Freightliner Locomotive test with Union Pacific!

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  • čas přidán 10. 03. 2024
  • Power Haul PH37ACi Freightliner 70012 was revived for testing in March after being stored for a few years. This unit was famous for being dropped upon delivery to the UK and returned to GE where it was repaired and kept for testing. It was the first time tested with UP locomotives.
    #unionpacific #freightliner #wabtec #powerhaul #erie #test #testing
    Stay tuned! it will be testing more in 2024!
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  • @TheCyberSalvager
    @TheCyberSalvager Před 3 měsíci +400

    It's quite mind-blowing seeing a UK-spec locomotive running with US ones. I would imagine a lot of this was done when the class 66s were first brought out as well. It also goes to show the difference between the UK and US loading gauges.

    • @22pcirish
      @22pcirish Před 3 měsíci +31

      Thanks to the AAR system, the UK classes 66,67 and 70 can run happily in multiple with any American loco!

    • @A-Trainspotter-From-Berkshire
      @A-Trainspotter-From-Berkshire Před 3 měsíci +11

      @@22pcirish The Class 73/9s can happily work with the Total Operations Processing System class 66s.

    • @charlesburgoyne-probyn6044
      @charlesburgoyne-probyn6044 Před 3 měsíci +6

      ​@@22pcirishnot quite as the coupling format are incompatible

    • @22pcirish
      @22pcirish Před 3 měsíci +14

      @@charlesburgoyne-probyn6044 Easily changed. We do use the standard US knuckle coupler here too.

    • @charlesburgoyne-probyn6044
      @charlesburgoyne-probyn6044 Před 3 měsíci +5

      @@22pcirish UK specimens of Janney coupler are centered at 3'6" draught and are 3/4 size version of what's used in north America

  • @hoofie2002
    @hoofie2002 Před 3 měsíci +40

    For the Yanks : the reason the UK loading gauge is much smaller is nearly all our routes and their bridges, tunnels, stations ( and there are countless numbers of them) were built in the middle or late 19th century so we still have to fit under, through or alongside them.

    • @the_earlybirf1170
      @the_earlybirf1170 Před 2 měsíci +3

      Ah it's pretty similar to why locos like the GE Genisis other more recent passenger locos have a really short height due to Amtrak's tunnel restrictions, we even made a fleet of long distance passenger cars because of those restrictions.

  • @Madhuntr
    @Madhuntr Před 3 měsíci +190

    finally a proper real life comparison of sizes between american and Europpean locos. damn they are so much bigger

    • @audigex
      @audigex Před 3 měsíci +56

      British locos are small even by European standards

    • @thechilledonion9313
      @thechilledonion9313 Před 3 měsíci +14

      @@audigex Yep. The Brits have narrower and smaller tunnels than the rest of Europe.

    • @digimaks
      @digimaks Před 3 měsíci +5

      With exception- the Russian (East European) locomotives are also huge, compared to the rest of European fleet. Besides their rail gauge is 1540 mm. The only wider gauge is in India - it's like 2000mm or so.

    • @BobRoss-kl7oc
      @BobRoss-kl7oc Před 3 měsíci +6

      @@digimaks Irish rail gauge, which is also used in Australia, is ~1600mm, bigger than Russian/Eastern European gauge

    • @SomeGuy-lw2po
      @SomeGuy-lw2po Před 2 měsíci +3

      ​@thechilledonion9313 it's a real shame we didn't look at Europe all those years ago and copy their bigger loading gauge.
      Double decker trains would be very useful in this country

  • @mt5144
    @mt5144 Před 3 měsíci +107

    Thousands of British Rail Enthusiasts' would be in there ellements to see 70012, It was a Loco which was dropped from the Beluga Endurance ship whilst being unloaded at Newport Docks in Wales UK on 5th Jan 2011 when it was dropped when part of the lifting gear failed, causing the locomotive to fall approximately 13 to 20 ft (4 to 6 m) from the crane, back into the hold of the ship, It was the only Class 70 Loco not to be delivered to Freightliner UK & returned to GE in Erie, USA & It's so nice to see it has been rebuilt & still running the rails.

    • @dogmannz
      @dogmannz Před 2 měsíci +7

      Like to know what was on the bottom of the hold to stop it going right through

    • @mt5144
      @mt5144 Před 2 měsíci +4

      @@dogmannz one of the Ships Crane Slings ruptured & dropped one end of 70012 approx 15ft onto the pontoon deck, shortly followed by the other end as the stress in the second sling was too much, The ship left the dock to travel to Belgium to unload its Grain it was carrying then went into dry dock for repairs to its hold, The loco left by road on a Lo-Loader trailer to Liverpool Docks to be shipped back on the "Atlantic Concert" ship to the port of Norfolk, USA then roaded back to Erie, I also believe the UK Truck Firm was also sent on the Ship holding the loco on its secure trailer.

    • @STHSIndustries2K6
      @STHSIndustries2K6 Před 2 měsíci +3

      70012 is a neat testbed Class 70. Maybe it could be preserved once retired from testbed service.

    • @1701_FyldeFlyer
      @1701_FyldeFlyer Před 2 měsíci +1

      They dropped a 66 when it was being unloaded too. Someone wasnt paying attention for that to happen twice!

    • @STHSIndustries2K6
      @STHSIndustries2K6 Před 2 měsíci

      @@1701_FyldeFlyer but what happened to it after it was accidentally dropped?

  • @whatxd_hello7
    @whatxd_hello7 Před 3 měsíci +179

    It's crazy how the British loco look so small compared to the US, truly a man and a giant

    • @abloogywoogywoo
      @abloogywoogywoo Před 3 měsíci +7

      Its as long as the US locos, just shorter. ^^

    • @seymoarsalvage
      @seymoarsalvage Před 3 měsíci +7

      Loading gauge

    • @digimaks
      @digimaks Před 3 měsíci +12

      European sizing. They have far shorter and less weight-intensive trains. Both - US and RUssian locomotives are the biggest machines on the railroads in the world. Both countries are dragging largest freight loads.

    • @maingear7452
      @maingear7452 Před 2 měsíci +7

      Have to account for their tunnels

    • @billybellend1155
      @billybellend1155 Před 2 měsíci +8

      @@digimaks
      What about Australia?

  • @Cnw8701
    @Cnw8701 Před 3 měsíci +211

    Never thought I'd see the day when a British locomotive does the American horn sequence! That was awesome!

  • @pacificostudios
    @pacificostudios Před 2 měsíci +56

    The horn on the Class 70 is almost drowned out by the roar of the American locomotives. Son of a gun!

    • @Look_What_You_Did
      @Look_What_You_Did Před 2 měsíci +1

      The US is big on noise pollution.

    • @pacificostudios
      @pacificostudios Před 2 měsíci +1

      @@Look_What_You_Did - British noise standards on locos must be much stricter, because the Class 70 prime mover is 3720 HP, and the American engines are about 4000 HP each. I've noticed that the new Siemens Chargers are much quieter than the F59PH engines they replaced, despite being much more powerful.

    • @Look_What_You_Did
      @Look_What_You_Did Před 2 měsíci +5

      @@pacificostudios I suspect some of that is emissions related. Some of the noise pollution differences I can understand. Much of the US rail way is wide open unpopulated. I don't know that a quieter engine is beneficial. The bell, and the horns are deafening. Oh and the rail ways are also deploying stationary horns at select crossings. So not only do you have a horn blowing down the track, but additional horns blowing perpendicular to the track. I have yet to see a horn save anybody in the US.

    • @mrvwbug4423
      @mrvwbug4423 Před 2 měsíci

      The engine is usually the same. Example the class 66 and 67 use the same EMD 710 prime mover as US spec trains, just in a 12 cylinder variant instead of the 16 cylinder version of the SD70

    • @mrvwbug4423
      @mrvwbug4423 Před 2 měsíci

      @@pacificostudiosThe Chargers have common rail injection and are of a much more modern design, hence being significantly quieter. There is also the SCR box and the DPF in the exhaust system which reduces noise further. UK locomotives aren't necessarily quieter, prime example the class 68 and its rather rowdy exhaust note, it's using a CAT C175-16 engine, which is a tier 4 engine but is using a very minimal muffler if any at all. The EMD F125 also uses the C175 engine, just in the 20 cylinder variant and is a lot quieter, nearly as quiet as the Charger

  • @70rrsteve51
    @70rrsteve51 Před 3 měsíci +54

    Another example of the adage “there’s a prototype for everything”.

  • @VexSG
    @VexSG Před 3 měsíci +67

    In the UK, Class 70s are quite the locomotive, and it is *very* clear on how restrictive the loading gauge is here than across the pond, the UP Locos make it look like a shunter train more than anything! 😂

    • @OldSchool-px1xk
      @OldSchool-px1xk Před 3 měsíci +9

      make no mistake, the Freightline has nearly the same traction power like the EVO series

    • @jamesbuckner4791
      @jamesbuckner4791 Před 3 měsíci +2

      Nah, Pretty sure switchers are taller and heavier still

    • @sterlingodeaghaidh5086
      @sterlingodeaghaidh5086 Před 2 měsíci

      It's a pretty good locomotive regardless of size. The U.S is younger so most of our infrastructure was built to accommodate bigger locomotives, but I bet ya that thing could work just as much as the big boys that dominate our tracks.

  • @dave6695
    @dave6695 Před 3 měsíci +115

    The UK Freightliner unit shows just how much tighter (aka: restrictive) the UK loading gauge is.

    • @DistanceNsVeterans
      @DistanceNsVeterans Před 3 měsíci +19

      Also add to that American Locomotives locomotives Are pure Giants.

    • @canadiantrainperson
      @canadiantrainperson Před 3 měsíci +7

      @@DistanceNsVeteransEhhhh, quite long, but visit North America, and you'll see that our locos are much taller and bigger overall.

    • @DistanceNsVeterans
      @DistanceNsVeterans Před 3 měsíci +10

      @@canadiantrainperson That's What I mean, American Locomotives Are pure giants, I'm too a American.

    • @A-Trainspotter-From-Berkshire
      @A-Trainspotter-From-Berkshire Před 3 měsíci +4

      @@DistanceNsVeterans In Great Britain the Total Operations Processing System Class 70 is considered a large loco, we do have some very small locos and multiple units on the mainline for example some units are 2.59m wide and 2.8m tall and have coaches of 15m in length.

    • @DistanceNsVeterans
      @DistanceNsVeterans Před 3 měsíci

      @@A-Trainspotter-From-Berkshire To consider that Most of the diesel are at heights of 12ft, while The steam most of their steam locomotives are 13ft in Britain.

  • @oldrunner55
    @oldrunner55 Před 2 měsíci +11

    I spent many a late night running engineering tests on 809 back in the 80's when it was new. I was a Measurement Specialist for Locomotive Engineering before retiring in 2000 after 35 years with GE.

    • @stephankoenig5481
      @stephankoenig5481  Před 2 měsíci

      It would need a complete overhaul but it still can run. It is more useful as a coupler bridge car for the Power Haul units

  • @leonkernan
    @leonkernan Před 3 měsíci +48

    Reminds me of when they tested a Tasrail (Australia) locomotive in Florida before delivery.
    The roof didn't even reach the top of the next locos nose!

    • @Marci_trains
      @Marci_trains Před 3 měsíci +7

      Is there a video of it? As an Aussie I’d love to see that

    • @wolfpacw
      @wolfpacw Před 3 měsíci +3

      @@Marci_trains Likewise, especially a tiny little Tasrail loco!

  • @3xfaster
    @3xfaster Před 2 měsíci +7

    It’s like Flying Scotsman during their USA rail tour, except the Class 70’s trying out the local gym with some American spotters.

    • @mrvwbug4423
      @mrvwbug4423 Před 2 měsíci +1

      I could just imagine the Flying Scotsman sitting next to 4014 or 3985, the big UP locos would dwarf it.

  • @BNSFrailfan01
    @BNSFrailfan01 Před 3 měsíci +86

    I’ve always loved how British locomotives are smaller than American locomotives, hence the odd look of having the Freightliner unit in the lead.

    • @abainbridge7762
      @abainbridge7762 Před 3 měsíci +14

      From a guy living in the UK, we would say how the American locos are bigger than British.🙂

    • @zodiotekgaming
      @zodiotekgaming Před 3 měsíci +6

      Loading guage is different

    • @Genius_at_Work
      @Genius_at_Work Před 3 měsíci +3

      @@abainbridge7762 European POV, British are a bit small and Americans are huge.

    • @abainbridge7762
      @abainbridge7762 Před 2 měsíci

      My comment was a joke on the POV from both sides of the Pond.🙂@@Genius_at_Work

  • @nlo114
    @nlo114 Před 3 měsíci +57

    That's good, 4 passes without catching fire!

  • @tvm73836
    @tvm73836 Před 3 měsíci +21

    Funny, you were distracted by the CSX consist! I would be too 😀

  • @nwrno2productions
    @nwrno2productions Před 3 měsíci +6

    That's funny to see a GE built loco (American built for the uk market) here doing tests for the company that built it. Tests with its big brothers (emphasis on the big part).
    It shows the differences between us and our uk counterparts when it comes to railroading.

  • @durhsy414
    @durhsy414 Před 3 měsíci +21

    Incredible to see 012 in action & living after that horrendous visit to England.

    • @we1330
      @we1330 Před 3 měsíci +5

      It didn't reach England, only managed Wales! ;).

    • @STHSIndustries2K6
      @STHSIndustries2K6 Před 2 měsíci

      Who didn't do their job properly?

    • @olly5764
      @olly5764 Před 2 měsíci +1

      It never went to England

    • @we1330
      @we1330 Před 2 měsíci

      @@olly5764 Correct, it got as far as Newport, Wales.

    • @kristoffermangila
      @kristoffermangila Před 2 měsíci

      @@STHSIndustries2K6 the crane maintenance crew and the operator, they didn't check the slings that carried the locomotive, thus it ruptured during the lift and the locomotive fell back to the cargo ship, bending its frame. Result, one unusable locomotive and one cargo ship going to an unscheduled drydock due to the damage to the hold.

  • @HappyJigg
    @HappyJigg Před 3 měsíci +21

    I love the handrails and catwalks tacked on to the side

    • @kristoffermangila
      @kristoffermangila Před 2 měsíci

      The Class 70s are built that way...

    • @TheRealAdamBussey
      @TheRealAdamBussey Před 2 měsíci

      ​@kristoffermangila not quite, the one in the video has had the catwalks on the sides widened to US loading gauge it seems

  • @christopherpearson4489
    @christopherpearson4489 Před 2 měsíci +6

    it is a shame that we in britain now buy our locomotives from abroad we were once one of of the greatest builders of locomotives for the world

    • @mrvwbug4423
      @mrvwbug4423 Před 2 měsíci +1

      The US is in the same boat for passenger rolling stock. Mostly because our main passenger rolling stock builders either went out of business (Pullman) or are now foreign owned due to repeated mergers (Budd who were bought out by Bombardier who was then bought out by Alstom). The busiest locomotive/rolling stock factory in the US now is the Siemens factory in California.

  • @IowaGrandpaTrain
    @IowaGrandpaTrain Před 3 měsíci +17

    Great catch! My guess is that Wabtec is using it to test new components for possible use in the European market. The fact that they added US handrails to it suggests that it will be used more often for that purpose.

    • @mrvwbug4423
      @mrvwbug4423 Před 2 měsíci +1

      Not sure what they would sell in Europe. Certainly not signaling gear, Wabtec refuses to make an ETCS/ERTMS system since it would be less profitable than their US only I-ETMS system. But Wabtec also keeps suing to prevent US railroads from adopting ETCS/ERTMS even though ETCS and ERTMS are open source standards that anyone can make equipment for.

    • @sterlingodeaghaidh5086
      @sterlingodeaghaidh5086 Před 2 měsíci +1

      @@mrvwbug4423 They do sell locomotives to the Austrailian Market, as well as GB as referenced by that unit, so its not like they are trying to venture into new territory. Also its not like they have much say in what system is used, the U.S mandated PTC on all class 1 trains, so the European system kinda cant be used anyway.

  • @mlptf
    @mlptf Před 3 měsíci +73

    It's cute seeing a British diesel locomotive tag teaming with American diesels.

  • @Southwest_923WR
    @Southwest_923WR Před 3 měsíci +11

    And the dainty little horn says;"pardon me please?"😂

    • @petec2583
      @petec2583 Před 2 měsíci +3

      It's so annoying how quiet they've made the horns on newer locos. Older 66s are still pretty decent but the later ones (and presumably the 70s, I don't sign them) are like why did I even bother 😂

    • @retrozmachine1189
      @retrozmachine1189 Před 2 měsíci +3

      More of a case that the rest of the world doesn't deafen everyone within a 10km radius. Research has shown time and time again that it's better to blow the horn occasionally so that people don't get used to it. In the event you need to actually warn someone of impending peril, that's when you go nuts with it. Same applies to many tram systems, ding ding for regular alerting, loud blaring horn for emergencies.

    • @railvlogger1439
      @railvlogger1439 Před 2 měsíci +2

      Trains in the UK do not sound their horns when approaching crossings.

    • @petec2583
      @petec2583 Před 2 měsíci +4

      @@railvlogger1439 Unless there's a whistle board or we see something potentially unsafe...

    • @Eddiecurrent2000
      @Eddiecurrent2000 Před 2 měsíci +2

      Actually it's saying "do you mind awfully, if you might step aside dear fellow" 😉

  • @thebrummierailenthusiasts5329
    @thebrummierailenthusiasts5329 Před 2 měsíci +2

    I’ve got some of the class 70s in my home country and they’re now in their 15th year of service

  • @railworksamerica
    @railworksamerica Před 3 měsíci +7

    That Freightliner being coupled to the US locos makes it looks like a MOW unit!

    • @NVRAMboi
      @NVRAMboi Před měsícem

      My exact thoughts as I first watched it.

  • @TheRailfanDan
    @TheRailfanDan Před 2 měsíci +2

    What a wild thing to see this combination and makes a locomotive like this look even smaller next to what we are used to in the US.

  • @doesithaveanengine
    @doesithaveanengine Před 3 měsíci +35

    I was very confused for a second I was like is this America or the UK 😂

    • @cr10001
      @cr10001 Před 2 měsíci +2

      Could only be America, in UK the test train wouldn't get far before there was an embarrassing crunch! :)

    • @doesithaveanengine
      @doesithaveanengine Před 2 měsíci

      this is very true

    • @mrvwbug4423
      @mrvwbug4423 Před 2 měsíci +1

      The American locomotives wouldn't get far before taking out some 100+ year old brick viaduct

  • @Wessexshire
    @Wessexshire Před 2 měsíci +1

    Interesting to see the size differences between our gauges. Very apparent how restrictive the UK gauge actually is.
    Good catch.

  • @wolfpacw
    @wolfpacw Před 3 měsíci +4

    Certainly a good way to visualise the massive size difference between US and UK locomotives... Gives a rough idea how big Aussie locos (aside from the US imports to WA) would look like side by side too, wow!

  • @tracynation2820
    @tracynation2820 Před 3 měsíci +9

    Super. I have a new reason to have foreign models on my North American themed train layout. 💙 T.E.N.

  • @Mercmad
    @Mercmad Před 2 měsíci +2

    I used to do this type of load testing back in the early 70's when working for the NZR in New Zealand. We would couple a New GE loco to a older(a lot older) EMD and pull it up a bank, with the EMD using it's dynamic brake. .On this bank was a tunnel and more than once we could induce a flashover in the traction motors on the unfortunate EMD which would light up the tunnel for brief moment. Amazing how much load can be induced this way and the new General Electric 7FDL-12 would be spewing smoke and sparks as it struggled against the EMD.We coulod get the turbo gauge to read full boost. The GE DX class were supposed to more powerful etc but they were hopelessly unreliable at first with the compressor shafts coming adrift (large shaft flailing about at 1000 RPM made a mess!) .Turbo housing bolts were the wrong grade and were failing and had to be replaced.

    • @stephankoenig5481
      @stephankoenig5481  Před 2 měsíci

      Great memory! It seems like those kind of issues are common here too.

  • @markvogel5872
    @markvogel5872 Před 3 měsíci +1

    That's a cool thing to see!

  • @lilbill6089
    @lilbill6089 Před 2 měsíci +6

    The little Freightshaker gets to come out and play with the big boys!

  • @awesometrainsandbuses
    @awesometrainsandbuses Před 3 měsíci +19

    Wow a class 70 in the United States!

  • @user-bk6qo5mu2o
    @user-bk6qo5mu2o Před 3 měsíci +2

    the difference in size between the locos is crazy

  • @Heavyweight37716
    @Heavyweight37716 Před 2 měsíci +1

    as a person who lives near the main base of the 70's in the u.k it feels weird seeing one of our own in the u.s

  • @jps1179
    @jps1179 Před 2 měsíci +1

    So 70012 was returned to GE thru Norfolk va via a roro ship. We called it the banana loco. The rig was on a British truck and trailer with a British driver. He drove off the ship to the rail head where 70012 was loaded onto a flat car for transport to Ohio. Never thought it was still here!

  • @s_rv.
    @s_rv. Před 3 měsíci +14

    1:39 has to be the sharpest K3 i’ve ever heard

  • @NW-gi1cp
    @NW-gi1cp Před 2 měsíci +2

    A British train pulling an American freight train would go hard ngl

  • @chuchtinit6624
    @chuchtinit6624 Před 2 měsíci +1

    Awesome video! Thanks for posting this. If you get another opportunity to see it running though, could you try to catch the coupling point perpendicular as it passes? I’d love to get a better view of the buffers and 3-link on an American locomotive in use.

  • @terrier_productions
    @terrier_productions Před 3 měsíci +14

    TBH I forget how small our trains are compared the American’s.

    • @Talesfromtherails8277
      @Talesfromtherails8277 Před 3 měsíci +1

      Lol

    • @paulw.woodring7304
      @paulw.woodring7304 Před 3 měsíci +1

      @@ZillaJr0527ProductionsCan you imagine how big they would be if the U. S. had adopted the Erie Six-foot gauge, or the UK the original Great Western Seven-foot gauge?

    • @paulw.woodring7304
      @paulw.woodring7304 Před 3 měsíci +2

      @@ZillaJr0527ProductionsLook them up. Not a secret. Before the 1880s there were several different mainline gauges in use in the U. S. That partly hampered moving men and supplies in the American South during the Civil War. The Erie RR had about the widest U. S. gauge. The famed British engineer and inventor Isambard Kingdom Brunel was Chief Engineer of the Great Western Ry. and had it built to a broad gauge of 7' 1/4", for purposes of stability, capacity and speed. After his death in 1859, Great Britain mandated that all mainline railways be conformed to the common standard gauge of 56.5". But imagine what could have been done in terms of speed and equipment size if a broader gauge had been adopted generally!

  • @Terrys-Steam-and-Cobi
    @Terrys-Steam-and-Cobi Před 3 měsíci

    Awesome

  • @kieranstravels
    @kieranstravels Před 3 měsíci +2

    It's so weird to see one of these alonfside the massive US locos! I see some of it's siblings regularly on the West Coast Main Line here.

  • @bennygstrainvideos
    @bennygstrainvideos Před 3 měsíci

    That's cool!

  • @nige2820
    @nige2820 Před 2 měsíci

    The standard gauge in Ireland is 5 foot three inches. Both Northern Ireland Railways and Iarnród Éireann (Irish Rail) in the Republic run GM diesels, mainly the 6 axle class 201 built in Canada. The majority of passenger services generally consist of bland multiple units but the Enterprise train between Belfast and Dublin is loco hauled by a class 201. Even with the 6.5 inch larger gauge the locos are diminutive compared to their US equivalent.

  • @michiganrailfanfilms353
    @michiganrailfanfilms353 Před 2 měsíci

    So freakin’ happy to see 809 being used again. Hard to tell, was the 809 under power?

  • @maddisonhasley4369
    @maddisonhasley4369 Před 2 měsíci +4

    I never knew the UK and the US ran on the same track gauge, it's quite funny seeing those big American locos being towed by that teeny tiny Class 70, It looks so proud at the front there

    • @StartersOrders
      @StartersOrders Před 2 měsíci +2

      Track gauge yes (1435mm), however the US loading gauge is basically several feet higher (nearly double in the west!) and a foot wider.

  • @Mauscmkwk
    @Mauscmkwk Před 3 měsíci

    The scale is impressive

  • @NorthShoreRails
    @NorthShoreRails Před 2 měsíci

    WHOA this is an X2/ICE caliber catch!

  • @MilkDrinker218
    @MilkDrinker218 Před 3 měsíci +2

    I can only imagine the conversations these engines must have when we aren’t listening.

    • @mybeasty3560
      @mybeasty3560 Před 3 měsíci +1

      Probably goes along the lines of " Yo bro, why y'al known as Fuglies over the pond?"

    • @mrvwbug4423
      @mrvwbug4423 Před 2 měsíci

      Something along the lines of "dude the brake lines go the other way here"

  • @armandoperez7967
    @armandoperez7967 Před 3 měsíci +11

    It is amazing that Brazilian Meter gauge engines are larger and heavier than standard gauge British engines. All locomotives are equally fascinating to watch though. I bet even the Dash 8-40BW four axle locomotive outweighs the Freightliner PH37ACi.

    • @DistanceNsVeterans
      @DistanceNsVeterans Před 3 měsíci +2

      Those are American Locomotives Not Brazilian if you're talking about these Locomotives in the video.

    • @AB-eh9uh
      @AB-eh9uh Před 3 měsíci +2

      If Wiki is to be believed, GE Class 70 is around 6 tonnes heavier than a Dash 8-40BW and over 1.5m (5ft) longer e.g 71ft versus 66ft, longer but sleeker.

    • @happyburger23
      @happyburger23 Před 3 měsíci

      @@DistanceNsVeteranssurprise surprise Brazil imports American locomotives

    • @DistanceNsVeterans
      @DistanceNsVeterans Před 3 měsíci

      @@happyburger23 Yeah I know.

    • @beeble2003
      @beeble2003 Před 3 měsíci +3

      @@DistanceNsVeterans The OP is just saying that they're surprised that Brazilian metre-gauge locomotives are about the same size as US locomotives, whereas UK standard-gauge locomotives are significantly smaller. This appears counterintuitive, since a big locomotive feels like it would be unstable on narrower track (though, of course, they're just fine).

  • @Tom-Lahaye
    @Tom-Lahaye Před 3 měsíci +8

    Amazing the difference in the height of the locomotives, but this is already a thing when we see a class 66 next to other locomotives on the continent of Europe where the loading gauge is also taller and wider than in the UK.
    The UK loading gauge is 3,5ft lower than the US standard for non excess height vehicles.
    The older loading gauge for locomotives in Continental Europe to which locomotives are mostly built sits in the middle between the UK and US.
    The latest loading gauge in Europe used for freight vehicles and double decker passenger stock is somewhat similar to AAR plate C, depending on country the width can be between 2" narrower up to 2" wider than the 10'8" in the AAR specifications. Locomotives stick to the older dimensions so that they can run on all lines, including those not rebuilt to newer standards.
    Except for the Betuweroute in the Netherlands, a newly built freight line which has an allowed height similar to AAR plate H of 20'2", no lines in Europe are suited for double stack containers.
    This was done with the expection that a new route between Europe and China would be built to these standards.
    With the current political situation this plan has be halted, the chance that we ever see double stacked trains on this line is nil. For use internally in Europe it would make no sense as rebuilding the old connecting routes is just too expensive, tunnels, bridges and overhead electric lines all need to be raised in height.

    • @detroitdieselseries5071
      @detroitdieselseries5071 Před 3 měsíci

      Could a SD40-2 run on European rails like in Germany or Poland?

    • @AB-eh9uh
      @AB-eh9uh Před 3 měsíci +1

      US market SD40 2 would likely be too wide & close to the height limit for the German loading gauge, although a UK class 59 (closely based on US SD 40 2) was based in Germany for working heavy freight consist’s until a few years ago - I realise that’s not exactly what you asked though!

    • @Tom-Lahaye
      @Tom-Lahaye Před 3 měsíci +1

      @@detroitdieselseries5071 On most European railways the width of the SD40-2 is just too wide. In Sweden and the Netherlands the wider loading gauge can accommodate the width, although in both countries the allowed height falls just a couple of inches short.
      On the lines with Russian 5' gauge in Eastern Europe it's not a problem, in Estonia there are former UP GE C30-7 and C36-7s running. The Russian loading gauge is the highest and widest in the world.
      The SP ML4000 locomotives however did do test runs in Germany, but they used a line which had a greater allowance for width and height than the German standards, also dimensions of these locomotives were kept within these tolerances, so the had the tucked in top part of the cabs and were slightly lower than other US locomotives, horns and hand rails were not fitted on the roof and also cab steps were not fitted during testing in Germany.

    • @detroitdieselseries5071
      @detroitdieselseries5071 Před 3 měsíci

      @@Tom-Lahaye I know a 2TE10 engine went on polish rails from Lithuania to Ukraine recently

    • @Tom-Lahaye
      @Tom-Lahaye Před 3 měsíci +1

      @@detroitdieselseries5071 Poland and Slovakia have lines built at Russian 5ft gauge which cross the borders into former Soviet Union territory, here these locomotives can run, there also was a line trough Poland to Berlin on standard gauge of 4'8 1/2" which could accommodate the Russian passenger coaches, the bogies would be swapped from broad gauge to standard gauge where both gauges met.

  • @AndreiTupolev
    @AndreiTupolev Před 3 měsíci +1

    Also interesting to hear the level crossing horn code being played on a British two tone horn

    • @mrvwbug4423
      @mrvwbug4423 Před 2 měsíci

      you can hear it on the new Amtrak Avelia Liberty trains as well. Amtrak decided to let Alstom keep the TGV two tone horn on it. Vastly different from the K5L of the OG Acelas

  • @GEVOlutionCPKC
    @GEVOlutionCPKC Před 2 měsíci

    Amazing hunting 🔥

  • @LegoWormNoah101
    @LegoWormNoah101 Před 3 měsíci

    I can imagine back in the 90s, EMD would've been doing something similar with a JT42CWR unit

  • @jasontaylor168
    @jasontaylor168 Před 3 měsíci +10

    Is it me or did it sound like the two GE's were in dynamic for load testing?

  • @LucasTrains1
    @LucasTrains1 Před 2 měsíci +2

    Imagine a Class 37 paired with some American diesels, that would be one heck of a sight with the thrash and the horns.

    • @mrvwbug4423
      @mrvwbug4423 Před 2 měsíci

      Once you adapted the brakes, US/UK brakes connect opposite of each other.

  • @captainminecraft631
    @captainminecraft631 Před 3 měsíci +6

    The double cab is perfect for switching directions!

    • @astygmatyzm9071
      @astygmatyzm9071 Před 2 měsíci

      Yeah, I've always wondered why North American locos are usually single cab.

  • @jamesburnside3023
    @jamesburnside3023 Před 3 měsíci

    Nice catch and capture wondered what happened to that engine

  • @westerleighwerek1493
    @westerleighwerek1493 Před 2 měsíci

    Thats weird seeing them together having photted all the 70's bar this one and several UP loco's in California recently !

  • @clive8907
    @clive8907 Před 3 měsíci

    Good work horses the 70s as are the 66s in the UK

  • @johnsmart964
    @johnsmart964 Před 3 měsíci +2

    It is like a narrow gauge locomotive with standard gauge wheels. Many of them are now in G & W Orange colour scheme.

    • @camerar1
      @camerar1 Před 3 měsíci

      Actually, none have been repainted into G&W Orange. Some were delivered to Colas Rail, which wear a different yellow, orange and black scheme.

    • @johnsmart964
      @johnsmart964 Před 3 měsíci

      @@camerar1 Thank you, sir for that important information, it is the other great American locomotive at work with Freightliner, the class 66 which is receiving the orange paint scheme. Thank you for the correction, no doubt they will get around to repainting them in orange as time marches forward. I am surprised that no British railroad has wanted to buy that class 70 as it seems to be in good enough condition and they have been reengining old locomotives with modern American ones.

  • @DKS225
    @DKS225 Před 3 měsíci

    70012 was being unloaded at Newport when it fell back into the cargo hold from a height of about 20 feet.

    • @EE12CSVT
      @EE12CSVT Před 3 měsíci

      It fell onto the concrete of the dockside

  • @fels4798
    @fels4798 Před 3 měsíci

    Wtf, amazing 👍

  • @RealMeggy
    @RealMeggy Před 3 měsíci +8

    so strange to see UK train pulling US Trains :O

  • @Mauscmkwk
    @Mauscmkwk Před 3 měsíci

    809 should be in a museum

  • @michaelfaussett6508
    @michaelfaussett6508 Před 2 měsíci

    Nice to see a UK locomotive on are railroad would love to see more i love the design of them and even locomotives from other countries would like to see on are rail lines i like all different tip of locomotives don't care where there from.

  • @michaelquinones-lx6ks
    @michaelquinones-lx6ks Před 2 měsíci

    I saw two Athearn genesis locomotives lettered CSX going by.

  • @robertdavies7664
    @robertdavies7664 Před 3 měsíci +1

    Is it possible to visit the WABTEC Works at Erie? Can 70012 be seen from a public place when it is stabled inside the Works?

    • @stephankoenig5481
      @stephankoenig5481  Před 3 měsíci +1

      They don't do tours but it is usually seen from Franklin Avenue.

  • @wbshoggoth6831
    @wbshoggoth6831 Před 2 měsíci +1

    The banana loco! :D

  • @Kelvin_Trekker
    @Kelvin_Trekker Před 2 měsíci +1

    Wow great catch I remember seeing in railway magazine an EWS GE Class 66 coupled with a Wisconsin Central SD40 & SD40-2 mind you EWS and Wisconsin Central have similar colors and design in paint scheme.

  • @AliGroves450
    @AliGroves450 Před 3 měsíci +2

    Odd seeing the Class 70's with larger GE locomotives but its not the first time I have seen it. (GE U20C/GE C30)
    I wonder if 70012 is finally heading into service in the UK?

    • @stephankoenig5481
      @stephankoenig5481  Před 3 měsíci +8

      Its been here for over 12 years. They use it to test upgrades to other units.

    • @AliGroves450
      @AliGroves450 Před 3 měsíci

      @@stephankoenig5481 Alright

  • @xxfyrezgamerxx6279
    @xxfyrezgamerxx6279 Před 3 měsíci

    First time finding out about this, so glad they repaired it and didnt scrap it like british rail scrapped their old BR Steam Locomotives

  • @pietjebell
    @pietjebell Před 3 měsíci +2

    Awesome Railfan video 👍👍👍👍👍🚂

  • @Stefan8u
    @Stefan8u Před 2 měsíci

    As a Brit it's crazy seeing the size comparison. I don't have too much knowledge on the specifics of US traction but the units it's with I'm fairly sure are of an average size for US freight operations?
    Goes to show (and this is a common opinion) that UK rail infrastructure could do with some lessening of curves and heightening of tunnels etc. on it's freight routes at least. Though I think both sides of the pond are equally keen for upgrades of any kind to our rail infrastructure!
    Thanks for posting it doesn't seem often that we get a direct comparison.

    • @stephankoenig5481
      @stephankoenig5481  Před 2 měsíci +1

      More tests are coming for the 70012, Thanks for watching!

  • @TaylorMMontgomery
    @TaylorMMontgomery Před 2 měsíci +3

    why do the UK locos have such funky lighting set ups?

    • @Dan-Athema
      @Dan-Athema Před 2 měsíci +2

      The lights designate what type of train it is, e.g express passenger, passenger or freight etc

  • @Freddybear437
    @Freddybear437 Před 2 měsíci

    This is a great example at how small British trains are

  • @pauledwards2817
    @pauledwards2817 Před 2 měsíci

    Rolling stock for tilting trains in the uk is quite cosy for passengers, close to budget aircraft window seat. Mind your head getting up. Double deck, they tried once with a sort of 1.5 deck with minimal increase in capacity and slower loading times, they were urban units.

  • @the_atsf_railfan2926
    @the_atsf_railfan2926 Před 3 měsíci

    Never thought i would see a British locomotive coupled to American locomotives in real life

  • @modeltrainsandtracks
    @modeltrainsandtracks Před 3 měsíci +6

    Definitely needs a new horn if anyone plans to really run it in the US!

    • @thebigtrainguy
      @thebigtrainguy Před 3 měsíci +2

      I like the current horn though, if the US ran these, I wish they would actually keep the horn

    • @davidty2006
      @davidty2006 Před 3 měsíci

      nothing wrong with the 2 tone.

    • @KCSRailstudios
      @KCSRailstudios Před 2 měsíci

      @@thebigtrainguyit’s too quiet. In the US trains are required to be heard at least 15 seconds before crossing a railroad crossing. Hence the loud 5-chime K5La’s and K5HL’s our locomotives have

  • @robertheinkel6225
    @robertheinkel6225 Před 3 měsíci

    The double cab makes sense.

    • @hoofie2002
      @hoofie2002 Před 3 měsíci +2

      Pretty well every diesel loco in the UK has been dual cab except for shunters and one or two other exceptions like Class 20s and power cars like the HST which would top and tail a consist of passenger carriages for high speed cross country services.

  • @rebaleasure9304
    @rebaleasure9304 Před 2 měsíci

    That's Great, we remember seeing that locomotive get dropped...it was orange I think?

  • @nickclark2278
    @nickclark2278 Před 2 měsíci

    Looks like they’ve extended the side gangways out to the American loading gauge - to make it more compatible with platforms??

  • @Nate0493
    @Nate0493 Před 3 měsíci +2

    Good to see it back, wonder if there’s plans to finally bring it back over?

    • @beeble2003
      @beeble2003 Před 3 měsíci

      I'm not aware of any plans to bring it back to the UK. GE are using it as a testbed, presumably so they can test any potential modifications to the UK fleet.

    • @stephankoenig5481
      @stephankoenig5481  Před 3 měsíci +8

      They already built a replacement for it years ago. It helps to research locomotive tech for the UK here.

    • @A-Trainspotter-From-Berkshire
      @A-Trainspotter-From-Berkshire Před 3 měsíci

      @@stephankoenig5481 Which loco was built to replace it because I can't find the replacement for it.

    • @stephankoenig5481
      @stephankoenig5481  Před 3 měsíci +1

      @@A-Trainspotter-From-Berkshire It was the last one in the class i was told.

    • @A-Trainspotter-From-Berkshire
      @A-Trainspotter-From-Berkshire Před 3 měsíci +1

      @@stephankoenig5481 Just wondering because there are 37 members of the class including 70012, with 30 members being ordered by Freightliner and 7 being ordered by Colas Railfreight. With what I could see is there was no replacement built for 70012.

  • @TheosTrainsWalesOfficial
    @TheosTrainsWalesOfficial Před 3 měsíci

    Hey-hey! Nice to see you lot testing out some of our fleet! These and the pretty much extinct Class 58's have US freight style bodyshell walkways, so I had a feeling you lot would give them a go!

    • @loganbaileysfunwithtrains606
      @loganbaileysfunwithtrains606 Před 3 měsíci +2

      This is just a test bed for any future upgrades to the class 70, it’s not being tested for any possible commercial use here.

  • @csx4402
    @csx4402 Před 3 měsíci

    I want one for my HO collection.

  • @alexhajnal107
    @alexhajnal107 Před 2 měsíci +1

    I'm guessing the UP units are providing a simulated load via their dynamic brakes?

  • @tristanbentz224
    @tristanbentz224 Před 2 měsíci

    Aren’t the fright liner locomotives built of Sd40-2 frames so they could work with the American units as they have the same frame

  • @El_Transportacoches_33
    @El_Transportacoches_33 Před 2 měsíci

    Starting at 2:34: Why do you only play the "High" tone of the horn? I know they use two tone horn in the UK.

    • @stephankoenig5481
      @stephankoenig5481  Před 2 měsíci

      It is likely that the horn only has one note. Its spends most of the time in storage.

  • @jackandrews3181
    @jackandrews3181 Před 2 měsíci

    that locomotive in the middle, GE 809 looks like it has a similar cab model or shape as the Irish Rail 071 Class locomotive, if you don't believe that, you can confirm that by looking up the IE 071 class loco in Bing or Google Images and you'll see that it and GE 809 have sort of the same or similar cab model or shape, especially if you take a look at their foward facing window layouts you can tell that GE 809 and IE 071 Class' cabs look similar to each other

    • @stephankoenig6113
      @stephankoenig6113 Před 2 měsíci

      They do look similar. Back when it was designed the us roads favored a 3 window design but soon found it was better for 2 large ones.

  • @KCSM_1200
    @KCSM_1200 Před 3 měsíci +3

    me encanto el video

  • @lawrencenienart6287
    @lawrencenienart6287 Před 2 měsíci

    Did this locomotive have a GE prime mover, or was a different prime mover installed?

  • @TomedysTrains
    @TomedysTrains Před 2 měsíci +2

    That's so cool to see a Class 70 with North American-based GE diesel locomotives! I would hope that the Class 70 #70012 gets preserved someday and goes to a nearby railroad museum like the Lake Shore Railway Museum.

    • @kristoffermangila
      @kristoffermangila Před 2 měsíci

      Or better yet, modify it to pull passenger railcars and use it as an excursion engine!

  • @squeaksvids5886
    @squeaksvids5886 Před 2 měsíci

    I used to think the Class 70 was big!

  • @elijahstevenson2546
    @elijahstevenson2546 Před 3 měsíci +2

    How's the British locomotive coupled up to the american diesels? The British engine has screw-link Couplings while the American diesels have Knuckle coupler.

    • @elijahstevenson2546
      @elijahstevenson2546 Před 3 měsíci +4

      0:35 Never mind, I could see now. The American gray and red Diesel has buffers and screw-link Couplings at the back.

    • @charlesburgoyne-probyn6044
      @charlesburgoyne-probyn6044 Před 3 měsíci +1

      Also the British and European draught centre is 3'6 " and the American 2' 9" in addition to different types of coupler

  • @nzsaltflatsracer8054
    @nzsaltflatsracer8054 Před 2 měsíci

    It needs to get an adult size horn!

  • @lutomson3496
    @lutomson3496 Před 2 měsíci

    Is bigger better? Never saw the quantification and qualification results including operating performance specs on whether smaller can perform

    • @squelchedotter
      @squelchedotter Před 2 měsíci

      The main reason they're bigger is for crash safety. US regulations require special exemptions for crash energy management aka "crumple zones". These are pretty standard in the rest of the world because of high speed trains, but not in the US. In terms of power and so on there's not really a huge difference.

  • @slammer7625
    @slammer7625 Před 3 měsíci +1

    So the freightliner loco is just pulling the other locos ? The other locos are not putting out any power ? Correct ?

    • @desw9146
      @desw9146 Před 3 měsíci +6

      Yes, in fact it seems the UP engines had their dynamic brakes set, to increase the effective load that 70012 was hauling.

    • @slammer7625
      @slammer7625 Před 3 měsíci +1

      Thank you.

  • @charliesand573
    @charliesand573 Před 2 měsíci

    POV: you've discovered how to build custom consists in Train Simulator.

  • @mr.sir.
    @mr.sir. Před 3 měsíci

    The GE triclops rides again