Probably just gave a movie producer in the "other" movie industry in Los Angeles an idea to use in a "Ghostbusters" parody movie. I would rather watch that one.
I mean, it kind of worked for Rise of Skywalker. TLJ was such a giant dumpster fire, and ROS was... at least somewhat entertaining. (Please note: I did not say good, or any variation of that, I said "entertaining.")
Yeah, I have been saying for a while it is weaponised contrast principle! Pump out enough utter crap and fill it with over the top woke nonsense, and soon people will eagerly lap up mediocre movies that is somewhat subtle in its social engineering wokeness and claim the problem is fixed and good movies are back and wokeness is dead blah blah!
Imagine if the ghost girl was actually the demon in disguise, manipulating the feelings of a genius, yet emotionally vulnerable teenager into releasing its frozen nightmare unto the world, thus showing that genius girl, despite her vast technological expertise, is still just a kid with the critical judgement of: a kid
But like, isn't that what happens? Phoebe is manipulated by someone who she trusts. Trusts enough into letting her do the ghost walk thing infront of the orb.
"It's not for you" is such a fucking cop out. If it's not for me, who is it for? Youngsters? Zoomers don't care about the franchises that us crusty old millennials and GenX liked.
@@pacmancdi Movies have definitely shifted to cater to a younger/stupider audience. But the OP refers to the ideological shift that view white men in particular as inherently oppressive and bad.
@Lord_Deimos It goes with everything now. Since the wackos want to destroy the nuclear family because it's hip and cool and because they lack strong parental figures in their lives. There are people who were raised by a parent with a brain and cared about them, while others had a weak parent who wanted to be their friend or was dumb as a brick.
I'm truly amazed at how Lucky went from a waitress into being a qualified Engineer of some sort in just two years with no appreciable education. Almost as if the writers had to shoe horn her back in to keep the DEI boxes ticked or something.
7:27 …and there it was. “This right here is what happens when a whole generation of fatherless children grow up into neurotic emotionally stunted adults and start writing movie scripts that have to deal with parental relationships.” Drinker, you have nailed maybe one of the bigger societal issues that is hitting out society hard: lack of positive father (and mother) figures in familial relationships. Unlike many other times when the Drinker nails a point (and I go “ya, take that crummy Hollywood establishment”)… this on-point remark just made me feel…. sad inside.
This movie was written by Jason Reitman and Gil Kenan. So, how did they have no fathers yet clearly have fathers in their lives? The two contradict each other.
"It turns out that driving down a crowded street in New York City, indiscriminately firing particle beam weapons, isn't the safest way to get around." Still safer than taking the NYC subway, these days.
Stop watching movies. If you're even remotely anti-woke left you should have been boycotting that entire industry. Sail the seven seas. Become king of the pirates.
a super-genius little girlboss, who also just so happens to be a lesbian? that's such an original, never-before-seen concept...... I love that we live in such abundance of creative minds making movies and video games
Nothing can ever come close to replacing the original Ghostbuster because that movie contained the single greatest line of dialogue ever penned into a screenplay: "Ssssh!, Listen!.....you smell that?"
We've now had 5 Ghostbusters films in 40 years and the first is still the highest grossing one, by quite a margin, adjust for inflation and it's not even close, worst diminishing returns in movie history. Sony need to accept that Ghostbusters was not destined to be a franchise and just put it to bed.
I'm going to disagree that it's the worst diminishing returns in movie history. I think that title currently belongs to the Terminator franchise. T2 is a modern classic, and it's absolutely gone off a cliff since then.
Apologies if already shared, but I recently learned that in ‘84 Ghostbusters, a running gag is Louis being locked out of his apartment… and then going on to become the Keymaster. Subtle brilliance.
The original Ghostbusters were all seasoned comedians. They didn't have to act stupid or have dumb gags to be funny, they WERE funny. The story was pretty serious, but they Busters always took it stride.
Yes, the humor came from the characters being themselves in otherwise very horror vibe situations. Often to lighten the mood for themselves when they were unnerved. Ghostbusters always had a great blend of grounded light horror with a comedy from the characters personalities, rather than goofy gags.
Britain’s far left _The Guardian_ paper insists that, as stagnant as _Frozen Empire_ may be, all-girls _Ghostbusters ‘16_ remains ‘far more funny and still well worth a watch’ 🤣
@xOogieBoogie3x yeah they were. Two unsuspecting citizens get possesed by demi god beasts and bring forth an ancient god to wreak terrible death and destruction on the Earth.
The first film was done so well, and seemingly simply. It opens with a scene of a traditional type of ghost being found. The audience doesn't care that it is unrelated to the rest of the story. The audience doesn't care how the equipment was made. A big chunk of their ghostbusting was a montage of magazine covers and hosts doing voice-over to add another layer of hype to the real world excitement of the movie. The guys were running through the streets carrying their traps, all of it filmed on the spot with regular people around them. No family angst. Nothing to rehash for no reason at all. No convoluted attempts to appeal to anything other than the sense of humor.
Are we starting to typecast Paul Rudd as the likeable, yet out-of-his-depth father figure to an unexplained science genius daughter who, despite said genius, does something monumentally stupid to cause movie plots? I mean, it's happened twice in two different franchises now, and it's a weirdly specific set of circumstances to happen twice, and pretty close together. Kind of like what Disney's done to Harrison Ford, destroying his marriage and estranging him from wife and son while making him washed up and past it in his two biggest franchises.
Winston Zeddmore had one of the most funny backgrounds ever in the original movie: Only a random black guy looking for a job, and he did not even believed in ghosts after all, however get hired by the team ( what shows that they were not racist EVEN in the 80's!) then Winston Zeddmore starts to realize that ghosts are real and in a real funny way. that, my friends, is what a character arc means.
Hes not going to be broke and desperate all his life. He most likely built his money from the ground up since he joined the ghostbusters.@franciscodanconia4324
Out of everything that made this movie so unbelievable, it had to be, for me, the crimeless, peopleless, garbage and homeless free streets of NYC. That was the biggest plot hole since plot holes were ever noticed or created.
lol I was thinking the same thing. New York looked so clean and upkept. I wonder if one of the reasons for shooting on a London sound stage was because of the homeless problem in the actual locations.
That's so true, I noticed there were no people, especially around the firehouse at the end. They had the crowd, but the streets looked blocked. No pedestrians. I liked Avengers, but the process plate CGI NY didn't look as "real" as Superman '77.
That was my one positive take on the 1st Venom movie, at least they showed San Fransisco how I actually looks (homelessness rampant) more faithfully than MCU's Antman movies.
Vizzini: " You fell victim to one of the classic blunders. The most famous is never get involved in a land war in Asia. But only slightly less well known is this; never make a sequel to a Bill Murray movie! Let alone a franchise!"
The ghostbusters videogame will always be the ultimate version of the ghostbusters ever created, hands down bar none. Written by Dan and Harold, starring the whole cast, it simply can’t be beat.
I like how Bill Murray for twenty plus years refused to do a Ghostbusters sequel but after Harold Ramis dies he'll do any GB related movie no matter how bad it is, like damn man, he just should have kept saying no.
I didn’t like teenagers when I was a teenager either. High school was outright torture because I had to have classes with them. They were all immature and annoying, which made class drag on because the teachers couldn’t get their lessons done without the idiots chiming in.
Casting her of all people as MJ was probably one of the worst decisions in comic book movie history. Have hated her for that ever since. And not to mention that she also happens to be an activist.
The original film was written by Ackroyd in peak creative form, while John Belushi was still alive. These films are all written by industry hacks who know they have to stay within the lines and check all the right boxes.
yeah the 1st draft was written by Ackroyd but it was changed a fair bit for the better by Harold Ramis and Ivan Reitman over a 2 week re-write where they all got high in a cabin.
Films written by guys who earned their slot busting their chops actually loving and working for years, decades. As opposed to now where sex, ethnicity, and sexual fetishist are your resume.
They don’t have to, they choose to. It’s slowly flipping back though. Money talks, just gotta keep avoiding the traps and not giving them money to make them, they’ll figure it out.
And Dan Akroyd>>>>>>>>>> DONT buy into the CACA >>>>> theres no gay lesbian shit. ACTUALLY >>> that character has a GREAT twist I wouldnt want to ruin any more >>> ALL I can say is >>> ITS ACTUALLY AWESOME, go see it..> I mean, theres a good quality version you can download and watch ffs. Its a great movie.
I remember a story about BTTF that they changed the time machine to a car because they didnt want children getting stuck in Fridges(original idea). Yet here we have a child literally killing themselves to be with their ghost friend. Thats just disturbing.
So glad you touched on Melody's age... When she said she was forever 16, I looked to my GF and we both laughed with a 'plus VAT....' That being said, she should have been the main enemy rather than Ghost of Christmas Yet To Come....
The biggest problem is: they're desperately trying to turn Ghostbusters into a modern style, PG-13 franchise like the MCU, completely ignoring that the original movie was basically an 80's comedy with the typical subversive, raunchy, sarcastic & anarchistic humor from that era that works even if you take out the whole ghost hunting and replace it with something else, like I dunno an alien invasion or something. They actually tried this, with the movie ''Evolution'', where they copied the formula of Ghostbusters but with aliens and it failed. We didn't watch it for the ghost hunting, we watched it for the witty & sarcastic humor and the famous comedians, who were on their creative peak, that it featured. It was ''lightning in a bottle'' and it can't be replicated, specially by the hacks that are running today's Hollywood movie industry.
This is exactly the problem. Ghostbusters has become yet another kiddie "franchise", replacing anything subversive and clever with silly, family-friendly hijinks. I expect Beetlejuice 2 to be the same way. Not that it wasn't already pretty family-ish, but I expect that to be dialed up to 11.
@@GiovanniAlckmimRusso It did, which is why most people dislike the second movie compared to the first. The cartoon was fine for children under 10. Problem is everything is slowing being catered to that demographic.
@@bassanimation doesn't mean the franchise got bad for being more kid friendly. Both Ghostbusters 2 and Afterlife have a solid story and Afterlife has the most emotional moment of the entire franchise. I still haven't seen Frozen Empire as it'll only release here in Brazil less than two weeks from now, so I can't say anything about that one.
Not only was Garraka's plan extremely convoluted, but it completely hinged on the change of Phoebe either being gay or bi-curious. Had Phoebe been straight or even asexual, it would have failed from the start.
I've seen some bad movies in the past few years so I consider this higher than the Drinker does. They're definitely trying to do fan service, even if it's hit or miss. My issue was that the plot's main turning point didn't make sense. 1. A mysterious cold ghost is moving through the city, manipulating events 2. Cold ghost is released due to his manipulating the teen ghostbuster Hold on, how could he arrange his escape from the ghost prison while stuck in the ghost prison? We see the frost spirit moving around the city streets well before he's ever set loose.
Drinker has that same problem that all (good) modern film critics have that I keep pointing out: as soon as you refer to a movie series as a ‘franchise’ you are guaranteed only one absolute certainty: standardized, cooky cutter shite pooped out on a conveyer belt. Keep your hopes going on a ‘franchise’ and you’ll never be disappointed in being disappointed
It bothers me they use the Ecto-1, which was on its last leg and got replaced by the Ecto-1A in Ghostbusters II. I also think it would be nice if they acknowledged Rick Moranis in any way, like Janine possibly having the last name Tully.
@@redneckranger2144 He was working in the firehouse in GB II as well. During the Run-DMC montage you see him telling them how to bill the customers and running into Slimer.
Can you imagine them trying to cram one more character in though? It's already too bloated. That being said I would rather have moranis than any of the new characters.
How could you ignore Janine!!!! The originals also had our lovely, sassy, super-smart assistant! She didnt need to be a girlboss to be impactful and memorable!
@@invarietateconcordia1988 Annie Potts is a treasure; she easily held her own against Bill Murray in delivering blisteringly laconic, deadpan remarks throughout the film, and that's no mean feat. One thing Ghostbusters II undeniably got perfectly right was to give her tons of screen time to further explore Janine's character.
This always bugged me. Walter Peck was right, he was always right. They were running around with unlicensed nuclear accelerators in the original and endangering a minor in this one.
They were *both* arguably right, in the original (which is how you write actually interesting conflict into a script), and both Peck and Venkman were complete dicks to each other about it (which is how you generate like 75% of the rest of the plot; if Venkman had been a reasonable, sincere person and got along with Peck and the university board, the movie would've been about 30 minutes long and really, really bland). The Ghostbusters were right in that ghosts were actually real, and those unlicensed nuclear accelerators were necessary to avert the apocalypse in the end, but Peck was right in that *they were dumping hazardous supernatural waste in their basement all along,* and that ended up being part of the trigger for the apocalypse in the first place!
Well.. yeeeaa.. but he was also a Class A1 Douchebag in his approach... so y'know kinda deserved to get smothered in melted Mt Staypuft. I was hoping Gozer might have dragged him screaming forthwith into the nearest convenient parallel dimension.
I was a teenager/20s in the 80s and 90s and I honestly believe it was close to the peak of human creativity. The sheer amount of creativity in music, tv and movies when I was young was astounding compared to today. I'm not sure there's many creative people left, they're all just pale imitations of past heroes.
@@DominicZelenak Even Back To The Future 2 made a joke about it in Marty's future, with Jaws 12 or whatever. It predicted that people in the future would just copy other people's original ideas just to make money, and here we are, living it.
@@aldunlop4622 good point. It's a franchise with competent producers and talented story tellers. And even though it's popular to hate Back to the Future 2, it's still a guilty pleasure of mine.
@@DominicZelenak I’m absolutely certain that unless things change, there will be some cynical remake of Back to the Future, probably with a female lead because modern feminist creators have “see themselves” in it. They have no understanding of source material or love or a sense of humour, they just want to destroy the past for their own petty personal insecurities.
It's incredible that The Real Ghostbusters, the 80s animated show, had better writers than the current films in the franchise. The animated series had memorable episodes (the Boogeyman episode left an entire generation of eighties children traumatized), which gave development to the characters of the original film and expanded the narrative universe... at least until the 3rd season. It would be so easy for today's writers to return to this series and be inspired by some of this episodes... but that would require an intellectual effort that they clearly lack.
Animated shows and movies are often way more well made than live-action stuff its just that most people sadly dont care about animated shows and movies so they never notice that.
Sadly, they also went through something of a proto "modern Hollywood" event too. A consulting firm called Q5, which claimed to be a group of seasoned child psychology experts, was hired to improve the show. It turned out they were just a bunch of Karens and soccer moms without even a shred of psychology training or experience, and they gave a ton of tone-deaf demands like "Make Janine loving and maternal because she's a woman, and lose the pointy glasses because kids are scared of pointy things", "Make Winston the driver, because putting him in a subservient role to the others couldn't possibly be seen as bad or offensive", "Make Slimer the main character", and "Junior Ghostbusters." Basically they completely gutted the show of everything that made it charming, likable, and funny, J. Michael Straczynski quit in absolute disgust, and the show went from winning Daytime Emmys to being at risk of cancellation. They ended up begging Straczynski to come back and save the show, and he (I kid you not) came back on the proviso that he would only do SOME episodes, he would have full creative control over those episodes, and that he would only use the Junior Ghostbusters if he could have them be run over by a truck. Past Season 2, you can actually use Janine's glasses as a divining rod: if they're round, run away, if they're pointy, hit play.
@@CyberLance26Nah. There's ton of cartoons and kid movies that are of bad quality and treated as background noise so kids stop sperging out. Few exception don't prove they're better than live-action "adult" movies.
I don't disagree with you Drinker but I still enjoyed it. Bill Murray's Venkman lost none of his dry wit: "Tall, dark and horny at 12 o'clock" did make me chuckle. Many of us have fondness for the originals which perhaps makes us too forgiving of the new offerings.
I guess im just finally happy someone sees The Force Awakens for the lazy POS it really is that squandered a golden opportunity to have our heros together again one last time.
Yet again Critical Drinker has saved me two hours and $15. Thanks to him and the fact that there hasn't been any good films from Hollywood in years, I'm up to thousand of hours and dollars saved.
Yep, I was gonna take the family to see it at the cinemas today, but I think I'll pass in this economy and wait for it to arrive on Netflix. It just doesn't seem to be worth the dollars.
D.E.I. - Didn't Earn It. Truthfully, not having an original thought isn't a death knell, not being able to blend your stolen buts effectively is the problem. Steal the tone and bits all you want, but at least steal a theme to bring them all together, and steal a bit of the self-control that others have had. The problem here is the whole 'throw it all in.'
As an artist, I always get told by many people that the message and focus on ideologies help movies but....I always tell them...if thats the case why is Hollywood and Disney struggling and getting bunked by other films? Whats also sad is that they take good films and uss them to give a boost while at the same time turning it into crap. And you know they do this because if they made something new, no one would watch it. This also proves that we dont have a lot of people who CARE about their projects anymore. They do it for the money and just give us crap . I miss the days when we had a lot films that didnt focus on the minorities and cared to make something that was super good for everyone....even when it wasnt always a big success like Treasure Planet. And they wonder why the audience doesnt give a crap
I think what every attempt at a revival this franchise has missed from the original is that despite the fact the characters were college professors (for the most part) when it came to busting ghosts… they’re basically plumbers or exterminators. These aren’t super heroes, they’re a bunch of blue collar workers who more or less treat the supernatural like a stopped up toilet
Yeah, but with Hollywood mistakenly thinking the superhero fixation would go on forever, you can see where they'd make the mistake of trying to turn them into them. So because they're idiots who don't know what people want, they end up making shit, because they think it's what people want.
To expand a bit: they're lazy slackers who get fired from their cushy university jobs and have no marketable skills, so they end up running a dirty, disgusting, exhausting pest control business just to put food on the table. They end up being good at it, and by the end of the film have grown out of their original selfish attitudes to the point of sacrificing their own lives to save the city. The movie's a subtle paean to the virtue of hard work, humility and the working class man (pay attention to how the movie depicts any wealthy or professional character). The movie never beats you over the head with it because it doesn't have to; they knew how to be more subtle in those days. Every single Ghostbusters sequel has both forgotten this aspect of the first movie, and been aimed more at a female audience demographic. Hence the shite.
The trope of the genius teenager works in certain situations. Like Tony Stark makes sense, given his lineage, resources and his father pushing him to use his intelligence. Or a Star Trek character being a well educated genius at a young age makes sense because their society encourages high education to an extreme degree and has the technology and means for anyone to become an expert in pretty much any field at their own pace. But a kid living in a midwest town in the 90s doesn't have those resources, so it falls flat.
Did you know that Disney did a reboot of Doogie Howser as a female Hawaiian teenager in 2022-23? I didn't, until I looked up Doogie Howser to see if he had any female genius counterparts on that show in the 90s (the way the boys did in Big Bang Theory much later). Yup, it was called Doogie Kamealoha, M.D. Who the hell watched that?
Yeah definitely checks out with the 12 to 16 year olds that are absolutely killing it at the Nobel prizes in real life. Instead of trusting in the intellect of teenagers we need to raise the voting age higher, to 20-something would be nice, 22 or 25 best
one very important factor missing is: Harold Ramis. Dan Aykroyd is just in for a cash grabbing on whatever he can get his hands on. harold ramis was the one who put the nice details into things...
Find God, lift weights, eat steaks, learn to negotiate, learn survival skills, read, surround yourself with like-minded people, make babies and home school
What worked about the original movies is that each character had an understandable role. Egon was the straight-laced smart guy who provided the tech, Ray was the enthusiastic moral center of the group, Venkman was the charismatic hype-man and Winston was the grounded everyman. With the new movies every character tries to be every role and it muddies the water as to what they're going for.
I recently re-watched Ghostbusters with my 17 year old daughter with the premise that it's a ghost story and we laughed more. Surely a timeless classic.
We had a literal genius in my high school when I was growing up. He reprogrammed his Texas Instruments calculus calculator to play a digital animation of tweety bird hitting a baseball. This was before computers were in every home, before cell phones, before anything beyond boob tubes and NES. And it looked like it came off the drawing board by someone at WB. But he is a RARITY. Now movies make genius kids, specifically genius girls, look like they're around every corner. Plus, my friend is very strange and awkward around others. We all loved him and he is still a great friend, but he's on a level where we all just kinda nodded our heads and said okay, Sam, whatevs, and yet we still included him in everything. Phoebe is not a very good example of how real geniuses work in the real world.
I'm sure that guy was very intelligent, but did he invent any functioning particle beam weapons or dimensional gateways? Because that's the BS these new movies want us to believe, and what Drinker was pointing out.
The real 3rd Ghostbusters movie was a video game released in 2009. There have been no Ghostbusters media since then, it might as well not exist. Hey, there's an idea, Drinker, you should play that game on your gaming channel!
That's how I see it too. For me there is GB 01, GB 02 and the 2009 video game as the 3th movie. There is even a compilation of the cut scenes from the game and edited into a movie here on CZcams.
Man, I can still remember the furore caused by Ghostbusters 2016 and thinking "hmm, maybe movie studios will learn from this and not repeat their mistakes, let alone making these mistakes their very foundation"... But boy was I wrong
Phoebe character is how the usual modern female main lead felt like but somehow she's one level above them. The whole Frozen Empire incident was her fault, so she's not perfect & could still make mistake. She also have (tho minimum) a character development from being emo to trusting her family
@@MinecraftIsLoveMinecraftIsLifesame, it occurred to me that that’s what they were going for (because Hollywood of course), but as the movie went on nothing really implied that they were lesbian. They just seemed like friends, two kids that don’t have any friends, are socially outcast, and one’s dead. Idk, I feel like if this movie came out twenty years ago everyone would just assume they’re friends
I have yet to witness anyone give a plausible explanation for why they believe people want to pay money to see a teenage girl be smarter and faster and better and stronger and wittier than anyone who came before her. I’d hold my breath, but…
It’s fantasy fulfillment for the writers. Their life peaked when they were a young rebellious teenager proving how much better they were than their dads, and they want to capture that feeling in film.
I used to LOVE cinema. I took and taught a college class, read and researched and had a deep respect for some of the creatives. Nowadays I hardly consume TV or movies and this shift started with Force Awakens. Everything sucks: the CG, the lighting, setpieces, acting, storytelling, music...the message. At this point, let AI write the stories. I doubt it could be any worse.
Biggest problem is that this was a 30 minute episode of the Real Ghostbusters cartoon filled with additional characters and stretched to a feature length timeframe.
Hopefully they're starting to realize that people are sick of getting that crap ramrodded down their throats. Like great, we have to pollute less; no we aren't going to let you undermine the entire economy, no we don't care to hear about it 24-freaking-7 and no we don't take it seriously when the people shouting about it the loudest are the ones who pollute the most... Can't wait until they get over ramrodding "powerful" gay women into every movie too. I'm so sick of these people trying to make every minute of entertainment content feel like an LA Starbucks lounge.
7:25 - interesting take. It really does always seem like at those moments, someone has a platform to tell a man about himself and because they create the situation in a fictional film, the 'man' just has to stand there and 'reflect'.
I don’t know who needs to hear it - but I thought Kung Fu Panda 4 did a great job with the “passing the torch to a strong female character” thing. It seemed like the girl boss was bailing Po out in the final battle but it turned out he was testing/pushing her to step into his job. Then when the villain made the final move from “I think she’s done” to “OMG she’s alive” it was Po who dealt the final blow to teach one more lesson to his protege. On the other hand, I would be interested to see the first draft of the script before Jack Black finally agreed to sign on for a 4th movie.
J. Michael Straczynski was a major part of the original "Real Ghostbusters" cartoon. When he was invited to offer a plot for the reboot (all kids, with one in a wheelchair), he said he'd put them in a car, then have them all die in an accident. I suspect he would have offered similar advice for this movie.
You mean Extreme Ghostbusters? That one had a team of teenagers. One of them was in a wheelchair.
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@@williet.3058 weird thing is while he is a bit SJW, his works actually speak AGAINST that sort of woke crap. I mean FFS how do wokies think they are in the right when they are watching B5 and claiming Clark is Trump yet I don't remember Right Wing people pulling a Ministry of Truth or Ministry of Peace BS.
Cinema will not be saved until the "franchise" concept disappears. When they just start making films and stories again. Being creative, telling stories without DEI quotas....yeah that won't happen. Creativity is dead.
I wouldn’t say creativity is dead. The modern horror genre is filled with clever, creative, original stuff, usually well written, and well acted too. Yes, I’ll agree that there is also a great deal of horror that commit the same sins as other Hollywood movies, particularly franchises, but for every cliche or bad horror film, there’s a bloody inventive film that surprises viewers when we think there are no original ideas left.
It's the same malaise in big budget video games. Nearly every AAA title is part of a franchise and they all look and play kind of same-y (3rd person, single character, inhumanely agile). The studios just want to endlessly iterate of a 'sure thing' rather than trying anything new. And that's before even getting into the DEI stuff.
@@rigbygaming8296 I enjoy Horror, but I've seen very little that looks decent lately. But even if there are some inventive horror films out there, it's not really my favorite genre. I miss all the genres that used to exist: comedy, action, drama, romance, tragedy, historical, etc. and the mixtures of them. Historical comedy? Action romance? All gone (or at least really hard to find). It's all been pseudo sci-fi/fantasy with DEI quotas. (Action romance will feature only gay people. Historical comedy will just talk about the evils of white people). But I'll keep my fingers crossed.
@@generalursus-7224 I am a caveman with little to no internet access, let alone streaming. BUT, when the world comes crashing down, I still have my DVD's of "The Rat Patrol".
It blows my mind that Extreme Ghostbusters cartoon today seems to actually be better written than the nowaday Ghostbusters movies. Like, EB *does* have that "passing the torch", not only by having Egon as a mentor and mostly stay-back-at-the-base character, but also there is an episode about him getting actually too old for the field work, *and* the final episode has the orignal cast (who have moved past the ghostbusting in the meanswhile) to return back, kick one huge ghost's ass one last time, and then say "welp, that was fun, just like the old times, but defs not gonna do it again! But you guys are doing quite well on your own, so good luck and good bye!"
I likened both Afterlife and this one in particular to be basically live action rendentions of the cartoons. That's why I am not disappointed, they are basically what I expected.
I just love how we started with a ‘lightning in a bottle’ comedy, with humour and memorable upbeat music score. To now a dark, serious and leaning on key jangling nostalgia. For shame.
@@Fedorevsky I recall it being a well-received "love letter", commendably snubbing the 2016 remake and deserving of a fair hearing by malcontent critics. No one was crying: _What the hell is this miserable, boring elegy set in a f*cking corn field???_
Because thats what they want. They see that adults dont comsume the message but kids too so they have to get rid off obstacles. Trully vile ,,people" and im wondering why entire usa is not protesting right now?
Turns herself into a ghost so she can scissor with Melody. Gold.
Put a ghost in it. Make it lame and gay.
i sure hope she doesn’t get ghosted in the next film
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-The Critical Drinker
Probably just gave a movie producer in the "other" movie industry in Los Angeles an idea to use in a "Ghostbusters" parody movie. I would rather watch that one.
Hollywood plan is working:
Make something so terrible that subsequent movies that are just awful would look good in comparison.
It’s not working if you don’t watch it. We vote with our wallets so let’s show Hollywood this year to make quality movies or step off
I mean, it kind of worked for Rise of Skywalker. TLJ was such a giant dumpster fire, and ROS was... at least somewhat entertaining. (Please note: I did not say good, or any variation of that, I said "entertaining.")
Exhibit A: Godzilla X Kong
And you slop it up to be anti-woke
Yeah, I have been saying for a while it is weaponised contrast principle!
Pump out enough utter crap and fill it with over the top woke nonsense, and soon people will eagerly lap up mediocre movies that is somewhat subtle in its social engineering wokeness and claim the problem is fixed and good movies are back and wokeness is dead blah blah!
Imagine if the ghost girl was actually the demon in disguise, manipulating the feelings of a genius, yet emotionally vulnerable teenager into releasing its frozen nightmare unto the world, thus showing that genius girl, despite her vast technological expertise, is still just a kid with the critical judgement of: a kid
Proof that random people on the internet can write better movies than modern Hollywood.
Was thinking the same thing but yours is script worthy
Melody would have been made male if that was the case.
But like, isn't that what happens? Phoebe is manipulated by someone who she trusts. Trusts enough into letting her do the ghost walk thing infront of the orb.
That would have bordered a clever writing and no ESG bucks are paid for clever
"It becomes kind of depressing when you look at where we were, and where we are now."
That works for so many things.
Modern Hollywood to longtime fans: "Your time is over. This movie wasn't made for you."
Haven't movies always been made mostly for younger audiences? I mean people aged 18-34
*Five minutes later* “Hey where’d all our money go?”
Not the Godzilla franchise… except 1998.
"It's not for you" is such a fucking cop out.
If it's not for me, who is it for? Youngsters? Zoomers don't care about the franchises that us crusty old millennials and GenX liked.
@@pacmancdi Movies have definitely shifted to cater to a younger/stupider audience. But the OP refers to the ideological shift that view white men in particular as inherently oppressive and bad.
The entire modern entertainment industry can be described as "fatherless behaviour" and you can't change my mind.
I didn't have a father and I never act like them
@@GrosvnerMcaffreyBecause you probably have good judgment and the mental fortitude to distinguish right from wrong, unlike them.
@Lord_Deimos It goes with everything now. Since the wackos want to destroy the nuclear family because it's hip and cool and because they lack strong parental figures in their lives. There are people who were raised by a parent with a brain and cared about them, while others had a weak parent who wanted to be their friend or was dumb as a brick.
Awesome comment. Needs a Drinker deep dive.
Straight up facts
I'm truly amazed at how Lucky went from a waitress into being a qualified Engineer of some sort in just two years with no appreciable education. Almost as if the writers had to shoe horn her back in to keep the DEI boxes ticked or something.
7:27 …and there it was.
“This right here is what happens when a whole generation of fatherless children grow up into neurotic emotionally stunted adults and start writing movie scripts that have to deal with parental relationships.”
Drinker, you have nailed maybe one of the bigger societal issues that is hitting out society hard: lack of positive father (and mother) figures in familial relationships.
Unlike many other times when the Drinker nails a point (and I go “ya, take that crummy Hollywood establishment”)… this on-point remark just made me feel…. sad inside.
Yeah. Oof. I’ll be happy to see more good father movies.
This movie was written by Jason Reitman and Gil Kenan. So, how did they have no fathers yet clearly have fathers in their lives? The two contradict each other.
@@Concetta20 Did you forget who the writers of Frozen Empire are?
Dont pretend like a lack of good parental figures is new brother. Thats been the norm before we discovered fire.
@@sentientbeing8738 it’s not new, but it definitely ain’t better
It's sad, we don't expect anything good from Hollywood anymore.
True indeed. Hollywood no longer produces AAA quality stuff.
Well, Hollywood isn't the only movie producer in the world. Maybe it is time for other movie centrals to take over.
bro there are so many good movies and shows out there, it's not all slop from studios
@@StephenFord Well, don't just stand there, give us some examples.
@@sannyassi73we have Dune, spiderverse, Oppenheimer and more
My wife wonders why I watch nothing but 80s and 90s classics. THIS IS WHY
Because you're braindead? There are good movies comming out,not a lot, but there is
haha, i caught myself recently also watching the good old movie from back in the day. so much better than anything current.
Nothing wrong with that at all
I know , my mom gets pissed cuz I'd rather watch good 80s movies rather than download tik tok.
It's why I've started watching movies from the 30s and 40s.
"It turns out that driving down a crowded street in New York City, indiscriminately firing particle beam weapons, isn't the safest way to get around." Still safer than taking the NYC subway, these days.
There is no f'in way in heck I pay actual money to see a movie with Patton Oswalt AND Kumal Nanjiani in it.
“Well it wasn’t as bad as I thought” is pretty much how I sum up every movie I watch these days.
At least those which don't make you scream.
At least they TRY to entertain you instead of giving you a pounding headache with woke agendas.
Aside from Dune. Which was better than I could’ve hoped for.
maybe be more selective with the movies you watch
Stop watching movies. If you're even remotely anti-woke left you should have been boycotting that entire industry. Sail the seven seas. Become king of the pirates.
a super-genius little girlboss, who also just so happens to be a lesbian?
that's such an original, never-before-seen concept......
I love that we live in such abundance of creative minds making movies and video games
Yep how dare she be straight!!!!! Just happens to know to use all her grandpas technology without reading or studying at all.
To be fair, women physicists tend to be lesbians.
As a millennial man, it's something I totally identify with. Cant wait for them to Last of Us 2 everything I ever loved.
Just once I'd like the girl genius to be straight. It's pathetic that I would take that as a WIN at this point.
No creativity in Hollywood but yet theres writers striking. Only in America.
Nothing can ever come close to replacing the original Ghostbuster because that movie contained the single greatest line of dialogue ever penned into a screenplay: "Ssssh!, Listen!.....you smell that?"
We've now had 5 Ghostbusters films in 40 years and the first is still the highest grossing one, by quite a margin, adjust for inflation and it's not even close, worst diminishing returns in movie history. Sony need to accept that Ghostbusters was not destined to be a franchise and just put it to bed.
I'm going to disagree that it's the worst diminishing returns in movie history. I think that title currently belongs to the Terminator franchise. T2 is a modern classic, and it's absolutely gone off a cliff since then.
Ghostbusters 2 was awesome, despite the bad press
@@Power_Prawnstar It was mostly a bad rehash. And made little sense.
I personally love Ghostbusters 2 and Afterlife. 2016 and Frozen Empire are absolute dog shit though
Apologies if already shared, but I recently learned that in ‘84 Ghostbusters, a running gag is Louis being locked out of his apartment… and then going on to become the Keymaster. Subtle brilliance.
Huh.... good point. Thanks.
😂 i had never noticed that.
Ha! I never picked up on that.
Well my childhood just got upgraded.
The film has a bunch of subtle jokes that if you pay attention you'll catch
The original Ghostbusters were all seasoned comedians. They didn't have to act stupid or have dumb gags to be funny, they WERE funny. The story was pretty serious, but they Busters always took it stride.
The stories weren't serious at all.
Yes, the humor came from the characters being themselves in otherwise very horror vibe situations. Often to lighten the mood for themselves when they were unnerved. Ghostbusters always had a great blend of grounded light horror with a comedy from the characters personalities, rather than goofy gags.
Britain’s far left _The Guardian_ paper insists that, as stagnant as _Frozen Empire_ may be, all-girls _Ghostbusters ‘16_ remains ‘far more funny and still well worth a watch’ 🤣
@xOogieBoogie3x yeah they were. Two unsuspecting citizens get possesed by demi god beasts and bring forth an ancient god to wreak terrible death and destruction on the Earth.
Nah, sorry but I never got any vibe of seriousness from the original movies.
When Rudd said "Bustin' makes me feel good." I rolled my eyes so hard I think I pulled a muscle.
Did that actually happen or is this one of those "It's X-ing time" jokes?
The Ghostbusters song is LITERALLY a song in the movie. They do that in the second one ffs.
I think that was meant to be the feeling here - for both Gen-X'ers and beyond.
See, I have a sense of humor and laughed.
@@ganjacat8408 in Ghostbusters 2 the song was used to show how far the Ghostbusters had fallen, and the joke lasted about 5 seconds.
The first film was done so well, and seemingly simply. It opens with a scene of a traditional type of ghost being found. The audience doesn't care that it is unrelated to the rest of the story. The audience doesn't care how the equipment was made. A big chunk of their ghostbusting was a montage of magazine covers and hosts doing voice-over to add another layer of hype to the real world excitement of the movie. The guys were running through the streets carrying their traps, all of it filmed on the spot with regular people around them. No family angst. Nothing to rehash for no reason at all. No convoluted attempts to appeal to anything other than the sense of humor.
Patton Oswalt is always a sign you should think twice before seeing any movie.
Annoying creep, isn't he?
And that Indian guy.
@@bofa83So sick of Kumail Nanijani. He's got a great agent, but no talent whatsoever.
Underrated comment
Yes, indeed, thank you for this comment!
Are we starting to typecast Paul Rudd as the likeable, yet out-of-his-depth father figure to an unexplained science genius daughter who, despite said genius, does something monumentally stupid to cause movie plots? I mean, it's happened twice in two different franchises now, and it's a weirdly specific set of circumstances to happen twice, and pretty close together. Kind of like what Disney's done to Harrison Ford, destroying his marriage and estranging him from wife and son while making him washed up and past it in his two biggest franchises.
It's almost like the studios behind these movies have a certain MESSAGE they want to push.
Member when Disney used to care about families?
I never liked Paul Rudd. There was something off about him, like he's too effeminate or something. I only liked him in the original Ant Man.
Don't forget him playing the same role without the science genius daughter in "This is 40."
I didn't even make the connection with Harrison Ford because The Force Awakens came out so long ago, but it's true. WTF Disney?
That shot at Zendaya's chest came out of nowhere
Probably recency bias, due to Sydney Sweeney.
She's still super hot though
Much like Zendaya herself!
"It was better than I thought it would be" is the 2024 equivalent of a ringing endorsement.
The movie makes Extreme Ghostbusters look like a masterpiece
I feel like every Ghostbusters movie we get from now on will be like an apology for the crappy 2016 film.
Like Ash vs. Evil Dead was the apology for the useless Evil Dead remake.
Yeah, and I'm good with that. I enjoyed "Afterlife" and I haven't seen Frozen Empire yet, so...
Apology not accepted.
Yeah😂
You’re a sucker if you think they are apologizing.
Couldn’t resist shoehorning the agenda into a movie where it didn’t need to exist. Glad I saved my money. 😊
Winston Zeddmore had one of the most funny backgrounds ever in the original movie: Only a random black guy looking for a job, and he did not even believed in ghosts after all, however get hired by the team ( what shows that they were not racist EVEN in the 80's!) then Winston Zeddmore starts to realize that ghosts are real and in a real funny way. that, my friends, is what a character arc means.
Either he would've gotten paid for effectively nothing, or he would have to explore the field of real ghosts. A clear win-win situation either way.
And how did a guy that took a job “hunting ghosts” because he was broke and desperate, now be rich enough to bankroll everything?
@@franciscodanconia4324woke made it happen
Hes not going to be broke and desperate all his life. He most likely built his money from the ground up since he joined the ghostbusters.@franciscodanconia4324
@@mikedavis8008Nothing to do with the word "woke" especially since he was one of the original ghostbusters.
Out of everything that made this movie so unbelievable, it had to be, for me, the crimeless, peopleless, garbage and homeless free streets of NYC.
That was the biggest plot hole since plot holes were ever noticed or created.
Perfect metaphor for the sterility of modern Hollywood.
lol I was thinking the same thing. New York looked so clean and upkept. I wonder if one of the reasons for shooting on a London sound stage was because of the homeless problem in the actual locations.
I disagree that NYC has a higher amount crime, garbage and lots of homeless. I could name 100 filthier cities without trying.
That's so true, I noticed there were no people, especially around the firehouse at the end. They had the crowd, but the streets looked blocked. No pedestrians. I liked Avengers, but the process plate CGI NY didn't look as "real" as Superman '77.
That was my one positive take on the 1st Venom movie, at least they showed San Fransisco how I actually looks (homelessness rampant) more faithfully than MCU's Antman movies.
Vizzini: " You fell victim to one of the classic blunders. The most famous is never get involved in a land war in Asia. But only slightly less well known is this; never make a sequel to a Bill Murray movie! Let alone a franchise!"
its okay as long as it is a cartoon or in video game format. So just a movie sequel.
What about: "Don't make a sequel to a Jim Carrey movie without Jim Carrey" ? ;-)
Hah hah hah hah hah ha..
Hollywood: We made another Ghostbusters movie!
Me: You keep using that word - I do not think it means what you think it means.
@@tommyirvine5261 ... then he fell dead.
"Peck was marginal because he was only there to fuck things up"
My whole life is Walter Peck.
The ghostbusters videogame will always be the ultimate version of the ghostbusters ever created, hands down bar none. Written by Dan and Harold, starring the whole cast, it simply can’t be beat.
I like how Bill Murray for twenty plus years refused to do a Ghostbusters sequel but after Harold Ramis dies he'll do any GB related movie no matter how bad it is, like damn man, he just should have kept saying no.
Royalties are drying up.
Yep. If he wasn't going to do it when the original team was alive, he should have just kept saying no.
You can see him dying slowing inside in the GB 2016 group interviews with the ladies. But it was paid work.
@@riccyhandy2503 He certainly looks dead on the poster for _this_ movie
Easy there princess. He wasn't in the last film. You going to begrudge man getting paid for something he helped start in the first place?
"Teenagers are annoying..."
As a teenager I completely agree!
As a teenager as well I agree as well
As a teenager I agree.
As a 64-year-old timer I totally agree
I didn’t like teenagers when I was a teenager either. High school was outright torture because I had to have classes with them. They were all immature and annoying, which made class drag on because the teachers couldn’t get their lessons done without the idiots chiming in.
Purely from my anecdotal evidence; People will only stop being annoying when they croak
Didn't expect Zendaya to catch a stray 🤣
Casting her of all people as MJ was probably one of the worst decisions in comic book movie history. Have hated her for that ever since. And not to mention that she also happens to be an activist.
This is why I like Tubi so much. The Prisoner, Secret Agent Man, Thunderbirds, Babylon 5, Farscape. That’s just the tv shows.
The original film was written by Ackroyd in peak creative form, while John Belushi was still alive. These films are all written by industry hacks who know they have to stay within the lines and check all the right boxes.
It says written by jason reitman and gil keenan in the credits, both are far from hacks
yeah the 1st draft was written by Ackroyd but it was changed a fair bit for the better by Harold Ramis and Ivan Reitman over a 2 week re-write where they all got high in a cabin.
Films written by guys who earned their slot busting their chops actually loving and working for years, decades. As opposed to now where sex, ethnicity, and sexual fetishist are your resume.
They don’t have to, they choose to. It’s slowly flipping back though. Money talks, just gotta keep avoiding the traps and not giving them money to make them, they’ll figure it out.
And Dan Akroyd>>>>>>>>>> DONT buy into the CACA >>>>> theres no gay lesbian shit. ACTUALLY >>> that character has a GREAT twist I wouldnt want to ruin any more >>> ALL I can say is >>> ITS ACTUALLY AWESOME, go see it..>
I mean, theres a good quality version you can download and watch ffs. Its a great movie.
I remember a story about BTTF that they changed the time machine to a car because they didnt want children getting stuck in Fridges(original idea). Yet here we have a child literally killing themselves to be with their ghost friend. Thats just disturbing.
Just spreading the good word of the Universal Healthcare to the North...
I find it disturbing how much I'm seeing teenage suicide in movies and books aimed at kids.
Thats responsible film making right there. Instead now a days they don't think about any of that.
@@MaryRohwer They are just trying to make them relatable.
Hey! Being dead is part of someone's identity too, and telling someone they can't be who they think they are is Verboten. 😊
So glad you touched on Melody's age... When she said she was forever 16, I looked to my GF and we both laughed with a 'plus VAT....'
That being said, she should have been the main enemy rather than Ghost of Christmas Yet To Come....
It’s a sad state when “bad” is a compliment
The biggest problem is: they're desperately trying to turn Ghostbusters into a modern style, PG-13 franchise like the MCU, completely ignoring that the original movie was basically an 80's comedy with the typical subversive, raunchy, sarcastic & anarchistic humor from that era that works even if you take out the whole ghost hunting and replace it with something else, like I dunno an alien invasion or something. They actually tried this, with the movie ''Evolution'', where they copied the formula of Ghostbusters but with aliens and it failed.
We didn't watch it for the ghost hunting, we watched it for the witty & sarcastic humor and the famous comedians, who were on their creative peak, that it featured.
It was ''lightning in a bottle'' and it can't be replicated, specially by the hacks that are running today's Hollywood movie industry.
This is exactly the problem. Ghostbusters has become yet another kiddie "franchise", replacing anything subversive and clever with silly, family-friendly hijinks. I expect Beetlejuice 2 to be the same way. Not that it wasn't already pretty family-ish, but I expect that to be dialed up to 11.
It became a PG 13 franchise with Ghostbusters 2, and before that with the cartoon
@@GiovanniAlckmimRusso It did, which is why most people dislike the second movie compared to the first. The cartoon was fine for children under 10. Problem is everything is slowing being catered to that demographic.
@@bassanimation doesn't mean the franchise got bad for being more kid friendly. Both Ghostbusters 2 and Afterlife have a solid story and Afterlife has the most emotional moment of the entire franchise. I still haven't seen Frozen Empire as it'll only release here in Brazil less than two weeks from now, so I can't say anything about that one.
There was some good humor in this movie. It was one of the best parts.
''turns herself into a ghost so she can scissor with melanie or something." LOL.
Not only was Garraka's plan extremely convoluted, but it completely hinged on the change of Phoebe either being gay or bi-curious. Had Phoebe been straight or even asexual, it would have failed from the start.
@@46sn29 I didn't see this at all when I watched it, I saw it simply as Phoebe finding a friend. I didn't see a sexual angle at all.
@@VideoArchiveGuy _Every_ character relationship is sexual is you ask the "right" part of the fandom
I've seen some bad movies in the past few years so I consider this higher than the Drinker does. They're definitely trying to do fan service, even if it's hit or miss. My issue was that the plot's main turning point didn't make sense.
1. A mysterious cold ghost is moving through the city, manipulating events
2. Cold ghost is released due to his manipulating the teen ghostbuster
Hold on, how could he arrange his escape from the ghost prison while stuck in the ghost prison? We see the frost spirit moving around the city streets well before he's ever set loose.
Drinker has that same problem that all (good) modern film critics have that I keep pointing out: as soon as you refer to a movie series as a ‘franchise’ you are guaranteed only one absolute certainty: standardized, cooky cutter shite pooped out on a conveyer belt.
Keep your hopes going on a ‘franchise’ and you’ll never be disappointed in being disappointed
It bothers me they use the Ecto-1, which was on its last leg and got replaced by the Ecto-1A in Ghostbusters II. I also think it would be nice if they acknowledged Rick Moranis in any way, like Janine possibly having the last name Tully.
Hopefully that bank commercial Reynolds’s shot with Moranis inspires a Tully return
@@redneckranger2144 He was working in the firehouse in GB II as well. During the Run-DMC montage you see him telling them how to bill the customers and running into Slimer.
Any reason why they totally ignore him? Hes still alive.
Can you imagine them trying to cram one more character in though? It's already too bloated. That being said I would rather have moranis than any of the new characters.
@@redneckranger2144 He works in the firehouse in GB II as well, shown during the Run-DMC montage.
How could you ignore Janine!!!!
The originals also had our lovely, sassy, super-smart assistant!
She didnt need to be a girlboss to be impactful and memorable!
That was then, this is now.
'Dropping off or picking up?' with that look on her face..
She was so incredible in every scene.
@@invarietateconcordia1988😂 she was a riot
@@invarietateconcordia1988 Annie Potts is a treasure; she easily held her own against Bill Murray in delivering blisteringly laconic, deadpan remarks throughout the film, and that's no mean feat. One thing Ghostbusters II undeniably got perfectly right was to give her tons of screen time to further explore Janine's character.
I'm actually pretty sideways that Drinker completely ignored her in this review.
I thought Prey was pretty good.
This always bugged me. Walter Peck was right, he was always right.
They were running around with unlicensed nuclear accelerators in the original and endangering a minor in this one.
They were *both* arguably right, in the original (which is how you write actually interesting conflict into a script), and both Peck and Venkman were complete dicks to each other about it (which is how you generate like 75% of the rest of the plot; if Venkman had been a reasonable, sincere person and got along with Peck and the university board, the movie would've been about 30 minutes long and really, really bland). The Ghostbusters were right in that ghosts were actually real, and those unlicensed nuclear accelerators were necessary to avert the apocalypse in the end, but Peck was right in that *they were dumping hazardous supernatural waste in their basement all along,* and that ended up being part of the trigger for the apocalypse in the first place!
@@tommcewan7936 And the lesson of this story: Get a license before you start storing ectoplasmic entities in your basement.
@@EvilDoresh I'm sure the Ghostbusters got a business license, probably for house cleaning.
Well.. yeeeaa.. but he was also a Class A1 Douchebag in his approach... so y'know kinda deserved to get smothered in melted Mt Staypuft. I was hoping Gozer might have dragged him screaming forthwith into the nearest convenient parallel dimension.
Everything was fine until dickless shut off the containment system.
I was a teenager/20s in the 80s and 90s and I honestly believe it was close to the peak of human creativity. The sheer amount of creativity in music, tv and movies when I was young was astounding compared to today. I'm not sure there's many creative people left, they're all just pale imitations of past heroes.
Don Simpson's idea of the High Concept. It's completely lost on all of Hollywood except Tom Cruise.
Thats why Skynet kept resetting humanity back to the 90s inside the matrix by the time we get to the 2020s we have become an extremely unhappy world.
@@DominicZelenak Even Back To The Future 2 made a joke about it in Marty's future, with Jaws 12 or whatever. It predicted that people in the future would just copy other people's original ideas just to make money, and here we are, living it.
@@aldunlop4622 good point. It's a franchise with competent producers and talented story tellers. And even though it's popular to hate Back to the Future 2, it's still a guilty pleasure of mine.
@@DominicZelenak I’m absolutely certain that unless things change, there will be some cynical remake of Back to the Future, probably with a female lead because modern feminist creators have “see themselves” in it. They have no understanding of source material or love or a sense of humour, they just want to destroy the past for their own petty personal insecurities.
It's incredible that The Real Ghostbusters, the 80s animated show, had better writers than the current films in the franchise. The animated series had memorable episodes (the Boogeyman episode left an entire generation of eighties children traumatized), which gave development to the characters of the original film and expanded the narrative universe... at least until the 3rd season. It would be so easy for today's writers to return to this series and be inspired by some of this episodes... but that would require an intellectual effort that they clearly lack.
Animated shows and movies are often way more well made than live-action stuff its just that most people sadly dont care about animated shows and movies so they never notice that.
Sadly, they also went through something of a proto "modern Hollywood" event too. A consulting firm called Q5, which claimed to be a group of seasoned child psychology experts, was hired to improve the show. It turned out they were just a bunch of Karens and soccer moms without even a shred of psychology training or experience, and they gave a ton of tone-deaf demands like "Make Janine loving and maternal because she's a woman, and lose the pointy glasses because kids are scared of pointy things", "Make Winston the driver, because putting him in a subservient role to the others couldn't possibly be seen as bad or offensive", "Make Slimer the main character", and "Junior Ghostbusters." Basically they completely gutted the show of everything that made it charming, likable, and funny, J. Michael Straczynski quit in absolute disgust, and the show went from winning Daytime Emmys to being at risk of cancellation. They ended up begging Straczynski to come back and save the show, and he (I kid you not) came back on the proviso that he would only do SOME episodes, he would have full creative control over those episodes, and that he would only use the Junior Ghostbusters if he could have them be run over by a truck. Past Season 2, you can actually use Janine's glasses as a divining rod: if they're round, run away, if they're pointy, hit play.
@@CyberLance26Nah. There's ton of cartoons and kid movies that are of bad quality and treated as background noise so kids stop sperging out. Few exception don't prove they're better than live-action "adult" movies.
I don't disagree with you Drinker but I still enjoyed it.
Bill Murray's Venkman lost none of his dry wit: "Tall, dark and horny at 12 o'clock" did make me chuckle. Many of us have fondness for the originals which perhaps makes us too forgiving of the new offerings.
I guess im just finally happy someone sees The Force Awakens for the lazy POS it really is that squandered a golden opportunity to have our heros together again one last time.
Yet again Critical Drinker has saved me two hours and $15. Thanks to him and the fact that there hasn't been any good films from Hollywood in years, I'm up to thousand of hours and dollars saved.
I’m gonna be honest. I saw the film with zero expectations and i quite enjoyed it. It’s no Oscar nominee but it’s a fun movie.
Hardcore Ghostbusters fans should see this. Casuals can skip it.
Yep, I was gonna take the family to see it at the cinemas today, but I think I'll pass in this economy and wait for it to arrive on Netflix. It just doesn't seem to be worth the dollars.
@@reecelamberth1083 From what I've seem, kids really seem to like this one.
$15 ?
A movie ticket in my area is like $20-$30.
Between recent Ghost Busters and Indiana Jones movies, clearly demonstrates that Hollywood hasn’t one original thought in their heads.
Didn't they fire all the professional, trained screenwriters and replace them with hack-writing scabs during a strike like a decade ago, or something?
D.E.I. - Didn't Earn It.
Truthfully, not having an original thought isn't a death knell, not being able to blend your stolen buts effectively is the problem. Steal the tone and bits all you want, but at least steal a theme to bring them all together, and steal a bit of the self-control that others have had. The problem here is the whole 'throw it all in.'
As an artist, I always get told by many people that the message and focus on ideologies help movies but....I always tell them...if thats the case why is Hollywood and Disney struggling and getting bunked by other films?
Whats also sad is that they take good films and uss them to give a boost while at the same time turning it into crap. And you know they do this because if they made something new, no one would watch it.
This also proves that we dont have a lot of people who CARE about their projects anymore. They do it for the money and just give us crap . I miss the days when we had a lot films that didnt focus on the minorities and cared to make something that was super good for everyone....even when it wasnt always a big success like Treasure Planet.
And they wonder why the audience doesnt give a crap
Brother. I didn’t even know this movie was a thing. WHO THE FUCK ASKED FOR THIS MOVIE.
I think what every attempt at a revival this franchise has missed from the original is that despite the fact the characters were college professors (for the most part) when it came to busting ghosts… they’re basically plumbers or exterminators. These aren’t super heroes, they’re a bunch of blue collar workers who more or less treat the supernatural like a stopped up toilet
That is a very good insight.
I also believe this franchise works better as a ghost of the week cartoon than a movie.
Yeah, but with Hollywood mistakenly thinking the superhero fixation would go on forever, you can see where they'd make the mistake of trying to turn them into them. So because they're idiots who don't know what people want, they end up making shit, because they think it's what people want.
To expand a bit: they're lazy slackers who get fired from their cushy university jobs and have no marketable skills, so they end up running a dirty, disgusting, exhausting pest control business just to put food on the table. They end up being good at it, and by the end of the film have grown out of their original selfish attitudes to the point of sacrificing their own lives to save the city. The movie's a subtle paean to the virtue of hard work, humility and the working class man (pay attention to how the movie depicts any wealthy or professional character). The movie never beats you over the head with it because it doesn't have to; they knew how to be more subtle in those days. Every single Ghostbusters sequel has both forgotten this aspect of the first movie, and been aimed more at a female audience demographic. Hence the shite.
Absolutely
Movies in Hollywood have only trope now: We hate you.
But they must cater to the overseas audience that can assure the gross profit to cover production costs...
@@caronstout354 uuuh uh uh, they need to split the cash with theatres still!
@@caronstout354The same audience that covers Chadwick Boseman face? They totally understand inclusivity
@@caronstout354 I am the overseas audience. :)
Bruh
I am learning so much about film making and script writing from these podcasts!
Got to love the old stories of the Ghost Busters sloving problems but the new cast causes them
Phoebe got the guy in the Vape Shop Killed and It's Never Addressed in the Movie.
"Bustin' doesn't make me feel good anymore". Best one liner ever, Crit.
This is one film I would still be happy to give a chance.
Tatiana will be disappointed.
"Bustin' makes me feel good" sounds like a classic porn line. Like Ron Jeremy playing a cop.
That line took me by surprise
The trope of the genius teenager works in certain situations.
Like Tony Stark makes sense, given his lineage, resources and his father pushing him to use his intelligence. Or a Star Trek character being a well educated genius at a young age makes sense because their society encourages high education to an extreme degree and has the technology and means for anyone to become an expert in pretty much any field at their own pace.
But a kid living in a midwest town in the 90s doesn't have those resources, so it falls flat.
It's ludicrous. Same with the Marvel M-SHE-U having several teenage geniuses like Riri Willimas and Shuri. It's annoying AF and unbelievable 🙄🙄🙄
Did you know that Disney did a reboot of Doogie Howser as a female Hawaiian teenager in 2022-23? I didn't, until I looked up Doogie Howser to see if he had any female genius counterparts on that show in the 90s (the way the boys did in Big Bang Theory much later). Yup, it was called Doogie Kamealoha, M.D. Who the hell watched that?
Yeah definitely checks out with the 12 to 16 year olds that are absolutely killing it at the Nobel prizes in real life. Instead of trusting in the intellect of teenagers we need to raise the voting age higher, to 20-something would be nice, 22 or 25 best
Real Genius is the best of this trope.
It's all Harry Potter shit anyway. That 'science' is just like magic.
Bill Murray was right all along. There never should have been sequels to the original movie.
one very important factor missing is: Harold Ramis.
Dan Aykroyd is just in for a cash grabbing on whatever he can get his hands on.
harold ramis was the one who put the nice details into things...
At least him and Dan did make Ghostbusters the video game the real third movie
Find God, lift weights, eat steaks, learn to negotiate, learn survival skills, read, surround yourself with like-minded people, make babies and home school
Couple flashing neon red signs in that paragraph yikes.
Andrew Tate is that you?
Sounds closed minded.
Adopt or use a surrogate to avoid 18 years of baby jail.
Do you do any of these things yourself?
What worked about the original movies is that each character had an understandable role. Egon was the straight-laced smart guy who provided the tech, Ray was the enthusiastic moral center of the group, Venkman was the charismatic hype-man and Winston was the grounded everyman. With the new movies every character tries to be every role and it muddies the water as to what they're going for.
AND they all took potshot teasing at one another which I will unapologetically say is easier when there's no woman in the group dynamic.
So true!!
@@wefinishthisnow3883Jesus it’s like yall are allergic to vagina 😂
Why does Trevor have the face of a blobfish when he grimaces?
I recently re-watched Ghostbusters with my 17 year old daughter with the premise that it's a ghost story and we laughed more. Surely a timeless classic.
We had a literal genius in my high school when I was growing up. He reprogrammed his Texas Instruments calculus calculator to play a digital animation of tweety bird hitting a baseball. This was before computers were in every home, before cell phones, before anything beyond boob tubes and NES. And it looked like it came off the drawing board by someone at WB. But he is a RARITY. Now movies make genius kids, specifically genius girls, look like they're around every corner. Plus, my friend is very strange and awkward around others. We all loved him and he is still a great friend, but he's on a level where we all just kinda nodded our heads and said okay, Sam, whatevs, and yet we still included him in everything. Phoebe is not a very good example of how real geniuses work in the real world.
Reprogramming calculators to play games sounds so cool regardless of the time period. I mean even now I would like to learn how to do that
I'm sure that guy was very intelligent, but did he invent any functioning particle beam weapons or dimensional gateways? Because that's the BS these new movies want us to believe, and what Drinker was pointing out.
3:00 They did tell how much time passed since the previous film, two years.
"To think that two years ago I was your science teacher"
I don't get how one movie can basically say a kid is to young to hunt ghosts, but it old enough for a romantic situation with a ghost.
The real 3rd Ghostbusters movie was a video game released in 2009. There have been no Ghostbusters media since then, it might as well not exist. Hey, there's an idea, Drinker, you should play that game on your gaming channel!
No Ghostbusters afterlife Is a thing
It got a remaster and looks great, it’s probably the only Ghostbusters related thing I’ve ever liked tbh
@@sergeantzack1106 Leave
@@sergeantzack1106 And so is explosive violent diarrhea, doesn't make it a good thing to endure.
That's how I see it too. For me there is GB 01, GB 02 and the 2009 video game as the 3th movie. There is even a compilation of the cut scenes from the game and edited into a movie here on CZcams.
Man, I can still remember the furore caused by Ghostbusters 2016 and thinking "hmm, maybe movie studios will learn from this and not repeat their mistakes, let alone making these mistakes their very foundation"...
But boy was I wrong
Love this
Okay then
The amount of audible sighs when the first melody scene was playing was hilarious, no one wanted her in this movie.
Phoebe character is how the usual modern female main lead felt like but somehow she's one level above them. The whole Frozen Empire incident was her fault, so she's not perfect & could still make mistake. She also have (tho minimum) a character development from being emo to trusting her family
A female protagonist that likes ladies? Wow. Such original. Much brave.
praise?
I thought she just wanted a friend.
Why are they so over-represented in media? They make up 1-2% of the population.
@@MinecraftIsLoveMinecraftIsLifesame, it occurred to me that that’s what they were going for (because Hollywood of course), but as the movie went on nothing really implied that they were lesbian. They just seemed like friends, two kids that don’t have any friends, are socially outcast, and one’s dead. Idk, I feel like if this movie came out twenty years ago everyone would just assume they’re friends
@@YapperClipsit’s 2024 bro, we can’t assume friendship anymore 🤣
"Busting doesn't make me feel good anymore". Real good choice of words Drinker
I have yet to witness anyone give a plausible explanation for why they believe people want to pay money to see a teenage girl be smarter and faster and better and stronger and wittier than anyone who came before her. I’d hold my breath, but…
and it's not like we don't have examples of how to write strong female characters well, even teenage ones
It’s fantasy fulfillment for the writers. Their life peaked when they were a young rebellious teenager proving how much better they were than their dads, and they want to capture that feeling in film.
You sound so fragile. What a beta ha!
I dont get it as well, who are they aming for? I couldn't stand her
That didn’t happen tho…
I will give this one (and the girl who's The Key to Everything in New Empire) a nod: she at least realizes and openly admits she screwed up.
I seriously believe that Kenan has never seen the original Ghostbusters, but he's had important scenes described to him.
“…so she can scissor with Melody or something…”. 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣❤️
Yeah, that was hilarious. 😂
So I'm not the only one who picked up on the subtexts?
@@whoami7721 subtext? The movie practically hit the audience over the head with a hammer with the girl on (ghost) girl thing
scissor me timbers
@radrobd123 yeah, I guess I was trying to ignore what was staring me in the face.
Hollywood making teenager gruuming a plot point in one of their movies? Colour me surprised.
Where’s the grooming?
Ok British with your British spelling.
@@WinWinWoo did you not see the video? The 20 something ghost bish that looks 30, and has the big gay for the 15 yo
@@RumourdProdwhat? Was that supposed to be an insult?
@@kevinroche3334 you meant "insoult"
I used to LOVE cinema. I took and taught a college class, read and researched and had a deep respect for some of the creatives. Nowadays I hardly consume TV or movies and this shift started with Force Awakens. Everything sucks: the CG, the lighting, setpieces, acting, storytelling, music...the message.
At this point, let AI write the stories. I doubt it could be any worse.
Biggest problem is that this was a 30 minute episode of the Real Ghostbusters cartoon filled with additional characters and stretched to a feature length timeframe.
What the Hell was a Firebender from Avatar doing in this ? 🤔
Honestly I'm more surprised that I haven't heard any arguments about climate change associated with a movie where the antagonist is ice-themed.
Hopefully they're starting to realize that people are sick of getting that crap ramrodded down their throats. Like great, we have to pollute less; no we aren't going to let you undermine the entire economy, no we don't care to hear about it 24-freaking-7 and no we don't take it seriously when the people shouting about it the loudest are the ones who pollute the most... Can't wait until they get over ramrodding "powerful" gay women into every movie too. I'm so sick of these people trying to make every minute of entertainment content feel like an LA Starbucks lounge.
they'd write themselves into a corner if they did that.
The older audience wouldn't go and see it. The entire reason for these Ghostbusters movies existing is nostalgia bait.
The Ghostbusters have to save New York? I'm rooting for the demon, then.
Haha that's exactly what I thought
Same
I am glad you mentioned why ghosts look different compared to melody. I came up with a bit of lore or my own to ease the curiosity 😺
Movie review tag line of the year, “bustin doesn’t make me feel good anymore”. Slice of fried gold.
Ghostbusters: The Video Game (2009) was Ghostbusters 3.
It's the only thing after the second movie that treated the franchise with respect.
Yes yep and yeah
I agree 100%
Another timely reminder to keep on expanding my growing collection of classic DVDs and Blu-rays.
I've got hundreds of both and they're not going anywhere anytime soon. Hell I just got three new ones for Christmas a while back.
@@jimthar17 Plus no annoying politicised adverts!
7:25 - interesting take. It really does always seem like at those moments, someone has a platform to tell a man about himself and because they create the situation in a fictional film, the 'man' just has to stand there and 'reflect'.
I don’t know who needs to hear it - but I thought Kung Fu Panda 4 did a great job with the “passing the torch to a strong female character” thing.
It seemed like the girl boss was bailing Po out in the final battle but it turned out he was testing/pushing her to step into his job. Then when the villain made the final move from “I think she’s done” to “OMG she’s alive” it was Po who dealt the final blow to teach one more lesson to his protege.
On the other hand, I would be interested to see the first draft of the script before Jack Black finally agreed to sign on for a 4th movie.
J. Michael Straczynski was a major part of the original "Real Ghostbusters" cartoon. When he was invited to offer a plot for the reboot (all kids, with one in a wheelchair), he said he'd put them in a car, then have them all die in an accident. I suspect he would have offered similar advice for this movie.
If judged by certain tropes in Babylon 5, he's been a sjw for quite a long time
You mean Extreme Ghostbusters? That one had a team of teenagers. One of them was in a wheelchair.
@@williet.3058 weird thing is while he is a bit SJW, his works actually speak AGAINST that sort of woke crap.
I mean FFS how do wokies think they are in the right when they are watching B5 and claiming Clark is Trump yet I don't remember Right Wing people pulling a Ministry of Truth or Ministry of Peace BS.
That's when they trued to add the "Junior Ghostbusters", which EVERYONE (including kids) hated. Luckily they only appeared twice.
@@williet.3058 I'm trying to think what you mean.. been a while since I saw it but I can't recall any obvious SJW tropes, what are you referring to?
Cinema will not be saved until the "franchise" concept disappears. When they just start making films and stories again. Being creative, telling stories without DEI quotas....yeah that won't happen. Creativity is dead.
I wouldn’t say creativity is dead. The modern horror genre is filled with clever, creative, original stuff, usually well written, and well acted too.
Yes, I’ll agree that there is also a great deal of horror that commit the same sins as other Hollywood movies, particularly franchises, but for every cliche or bad horror film, there’s a bloody inventive film that surprises viewers when we think there are no original ideas left.
It's the same malaise in big budget video games. Nearly every AAA title is part of a franchise and they all look and play kind of same-y (3rd person, single character, inhumanely agile). The studios just want to endlessly iterate of a 'sure thing' rather than trying anything new. And that's before even getting into the DEI stuff.
Finally someone who does some real critique
@@rigbygaming8296 I enjoy Horror, but I've seen very little that looks decent lately. But even if there are some inventive horror films out there, it's not really my favorite genre. I miss all the genres that used to exist: comedy, action, drama, romance, tragedy, historical, etc. and the mixtures of them. Historical comedy? Action romance? All gone (or at least really hard to find). It's all been pseudo sci-fi/fantasy with DEI quotas. (Action romance will feature only gay people. Historical comedy will just talk about the evils of white people). But I'll keep my fingers crossed.
Got it.
Wait for a copy to show up in the Goodwill bin.
Or watch Online for free, If you're Bored enough.
@@generalursus-7224
I am a caveman with little to no internet access, let alone streaming.
BUT, when the world comes crashing down, I still have my DVD's of "The Rat Patrol".
The Rat Patrol?
Christopher George and Eric Breadon were great on that Show.
Curious as to why we never saw any actual Rats in any of the episodes? 🤔
@@generalursus-7224
It's a poser.
I just remember watching in the 60's,
"The RAT Patrol!! In TECHNICOLOR!!!"
Ghostbuster Afterlife was basically the same formula as The force Awakens.
It blows my mind that Extreme Ghostbusters cartoon today seems to actually be better written than the nowaday Ghostbusters movies. Like, EB *does* have that "passing the torch", not only by having Egon as a mentor and mostly stay-back-at-the-base character, but also there is an episode about him getting actually too old for the field work, *and* the final episode has the orignal cast (who have moved past the ghostbusting in the meanswhile) to return back, kick one huge ghost's ass one last time, and then say "welp, that was fun, just like the old times, but defs not gonna do it again! But you guys are doing quite well on your own, so good luck and good bye!"
Honestly, even the old "The Real Ghostbusters" cartoon was pretty damned good, especially for animated shows of its era.
I likened both Afterlife and this one in particular to be basically live action rendentions of the cartoons. That's why I am not disappointed, they are basically what I expected.
I just love how we started with a ‘lightning in a bottle’ comedy, with humour and memorable upbeat music score.
To now a dark, serious and leaning on key jangling nostalgia. For shame.
Why did no one say that about _Afterlife_ ? Neither looked nor sounded anything like a fun, enthusiastic Ghostbusters film.
@@beingsshepherdSo true and also a key jangling film. Worst a reused storyline and main villain .
@@beingsshepherd A lot of people did, that movie was junk too.
@@Fedorevsky I recall it being a well-received "love letter", commendably snubbing the 2016 remake and deserving of a fair hearing by malcontent critics.
No one was crying: _What the hell is this miserable, boring elegy set in a f*cking corn field???_
@@beingsshepherd Yeah I don't remember anyone crying either. But a lot of people disliked it.
The Whole World Sucks When you compare it to the World of Yesterday. Thanks Drinker!
What’s disturbing is this push of teens offing themselves in books and movies marketed to kids.
Because thats what they want. They see that adults dont comsume the message but kids too so they have to get rid off obstacles. Trully vile ,,people" and im wondering why entire usa is not protesting right now?
Agree plots are so convoluted these days it really makes you realize how concise movies of the past were.