Interesting sounds coming from that consist, pretty quiet. Also, nice to see the 3084 again. Was absent for a long time. Thanks for taking and sharing!
Great capture! I love any footage from the CPKC Calgary-Edmonton line because of how iconic it is and also how close to the railway you get while on the highway next to it.. Good old Highway 2A, the OG link between the two cities... Just wish the province the the railway finally got a deal done to double-track the line and FINALLY offer high speed passenger rail on it again... I.e. a hydrogen-version of the 240 kmh Jettrain which was previously proposed to run this line... As much as I like the Prairie Link proposal by Ellis Don to build a 350 kmh TGV on a Greenfield alignment? The cost and uncertainly about potential revenue makes it just one leap too big for most people these days. Especially when this tech could do the job nicely... ;-)
You never know but I won't hold my breath. Albertans go everywhere in trucks. If you live in the burbs you have to drive to get everything. Public Transit? Nope.
Thanks for chasing and sharing your vid' captures ! Actually finally took still shots Oct6th of 1001/1002, when they were 'off-duty' for at least 3 days previous, at their presumed semi-permanent fueling station at Ogden yard ! Maybe prepping for this 'run ! 8-) (swich vs switch ? ) "G-gauge may not RULE, But it GROWS on Ya !!" djc'99
These are some cool units. I love the design for 1001, but the only thing I don’t like is the ge wide cab on 1200. But the horns are good, and I’m very glad they kept the design for 1001 and 1002. Great catch!
@@OffGridUrbanistFor rail and trucking, absolutely. But for cars, certainly not. Why waste electricity or natural gas when you can use both to charge batteries? Take another step out of the efficiency equation and just electrify the railroads.
hello Central Alberta Railfan & it's is Randy and i like yours video is cool Thanks Central Alberta Railfan Friends Randy & Super Cool Chasing CPKC'S Hydrogen Units CPKC C98 Thanks Randy
I’ve been trying to find video of the hydrogen units operating so I could hear what they sound like. This vid was a gold mine! I’m all for new power sources and I think hydrogen makes more sense than electrifying here. Just because works across the pond, doesn’t always mean it’ll work here! Great vid
@@kailanwarren2139 the other cowl units in Canada, the Dash 8-40CM, SD40-2F, SD50F, SD60F, and HR616 locomotives all had Draper Tapers on both sides for rear visibility. The WABTEC hydrogen unit from one side looks like a U.S. cowl unit without even a Draper Taper and from the other side looks similar to an AC6000CW.
I wonder how they performed in Canadas extreme Cold a few Weeks ago? In Case the Engines didn't perform I can understand why They put a regular Unit on during the test run.
These are nothing short of interesting but putting them on freight trains will be the real test. At least it’s nice to see 1200 bearing the CPKC letters.
CPKC hydrogen units on the move. CPKC #1002 moving on their own power with Hydrogen. CPKC first locomotive carrying CPKC markings. CPKC #1200 has arrived. Developed by a partnership between CSX and CPKC. CPKC and CSX also plan to acquire the Meridian and Bigbee Railroad in Mississippi.
@joshthetrainfan I'm not to sure what number 9733 going to be maybe 1201 ? But yea there doing a SD40-2 CP 5943 but again not im 100% sure of the new numbers are going to be.
I reckon that these well work far better than any battery locomotive they came up with in the past. Would be cheaper at this point to just start electrification.
Not cross country . . Electrification would require thousands of miles of catenary and hundreds of substations. Battery would work better because electricity would only be needed every 100 to 200 miles. But hydrogen accomplishes the same thing since its exhaust is water vapor
@@opvjg Bad cop out. We already have substations all over the US. PTC was too expensive as well until it got mandated. We should do the same thing here.
@barontaylor7139 Yes; 1001 was at one time CP 9024. I have no problem with converting; but -- why did CP do it to the LAST SD40 that was ever built? Did they not know? Or did they not care? DISCLAIMER: I am honoured to live 15 mi/25 km from the museum where the FIRST SD40 ever built now resides. I always held out hope that they could obtain CP 9024 as well.
CP just cant decide on a hydrogen scheme lol. 1001: Only one with blue underside. 1002: Only one with the CP red in the middle. 1200: Only one with both the full hydrogen scheme, and black underside. (im not counting the CPKC logo on 1200, because that's just them switching ownership).
Which of those units are Hydrogen-fueled? Why aren't they connected to 15,000-ton trains doing real work? Converting an engine to run on Hydrogen cuts its power output in half if all else remains unchanged. Do they need twice as many locomotives to do the same work? Where are they getting the Hydrogen? Inquiring minds want to know. I'm not impressed yet. Green paint jobs don't mean the technology is "green".
1. The green ones (1200, 1001, 1002) 2. Engines are in the test phase, afaik they're the first to be tested for long-haul freight. Previous attempts was with light passenger rail 3. Initially hydrogen engines will probably serve as DPUs with one or more diesels to reduce the overall emissions until the H20ELs are ready for prime time 4. CP has a hydrogen production facility in Calgary which is powered by a 5MW solar farm 5. lol yeah just paint the diesels green, good to go! I'm impressed. This is a good step forward. CP using solar to power the hydrogen plant is a bonus as well.
I predict these ugly looking things will be stored on an obscure siding somewhere within a year, collecting rust and waiting on a scrapping torch. Remember the failed Cummins “QSK95” abomination?!
@@widodoakrom3938 Only with a lot of government subsidies in Canada and the U.S. Notice how lots of low emissions switchers only operate in states that offer subsidies and as soon as the funding period ends the locomotives are put in storage and then rust away? I'm thinking Texas and California here. LOL Hydrogen is not ideal for long haul freight in North America unless government literally forces the issue and then it's going to cost a lot of money and make everything expensive to ship and "greedy corporations" will be blamed for the price hike. Sorry for being too real, I know most people here just care about trains as eye candy.
still lots of amateur graphic artists practice on boxcars and cement cars----- cost of spray paint is too cheapbless them little beggars....srry those must be grain cars---the gray ones could be fertllizer or cement, or mining ore
Interesting sounds coming from that consist, pretty quiet. Also, nice to see the 3084 again. Was absent for a long time. Thanks for taking and sharing!
Did seem quieter, right?
Great capture! I love any footage from the CPKC Calgary-Edmonton line because of how iconic it is and also how close to the railway you get while on the highway next to it.. Good old Highway 2A, the OG link between the two cities... Just wish the province the the railway finally got a deal done to double-track the line and FINALLY offer high speed passenger rail on it again... I.e. a hydrogen-version of the 240 kmh Jettrain which was previously proposed to run this line... As much as I like the Prairie Link proposal by Ellis Don to build a 350 kmh TGV on a Greenfield alignment? The cost and uncertainly about potential revenue makes it just one leap too big for most people these days. Especially when this tech could do the job nicely... ;-)
You never know but I won't hold my breath. Albertans go everywhere in trucks. If you live in the burbs you have to drive to get everything. Public Transit? Nope.
Thanks for chasing and sharing your vid' captures !
Actually finally took still shots Oct6th of 1001/1002, when they were 'off-duty' for at least 3 days previous, at their presumed semi-permanent fueling station at Ogden yard !
Maybe prepping for this 'run ! 8-)
(swich vs switch ? )
"G-gauge may not RULE, But it GROWS on Ya !!" djc'99
These are some cool units. I love the design for 1001, but the only thing I don’t like is the ge wide cab on 1200. But the horns are good, and I’m very glad they kept the design for 1001 and 1002. Great catch!
The paint scheme is meh, but seeing them run under their own power and strictly on hydrogen is so cool to me
One green stripe would have done lol👍🏻
CP 3084 was not running on Hydrogen, so only three of the four units were running on hydrogen.
I liked the third unit - gray/green with black bogies. The red scheme really clashes, and I don't like the blue bogies as much.
It's great to see a railroad start using Hydrogen as a fuel. Perfect for all Railroads.
Hydrogen fuel cell will have the edge on battery electric when it comes to scalability. I hope for the success of this project.
@@OffGridUrbanistFor rail and trucking, absolutely. But for cars, certainly not. Why waste electricity or natural gas when you can use both to charge batteries? Take another step out of the efficiency equation and just electrify the railroads.
Catenary wires are better
@@widodoakrom3938 that would be ideal. But this is North American , we can’t have nice things.
Ngl still think electric power is the way to go
EPIC chase! That new 1200 looks so awesome!
That new GE Hydrogen unit looks pretty interesting, but the back of it is weird. It was in a great consist though!
Greetings from Tennessee.
Great captures!👍
1200 is interesting, as it doesn't have a symetrical design. Cowl unit on one side, hood on the other. I didn't know that until watching this video!
Great video man!
Thx!!!
Awesome video! I really loved it! I'm so proud of you!
hello Central Alberta Railfan & it's is Randy and i like yours video is cool Thanks Central Alberta Railfan Friends Randy & Super Cool Chasing CPKC'S Hydrogen Units CPKC C98 Thanks Randy
Look at the Cowl Unit (CP 1001). ITS BEAUTIFUL.
Great video thank you😊
Awesome video!👍🏾
Awesome video!
Cool video and channel just subscribed
awesome catches! didnt even know about 1200 until i saw this video
Awesome catch !!
Great catches awesome chase and nice video and capture
Very nice hope at some point they will appear here on the west coast at some point.
The sounds from the Hydrogen sound almost sci-fi-y, especially at 10:10
I wish we could see CPKC new regular locomotives.
Very nice video!
hi jon
Man those paint schemes went from Fugly to Fugliest !!!
good stuff, Kailan
I’ve been trying to find video of the hydrogen units operating so I could hear what they sound like. This vid was a gold mine! I’m all for new power sources and I think hydrogen makes more sense than electrifying here. Just because works across the pond, doesn’t always mean it’ll work here! Great vid
Seems like using electrolysis to make hydrogen is more free than battery storage.
Electric train release by CPKC nice CP (Canadien pacific) KC (KCS) Kansas City southern
WABTEC hydrogen unit! Cool! Can’t wait to see the new CPKC ET44ACs!
That WABTEC hydrogen unit looks like a semi cowl unit. Wide body and no walkway on the left side, walkway on the right side.
@armandoperez7967 yea & on the Counductors side there's no back window
@@kailanwarren2139 the other cowl units in Canada, the Dash 8-40CM, SD40-2F, SD50F, SD60F, and HR616 locomotives all had Draper Tapers on both sides for rear visibility. The WABTEC hydrogen unit from one side looks like a U.S. cowl unit without even a Draper Taper and from the other side looks similar to an AC6000CW.
Cool looking GE hydrogen fuel cell locomotive the radiator me of the ac6000cw
BUF PIT Is Buffalo Pittsburgh Railroad
H2 is the future.
The future is here
CPKC Is Canadian Pacific Kansas City
I wonder how they performed in Canadas extreme Cold a few Weeks ago? In Case the Engines didn't perform I can understand why They put a regular Unit on during the test run.
These are nothing short of interesting but putting them on freight trains will be the real test. At least it’s nice to see 1200 bearing the CPKC letters.
Amazing! btw how many hydrogen units currently on the roster?
3
CPKC hydrogen units on the move. CPKC #1002 moving on their own power with Hydrogen. CPKC first locomotive carrying CPKC markings. CPKC #1200 has arrived. Developed by a partnership between CSX and CPKC. CPKC and CSX also plan to acquire the Meridian and Bigbee Railroad in Mississippi.
You aren't the one making tags.
So, is 1200 the first CPKC lettered locomotive?
Until they use a cleaner obtainable battery, like the sodium ion, this’ll be the cleanest train in North America.
Is the 1st unit, the one leading actually hydrogen? It has a different paint scheme and looks just like a regular diesel locomotive.
Can someone tell how much tractive effort this thing?
Well if it works for those then get a couple of ALCOS AND A F9 out of storage and I'll be happy
Supposedly, the lineage of 1200 is ex-CP 9733
1200 is EX CP 9517 2nd one will be 9733
@@kailanwarren2139 Which one is going to be 9733? Also, an SD40-2 is supposed to come out soon.
@joshthetrainfan I'm not to sure what number 9733 going to be maybe 1201 ? But yea there doing a SD40-2 CP 5943 but again not im 100% sure of the new numbers are going to be.
I reckon that these well work far better than any battery locomotive they came up with in the past. Would be cheaper at this point to just start electrification.
Not cross country . . Electrification would require thousands of miles of catenary and hundreds of substations. Battery would work better because electricity would only be needed every 100 to 200 miles. But hydrogen accomplishes the same thing since its exhaust is water vapor
@@opvjg Bad cop out. We already have substations all over the US. PTC was too expensive as well until it got mandated. We should do the same thing here.
One of them was an old SD 40-2F
@barontaylor7139 Yes; 1001 was at one time CP 9024. I have no problem with converting; but -- why did CP do it to the LAST SD40 that was ever built? Did they not know? Or did they not care?
DISCLAIMER: I am honoured to live 15 mi/25 km from the museum where the FIRST SD40 ever built now resides. I always held out hope that they could obtain CP 9024 as well.
Interesting units.
I kinda don't like it radiators though.
Those are EVO radiators from the slope and rear overhang
Surprised they are so noisy at idle. Might be air compressors, blower fans? The Stadler H2 EMU I travelled on was dead silent.
GENERAL ELECTRIC UNITS HAVE ELECTRICALLY DRIVEN BLOWERS AND AIR COMPRESSORS WHICH SHUT DOWN WHEN NOT NEEDED!
@@rossbryan6102 no need to yell
With Canada's rich hydropower, why not just put up catenary?
Canada is vast country with low population density
Canada is vast. The number of substations and extreme weather changes would be chaotic I think.
Wha-
CP just cant decide on a hydrogen scheme lol.
1001: Only one with blue underside.
1002: Only one with the CP red in the middle.
1200: Only one with both the full hydrogen scheme, and black underside.
(im not counting the CPKC logo on 1200, because that's just them switching ownership).
EMD's that lost their EMD traits :,(
A CPKC What???
Canadian pasific Kansas city the very first freight trains works in 3 north American countries Canada USA and mexico
Sadly, it takes more energy to produce hydrogen fuel than it does to make diesel fuel.
Ok
Hydrogen has more energy dense
Which of those units are Hydrogen-fueled? Why aren't they connected to 15,000-ton trains doing real work? Converting an engine to run on Hydrogen cuts its power output in half if all else remains unchanged. Do they need twice as many locomotives to do the same work? Where are they getting the Hydrogen? Inquiring minds want to know. I'm not impressed yet. Green paint jobs don't mean the technology is "green".
1. The green ones (1200, 1001, 1002)
2. Engines are in the test phase, afaik they're the first to be tested for long-haul freight. Previous attempts was with light passenger rail
3. Initially hydrogen engines will probably serve as DPUs with one or more diesels to reduce the overall emissions until the H20ELs are ready for prime time
4. CP has a hydrogen production facility in Calgary which is powered by a 5MW solar farm
5. lol yeah just paint the diesels green, good to go!
I'm impressed. This is a good step forward. CP using solar to power the hydrogen plant is a bonus as well.
I predict these ugly looking things will be stored on an obscure siding somewhere within a year, collecting rust and waiting on a scrapping torch. Remember the failed Cummins “QSK95” abomination?!
Meanwhile the QSK95 is a success on the Siemens Charger
Hydrogen freight trains will be successful
@@widodoakrom3938 Only with a lot of government subsidies in Canada and the U.S. Notice how lots of low emissions switchers only operate in states that offer subsidies and as soon as the funding period ends the locomotives are put in storage and then rust away? I'm thinking Texas and California here. LOL Hydrogen is not ideal for long haul freight in North America unless government literally forces the issue and then it's going to cost a lot of money and make everything expensive to ship and "greedy corporations" will be blamed for the price hike. Sorry for being too real, I know most people here just care about trains as eye candy.
Those locomotives are an embarrassment
I don't mind the green paint
@@kailanwarren2139 The Green/blue/grey is great. Adding the CP red on the 1002 was disgusting.
still lots of amateur graphic artists practice on boxcars and cement cars----- cost of spray paint is too cheapbless them little beggars....srry those must be grain cars---the gray ones could be fertllizer or cement, or mining ore