No doubt..Many don't know this.. but in Ali vs Frazier lll, Ali allegedly told Dundee to cut his gloves off after the 14th round..while Frazier begged Eddie Fuch not to Stop the Fight..You can see the Surprise and relief in Ali's face when he heard the news..😮💨
No point in having heart if you can't make it against the big boys. Ali was way over the hill in the third bout and Frazier's face looked as though he'd run in to a wall.
@@paulweir5031 My friend..Ali was 33 and Frazier was 31..I do Remember Ali's feet in the air, in 71'..Who do you know that can take 15 rounds of Ali's Sunday Punches, and still have enough Strength and power to knock Ali on his ass! In the Words Of Ron Lyle.." Joe Frazier could fight, Dawg"..😂
A better trainer would have had him using that jab a lot more, and had him fight in a less 'brawling' way. He was just so strong and still pretty fast that he could get away with his brawling style.
@@monkeyb1820 - That is an excellent, terrific point. Where was George Foreman’s left jab in Zaire? Did he even jab? I’ve seen that fight here 5+ times and the jab is not even thrown. It’s Ali to the ropes to exhaust Foreman and Foreman is never using his jab.
@@chrischichester7823 Foreman's trainer (Sadler) was not good. Foreman got a new trainer after that loss, but oddly enough, Ali would not give rematch unless Sadler was in George's corner (at least this is what George has said). And George said that sadler kept encouraging him to get after Ali, when George was clearly getting gassed out. I still think George is the goat--but it mostly relied on his genetics, he always had a wild punching style that a good trainer would have straightened out.
@@chrischichester7823 Ali's vs foreman, was a psychological nightmare for foreman. Ali's incredible speed, and the fact that he tauntingly whispered to Foreman.."Is that all you got, big fella" throughout the fight..caused foreman to lose control and by the 5th round, he was pretty much Spent.
The left hook by Frazier at 1:22 lifted big George off the canvas. Foreman knew this, though way past his prime,. not to take Joe lightly. This is a shell of Frazier. After Ali 1 Joe had nothing else to prove. He won the biggest fight of all time.
@@stevecvino Foreman would have beat Frazier no matter their ages Frazier could never take George power that’s why he as able to contend with Ali he wasn’t as powerful
The cliche that styles make fights is George Foreman-Joe Frazier in I and II. Foreman’s height and reach advantage was a major factor. That was not the case with 6’3” 215-pound Muhammad Ali for Frazier. It was for Foreman as Frazier is easily pushed off by Foreman. Frazier could not get inside or even connect with his signature left hook. I was just watching II at Nassau Coliseum and Frazier connected with his left hook against Foreman. Someone else here noted Foreman walked right through the left hook in II. Frazier never came close to stunning or hurting Foreman. But he showed his championship heart and determination. Joe Frazier, RIP.
Just crazy how styles make fights. Foreman's style with his size and power was troublesome for Frazier. Frazier's style was difficult for Ali whereas Ali's style was troublesome for Foreman. George struggled with Boxers He also lost to Jimmy Young.
@@curtismcneil8695 - I remember watching that Jimmy Young fight and Jimmy Young was no tomato can. Jimmy Young had George Foreman down in the final round of the 12th in that unanimous decision defeat. And Foreman was supposed to be washed up and Michael Moorer can ask Foreman about being washed up.
@@chrischichester7823 Michael Moorer was actually a dern good Light Heavyweight Champion. He was cut and could punch. As a Heavyweight He was good but his power was neutralized a little more because he was now hitting bigger men. He wasn't as mobile and he was in some tough scraps. George felt like he could get him if he could catch him. George wasn't interested in fighting Lewis, Bowe or even big Heavyweights like Tony Tucker.
I was a big Smokin Joe fan back in the day...Heard the first fight on armed forces radio when I was stationed in German...It was David against Goliath...This time Goliath won....As the years progressed, we all became a big fan of Big George...
It was a style thing, Joe simply couldn’t push the immovable Foreman back. He tried to box more on the outside in this fight but that’s never Joe Frazier and it was never going to work. George simply had Joe’s number.
Joe Frazier's entire legacy rests on his trilogy with Muhammad Ali. Without Ali, Frazier is just another heavyweight to be forgotten in boxing history, just another on the list of George Forman's knockouts.
Praise be for someone who can see through the worship of Frazier. Even his style was crap, all that head movement was easily readable it didn't stop people bouncing blows off it.
That's ridiculous, Joe was a hard hitting champion that dominated the division for years. He beat the shit out of Ali in the first fight. He just met up with a style he was not meant for in Foreman. Foreman hit too hard for a guy who was a take one to give one type of counter puncher. While he definitely did better that anyone who fought Ali prior to 1977, his career was a great one. This analysis is amateurish at best and void of any credibility. Ali would say otherwise as he was able to dominate Foreman, but never dominated Frazier. That was why he acknowledged him as the best fighter ever ( of course, with the exception of himself).
@@paulweir5031 like the author we are responding too, your take is just ridiculous. Joe was durable, hard hitting, he dominated the division including beating the shit out of Ali. He also held the best accounting of anyone, and did so in all three fights with Ali. In fact the best of anyone who fought Ali prior to 1977. In all three fights he was far better than anyone else.. Now look in the mirror and say "I do not know what I am talking about"
@@robertanderson9375 Interesting rebuttal, you literally just proved my point by only mentioning his sole accomplishment by citing the Ali fight and only the Ali fight. LOL I am definitely an amateur and Joe Frazier is definitely overrated. His sole claim to fame is his fights with Ali, otherwise he is ONLY remembered for getting knocked out by Foreman. Was he tough, yes! Was he hard hitting, again yes! Was he a heavyweight champion, yes! But his only memorable accomplishments are defeating Ali, getting whooped by Ali twice and "Down Goes Frazier" getting knocked out by Foreman. Sorry to be real and burst your bubble.
And to think that Frazier was the only fighter.. Foreman, was ever truly afraid of... Frazier lacked the shear determination and hatred, he brought into the ring in his "Fight of the Century" against Ali..
Ali beat Forman on tactics - Ali was a very intelligent boxer, he gassed out Forman and then stepped in to beat him with fresh power, rope a dope was a huge factor in Zaire also - I don't believe George Forman would have fallen in the same trap again in case of a remach (which never happened). The truth is that Forman of that epoch was a monstruous fighter and almost unbeatable one.
@@cameronfreeman8222 If I thought Ali or Tyson were among the finest boxers, I'd say so, but I don't. Oh no, you will never find Muhammad 'Hide-n-Seek' Ali on my list of favorite boxers! (biggest a-holes, maybe) I'd say the most remarkable boxer of my era would have to be the 45-plus-year-old man that was never actually knocked out by Ali, the great Sonny Liston. (How could Sonny be knocked out by a nonexistent punch?) As for boxers with the most heart, I'd have to go with 'Irish' Jerry Quarry and/or Smokin' Joe Frazier. I had the honor of seeing, in person, Frazier VS Quarry! Oh dear God, that was a *SLUGFEST!* May I ask for your favorites?
Joe Frazier never got back into the kind of shape he was in when he fought Ali March 8th, 1971. He dissipated and gained a lot of weight during the layoffs between fights after that fight too. It not an excuse, it's just the way it was. Foreman had the style and power to defeat him.
The first Ali fight took so much out of Joe. In just the two yrs. after '71 Frazier look liked he aged 10 yrs. If you watch the whole " fight of the century" it's truly brutal.
@@obi-potobi790 you're right man. Joe was one of the most intimidating heavyweights in history. It wasn't his size like Foreman or his Scowl like Liston, it was the fact his opponents knew Frazier would drag them through Hell for 15 rounds.
It’s been overstated. Fact is “big” George was never that big nor strong. He only weighed 220 and was able to bully joe because joe was like 200lbs. When he faced Ali who was the same weight as him, Ali easily manhandled and shocked him around and pulled him down whenever he wanted in the clinch. Basically shoved him m around like he was just a schoolboy.
Styles make fights...George would beat Joe 100 out of 100 times...but George wouldn't beat Ali 5 out of 100 times...and we all know how close Ali and Joe were. That's what makes boxing such an amazing sport to watch and discuss over the last 100 years.
I disagree Frazier was a well conditioned fighter no one could take many of Big George punches flush on the Jaw&Chin like that, Ali deflected and blocked and rolled with many of George’s shot, then clinch and back George up taking away a lot of his forward momentum.
What I noticed is, against Ali... Frazier could duck punches and use his head to dodge and still try to throw punches at the same time but against George, even while he was ducking... The bunches were still landing heavily either on his arms or his head cause of the weight and force of foreman's punch. He never really had a chance against foreman though..
@@zik5415 Foreman looked superior, yes, but Frasier could have put up a better perfoman whit more offense. It is that if you keep crouching and nodding and hitting litle throughout the fith, your energy reserves will no be the same ando you will lose coordinatión, reflexes and strenght, it is something natural.
@@bernardomatos3876 Frazier had another chance to change the outcome of the first fight but it obviously wasn't easy at all. He must have thought of been more aggressive in the second fight but the outcome was still same as the first fight. There was nothing he could have done..
Fraziers style was absolutely the best style to compliment George Formans punches. Look you take a fighter, he gets his ass kicked and he comes back the 2nd time with the exact same style....except for the haircut... doesn't show alot about the talent of Frazier.
I think Frazier should have jabbed and stayed defensive for about 8 rounds. He tried to early to force action. He had surprisingly good defense, and looked as though he actually knew how to box. I think him playing defense and jabbing and working in a few body shots, don't worry about winning rounds and just making foreman miss, maybe later rounds foreman gets tired and better openings are there. But it could be at this point, even had Frazier done that, he might have not had the reflexes to capitalize as he did when younger.
Quote from 70sAction re Frazier; " deadly left hook ". Have a look at his record; 27 stoppage wins, only 8 KOs, 6 of which were against mediocre opponents, with the exception of Doug Jones then past his prime, up to Feb.'67. For the rest of his career he scored just 2 knockouts, versus Zyglewicz and light heavy Bob Foster. Deadly my backside.
Fraizer & Norton very similar in style were not made for fighting against big hitters. Their style relies on being aggressive & engaging with their opponents, but then would make it hell for technical or just boxers like Holmes & Bonavena & Ali
People I think forget that Frazier's 4 losses were to Ali and Foreman. He had the one draw 4 years later with Floyd Jumbo Cummings in an attempted comeback fight. George Foreman was just too big and too strong for Frazier. Joe did better this time out but he really couldn't fight backing up. He caught Foreman with a few punches but never really hit him solid with his left hook. Once George finds his range he's hard to beat.
The second Foreman fight was at the Nassau Coliseum on Long Island in 1976 and it was a state-of-the-art facility. It wasn’t the six-knockdown devastation of the first fight. It was a 5th round TKO when Eddie Futch stopped the fight on the ring apron. Frazier was all heart in both fights. But Foreman was his absolute superior in size and that determined the outcome of both fights.
Any fighter with a style that requires they stand in front of their man and dip/duck a bunch, going up against Foreman, yeah, that ain’t gonna end well. Frazier was a great champ and a true warrior, but he was all wrong for Foreman.
@@MikeSmith-cl4ix Nah, Foreman would have KO'd Mike as well. Foreman would just push Mike away any time he got close and punish Mike anytime he tried to close the distance.
Mike was a beast too I must say.... But both foreman and Mike Tyson in their prime, foreman would beat mike anytime anyday cause of Mike's style of fight. If you can't push George backwards, it will be difficult to defeat him. George did not fight Ali with his brain, if he had... He would have defeated Ali. All he needed to do against Ali was to avoid forcing the fight and he would have won unanimously because of the pace at which Ali was fighting with him.
@@zik5415 okay well we'll just have to agree to disagree on that one because I don't see anyone in history beating Mike when he was at the top of his game though his candle burned out pretty quickly compared to some others.
Joe thinking that if he danced (instead of coming straight in , as was his style), he'd avoid the inevitable outcome was a noble but foolish effort. George was proven beatable by Ali, but he still had Joe's number every step of the way.
This is why Ali will always be the 🐐. He knocked out Forman and Forman punished Frazier in 2 two fights round for round b4 knocking him out both times.
Joe always fought like that. Always. And in fighting like that he was a come forward fighter, so I have no idea what you mean. In the first fight he came towards Foreman, did he not? He also did it with the same style, you called "looking down". In the second fight he tried something different. Frazier tried fighting on the outside, and this time trying to outbox George from there, countering, and at times infighting. But Frazier still got hit, until he Foreman caught him with a good one, hurt him, and then ended things Boxing is not as easy as it may look. And sometimes you could be beating a fighter the whole fight, and get caught, and stopped (even though you're the better fighter, technically, you still got caught, and stopped, by them). That's boxing.
Joe always fought like that. Always. And in fighting like that he was a come forward fighter, so I have no idea what you mean. In the first fight he came towards Foreman, did he not? He also did it with the same style, you called "looking down". In the second fight he tried something different, that was trying to instead outbox Foreman, but he got caught. It happens. There's different styles in fighting. Sometimes similar style meet u in the ring, and sometimes different style collide. That's boxing.
The way Foreman fights with Frazier is totally different from that he fought with Muhammad Ali. With Muhammad Ali, Foreman was very lenient, but with Frazier, Foreman was very strict.
Styles make fights Ali banked on George burning himself out and the strategy worked Ali covered up very good along the Ropes. Blocking a lot of heavy punches. Frazier and Tyson wouldn't be able to do that. They moved their head bobbing and weaving. But George would eventually catch those kind of fighters.
@@danpolseno9728 It's obvious that Foreman's punches on Ali were not real... a very clear difference between his punches on Frazier and his punches on Ali.. It's not just that.. even Foreman's withdrawal after falling back was unjustified.. he could have fought more
Foreman took no prisoners approach with Frazier, cause he watched him during his championship reign. He knew what he was capable of. So he fought determined & focused. With Ali he thought he could get away with just enough. Was caught off guard.
Или его братик Виталик, затыкает соперника мелким джебом вылезая за счёт антропометрии.... Скучно, некрасиво, но эффективно. То ли дело Большой Джордж. Мощь, напор, самоотверженность, бесстрашие. Вот это зрелище, вот это бокс. Ну про Али я вообще молчу, тут слова излишни.
Sadly I think Joe would have lost all 1000 times. Doing a little better each time but still coming up short in the end because he wasn't as smooth and elusive ad a Floyd Mayweather or Ali.
Foreman would get slid by Lennox Lewis. Foreman even said himself that Lewis is the best ever, and he was right. I would definitely put George in the top 5 though maybe even top 3
Foreman was definitely tougher than Liston. Ali made it look effortless to defeat Liston, while Sonny was cheating, while Foreman brought the best of Ali on the night in Zaire, while he foolishly tired himself out.
Love that time in the heavyweight division. Ali, Foreman, Frazier. How did Ali have a hard time with Frazier, than beat Foreman, than Foreman whoops Frazier easily. Never knew who was gonna be champ.next
Lol... This is so funny. I think he was more concerned about the number of punches he was going to be taken than the once he was ready to give out before he'll get beaten. I think foreman's counter punches were really worrisome for Frazier so he didn't want to give him too many chances to counter..
Frazier dips 25 times to any one punch he throws here. To afraid to move his hands. This was not a fight and shows all Frazier's weakness's. Why Frazier is a legend and why Ali struggled with him baffles me..
Бокс все-таки удивительная штука. Али трижды встречался с Джо и во всех 3 боях у него с ним были серьёзные проблемы. Хотя того же Формана Али просто уничтожил и переиграл в ноль без шансов. А вот Джо от Формана дважды получал знатных звездюлей.
Always wondered why Frazier never tackled Foreman with the same anger that he did Muhammad Ali. Was he afraid Foreman would beat him? He never had the confidence?
Just two totally different styles of fighter. He would spend half a fight chasing Ali, who’s style included dancing. Whereas Foreman was a Mac Truck with fists, and you could only pray it would run out of gas.
It’s because Foreman and Ali are radically different boxers and that is why the great Joe Frazier had radically different fights with each. It’s not about ‘anger’ but the ability to adjust to the fight and fighter. James Douglas was the first opponent to adjust to Mike Tyson in a way that totally baffled the champion to the point where he was hit with combinations no previous fighter landed. The inability of Tyson to adjust to the movement, combinations and jabs from Douglas is why he was knocked out in the 10th round. Tyson displayed tremendous heart and courage in trying to beat the count and he didn’t because he was taking a beating throughout the fight.
George changed trainers after that fight. His trainer had been Dick Sadler. Ali said that he'd only do a 2nd fight if Foreman had Sadler in his (George's) corner. That's a strange request. And George said that Sadler had kept telling him to get after Ali, almost like Sadler *wanted* George to get gassed out and lose. So something fishy may have been going on with Sadler. I don't even think Sadler was that great. George barely ever used his jab, which was actually really good. Almost as good as Holmes jab, but with twice the power.
Every time I see this fight I laugh my ass off big George wasn't playing around he was trying to knock Joe Frazier head off , if the ref wouldn't have stop the fight it could of got ugly..
I disagree. Let's face it Foreman was just too big, too strong, and used a bull vs matador technique to confuse Frazier at first. This is very well shown in their first fight. Then when Frazier couldn't get through like he wanted in other fights with others, Big George began working off that, and began bombing him. After Foreman began hurting Frazier, Foreman took over from there, and just over powered his man from there in. 2nd fight Frazier realized Foreman was too big and strong so he tried to mix things up a bit, and began fighting on the outside and some times inside, instead of just infighting. Frazier wasn't looking at that bad. He was doing a heck of a lot better than he did in their fight. But big George, if anything is always determined to stay on you until he gets you. And he still caught Frazier, and put him away.
Forman is like a Panzer tank throwing heavy bombs all night long, not for the faint of ❤!.Any one of those bombs would have ko anyone if it landed flush on the jaw.
Sorry you are way off beam with your thoughts on Frazier's ko potential; he only scored 8 in his career and 6 of them were against so so opposition, after Feb. '67 his other two were versus Zyglewicz and the light heavy champ Bob Foster. I can't imagine from where people view him as an all time great.
Big George and Ali were just two different just two different fighters. Ali of 1970 was not the same fighter he was during the early to latter part of that decade, because of his 3 year suspension, on top of it. That Ali in my opinion would have out boxed Frazier pretty easily, and would have taken far far less punches. Foreman was just too big and strong for Frazier, no matter what. Frazier's style (a come to fighter) just made things easy for the bigger, harder punching Foreman. And notice how accurate Foreman's punches were in the first fight with Frazier, who made things easy for the bigger, taller man.
Joe had as much heart as anyone in boxing history
No doubt..Many don't know this.. but in Ali vs Frazier lll, Ali allegedly told Dundee to cut his gloves off after the 14th round..while Frazier begged Eddie Fuch not to Stop the Fight..You can see the Surprise and relief in Ali's face when he heard the news..😮💨
@@vincentortiz8799 ur right it was practically a draw
No point in having heart if you can't make it against the big boys. Ali was way over the hill in the third bout and Frazier's face looked as though he'd run in to a wall.
@@paulweir5031 My friend..Ali was 33 and Frazier was 31..I do Remember Ali's feet in the air, in 71'..Who do you know that can take 15 rounds of Ali's Sunday Punches, and still have enough Strength and power to knock Ali on his ass! In the Words Of Ron Lyle.." Joe Frazier could fight, Dawg"..😂
@@vincentortiz8799 One punch in three fights, big deal; and Ali bounced straight back up.
Foreman's left jab was powerful weapon. I believe it hit harder than most heavyweights right hands.
A better trainer would have had him using that jab a lot more, and had him fight in a less 'brawling' way. He was just so strong and still pretty fast that he could get away with his brawling style.
@@monkeyb1820 - That is an excellent, terrific point. Where was George Foreman’s left jab in Zaire? Did he even jab? I’ve seen that fight here 5+ times and the jab is not even thrown. It’s Ali to the ropes to exhaust Foreman and Foreman is never using his jab.
@@chrischichester7823 Foreman's trainer (Sadler) was not good. Foreman got a new trainer after that loss, but oddly enough, Ali would not give rematch unless Sadler was in George's corner (at least this is what George has said). And George said that sadler kept encouraging him to get after Ali, when George was clearly getting gassed out. I still think George is the goat--but it mostly relied on his genetics, he always had a wild punching style that a good trainer would have straightened out.
True, but nothing compared to the Powerful 👈🪝, he floored many opponents, including Ali.
@@chrischichester7823 Ali's vs foreman, was a psychological nightmare for foreman. Ali's incredible speed, and the fact that he tauntingly whispered to Foreman.."Is that all you got, big fella" throughout the fight..caused foreman to lose control and by the 5th round, he was pretty much Spent.
At the end of the 4th round Frazier hit Forman with his deadly left hook and Forman just look at him like it was nothing 😳
i think a lot of the sting was gone because foreman pulled back
@@andya5597 Yep.... If Joe landed that peach perfect on anyone it's gonna give em serious trouble.
*BG*
The left hook by Frazier at 1:22 lifted big George off the canvas. Foreman knew this, though way past his prime,. not to take Joe lightly. This is a shell of Frazier. After Ali 1 Joe had nothing else to prove. He won the biggest fight of all time.
@@stevecvino Foreman would have beat Frazier no matter their ages Frazier could never take George power that’s why he as able to contend with Ali he wasn’t as powerful
The cliche that styles make fights is George Foreman-Joe Frazier in I and II. Foreman’s height and reach advantage was a major factor. That was not the case with 6’3” 215-pound Muhammad Ali for Frazier. It was for Foreman as Frazier is easily pushed off by Foreman. Frazier could not get inside or even connect with his signature left hook. I was just watching II at Nassau Coliseum and Frazier connected with his left hook against Foreman. Someone else here noted Foreman walked right through the left hook in II. Frazier never came close to stunning or hurting Foreman. But he showed his championship heart and determination. Joe Frazier, RIP.
Just crazy how styles make fights. Foreman's style with his size and power was troublesome for Frazier. Frazier's style was difficult for Ali whereas Ali's style was troublesome for Foreman. George struggled with Boxers He also lost to Jimmy Young.
@@curtismcneil8695 - I remember watching that Jimmy Young fight and Jimmy Young was no tomato can. Jimmy Young had George Foreman down in the final round of the 12th in that unanimous decision defeat. And Foreman was supposed to be washed up and Michael Moorer can ask Foreman about being washed up.
@@chrischichester7823 Michael Moorer was actually a dern good Light Heavyweight Champion. He was cut and could punch. As a Heavyweight He was good but his power was neutralized a little more because he was now hitting bigger men. He wasn't as mobile and he was in some tough scraps. George felt like he could get him if he could catch him. George wasn't interested in fighting Lewis, Bowe or even big Heavyweights like Tony Tucker.
@@curtismcneil8695 Exactly.. styles make fights.
Foreman looked good .
Only two man have defeatedJoe in his entire career.... image that,only 2.joe was a warrior r who never run from a battle
Only 2 men beat Lennox Lewis but he came back and beat both of them in the rematches
If he had fought a better class of opposition his record would not have been so good.
I was a big Smokin Joe fan back in the day...Heard the first fight on armed forces radio when I was stationed in German...It was David against Goliath...This time Goliath won....As the years progressed, we all became a big fan of Big George...
George was kinda the big bad guy at the time, but when he came back he was loved.
@@obi-potobi790 ya...
@@obi-potobi790 yep
If Frazier could hit as hard as David Tua, Foreman would have got sparked out cold
@John Whitworth rose tinted glasses are thick with you.
It was a style thing, Joe simply couldn’t push the immovable Foreman back.
He tried to box more on the outside in this fight but that’s never Joe Frazier and it was never going to work.
George simply had Joe’s number.
Joe Frazier's entire legacy rests on his trilogy with Muhammad Ali. Without Ali, Frazier is just another heavyweight to be forgotten in boxing history, just another on the list of George Forman's knockouts.
Praise be for someone who can see through the worship of Frazier. Even his style was crap, all that head movement was easily readable it didn't stop people bouncing blows off it.
Same for Ken Norton
That's ridiculous, Joe was a hard hitting champion that dominated the division for years. He beat the shit out of Ali in the first fight. He just met up with a style he was not meant for in Foreman. Foreman hit too hard for a guy who was a take one to give one type of counter puncher. While he definitely did better that anyone who fought Ali prior to 1977, his career was a great one. This analysis is amateurish at best and void of any credibility. Ali would say otherwise as he was able to dominate Foreman, but never dominated Frazier. That was why he acknowledged him as the best fighter ever ( of course, with the exception of himself).
@@paulweir5031 like the author we are responding too, your take is just ridiculous. Joe was durable, hard hitting, he dominated the division including beating the shit out of Ali. He also held the best accounting of anyone, and did so in all three fights with Ali. In fact the best of anyone who fought Ali prior to 1977. In all three fights he was far better than anyone else.. Now look in the mirror and say "I do not know what I am talking about"
@@robertanderson9375 Interesting rebuttal, you literally just proved my point by only mentioning his sole accomplishment by citing the Ali fight and only the Ali fight. LOL
I am definitely an amateur and Joe Frazier is definitely overrated. His sole claim to fame is his fights with Ali, otherwise he is ONLY remembered for getting knocked out by Foreman.
Was he tough, yes! Was he hard hitting, again yes! Was he a heavyweight champion, yes! But his only memorable accomplishments are defeating Ali, getting whooped by Ali twice and "Down Goes Frazier" getting knocked out by Foreman. Sorry to be real and burst your bubble.
And to think that Frazier was the only fighter.. Foreman, was ever truly afraid of... Frazier lacked the shear determination and hatred, he brought into the ring in his "Fight of the Century" against Ali..
Styles make fights. Frazier could not cope with Forman’s style.
Ali beat Forman on tactics - Ali was a very intelligent boxer, he gassed out Forman and then stepped in to beat him with fresh power, rope a dope was a huge factor in Zaire also - I don't believe George Forman would have fallen in the same trap again in case of a remach (which never happened).
The truth is that Forman of that epoch was a monstruous fighter and almost unbeatable one.
@@bumpyroad3251 Ali would always beat Foreman just as Foreman would always beat Frazier or Norton. It’s just the style matchup.
Foreman proof that even not at his best he could whip Frazier anytime!
BIG GEORGE ✊✊ TOP 5 of ALL TIME 💪 HEAVY HANDS AND GREAT CHIN⭐️I’m now 59 and remember all those classic sports from my era!
I´m 61 now, and I appreciate those days more and more as I get older. The Boomer years were just awesome!
He might even be in the top 3. Who's number one all time in your opinion, please don't say Tyson or ali
@@cameronfreeman8222 ABSOLUTELY MUHAMMAD ALI🦋 🐝⭐️ he had the deepest tank💪 JACK DEMPSEY 💪 and Marciano as well
@@cameronfreeman8222 If I thought Ali or Tyson were among the finest boxers, I'd say so, but I don't. Oh no, you will never find Muhammad 'Hide-n-Seek' Ali on my list of favorite boxers! (biggest a-holes, maybe) I'd say the most remarkable boxer of my era would have to be the 45-plus-year-old man that was never actually knocked out by Ali, the great Sonny Liston. (How could Sonny be knocked out by a nonexistent punch?) As for boxers with the most heart, I'd have to go with 'Irish' Jerry Quarry and/or Smokin' Joe Frazier. I had the honor of seeing, in person, Frazier VS Quarry! Oh dear God, that was a *SLUGFEST!* May I ask for your favorites?
Shavers marciano foreman lewis tyson dempsey wilder.
My two favorite fighters of all time!
Never knew they fought a second time.
When FOREMAN won the title in the 90s..I was NOT SURPRISED
Joe Frazier never got back into the kind of shape he was in when he fought Ali March 8th, 1971. He dissipated and gained a lot of weight during the layoffs between fights after that fight too. It not an excuse, it's just the way it was. Foreman had the style and power to defeat him.
He did for the thrilla in Manilla and Frazier liked to drink so that’s probably why he gained so much weight
The first Ali fight took so much out of Joe. In just the two yrs. after '71 Frazier look liked he aged 10 yrs. If you watch the whole " fight of the century" it's truly brutal.
Legendary boxers💥😎👍❤️
Frazier's soul was destroyed completely by Foreman in their first fight. So this was why Frazier got KO'd again in the rematch.
That's what made Frazier so exciting, the only fighter who had the balls to fight Foreman Twice.
@@joshuatree5620 Joe was done by this point though, unfortunately.
@@obi-potobi790 you're right man. Joe was one of the most intimidating heavyweights in history. It wasn't his size like Foreman or his Scowl like Liston, it was the fact his opponents knew Frazier would drag them through Hell for 15 rounds.
@@joshuatree5620 yeah man, great fighter.
Any lean forward fighter was made for big George
It’s been overstated. Fact is “big” George was never that big nor strong. He only weighed 220 and was able to bully joe because joe was like 200lbs. When he faced Ali who was the same weight as him, Ali easily manhandled and shocked him around and pulled him down whenever he wanted in the clinch. Basically shoved him m around like he was just a schoolboy.
Styles make fights...George would beat Joe 100 out of 100 times...but George wouldn't beat Ali 5 out of 100 times...and we all know how close Ali and Joe were.
That's what makes boxing such an amazing sport to watch and discuss over the last 100 years.
DOMINIO TOTAL DE FOREMAN Y GRAN RESISTENCIA DE JOE .
¡QUE PELEA DE 2 GRANDES!
Legends! They don't build them like this anymore...
Defense is important, but you win by hitting. Frazier exhausted himself nodding and ducking.
I disagree Frazier was a well conditioned fighter no one could take many of Big George punches flush on the Jaw&Chin like that, Ali deflected and blocked and rolled with many of George’s shot, then clinch and back George up taking away a lot of his forward momentum.
What I noticed is, against Ali... Frazier could duck punches and use his head to dodge and still try to throw punches at the same time but against George, even while he was ducking... The bunches were still landing heavily either on his arms or his head cause of the weight and force of foreman's punch. He never really had a chance against foreman though..
@@zik5415 Foreman looked superior, yes, but Frasier could have put up a better perfoman whit more offense. It is that if you keep crouching and nodding and hitting litle throughout the fith, your energy reserves will no be the same ando you will lose coordinatión, reflexes and strenght, it is something natural.
@@bernardomatos3876 Frazier had another chance to change the outcome of the first fight but it obviously wasn't easy at all. He must have thought of been more aggressive in the second fight but the outcome was still same as the first fight. There was nothing he could have done..
Fraziers style was absolutely the best style to compliment George Formans punches. Look you take a fighter, he gets his ass kicked and he comes back the 2nd time with the exact same style....except for the haircut... doesn't show alot about the talent of Frazier.
Exactly, couldn't find a different strategy.
I think Frazier should have jabbed and stayed defensive for about 8 rounds. He tried to early to force action. He had surprisingly good defense, and looked as though he actually knew how to box.
I think him playing defense and jabbing and working in a few body shots, don't worry about winning rounds and just making foreman miss, maybe later rounds foreman gets tired and better openings are there. But it could be at this point, even had Frazier done that, he might have not had the reflexes to capitalize as he did when younger.
Sounds good until Joe eats the first big bomb he just was not use to being hit that hard. Will and heart couldnt get pass Foremans power.
This Forman would have destroyed Holyfield and the other fighters he fought when he came back
Mind kettő nagyon jó boxoló volt nagy ütők voltak👍
Quote from 70sAction re Frazier; " deadly left hook ". Have a look at his record; 27 stoppage wins, only 8 KOs, 6 of which were against mediocre opponents, with the exception of Doug Jones then past his prime, up to Feb.'67. For the rest of his career he scored just 2 knockouts, versus Zyglewicz and light heavy Bob Foster.
Deadly my backside.
Foreman and Shavers...omg
Shaver's
Done
Round 1
Big
George
Beats the dog out of the acorn 👍🥇✅
Even little quarry
The bellflower bomber
Destroyed
Him
Fact's
Fraizer & Norton very similar in style were not made for fighting against big hitters. Their style relies on being aggressive & engaging with their opponents, but then would make it hell for technical or just boxers like Holmes & Bonavena & Ali
George was a beast back in the 70's.
I think Frazier slipped after he beat Ali. The rest of the way he was past his very best.
I remember hearing Joe Frazier was in the hospital for a period of time and Muhammad Ali was not after I.
Frazier had no chance against Foreman. Foreman was too big and strong.
The crash against the turnbuckle did more damage than the punch did.
My Lord, Frazier was GAME. Foreman was his kryptonite.
Smokin joe frazier valiente. Muy valiente. Foreman tuvo suerte de ser mas grande. Frazier le quito el invicto a Ali.
Frazier hasn't got the speed of Ali to rattle foreman's attacks.
People I think forget that Frazier's 4 losses were to Ali and Foreman. He had the one draw 4 years later with Floyd Jumbo Cummings in an attempted comeback fight. George Foreman was just too big and too strong for Frazier. Joe did better this time out but he really couldn't fight backing up. He caught Foreman with a few punches but never really hit him solid with his left hook. Once George finds his range he's hard to beat.
The second Foreman fight was at the Nassau Coliseum on Long Island in 1976 and it was a state-of-the-art facility. It wasn’t the six-knockdown devastation of the first fight. It was a 5th round TKO when Eddie Futch stopped the fight on the ring apron. Frazier was all heart in both fights. But Foreman was his absolute superior in size and that determined the outcome of both fights.
What year was this fight?
The title!!!
Full fight or highlights?
Any fighter with a style that requires they stand in front of their man and dip/duck a bunch, going up against Foreman, yeah, that ain’t gonna end well.
Frazier was a great champ and a true warrior, but he was all wrong for Foreman.
Unless it was a young Mike Tyson.
@@MikeSmith-cl4ix Nah, Foreman would have KO'd Mike as well. Foreman would just push Mike away any time he got close and punish Mike anytime he tried to close the distance.
@@menooga I don't think so a 20 year old Mike would be way too fast for him. But if they were both in their 30s or above then I would agree with you.
Mike was a beast too I must say.... But both foreman and Mike Tyson in their prime, foreman would beat mike anytime anyday cause of Mike's style of fight. If you can't push George backwards, it will be difficult to defeat him. George did not fight Ali with his brain, if he had... He would have defeated Ali. All he needed to do against Ali was to avoid forcing the fight and he would have won unanimously because of the pace at which Ali was fighting with him.
@@zik5415 okay well we'll just have to agree to disagree on that one because I don't see anyone in history beating Mike when he was at the top of his game though his candle burned out pretty quickly compared to some others.
George Foreman was a bad match-up for Joe Frazier. As tough as Frazier looked against Ali he looked so ineffective against George.
You’re right, foreman never let frazier in. He had his number
Frazier is a difficult opponent to face but his style was never effective against Foreman even if they fought 100 times IMHO
Frazier did better the second time but Foreman was just too strong for him.
Это же не Фрейзер а Джеймс Тони😂. Такого бокса уже не будет никогда
What year?
Some people just have your number.....
This just shows how great Ali was.
Both foreman and frazer would be wiping the floor with this gen of hws. What fighters
When boxe was boxe
Joe thinking that if he danced (instead of coming straight in , as was his style), he'd avoid the inevitable outcome was a noble but foolish effort. George was proven beatable by Ali, but he still had Joe's number every step of the way.
This is why Ali will always be the 🐐. He knocked out Forman and Forman punished Frazier in 2 two fights round for round b4 knocking him out both times.
Tyson had the Frezier's style
Damn this fight was disappointing,but Foreman showed how devastating a puncher he was just like in the first fight
Grande....2 perros de pelea
A fighter should fight with his head high 💪if he has confidence
I think fighting Foreman again after he knocked you down 6 times in the first bout is a definite sign of confidence and balls.
Joe always fought like that. Always. And in fighting like that he was a come forward fighter, so I have no idea what you mean. In the first fight he came towards Foreman, did he not? He also did it with the same style, you called "looking down". In the second fight he tried something different. Frazier tried fighting on the outside, and this time trying to outbox George from there, countering, and at times infighting. But Frazier still got hit, until he Foreman caught him with a good one, hurt him, and then ended things
Boxing is not as easy as it may look. And sometimes you could be beating a fighter the whole fight, and get caught, and stopped (even though you're the better fighter, technically, you still got caught, and stopped, by them).
That's boxing.
Joe always fought like that. Always. And in fighting like that he was a come forward fighter, so I have no idea what you mean. In the first fight he came towards Foreman, did he not? He also did it with the same style, you called "looking down". In the second fight he tried something different, that was trying to instead outbox Foreman, but he got caught. It happens. There's different styles in fighting. Sometimes similar style meet u in the ring, and sometimes different style collide. That's boxing.
@@Uuyrijies1123 Right. Certain don't know the first thing about boxing. All they know is two people in the ring hitting each other.
The way Foreman fights with Frazier is totally different from that he fought with Muhammad Ali. With Muhammad Ali, Foreman was very lenient, but with Frazier, Foreman was very strict.
Styles make fights Ali banked on George burning himself out and the strategy worked Ali covered up very good along the Ropes. Blocking a lot of heavy punches. Frazier and Tyson wouldn't be able to do that. They moved their head bobbing and weaving. But George would eventually catch those kind of fighters.
@@danpolseno9728
It's obvious that Foreman's punches on Ali were not real... a very clear difference between his punches on Frazier and his punches on Ali.. It's not just that.. even Foreman's withdrawal after falling back was unjustified.. he could have fought more
Has anyone ever wonder what Ali v Foreman rematch will be like?.....of course that rematch never happened
Lol Foreman was giving Ali a massage then?! Seriously!
Foreman took no prisoners approach with Frazier, cause he watched him during his championship reign. He knew what he was capable of. So he fought determined & focused. With Ali he thought he could get away with just enough. Was caught off guard.
Foreman just had Fraziers number.
Foreman would have done the same to Tyson!
100 percent
If it was prime tyson with cus
It will be really hard for foreman to catch tyson
@@khadarshaik5830 Cus D'amato died when Tyson had 11 pro fights. Foreman would beat Tyson at ANY period of Tyson's career.
Foreman was very slow
Tyson in his prime had a great defensive skils
Tyson would escape those hard punch
And win via decision
Ali told Foreman to avoid Tyson 🤦♂️.
Joe Frazier energy bar went down to fast 😄 he was snapping that left hook fast as hell in the first round , every time he got hit it got slower
Вот это был бокс. Не то что Кличко Владимир. Выйдет, повиснет на противнике, пообнимает его и всë.
Или его братик Виталик, затыкает соперника мелким джебом вылезая за счёт антропометрии.... Скучно, некрасиво, но эффективно. То ли дело Большой Джордж. Мощь, напор, самоотверженность, бесстрашие. Вот это зрелище, вот это бокс. Ну про Али я вообще молчу, тут слова излишни.
Foreman is the best heavyweight in history
Frazier could have fought Foreman a 1000 times and maybe he would have landed a lucky punch once or twice and peeled 1 or 2 victories
Sadly I think Joe would have lost all 1000 times. Doing a little better each time but still coming up short in the end because he wasn't as smooth and elusive ad a Floyd Mayweather or Ali.
Forman was the best
Foreman would get slid by Lennox Lewis. Foreman even said himself that Lewis is the best ever, and he was right. I would definitely put George in the top 5 though maybe even top 3
For those who are asking why there is no Ali Foreman 2:
Liston was stronger than Foreman
Ali defeated him twice.
And ali lost to 5 has been s and larry Holmes
@@jaymoon5906 should have been 6 if his corner didn't rip the glove
Foreman was definitely tougher than Liston. Ali made it look effortless to defeat Liston, while Sonny was cheating, while Foreman brought the best of Ali on the night in Zaire, while he foolishly tired himself out.
Little man with force against big man with stronger force and a left jab. A foreseen conclusion there I’m afraid…
I didn’t know they fought twice.
Foreman is both physically and spiritually superior.
Love that time in the heavyweight division. Ali, Foreman, Frazier. How did Ali have a hard time with Frazier, than beat Foreman, than Foreman whoops Frazier easily. Never knew who was gonna be champ.next
joe just tries to not recive many, no atempted to hit.did he realy believs that with one punch every round can win??
Lol... This is so funny. I think he was more concerned about the number of punches he was going to be taken than the once he was ready to give out before he'll get beaten. I think foreman's counter punches were really worrisome for Frazier so he didn't want to give him too many chances to counter..
Nothing more nauseating than Howard Cosell getting a little too excited.
Joe seemed like he was tryin be cute
2 of the best heavyweights of all time. Next to Muhammad Ali.
Frazier dips 25 times to any one punch he throws here. To afraid to move his hands. This was not a fight and shows all Frazier's weakness's. Why Frazier is a legend and why Ali struggled with him baffles me..
You don’t know much about boxing.
alljoe had..was that hopeitlands...lefthook no good at all against the size and.chin of foreman. and Power George skilled with bothhands
Why did they even let them fight each other? Frazier could not beat Foreman, just a waste of time.
Frazier didn't do a damn thing.
Бокс все-таки удивительная штука. Али трижды встречался с Джо и во всех 3 боях у него с ним были серьёзные проблемы. Хотя того же Формана Али просто уничтожил и переиграл в ноль без шансов. А вот Джо от Формана дважды получал знатных звездюлей.
A model champion
Super fighter
Highlights? It was all highlights!
I would love to see Foreman vs Tyson in their prime.
We all would
Frazier should have never been medically cleared for that fight.
I'm ashamed... I didn't know they fought twice 🤦🏼♂️🤦🏼♂️
جورج فورمان الاسطورة
Always wondered why Frazier never tackled Foreman with the same anger that he did Muhammad Ali. Was he afraid Foreman would beat him? He never had the confidence?
Just two totally different styles of fighter. He would spend half a fight chasing Ali, who’s style included dancing. Whereas Foreman was a Mac Truck with fists, and you could only pray it would run out of gas.
It’s because Foreman and Ali are radically different boxers and that is why the great Joe Frazier had radically different fights with each. It’s not about ‘anger’ but the ability to adjust to the fight and fighter. James Douglas was the first opponent to adjust to Mike Tyson in a way that totally baffled the champion to the point where he was hit with combinations no previous fighter landed. The inability of Tyson to adjust to the movement, combinations and jabs from Douglas is why he was knocked out in the 10th round. Tyson displayed tremendous heart and courage in trying to beat the count and he didn’t because he was taking a beating throughout the fight.
These are warriors. Now the world cowers in fear of getting a sore throat. People nowadays are spineless cowards.
Certain people..this new generation..YES..in my opinion
@@marvinhagler4721 Agreed
It's incredible how easily Foreman wins a great boxer like Frazier.was.
..what a force...
Формэн много пропускает и мало бьёт, да и защита плохая ,голова всё время открыта
Because he was a slugger
Foreman is the truth
Ali lost to smoking Joe. In thier first fight. No rewriting history he won the thriller in manila 4 years later 😎
Did you forget fight number 2?
All George Forman saw was that round bald head and attacked it!!! Lol
There should have been a Ali VS Foreman II fight.
In the early 90’s, I was hoping for a Foreman-Tyson fight. Imagine the money that fight would’ve brought in.
Ali was no fool. He knows he outsmarted George once; twice would've been asking for a miracle.
George changed trainers after that fight. His trainer had been Dick Sadler. Ali said that he'd only do a 2nd fight if Foreman had Sadler in his (George's) corner. That's a strange request. And George said that Sadler had kept telling him to get after Ali, almost like Sadler *wanted* George to get gassed out and lose. So something fishy may have been going on with Sadler. I don't even think Sadler was that great. George barely ever used his jab, which was actually really good. Almost as good as Holmes jab, but with twice the power.
Every time I see this fight I laugh my ass off big George wasn't playing around he was trying to knock Joe Frazier head off , if the ref wouldn't have stop the fight it could of got ugly..
EXACTLY
Club Atlético Belgrano de Córdoba Argentina....
Joe was too small
Forman has stronger punches than Frazier
Foreman yang kelihatan mudah mengalah kan Joe Fraser.
Frazier lost his courage before Foreman.. He was very scared.. He wasn't the fighter we saw against Ali...so he lost cowardly.
I disagree. Let's face it Foreman was just too big, too strong, and used a bull vs matador technique to confuse Frazier at first.
This is very well shown in their first fight. Then when Frazier couldn't get through like he wanted in other fights with others, Big George began working off that, and began bombing him. After Foreman began hurting Frazier, Foreman took over from there, and just over powered his man from there in.
2nd fight Frazier realized Foreman was too big and strong so he tried to mix things up a bit, and began fighting on the outside and some times inside, instead of just infighting. Frazier wasn't looking at that bad. He was doing a heck of a lot better than he did in their fight. But big George, if anything is always determined to stay on you until he gets you. And he still caught Frazier, and put him away.
Forman is like a Panzer tank throwing heavy bombs all night long, not for the faint of ❤!.Any one of those bombs would have ko anyone if it landed flush on the jaw.
Sorry you are way off beam with your thoughts on Frazier's ko potential; he only scored 8 in his career and 6 of them were against so so opposition, after Feb. '67 his other two were versus Zyglewicz and the light heavy champ Bob Foster.
I can't imagine from where people view him as an all time great.
Great fight but he looks so good fighting Ali but looks like a easy vick with George I'm cunfused
Big George and Ali were just two different just two different fighters. Ali of 1970 was not the same fighter he was during the early to latter part of that decade, because of his 3 year suspension, on top of it.
That Ali in my opinion would have out boxed Frazier pretty easily, and would have taken far far less punches.
Foreman was just too big and strong for Frazier, no matter what. Frazier's style (a come to fighter) just made things easy for the bigger, harder punching Foreman. And notice how accurate Foreman's punches were in the first fight with Frazier, who made things easy for the bigger, taller man.
Joe didnt learn much from th first fight did he 🤣🤣