1 to 1:20ish) in the republic it would be 900 euro could be 950 can't remember it's been a while from I checked.
Message from Northumbria.
Right wing stitch up of our freedom of movement, workets right, NHS, sold to Trump.
Holuday insurance costing more than holiday... Robbed, prisoner on prison island England
Haha we're leaving have fun.
long live united ireland
What I find fascinating is the fact that Sothern Ireland considers itself to be a country. Having thrown off the yoke of British Imperialism it has given up it's Soverignty to the European state. In fact there is a reasonable argument that the average Irish citizen would have a greater say in his or her destiny if they were now part of the UK. I wonder what those early heroes in the struggle for independence would think of Irelands position now. Together with Scotland ridding themselves of the hated English to give it all up to Brussels. Go figure?
This talk of Ireland willingly giving up its sovereignty and old Republican heroes turning in their graves is nonsense.
Firstly a country like Ireland can be savvy enough to get what they want from the economic union and still keep its neutrality and tax arrangements (the reason for its first rejection of the Lisbon treaty so often misrepresented by brexiteers). If that changes they may very well choose to leave. As it stands they are clever enough to make use of it and not throw it away based on sentiment or fear of the direction that the EU may take in the future (which they will have a say in from inside it and will be free to leave if it comes to it).
How could the same be said of any union with the UK based on past experience or indeed the current parallel you could draw with the treatment of Scotland and Wales - how much sovereignty as individual nations do you think they have as part of the UK?.
The fact is Ireland has done much better outside of the UK than those inside of it over the past fifty years and you can use any number of metrics to prove this from individual wealth to quality of life to education to health etc etc.
If you were to bet where continued progress is more likely in these areas in the future I'm not sure it would be achieved by pinning your colours to the UK over the EU. It looks increasingly likely that the UK will compete by lowering standards in comparison to the EU, lowering cost, lowering tax intake. Think about what that might do to quality of life, income, health and education - these are the things that Ireland should be concerned with.
@@johnm6529 Sorry I also missed your statement on how Ireland has out performed the UK in every department. Absolute tosh and if it was true why are the vast majority of my Irish family working here in England? Why when I first started in the construction industry ,30 years ago , it was inundated with Irish Labour. Because there was no work in Ireland that's why.
@@1346crecy . It would be better to do a bit of research on it before you cry 'absolute tosh'. Its easy enough to find out.
If your basing all of your statements on Ireland on your Irish relatives having to look to the UK for work back in the 1980's (almost 40 years ago now) you might have the decency to correct or delete your earlier post once you've carried out that research too.
It's not right to invoke dead Irish heroes and Irelands struggle for independence from the UK to justify an Englishmans sentiment toward the EU.
Irelands affairs are not yours. Irelands dead are not for Englands edification in whatever foreign policy change they make with the EU either.
The parallels your drawing do not exist and are grossly insensitive to the realities of the relationship between the UK and Ireland
@@johnm6529 No I will not. You saying something doesn't make it true. My family have moved here quite recently and I still have significant family in Ireland to this day who I regularly visit. I am fully in touch with events in Ireland. I stand by everything I've said. Ireland is far more joined to the Uk in trade, heritage and culture than any other part of Europe. You say that I'm insensitive to Irish feelings well how much say do you think you're going to have in the upcoming trade talks between the EU and the UK. About the same as in the leave agreement I would say. Where the deal was finally done between Johnson and Merkel.Ireland is now part of the federal European State. I simply asked would the early heroes of the revolution be happy with that outcome.
'What I find fascinating is the fact that Sothern Ireland considers itself to be a country.'
What I find fascinating is the fact that you think there is a country called Southern Ireland. There is a country called Ireland, which is a Republic, and it fits the description of 'a country' better than the peculiar constitutional arrangement that is the UK, as you will see
'Having thrown off the yoke of British Imperialism it has given up it's Soverignty to the European state.'
Ireland has not 'given up its sovereignty to the EU state'. In the context of the recent 1916 centenary commemorations, it is wryly amusing that the British seem to think that they alone value the importance of sovereignty. For us in Ireland our hard-won freedom and sovereignty are things to be shared judiciously and to be deployed intelligently rather than jealously horded away in a tower. It means, for example, that we are NOT forced out of the EU because of the insecurities of the English.
'In fact there is a reasonable argument that the average Irish citizen would have a greater say in his or her destiny if they were now part of the UK.'
What a prize gobshite you are. There is precisely no argument that Irish people would have a greater say in his or her destiny if they were now part of the UK - you only have to look at Scotland and NI to see that. Both are leaving because of 15.1 million insecure English people. We Irish look across the Irish Sea at a partial democracy with theocratic leanings: an unelected Head of State who is the Head of the Church of England, an archaic undemocratic First Past the Post electoral system, an unelected House of Lords with seats for Bishops (!) in it, no regional assembly for the English, no written Constitution that anybody ever voted on and where Parliament and not the People are sovereign. You have a public school system that produces your political class and maintains the existing feudal system. This is the UK the Irish left a century ago...
'I wonder what those early heroes in the struggle for independence would think of Irelands position now.'
Let me enlighten you. It was a rebel of 1916 who signed Ireland accession documents in 1962. That man was Seán Lemass, who fought in the 1916 Rising, took the anti-Treaty side in the Civil War, built the Fianna Fáil Party and could never be thought of as anything other than an Irish nationalist. He was speaking in Brussels in January 1962 on Ireland’s hopes of joining what was then the European Economic Community when he said this:
“Ireland belongs to Europe by history, tradition and sentiment no less than by geography. Our destiny is bound up with that of Europe . . . Our people have always tended to look to Europe for inspiration, guidance and encouragement”.
He stressed that he fully understood that Ireland was seeking to be part of a project that was about much more than economics and that he spoke “in full awareness” of the EEC’s underlying aim of “ever-closer union”.
Apparently, the Irish were aware of this but the British claim they were unaware of it, even though they tried to join the EEC at the same time.
Please accept these lines as a response to your arrogance and deeply rooted ignorance.
Really hoping if we get a United Ireland that all the Irish welcome Africans into Ireland cos as a former Colonised nation we need to show love to those who have been Colonised by the English and other European countries,if Africa was never Colonised it would not be having the terrible problems we see now..Everyone should know Nigeria as a country was invented by the British and they sold it to a company called UNILEVER who are a big Multinational company today...they carved up Africa and robbed and slaughtered and kidnapped the people and that is why Europe is rich today,the same type of people who did this are here today..Boris Johnson,Arlene Foster..The DUP..it's the same Mindset...they don't care if ordinary people suffer..they don't care about the Border..they only care about Power and making Money.
I think you need to com to terms with the fact that the Irish were colonists. Irishmen were very important in building the British empire. The last British military commander in the 13 colonies ? - An Irishman.
@@andrewhutchinson36 yes I'm sure they did..the oppressed helping their oppressor to oppress others..how shameful is that?
@@andrewhutchinson36 There are Irishmen, and there are Irishmen. Wellington, for example, was Irish, though something tells me you'd probably like to claim otherwise.
Didn't know about Unilever, thanks for that.
Journalism stoops to a new low
So does your spelling.
@@karstentopp the BNP has not existed in any real way for years
Up the RA!
@mhffc No. The Irish Republican Army.
The Royal Artillery are terrorists.
Independence for Scotland incoming! 🏴🇪🇺🍾
Fear! ....crisis! .... panic! .... hysteria! HATE! .. words that so overused these days it's getting daft.
Okey so let England annex Ireland
England couldn't even annex Bradford back from the pakls in 2019
That's your solution? You would have no problems getting out of the EU if England had not annexed Ireland in the first place.
@@jingoist-sj8gj a racist irishman? I think the irish at the least should know about groups claiming supremacy over you for nearly a thousand years
@@ce1834 the 🇬🇧 has been annexing just about everywhere over the last 1000 years
Hard border referendum 32 counties up the RA 🇮🇪
Terrorists will never win
@@flubadubdubthegreat1272
Of course one mans terrorist is another mans freedom fighter.
@Alex Jones Are you 12yr old? Bit of a Walter Mitty you are there dude
Alex Jones you brits only understand language of violence. You’ve learned that irish are people too when they turned against you after hundreds of years of oppression.
come on hard border!
Northern ireland is better in the union. Everyone in NI knows this.
@Decky Graham thats up to you if you want .ie websites. Pay 80 eur to see a gp. Have everything increase in price overnight. Have the eur. Hey instead of apparently being slave to england lol its a slave to the eu !! Free ireland no never u will always be someones master . The eu made sure of that with the 3 bail outs
ulster managed quite well without the angles sticking there nose in , and id argue it was brits poking their nose in that created tensions that have lasted centuries
@@thepenetrator2006 it's €50 to go to the Doctor and we elected to join the EU, which can't be said for 'joining the UK' so it's hardly slavery?
[citation needed]
@@kevburke lol 50 to see a doc u must not be in donegal
'Brexit crisis' - so, you're a remainer, then!
The video depicts a crisis. It is caused by brexit. Therefore, Brexit crisis. Isn't difficult.
@@joshc6432 The 'crisis' being what?
@@adarkimpurity The crisis is when people like "Robbie" spring into action to claim that that there is no crisis, black is white unless they're showing their racism in which case black is never white even if you're James Cleverly.
Robbie Two questions, Robbie...
Q1) Did you watch the video?
Q2) Did you understand it?
@@Jim1255783 See comment above.
"You can't eat a flag".... oh profound. Especially since the same man is a staunch Republican...yet an advocate of the EU. Lol. His entire POV is that Ireland belongs to Ireland...except when it belongs to EU.
Leave means leave already... Leave Ireland while you are at it and you will have no worries. Ireland should leave the EU as well after being reunified.
And join the UK in misery??
@@Niceswanbai the island of Britain will be just fine. They should have approved May’s proposal eons ago. The politicians don’t want to leave or if they leave for it not be pleasant. If a person born and raised or legally immigrated to England can’t afford to buy a property at 24 priced at 3x their annual full time salary the country is in a mess. Period.
Brexit is not a "crisis"! The well informed people of this country voted for it, do not insult us!
This isn't about England is it though. If they try put a border in Ireland again people are going to die on all sides.
It is. Remain or Leave, it is a crisis.
People did vote for it well informed no i dont think so.
>well informed
lmao
The well informed people googled "what is the EU" the day after the election.
NO SURRENDER...ULSTER IS BRITISH...