Why Is Breach So OVERRATED & More! VCT Meta Stats Part 2
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Bring back nerdge TMV for this.
Metastats: *release*
TMV: *shits on breach*
It's a universal constant now
Death, Taxes and TMV shitting on Breach
Imagine out 1230 games nobody not even 1 team chose Iso. Not even Chinese teams wouldn't touch him even if he's Chinese himself.
idk what they were thinking when they made hes not even fun to play
It's funny cos the Iso ult lost Rare Atom the final map of the ascensions grand final and since then he's not been picked by a Chinese team
i wonder if any of the analysts on the t1 teams watch these videos, the stats are really well organised!
hi Alecks
I know some brazilian teams watch him, he got offered a position as an analyst on the previous loud roster under fRoD if Im correct. Apart from that, I know for certain that sean “seangares” gares, previously head coach of a hundred “100T” thieves, watched him during his time as head coach.
@@DualityofLife i think you meant Sean "sgares" gares
Breach ult needs to go back to 7/8 orbs or they need to buff his stun by making it wider or have a faster recharge
I think Omen is not to strong Astra is just weak
Honestly I agree I think omens kit is solid while the rest of the controller has like one solid ability
@@kazeemsultan4405 same with omen, he wont have this pick rate if it wasnt for Paranoia
It's not omen strong but the fact his smoke can recharge what makes teams play him more than other controllers along with viper, and Astra after the cooldown nerf and gravity well nerf her playability is sucks especially with 4 stars
omen definetely is much stronger than the other controllers. He has rechargable smoke, access to one way smoke, solid anchor with paranoia, and even can tp away from a risk spot.
especially in this map pool rotation where global smokes arent that important
not to ask for more stats, but it’d be interesting to see the most popular / successful two-agent pairings to see if there is a difference between skye-solo on split or double initiator skye on split
It is so sad to see Split leave the map rotation even when it had plenty of variation with compositions (such as the Sen or KC comp). I also like when TMV split his cheeks on camera
It had variations but the pros hated it. It was the most banned map in regional phase 1 play.
@gaspara9817 youd think they would hate icebox more.
@@MuttonErase Shockingly Icebox was the second most played map in regional phase 1. Edging out Bind by 1 to take a distant second behind Lotus.
@@MuttonErasewhy would they hate icebox more?
@DrLifeGamer cuz even with the changes made its still a dull map. The changes just made it harder to defend mid and b main. You still cant hold either site. So it's just plant denial and retake after retake after retake
Can you try adjusting the overall pick rates for map picks as well? Or is that not significant
Bring back nerdy TMV
Astra does need some small buffs. I think you could also make omen’s smokes travel slower potentially to further differentiate him from brim and give him a slight nerf. I feel like that paired with astra buffs might help the meta
Please buff my astra rito games
We need her 5th star back
rito games
Since Shanghai is on the new patch, it will definitely be interesting to see if Viper’s winrates will stay this high.
Either way, these stats are ridiculous and she’s definitely deserving of the additional nerf she’s getting next act.
I honestly feel like if omen gets nerfed it's gna be only having one tp to "make his tps more tactical", a bit like jett's updraft nerf, or range of tps are less. I dont see a world where his smokes get nerfed and I don't know how they could nerf the paranoia, unless they make the blind time even shorter than it already is.
I would just nerf the range just cause Astra is meant to be the universal smoker and OMen can basically smoke accross the map for most of them.
Whatever they do I really wish his ult got buffed to ult status, with nerfs elsewhere. If Riot wanted to show me the middle finger, they'd just remove Omen's ult saying it's a light nerf. Because it would simply be, a light nerf lmao
Paranoia distance reduced by 25% and maybe width too.
they could revert the smoke speed back to 2000, it'd make smoking from across the map a little less viable as teams would've more time to push through the choke before the smoke comes down
Thinking Man's Valorant, Your videos are fantastic! I just had to subscribe!
I think you're right about breach. Not only was (is?) viper better, but they're frequently competing for that fifth flex spot like on split, sunset, haven, etc. and breach is particularly bad against a viper in the server.
Omen, idk man, maybe a small nerf but surely the other controllers should be closer to omen and not the other way around. Omen feels like the yard stick for game balance on controllers
Breach needs 3 flashes again
No man breach does not need that
Buff his stun
Where do you get these stats from? I was curious about the Breach stats and what I found was wildly different (particularly the sunset stats)
21 Wins + 16 Losses is what I found looking at all non-mirror games for stage 1 of EMEA, AMERICAS, PACIFIC and CHINA (China went 0/7 btw)
lotus neon has to be meta soon right?
right?
TMV: Don’t pick these agents on these maps
Paper Rex/FPX: We’re gonna pretend we didn’t hear that
FUT vs FPX on louts is going to be crazzy.
triple controller vs no initiator
no sentinal vs double sentinal sage comp
Why does it say sova's winrate at 8:08 is 40%? If the NM win rate is 21/31 shouldnt it be 68%?
Is the real winrate 40% or 68%
How would you personally approach an Omen nerf?
Anything I can think of has always felt like it would be *too* detrimental to his performance other than ability price increases. Paranoia is probably the only ability you could tweak without killing him.
Astra is a competitor to Omen for having global smoke but she has a clear limitation to it, its stars. Astra in general fulfills the role of map controller better on paper, but Omen meets the needs better with smokes that return and one of the best abilities in the game, her paranoia. I have ideas for the competition to be clearer between them.
Astra: 5 stars - the nerf she received was nerfed in all aspects, her stars all recharged together without the need to wait for one and then the others, that was the most stolen thing about her, not the 5 stars, since she only has 4 skills could not use the remaining.
Omen: 40 or 35 seconds of cooldown on your smoke - Omen has global smoke that regenerates, two important aspects and is still better than Astra for regenerating smoke and better than Clove for not having area limitations. His smokes are the most versatile, capable of going one way across the entire map, and his paranoia would not be messed with.
The fact omen has two TPS two rechargeable one way smokes and the best flash in the game is crazy. Astra is worse is every way besides range
I honestly would only nerf Omen's range- nothing else. Astra is meant to be the global controller, and for almost all the maps, Omen has the same range. Astra and Harbor (and I guess Clove) could use buffs more but Omen def needs a slight nerf.
i think clove needs some time to simmer. i just don’t think anybody in pro play is choosing her yet because A. omen and viper are already so strong B. She plays somewhat similarly to brim but, this ties in with C. in the middle of the season there’s more risk in trying to learn a new agent than play one you already know works.
In the future I could see clove being chosen as alternative to brim on some maps like Bind, or as a solid secondary controller. I mean even if a team wants to run a no duelist comp she might be a good pick because she can serve that role at times
TLDR people are being too harsh let the season end and things settle in before changing Clove
Teams playing double duelists on Split, while Paper Rex player tripled duelists that one time in madrid
For the viper vs breach imagine if breach could pop his flashes on smokes, would an interesting way to counter viper maybe
Wouldn't be surprised if they like viper having a winning matchup util vs util. Kayo or Skye having stronger thru smokes flashes ( or phx/yoru )
Think viper design just way too strong, and breach's design is... Just as many flashes as anyone else, with a rechargable stun anyone can 1 tap thru anyway, and no Intel. Sounds gr8 with neon so maybe she'll bring him back
i think you did a mistake. harbor on the overall nm winrate list
The Sunset Sova NM pick rate math doesnt add up @7:52 21/31 is 68% which suggests sova is the better than kayo and even gekko in some cases then
Ok if Omen is that good say wich ability is that "op", thats right, none, at max you can call the flash good, Omen is good because of the way you smoke and because of his whole idea of being an agressive controller, so yeah Omen is really balanced tbh and definitly doesnt deserve any nerf, at max a really small one to the flash
the problem is when you nerf a character like that it makes it so you kinda mess with the fantasy with the character imo. like deadass look at jett thats not the same jett that was given tbh the dash and up draft was hit so hard over the years it just feels restrictive to play. if movement based abilities like raze C4 and jett dash are that strong just rework them at this point and dont even give duelist fast movement like that. but then again if you do that now even duelist is useless but yoru. you can already tell if you can zoom or boom your way into site your not that good of a duelist and if no one has that why can we just not pick up a duelist and try it for another smoke or even a scan or something cause then we can take those hard fights on our own
Why do I imagine that TMV could be a great weatherman for a news channel after watching this? xDDD
Been saying for 2 years that Astra should get her 5th star back. The cooldown changes back then were insane enough, on top of that the nerf to her suck last year, stuns being shit in general in this game, very short smoke times. The only reason to pick her over Omen is her Ult which is effective 2 maybe 3 times a half
Astra is a competitor to Omen for having global smoke but she has a clear limitation to it, its stars. Astra in general fulfills the role of map controller better on paper, but Omen meets the needs better with smokes that return and one of the best abilities in the game, her paranoia. I have ideas for the competition to be clearer between them.
Astra: 5 stars - the nerf she received was nerfed in all aspects, her stars all recharged together without the need to wait for one and then the others, that was the most stolen thing about her, not the 5 stars, since she only has 4 skills could not use the remaining.
Omen: 40 or 35 seconds of cooldown on your smoke - Omen has global smoke that regenerates, two important aspects and is still better than Astra for regenerating smoke and better than Clove for not having area limitations. His smokes are the most versatile, capable of going one way across the entire map, and his paranoia would not be messed with.
Most rounds don't use more than 3 smokes anyways. I think the agency Omen gets from his TPs combined with the unique one-ways and the strength of the paranoia are bigger contributing factors. Astra is generally much stronger in trap heavy comps w/Breach+KJ and smoking while lurking is much faster, but (due to the loose defaulty style of most T1 teams) Omen is just going to see more play. I think giving her a 5th star again might help her see more play, and wouldn't be too OP considering the suck nerfs.
wtf do you mean global smokes ? omen also has a max range for smokes, just like clove and brim. its just bigger. maybe the range of his smokes could be nerfed tho, thats a good idea
@@randommusicsearcheromen might as well have global smokes tbh; if you’re going to pick an agent because you want long range smokes, it’s still better to choose omen than astra basically, even though part of what is supposed to make astra special is that she has global smokes
@@randommusicsearcher practically on all maps yes, they are global
Initiator argument on sunset: i dont see sova being endgame. Sova's got the shit: breeze and icebox. I guess ascent too. Have fun there sova, we're playing the fun ones on sunset!
I know how powerful he is in both the game and the stats, but I’m scared for an Omen nerf. I’ll gladly take Astra buffs, but I have a feeling the problem is primarily Omen being strong, not Astra being weak, so that Omen nerf is probably guaranteed at some point.
Riot, please leave the teleports untouched, they’re my source of serotonin
If you are not PRX don't try their Lotus comp.
Omen nerf is a must imo, his smoke cooldown need to be longer just the fact he jad rechargeable smoke is already powerful enough to make him staple pick beside viper
Never give opinion ever again 🤓 it's all about his blind buddy not smokes
@vinayakchaudhary2502 not entirely, Omen also has the most flexibility when it comes to smoke placement out of all the controllers, which does also contribute massively to his success over the rest (other than Viper)
@@thesilvanalyst6880 that's his uniqueness nothing is broke or wrong with it
nah he's balanced they gotta buff other controllers if they wanna see his pick rate go down
@@medlegendplayz1082 what you talking about silver stuck, his blind is too OP and u can't even dodge it at some places💀
My winrate when I force brim on every map is higher than it is when I play the best agent on every map lmfao
I think your take on the split comp where change the skye over to the fade is absolutely terrible. There too many op sightline that the fade can't seem to be able to clear on ATK. On Defense limited scan that you can throw and most of which is easily breakable or they can hide the prowler give zero info as most of the time its just blind. Skye on the other hand can flash the oper off the angle, dog to clear most corner more easily as you can see with the Dog POV and the Ult for a lot of info.
I think beating around an op can work with omen viper cypher tbh. A lot of info denial can be used but idk maybe not
@@gamist8166 if the oper push up to take a sight line its hard to push him off the angle that where CC ability like skye flash is very strong
Astra just need a buff, omen already balanced considering his ult is really situational and most of the time got cancel anyway
Also bring back chamber second trips my man need that
i think if you lower omens range that would help astra
@@Harapan162 That's the only thing about Omen, so I personally wouldn't think that Riot would nerf that....
@@nathanflutistry545 ik know but it would help astra by making her the only global smoke
@@nathanflutistry545 That isn't the only thing. Omen's smokes arent just the range, but also the one-ways. He has the most flexible smokes for that.
I like the idea of buffing chamber's trip slow size. Punish exiting a choke more if they don't break his frankly, slow ass detecting trip.
Astra needs her 5th star back fr
if riot buffs Deadlock and Astra it will be like a 2nd christmas for me!
Omen does NOT need a nerf ffs, it’s just that Astra sucks so bad and brim isn’t great on certain maps. Omen already had a tragic ulti that isn’t great, so nerfing him is just dumb.
Honestly this is cool but the sample size is so low and the meta changes so frequently none of this really matters. Like look at EG forcing sova last year and winning
PRX are 7-1 playing Breach! (Sunset and Lotus)
Im not surprised by Sova, he has never really suffered in the meta. Always been a good pick and is a must pick on like 3 maps. Can never go wrong with a scan agent.
I would go as far as to say we need a new recon initiator and a slight Sova nerf to even them and Fade out
@@azzix4586 Lowkey but it would be hard tho, prolly just make a like a recon healer initiator
I don’t understand the point of nerfing omen. Just buff Astra and harbour and then see what happens.
czcams.com/video/Nte7DzqIc08/video.html Just watch that Video by him from yesterday. The Devs of VALORANT and our guy here exolain why the want to nerf strong agents instead of buffing weak ones. (Primarily to decrease reliance on abilities ingame I think.)
Omen needs a range nerf but that's all I'd say. Astra and Harbor def need buffs but a slight range nerf would be fair to Omen.
@@funkycrawler619 completely agree with this.
@@edwardalbrecht7246 hey! I did watch it. Someone in my replies had a great suggestion to nerf the range a little and buff the other controllers (obviously not Viper).
I hate harbor's slow. Why is an aggressive agent forcing anti-aggression by not letting the enemy move? Could argue breach's stun has that, but I'd argue it's used for dashing in and killing the stunned target. Ain't no harbor EVER getting a kill off the slow. It simply denies enemy push. Lame character since they give him that.
PLEASE bring back the old astra suck... OR 5 stars. not both tho she'd be brokennn. one or the other!
We run the sen comp at a t4 level but with fade over skye and it has a lot better defensive side the struggle is being stalled out in mid however with the viper nerfs that stall is weakened heavily
Sunset or Split?
@@itsCynos split
I hate this “Astra needs her 5th star back” narrative.
She was overpowered with 5 stars. She was honestly fine before that stunt/gravwell rework. Just revert the gravwell change while nerfing Omen’s smoke cooldown.
I guess the numbers for harbor are wrong lmao
34/40 isn’t 46%
My team be running Raze/Reyna/Deadlock/Cypher/Astra on sunset 💀
"Reyna" and "team" 🤣
Breach's time to shine with the Viper nerfs
Decrease Astra stars delay.
Allow Phoenix to cancel ult.
Make Brim's stim beacon affect enemies by slowing and weaken them.
Make Iso's C ability wider and work like Harbor's cascade.
Remove Clove's Q ability to explode on a timer.
Eh phoenix would be better if his wall could go through objects like neons can.
His pick rate is always gonna be low as long as cypher and kj trips and raze dive are as strong as they are rn.
@@MuttonErase the wall is a bad ability. The molly is the worst molly in the game. An agent with 2 horrible abilities cannot function, even tho the flash and ult are great. Its too little util compared to counterparts. Make the molly last like double as long, so he can stall time with it. Aditionally, make phoenix wall go through objects, have increased damage, and not be as clunky to use (faster animation, less bugginess with walls, seethrough stuff). There you go, Phoenix is good.
@@DualityofLifeif you were to buff him in that way, you’d also have to consider his flash; if the rest of Phoenix’s kit gets buffed, he needs a nerf to the speed of his flash, so as to not make him too strong
That brin change wouldnt do anything, opponents shouldnt be close enough to get hit by it, and trying to throw it at enemies makes no sense especially with its throw arc
The only brim change I would want would be to reduce the size and duration of stim but give him 2 charges back, so he can use the ability more flexibly
@@ethanwood1737 Id let it be first, He still doesnt offer a ton of things to a team comp, no one deep on site cuz hes not a dive duelist, no one supporting, he cannot support (he can throw his flash like two centimetres far). Id let it sit first and afterwards nerf the flash if need be.
thank you tmv PLEASE BUFF ASTRA PLEASEEE PLEASE PLEASE RIOT
Nerdy TMV clears ngl
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Tbh i hate the concept of "agent has high pick rate: nerf them", like who doesn't like omen, u know? Same with raze, they're fun agents to play and watch with high skill ceilings for pro. I think well designed characters like that deserve a higher pick rate and to be meta
Omen and raze kill role diversity; I’m so sick of every map being an omen or raze map where they are picked highest by an overwhelming margin (this is the case on 4/7 maps for both omen and raze). Just because a character has a high skill ceiling doesn’t mean that they are healthy for the game (eg. viper or sova in their respective primes)
@@ethanwood1737 found the omen raze hater
@ethanwood1737 but no actually i think the other smokes just need buffed to where the smoke agent u pick depends on your playstyle as a team. Shooting omen would just make super slow, 2021 astra/viper type shiz meta again. Like maayyybe there's clove or brim for aggressive folk, but they're not gonna be better than astra or viper in a pro setting imo (except maybe brim on bind)
And there's not another smoke with the kind of outplay potential omen has.
Raze I care a little less about but it's the same idea. Some of the coolest shit u can do in this game is with raze movement. Killing that would kill the fun for a super large margin of val players. If they're gonna nerf raze, I don't want it to be her movement. Nerf the boombot and nade but leave the movement alone. At least the movement to herself. Id be chill with completely taking away the dmg from it or making them only effect Raze.
Basically what I'm saying is just cuz an agent is picked a lot doesn't mean you should shoot them in the face and make them no fun anymore cuz them being fun might also be a reason they're picked so much ty for coming to my TEDtalk
I think you may be zooming in too much in the editing, it is a little annoying
11:15 we all are complaining because we aren't pros
Idgaf that she's op in pro, in ranked she's fine
meta split comp being called the sen comp, smh why the bilibili erasure
TMV the goat, TMV down my throat
I think it is possible to strengthen Phoenix by amplifying his flashes, namely a faster explosion or a decrease in the visibility of the flash
Nah, his flashes are the best part of his kit and need no changes. What they need to buff are his wall and molly, make the wall able to go through walls and make the molly have more duration are great possible changes that I think would make phoenix be picked way more than he currently is
If we buff his flashes, we remove his other abilities. It doesn't make sense, but I mean, if that's the only part of his kit we want players using anyway then...
bro his flash is really hard to avoid then u want buff it?? phoenix other kit need buff and his flash really need nerf
Genuinely think Omen is in a good spot. He's super fun to watch as well so I'd rather not see him take a step back in the meta
buff astra, i think omen is in a great space he just has zero competition
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idk why deadlock isn't picked that much, she's pretty decent as an agent
Yeah, but her role is a bit awkward. She kinda doesn't quite fill the role of a traditional sentinel, as she can't watch multiple areas of the map to allow her team to stack the other side, so either ends up competing for the flex spot (which, good luck there while Viper is around) or you play her without a traditional sentinel, which forces concessions on how you can play the map otherwise.
She isn't bad on her own terms, but making her work in a team is tough.
@@thesilvanalyst6880 i see, she's good in ranked but maybe in pro games she ruins the synergy.
Suggestion: A correction in sunset comp Sova has 21/31 which is 67% WR which is higher than both gekko and kay/o
Maybe draws played into it? Idk
TMV the background music is awful, I like it better when it isn't there.
My 2 cents about the astra and viper pick rates:
I think Astra is not getting picked as often is because haven and pearl are not in rotation so I don't think she needs an immediate buff but she does feel weak
Viper's wall getting limited activations will fix the problem - just like with Jett's dash and Chamber's tp, they need to nerf the part that makes Viper's kit op, so please stop nerfing everything else
where did Nerd TMV go?? i was just about to finish >:((
oil up lil bro i'll be there in 5
Goodbye world
I think theses stats are a bit biased, cuz usually, tier 1 teams plays the meta comps, and lower skilled teams are trying to experiment with other weird comp to add an element of surprise
For example Phoenix doing bad because M8 plays him a lot and lose.
But if lets says Fnc start using it, the winrate will for sure increase.
So maybe an agent isn’t doing great not because he is weak, but because weaker teams are using it
please remove Ascent
Viper did not deserve that big of a nerf. Her pick rate is that high because she is her own archetype. Instead of killing viper in casual play, buff harbor or introduce a new line smoker.
line smoke isn't what makes her powerful. it's the fact she can put it up and down globally. harbor will never be on that level because he can wall but only when he's in that area. viper creates a question mark - harbor doesn't.
Viper is the best solo anchor in the game and has the ability to force unequal utility trades against every single other agent in the game. She did deserve a huge nerf.
It is not just the "line smokes" that make her unique
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I love that you are doing this and think you do a good job with analyzing. But please for the love of god what is that editing? Why in hell are you constantly zooming in and out of your satistics and even more so, why are you constantly zooming to your facecam? The statistics are not to hard to read, but your editing makes it hard to follow which comp you are talking about and to compare whatever you are currently pulling into frame with the rest of the statistic. Ou could have done a way better job with a quarter of the editing effort. I am just trying to offer my critique with this comment, I hope it helps.