WHAT DID HE JUST SAY???!!! WE FINALLY KNOW VEGETA'S PLAN TO UNLOCK ULTRA EGO 2!!! DBS SPECULATION
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VEGETA TESTED GOHAN???!!! VEGETA'S HIDDEN TEST AGAINST BEAST GOHAN IN THE DRAGON BALL SUPER MANGA
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from the intro you gave im hyped to watch this video
So maybe if Vegeta gets a new Ultra Ego form it could be a Mastered Ultra Ego form similar to MUI?
@@lordhades598 basically yea now it is true that vegeta has destruction power yet he needs to master his power like goku mastering UI even though they have taken different paths to power and yet both forms are respected by angels and destroyers knowing how devastating those forms truly are .
The problem I have with Vegeta's statement about them all being in the same ballpark of power, but Vegeta and Goku just use their power recklessly is *Broly does the exact same thing! Are we to assume that while Broly was raging out in his movie, that on the inside, he was conserving his power and using it effectively on a subconscious level?!*
@@sephiroth2776 I don't see how anyone can think that Broly had better control over his power in that movie. The dude was on a rampage.
This isn't a new thesis, Whis told them this almost word for word several times.
Right
Your complaining about vegeta cause you know he’ll be strong you don’t care all you care about is Gohan
@@fred5842 Are you a bot? that response doesn't match anything,
@@fred5842 This has nothing to do with disliking Vegeta. Are you acoustic?
@@Sg190th Acoustic?????? Hhahhahashahsahs
Most of all I just love how they're giving Vegeta more to his development arc. Now instead of just admitting Goku was at one point stronger than himself (like at the end of the Buu saga), he's straight up embracing the knowledge of his own inferiority and using the chance he has to train with literal gods to help him achieve ever greater levels of mastery. More than just letting his pride and rage fuel him, he's finally allowing himself to actually LEARN and become a true master. Hail Vegeta, King of the Saiyans!
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He's not inferior to Goku anymore, though. He won their latest fight and became the strongest in canon a bit ago during the Cell Max arc.
Hit it on the nail !
@@danjoy2he will always be winning a cute sparring much doesn’t change that. It’s how you perform when it actually matters
@@danjoy2you do realize that that fight was literally only created to make fun of people like you lol
Vegeta deserves to be the strongest, at least for a while.
💯💯💯 at least a whole arc
He's usually the strongest up until the end of the final battle. Even right now, he's probably the strongest by a pretty large margin.
@@hotsauceproteinshake omg vegetards no beast gohan can easily one shot ultra ego
@@sirvuxarts3999no he can’t he’s durability is too crazy
@@nbl_justin3235 his durability isnt crazy at all wtf u talking
Sounds like they are learning how to use ssj1 again.
Ultra Ego Sign!
its weird that goku would say that to vegeta because during the cell arc goku saw that waste of energy. That is why they remained is super Saiyan for long periods to master it without energy excess. seems like the authors overlooked this time period.
Goku must have forgot it when he was dead for 7 years when he was training with that spectral body, which is why Goku came up with the worst ki guzzling transformation, SSJ3.
@@oflameo8927 All these year Goku still haven't Master SSJ3
@@jahmoymignott4081 well gt goku needed a tail to master ssj3.
@@Woomy778 I know that but super Goku doesn't try considering that the one form till this day he still can't use properly
@@jahmoymignott4081 There's no need to use it properly, the form is weaker in every way to SSJG and also doesn't have stamina and healing hax
what happened to Vegeta's ki control from Yardrat? He kicked the crap out of that guy who was like Zarbon. I feel like they forgot about that power up.
Whis told vegeta early on what he needs to do in order to improve.
"You have a chip on your shoulder and it slows you down because you're wound up too much. You need to relax more like goku. "
During his fight against granolah,
He's still worried about how he acted in the past, and he acknowledged he isnt ready for the power of ultra ego. He knows he needs a new mindset and needs to lock in to his fights.
He shouldve learned from goku when he mastered ui in the top.
He needs to focus on the positive feelings he has during battle, focus on the present.
So hes on the right track by meditating and using ue at any opportunity. Ue we have seen is def incomplete.
I still don’t understand how fans aren’t realizing that it’s not about who’s strongest anymore. It’s about each character finding a niche that allows them to be effective in ways that pure strength cant do. They literally make it a point in the writing to say that they’ve physically trained almost as much as they possibly can and that future improvement relies on energy control and technique over everything.
Then again, you seem to think Goku didn’t understand what meditating is lol. He knows what it is, he was wondering why he was doing it instead of training. They fixed it because people don’t seem to be able to understand Goku as a character. I bet you also think he doesn’t know what a kiss is rather than being confused that mouth to mouth CPR is very different from a kiss and wondering wtf was happening.
Vegeta eats the beast kick in UE, turns full power UE, turns the tables on beast
Freiza spent so long in Hell Meditating as well
Big facts
Hell Yeah Black Scape! This is awesome! Vegeta is thinking things out!
My prediction is Vegeta will win his final battle with Goku in the end. How many times does one have to be knocked down in order to learn from their mistakes. I have nothing against Goku. He is just as a favorite character of mine as Vegeta. I am just always for the underdog being one myself. Watching Tonami on Cartoon Network and seeing Dragon Ball and Dragon Ball Z for the first time, it was my first anime I had ever gotten into. I am anime for life!! Just from watching... Vegeta's Growth and development. Same with Goku, it is not good to not focus on your opponent. Cannot forget how good Goku is! He is the best! But Goku and Vegeta back in Z were top tier! Gohan too! Vegeta is likely gonna be the most skilled at God of Destruction powers. That Ultra Ego. But he needs to verse Beerus who still is king. Of course, this is my opinion which don't amount to much. But... just from what I am seeing... Goku better get on it. Seen what Gohan did with beast. And he will. I sense something big coming for Goku soon. Vegeta has been watching Goku more than anyone. He's always watching and observing Goku. Seeing his strong points, weak points... now Vegeta sees his own. Before Vegeta was full of himself to the point he'd lose so many times... ALL THE TIME... I am very interested where this goes. But it needs to be done right... no perfect. But regardless of who wins...that final fight is gonna probably be the best in all of dragon ball. Who will win?
But to be fair...
I love the martial artist and fighter Goku has become.
I love the martial artist and fighter Vegeta is becoming. I kind of think Vegeta is just starting to go down that martial artist path back in Moro?? Tournament of Power?? Right on there...
It just shows how we are all different. Its boring to be the same.
Same with Gohan, he is awesome and with that power and gaining more experience i can't wait to see where he goes with beast. I am not sure what chi chi is gonna think of her son with beast? She was calling him monster before. Now he's the real thing. To me, you can study hard like that and train. In fact, doing the two simultaneously will make Gohan do even better in school. I know that from my own experience.
I hope they set up Goten and Trunks with different forms as well. They are great as a team, but I want to see them become their own unique fighters with different powers.
This is why I love Dragon Ball, it can go so many different directions. To wrap this up, Vegeta... Ultra Ego... I saw him heal. Does he have healing powers with Ego? Or was that just because he transformed into it for the first time? Anyone see what I saw in the manga or am I seeing things? Thank you for the great content Black Scape! You're one of my favorite CZcamsrs! I look forward to your next video!
Its all irrelevant he unlocks that goku unlocks this Gohan than gives them both the finger and unlocks something else at this point there is no more further arguments for goku or Vegeta because at this point now that Akira is gone all hell will Break loose
alot of the future chapters were allready planned, we havent reached the end yet, but i agree, who knows what toyotaro will do i highly doubt he will surpass akira but maybe he gets a senkai boost or something and tries way harder then before now. who knows
You’ve gotta point🥂
Vegeta comes to that conclusion but whis has been telling them that all along. About being relaxed, about not leaking energy about burning thru their power, stamina and the body's resulting speed and power, ultra instinct, instantaneous combat.
You know the old saying, you can always tell a saiyan, but you can't tell them much
6:34 Like I've said before in previous comments I don't think vegeta has gotten to the point he can use UE passively, Vegeta has allowed opponents to hit him before and theyve drew blood like against 19, Semi-perfect Cell, etc. this isn't a new thing. Besides that one part overall the speculation is fine, I mean vegeta outright states what he's focusing on in the future but whether or not he somehow fuses Forced spirit fission into another form is up in the air to me at least. #EndofVideoSquad
Yes he can use it passively dum as he just stated it kid your writing false questions that don’t even answer the real questions get medical help and no one gives a sh about you saying oh I don’t think vegeta is not going to use it “Passively” Yes he’s getting there dum as get don’t comment I’ll violet tf outta you for making false statements
I remember this, but was interested why it wasn’t followed up on. It’s a valuable skill for him to have that also sets him apart. He hasn’t used the techniques he learned since. Vegeta’s right
You telling me if Vegeta was an android that he'd practically be impossible to fight seeing as androids technically have unlimited energy. So if Vegeta chooses to bottle up all his ki and only uses a small portion of it he'll practically become invincible due to the reserved ki energy built. Imagine Vegeta with an extension that he can pull his ki energy from whenever he wants, Kind like a Ki Catalyst. Vegeta is a bloody powerhouse.
before the tournament of power there was a scene of Jiren meditating when topo and the general were talking
Perfect Ultra Ego Vegeta
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If vegeta is going ultra 2, im curious if goku is going to get his tail back like that one fan made comic someone made lol
Now you on to something
How would he get it back tho? I dont see how they can get them back without bs science from bulma
Unless they like find old saiyan technology somehow
@@TheKing_Sam probs goku realize his training isn't up to date, and thinking back to when whis magically made Bulla appear when bulma was pregnant, I figure he'd ask to get closer to his roots to figure out what kind of person he was, what he could be, and what he needs to do. He would focus his angel training with Whis, who shows him all that he can to guide him on his path before one day wishing for whis to give him his tail back to train.
He may also ask vegeta in this about what he, raditzs, and nappa said about there tails which then guides him on a mini journy to train with his tail back and fully understand himself, understand his roots, understands the power he's chasing which leads him to reach a state probably close to the same as whis or even better such as becoming a student of the grand priest to reach a higher understanding of everything around him and how his power effects it.
There's like multiple ways they can approach this, this is one the fan manga took and it seems pretty neat.
But yes, From Whis, Dragonballs, Bulma, or even by some mystical bs he finds the remains of planet vegeta during the battle with black freiza which allows him to gain his tail back for a momentary power bus causing his UI to not work properly but due to the advanced regulation of his power due to his tail he can probably just jump closer to Free's power level.
Like a bunch of ways it could work out if they're gonna make Vegeta become a evolved sayin with his way of thinking and UE, and since Goku is becoming a angel, a way for him to get closer to his roots and understand his species better then probably what vegeta could tell him could allow for him to gain a tail in the future- or something which causes the other sayins to do the same.
But with Gt being end of Z and kinda non cannon idk how it will work tbh. hope my ramblings made sense tho
Ultra Ego 2 Vegeta looks like Super Saiyan 3 Goku. 😄
Vegeta learned a hard lesson on Yardrat about the importance of honing his spirit and his mind. It payed major dividends to do so.
He’s finally learned what Goku has known since dragon ball
This is literally the training that Mr Popo gave goku when he first got to Jami's lookout
Battle soul doesn't mean damage taken, its his fighter spirit, me being a Martial Artist that practices full contact sparring understands this on another level I guess only other ppl who have it can vouch for what i'm saying, its very hard to describe this feeling.
they need to give vegeta goku treatment i hope his new form is only omen not perfected like white hair goku id like to see him get a full hakaishin form like toppo or something and in the fan art i kinda liked the idea of him goin black hair with red flames as omen then go purple form but i guess they like dropping the dragon balls
🔥🔥🔥
That’s cool.
Seems like Evil Saiyan Turkes or Black Goku full power (ssj rose 3)
Dude this transformation shit is getting fucking ridiculous😂😂😂
Hoping this is all a prelude to Vegeta becoming the next GoD. He's perfect for it, and would actually be a satisfying conclusion to his story imo
Hey bro, did you also realize that on Planet Yardrat it was kI control that vegeta learns for that was there who studies in basis of Life. So he is now seeing life from that respect.
Sayians are a warrior race, more so than any other race. And Goku made the revelation of control as early as the cell games…
Spirit fission with UE might be good get that moro effect keeping a fresh supply of energy for himself and doing the mastered blue ki control will make him crazy strong
That ssj3 ultra ego form looks dope asf bro… and wit purple hair yeah Vegeta deserves that bad ass transformation
i really want vegeta to grow long beautiful hair like super saiyan 3 goku i wonder if bulma is into long haired men
Same here or at the very least a ss4 style
Bro that hair in purple for ultra ego would be firee would look cool asf
Also she fw yamcha when his hair was long maybe she do👀
@@TheKing_Sam shit if she sees vegeta with long beautiful hair, they gok have a 3rd child lol
@@ampocalypsew3883 😂 fr tho
if frieza is moving in and out of black form, it means that the form is actually a variation of kaioken, and is very taxing on his ki. This means that if a fighter can keep fighting him for a longer period (more than a few seconds) he will not be able to use it anymore and loose the fight. Taking this into consideration, it means, that if Vegeta could be able to withstand frieza's attacks for long enough, he could be able to beat him
I don't buy that Frieza is no fool he knew his golden form had a weakness when he was told that you don't think he would have calculated that maybe his black woman have a weakness too and not trained to get that weakness removed
So Vegeta is Learning Ki Efficiency... That's useful. I would say that he should still hold on to his bravado so he can taunt foes into attacking him to maintain His ki output
You didn't mention anything about ki control allowing them to use SSJ3, let alone SSJ3.
Also, if Goten and Trunks do that, they could use SSJ3 or SSJBlue2 consistently.
all ssj's 1 - 3 be saving time to from creating a new unique form
Him going ssj3 in super ego, is pretty fitting cause he loses his eyebrows anyway like ssj3
I always thought goku in ssj3 looked so stupid without eyebrows but vegeta looks so cool haha 😂
Would be a cool transformation is it was ssj3 + ssj4 but more rabbid like kind of look like he want to tear stuff apart but are still in control
This would honestly be the perfect time to bring in SS4 but a new version
Vegeta is about to become one of the strongest characters in dragon ball super forced spirit Fission plus the power of destruction Vegeta gonna be broken as Hell.
So what was the point of him going to yargrad? For Spirit control
Vegeta gets his shine now that Akira is dead
I wish they would get their tails back…..
NGL blackscape that's a really good idea for Vegeta going forward but We should all know by now, the writers never put real thoughts into these characters. No matter how intriguing we conjure up these ideas, it's replaced by yet another plot-armor transformation for GOKU.
What if Saiyans can transmute their emotions to give them different forms. All spirit will give you a Goku type build and all ego will give you a vegeta type build.
Then you’ve god the other emotions going on mixed with meditation and biology. So many factors. But there’s gotta be a way to understand why some transformations have the tie to a persons will.
4:54 you explained it just by reading it.
Thanks man 🔥🫡😂
If Vegeta goes back to Yardrat and learns instantaneous healing, that will be the buff to Ultra Ego that he'll need to become the strongest ever.
Completed Ultra Ego when?!
Are these cannon and real manga pannels
Forced spirit fission is the argument I've been using for a while now to tell people that it might be a debate on if Goku can defeat Superman but Vegeta using this should have no problem taking a W over the man of steal...right? Or am I tripping
1st lol love you man
this ability will make him a total of 2% more effective
Isn’t calmness and control the reason why ultra instinct doesn’t suit vegeta initially. If Vegeta can mature is mindset past that mental block, then he should be able to get UI too. Imagine switching between UI and UE for defense and offense.
Ah so many way this can go. If he has perfected blue to test it against beast then he is absolutely laying the groundwork down to advance an existing technique. Its interesting you use a drawing of him in ssj3. The only ssj for he hasnt used. There is no doubt he can acess that form. But we know that for is the worst for Ki Drain. So.. Fission+ue+ssj3= Vegeta's new form assumably
It sounds a lot like Dragon ball Kakumei’s Super Sayian zero
So is the monga back
I Think MUE will happen soon , Like Master SSJ/SSBlue
Goku was planning to stack super Saiyan on top of MUI
@@kerryprice1414 Super ultra
He will be stronger for a lil bit as always till every one surpass him again😅😅
Vegeta got ultra instinct and Goku got ultra ego. That was whis want.
I agree its possible he might go Dark Vader just to find the power to destroy Frieza
I think Vegeta had the right idea or concept in the Broly movie.
I don't know how he does it. Turning around 10 pages into a whole 10 minute video. He's just too good. He's over 9k!
says ultra ego 2 but pulls up a png with the super saiyan 3 transformation on ue vegeta...I just don't get it bro
Sure he’ll become the strongest.But for how long?
Toyotaro!!!
They changed what goku said about meditation in DBS SH but then he said "it means you just gotta train your body more right?" Which it makes it the same or even worse 💀💀💀
Also, HOW GOKU DOESNT KNOW WHAT VEGETA SAID??? HE LITERALLY USES ULTRA INSTINCT WHICH IS THE SAME SHIT AS WHAT VEGETA SAID ☠️☠️☠️
@@FaultehBoi character assassination lol goku literally applied the exact same principal vegeta talks about to mastering ssj and learned this shit training with popo all the way in og dragonball
@@garretthileman1153 this character assessination was only in DBS super hero arc. Overall other DBS arcs were just fine and follow the character well.
@@FaultehBoiso is this video cannon, I thought this was dragon ball super?
@@kerryprice1414 dbs manga and anime are canon but 2 different stories. Sadly, anime has it better in sagas and mui introduction
If they put more time into ssj3 we might have got the same thing back in Z
DBS version of broly is the yamcha of the saiyans always left behind in power and skills
we dont wanna see a super saiyan 3 ultra ego vegeta
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Vegeta sounds like trump in this vid
So... I just realized something....
The Wish to be the most powerful in the universe implies a few things....
1. Whis
2. Beerus
3. Broly (LSSJ)
--. Gogeta (SSJB)
4. Vegeta (SSJB)
5. Goku (SSJB)
6. Freeza (Gold)
7. Gohan (Ultimate)
....
Freeza was said to be in another universe at the time... but even without that, there are only 2 options. Granolah is either more powerful than Whis or LSSJ Broly... and while pushed to the limits Goku and Vegeta never fuse to Gogeta, implying that the power difference between the 3 is far less than it was before.... or something else is happening.
And this "something else" is hinted at throughout Super and what the direction of Super is supposed to be with Power Scaling.
But first, let's look at the possibility Granolah is more powerful than Whis, or Beerus, or Broly... does it matter? Is there anything of note that says that it does other than them directly saying it does? Whis doesn't fight back and LSSJ Broly is more or less on the same level as Beerus we're lead to believe. We've also seen the difference that UI and UE make. Roshi vs Jiren. Roshi is known to have a low Battle Power, no matter how you position it, whether you say he's the same low level turtle hermit or if you say he's kept up with the other Z Warriors, we know that Roshi, compared to Jiren, is nothing in that aspect, but with UI the match up is on par with what we see with Goku vs Jiren at first.
This means that Whis potentially has a weaker Battle Power than Beerus. Which essentially puts our top 4 beings as roughly equivalent. And that means that Granolah, Gas, and Freeza are all more powerful than those 4 and Goku and Vegeta are roughly equivalent together pushed to their extreme limits.
So why does any of this matter?
Well, because of the things that were brought up in the video and some things left out...
Goku and Vegeta already have reached their output potential which higher than Beerus, Whis, and maybe Freeze (We don't know how he works really)...
The story we have seen is not about transforming and gaining more power, although that is a possibility still, it's about mastering form, technique, and control... and on another level... Mastering one's self. The Granolah and Gas arc was Goku learning to have faith in his power, which he has always feared. Remember he killed his father figure and only learned about it much later. He then learned his true heritage was that of an evil race of mass murdering psychopaths... and his greatest power came from losing control of himself... which he did multiple times. Goku, at the end of the day, is a very vengeful character, and likely has a lot of psychological trauma which stems from who he is biologically... ie... in his body, and yet this is the very thing he has to trust. This why it's also easier for him to just suppress his power and master it... Because he has had to from the very beginning.
Vegeta on the other hand has always trusted himself. He's always been one of the top warriors in the universe with power to spare and he's never needed to hide it until he found out that it was a sound tactic... And then his next step was just forcing his power out... and so he tried to do it again with the next level, but it didn't work. In the end, it was easier for him to let go and give control over to someone else, than it was for him to master and control himself.
Both Vegeta and Goku have inverted paths and what their following and I think Whis and Beerus know this. Beerus has said, "Before Creation there is Destruction" which rings true for Vegeta, because at every point in his life... There was Destruction... which lead to him or his people creating something new and better. That's right. Vegeta is thematically a CREATIVE entity. Goku, reverse that paradigm, accidentally, but still, it is the case. First his life was peaceful and then someone or something came to destroy it and he is left to deal with the aftermath or destroy it in return. Heck, even the Tournament of Power can be seen in this. Goku wants to have some fun and it is turned on its head and used to justify destroying the universes... while Vegeta, having created a new home, and even allies in another universe, has to throw it away in hopes of something better coming out of the rubble. He likes a fight, but he clearly hates the destruction that he is being forced to deal with.
This journey is what we're seeing Super... Goku coming to trust himself, Vegetal learning that destruction is a necessary evil, Gohan learning to accept Geek-Rage Monster balance, Broly learning to harness the Beast inside. Trunks learning to get laid...
Anyways... this is all to say, that SSJB... the reason we've been having a hard time nailing it down and Goku hasn't surpassed Beerus is simple... He has. SSJB's power is the same as SSJ's power and we are just seeing a decompressed version of what happened in the Cell Saga... SSJ Mastered is far more powerful than SSJ... for the self same reason that SSJB Mastered is much more powerful than SSJB, but the power that is in SSJ/B Mastered is there with regular SSJ/B. It's just leaking out and such.
That means that Battle Powers for all of those character are all the same... and like Goku vs Beast Gohan... the reason Goku can fight back is because of experience, not Battle Power... just like Roshi could take on Jiren because of experience, not Battle Power.
Oh... also...
SSJ is transformation
SSJG is not
UI and UE are not
Ultimate is not
Beast is
SSJ God (Divinity) is not a Transformation its a Transcendence. This basically is a material transformation where in the body, mind, and soul becomes made of divine materials, rather than normal ones.
SSJ is a Transformation, which changes the body, mind, and soul, altering it and in DB terms it means the stats are enhanced, suppressed, or altered in some way, usually altering the balance between them.
UI/UE is a Form... or better explained as an approach to combat. It is similar to the idea of Crane style vs Tiger style vs Snake style. It is not a transformation, but does have benefits which resemble what DB calls styles, because your reactions and general behavior takes on a different texture which leads you be power focused or more dodge focused or whatever.
Kaioken is a Technique... as is Kamehame Ha. It's an ability or skill that is learned. It is a one shot thing for the most part and anyone can learn them
Why bring this up? Obvious SSJ B is just SSJ, but it's being applied to the God Body which is a different thing than their normal body. We've already seen this concept in the Buu Saga. Goku is able to use SSJ3 because the Spirit Body is different than the Mortal Body. That means there is a different mastery that is needed for a different type of body, and not to mention, the power output is just too different so it takes time for them to bring it in line...
And lastly, we also see that the different in how much rest and relaxation you get makes difference.... Gohan likely ran around for 20 years unable to break through SSJ2, barely getting to SSJ grade 2 levels of power. Similarly Future Trunks had the same issue. Meanwhile 4 years of training was enough to push Gohan to SSJ2.
So... there is no UE2 or UI2 or whatever you want to call it. There is however SSJ2. There's Oozaru. There's Kaioken. and there is the true mastering of their paths which should put them on grounds equal to or greater than Whis and Beerus in ability to win, not Battle Power, because I'm pretty sure they've surpassed them in that aspect...
Hypothetically... SSJB2 is a possibility as is SSJB3... And GT explored multi-transformations which was Oozaru to SSJ to SSJ4 or something like that. The reason is obvious as to why they don't use them... because it has been said multiple times. They are stamina sinks. which needs to be built up into... and it can be argued that SSJ2, 3, etc are not different "transformations" so much as different levels of mastery of a single transformation. which becomes accessible as you gain mastery of lower levels... ie SSJ3 has low stamina relative to other forms because the relative mastery of Mastered SSJ to SSJ2 is a different jump compared to SSJ2 to SSJ3 and the Mastered forms of SSJ2 just weren't ever explored that could lower the stamina drain.
Also... SSJG + SSJ3 + UI/UE + Kaioken Gogeta is technically the most powerful form Goku and Vegeta could possibly access right now and it would stomp anyone with Battle Power Alone. We just haven't seen it used and there is no reason for why its not beyond just the whole, not wanting to obliterate everything and risk self anhelation.
Just thought I'd point out that current Power rankings for Universe 7 are probably the following...
1. Whis
2. Beerus
3 or 4. Freeza
3 or 4. Cell Max
5 or 8. Beast Gohan
5 or 6. Gas
6 or 7. Granolah
8 or 9. LSSJ Broly
9. SSJB Vegeta
10. SSJB Goku
11. Orange Piccolo
This is likely how it is in most peoples' minds... Or something similar. However, it's still debatable because Goku can output higher Ki than Vegeta, but Vegeta is stronger than Goku.
Gohan is above Goku is pure power output, enough so that he's able to essentially nullify UI which allowed Goku to go head to head against Gas. This implies that Gohan, still at a non-serious level, has a lot more power to push and meets and surpasses that... but in the battle against Cell Max we see that he is not able to take Cell Max alone.
Freeza has a debatable position because everyone in the fight was exhausted, but he also used his base form to one shot those exhausted, but still powered up forms. So it's hard to really judge him... He could be where I put him, or he could be under Goku still.
And I've already talked about Whis and Beerus... technically they're probably beneath Goku in raw power at the moment.
Really? I figured you'd say Vegeta was going to learn the hack of stealing Ki while fighting his opponents, this way he doesnt even need to tank damage for ultra ego and he can basically convert kinetic energy in real time during fights making him untouchable and increase his power at the same time.
But doesn’t this imply that ssj3 could become a more practical transformation
i'm neither a vegeta or goku fanboy.. all i'm saying is this. goku always finds a way when times are tough... vegeta always works harder than anyone and reach the same. both are equally good and victory one day does not matter as victory another day for someone else might always happen.
My theory is vegetas ultra ego form isn't complete. He will just learn to complete it
So in other words, the transformations themselves are the problem. Canonically they state that SSJ, 2, and especially 3 are insanely stamina draining and so much power is lost in the transformation. Goku and subsequently Gohan learned how to reduce that stamina drain by perfecting SSJ 1 so that it feels natural but it still does consume a lot of energy to transform but at the benefit of the power multiplier. Personally i think this is what Whis is attempting to tell both Goku and Vegeta, that they need to learn how to tap into that power without undergoing a transformation.
Oh b******* super Saiyan 2 does not drain a lot of energy because Gohan didn't lose any energy when you power back up to super Saiyan to a second time and sell saga and super Saiyan 1 energy train was removed after a cell saga they mastered that s*** it's just the writers forgot that cuz clearly Gohan didn't lose any static no one going super Saiyan 2 a second time or the others would have said so
This is obviously clickbaits but I need to hear a db theory
The more transformations makes the show kinda wack like they need to keep the current transformations an focus more on mastery of each transformation
Oh come one ! ii thought they would drop the "transformation 1 2 3" bullshit. It's aleady godly form... Where is my sequel with Trunk and Goten doing shit together ? 😢
You put Vegeta training Goten and Goku training Trunk (like Goten getting an inferiority clompex over Trunk for always being weaker) and they both going to space like in GT (but not too much).
Sayadin 3 ego
God bless you all. I hope you had a good day today, regardless of what you're going through today God's got your back he loves you so much that he sent his only son to die for you so that you could be redeemed.
Where is merus….
Dude barely used ultra ego itself why tf would he use ultra ego 2 I’m sick of your click baits
If this the route they going then they gotta give us ultra ego 3 after that and of course ultra instinct 2 and ultra instinct 3 which ofc should resemble ssj5 for goku in dragon ball af
Vegeta's time is coming thats y they brought back Frieza. Vegeta's gonna beat frieza but the drama will come when i believe that Vegeta's gonna end up not killing frieza hes gonna pull a goku!
Nah not his style. He is still a killer just a controlled one.
Eh, bringing back Frizea wasn't needed. We're just getting rehashes of the older arcs in Dbz.
Vegeta will be the strongest for a chapter or two but Goku will end up stronger and ultimately Gohan will ne the strongest along with broly. And if the angels are stronger than the God's who yoi think the strongest is? Like come on journey to the west is the story of Goku not Vegeta. Glad my daughter sleep because she likes Vegeta 😂😂😅
Thank you bro for the vegeta facts cause im sick of the hype of gohan my guy is learning beyond the others
Wtf? 💀
Lol clickbait image of Vegeta SSJ3 in Ultra Ego. Lol weak. Maybe next time get some actual pictures.
Backwards ass writing. After Goku switched bodies with Ginyu he explained his mind and body and spirit must be in sync to use his power. Super is in circles here.
A whole bunch of nothing
I hope ssj4 hair blood red violet with no eyebrows
Will be his final ultra ego....
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It makes me sick to watch this as a whole not your video Vegeta knows so much more than Goku and has more common sense but he falls behind it's like being a CEO and the manager at Burger King makes more than you
We dont know crap these are theories
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