What If Spiderman Kept The Venom Symbiote?
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Peter actually got a good life at the end of this. Which is saying a lot considering his current writers have a fetish with screwing up his life for no apparent reason.
Current writers? How long you been reading the comic my friend. Spiderman doesn't get happy ever after.
@@Enterprising_Aim yeah, but MJ wasn't cheating on him when the earlier writers were in charge.
Not in print atleast.
@@tusharroymukherjee3370 they need to use new life-destruction methods when the common ones get too old
@@Enterprising_Aim Congrats, you've just been made a Marvel editor.
@@Enterprising_Aim Regardless, it's still such a hamfisted way of creating drama that really showcases the writers own lack of talent. Maybe not the first time, but at this point it's like writing a horror movie that goes like "The man threatened the life / innocence of a beautiful young woman". Makes me wonder how many lunch breaks it took to write. Maybe try something to create tension that is less obvious than the color of grass and more difficult to come up with than watching the nightly news?
Symbiote Spiderman is still my favorite and most preferred Spiderman to this day. I still can't accept that Peter Parker's hyperintellect couldn't find a way to coexist with the symbiote like nearly every user that came after him.
And yet Gwen could?
Every reader loves the symbionte so marvel milk it back to the story but when he first appear is like adderall/cocaine Spiderman, he is more powerfull and productive for a time but he is also more agressive and volatile, his morals get weaker and every person near him is telling him to chill and go to Mordor and spit that shit into Orodruin using the eagles insted of walking with Sam and a hobbit-junkie
I agree 100% tons of people have bonded with Venom, but every story with Peter just makes him a monster. Like is Venom even evil in the current storyline. Idk it just seems like the idea of Spiderman just holding back has over taken many of his alternate stories. I love Venom and the Symbiotes in general definitely my favorite part of marvel.
@@m4eou wtf is you talking about homie?
@@KyzenEX some lord of the rings i guess. Idek
Bro didn’t even tell MJ about black cat😂😂
Black cat definitely got one hell of an STD
He doesn't have to tell her anymore. MJ is for the streets now
MJ had 2 kids with Psoime random guy without a symbiote controlling her.
If I weren't such a gentleman I'd tell everyone that I was with Black Cat.
@@patrickacosta7031 thanks to Zeb and his god awful writing
Really hope Marvel finds a way to retcon it
This reminds me of another What if I remember reading, where the heroes never returned from Secret Wars and this is where Spidey gets his symbiote suit for the first time as well. Since the heroes never return to Earth, Peter remained bonded to suit without ever finding out what it was, so fast forward a bit ahead where the other heroes have children, when the symbiote accidentally gets unbonded, the heroes only find out then that Peter was long gone & the suit was still attached to Peter's Skeleton, unrelenting in leaving from it's "first love".
Name of comic?
Ey yo? Name?
It's from What if? Vol.1, # 114
DAAAAAAAMN THAT'S DARK AF
@@ehoraida5900 of course it’s dark. It’s a writer writing about Spider-Man.
If he kept the suit. Am sure he would of fallowed SHOCKER TO THE ENDS OF THE EARTH!
...I understood that reference.
@@ChaplainPhantasm ok captain America
Haha I love that show
GET BACK HERE SHOCKER
SHOCKEEERRR!!!
The fact Electro couldn't stop him really leads me to wonder how incompetent he (Electro) really is with that much power.
Electro is Marvels number 1 jobber.
He screws up everything
@@F.S92for real for a lightning user he sucks, lightning is a strong element
@@F.S92 Silver Surfer and Living Tribunal: (nervous sweating)
Wlwctro has serve problems with his self-esteem. That's why he can't make the full use of his powers. Peter mocking and making fun of him legit hurts his growth.
@@F.S92 cough.... wrecking crew...... cough...... cough
Shocker’s just done in the thumbnail. He thought the nightmare was over when Spiderman chased him off the church, but here he is reliving it again 😂
SHOCKERRRRR!!!
Cheque's in the mail, baby! 😆
Well MJ had 2 kids with Paul without a symbiote influencing her actions so yeah 🤷♂️
imagine MJ claiming she was controlled by a symbiote.. like “yaaa me toooo” 🙄😂
MJ is for the streets.
Bad writing
Who?
They completely fucked up her character man, but I already know they gonna end up together again in like a month
Finally an ending for Peter that isn’t horrific
This ending is supposed to be tragic, but it's a better life than peter usually has. 😐
Shit, sometimes Aunt May dies and Peter STILL doesn't get anything good out of it.
I would call it bittersweet if anything. And I'd actually love to see a few storylines of Spidey taking Reed's place with F4
Especially considering how Reed is a big fuck up a lot as well. This could very well have been a world where he became The Maker and they may have stopped many tragedies getting rid of him.
@@SubzeroBlack68 yeah, odd how this is a "tragic" timeline but it kinda goes well for the heroes.
Let's be honest, killing those villains who have, on multiple occasions, attempted to wipe entire cities off the map, was probably not something a jury would convict lol
Bro, this gotta be one of the few times we see a modern Spiderman comic with a good ending
Aside from the dead Aunt May and Stretch Armstrong.
I always wished there was a "what if" with a 'nice' Venom symbiote. Like the one we got for the Sony Venom movies, where he's kind of an anti-hero.
Not really a "Nice" symbiote but maybe Anti-Venom is something that may interest you
He bonded with Flash Thompson at some point. Flash had lost his legs in some warzone, so he bonded with Venom to regain his legs and be some kind of army hitman. Whilst he was still a bit wild, I remember him being fairly good.
So no one's gonna talk about how Jameson was being a homie to Peter?
In the comics he always saw Peter as another son but he hates Spider-Man because he doesn't like all masked vigilantes because one of them killed his wife.
Which is why when ever he find out who they truly he completely changes thier mind about them.
This is pretty much in line with their current relationship in 616
So he was able to one-shot Rhino; the same Rhino that can take blows from the Hulk?
Remember peter can one shot a literal T-rex
360 no scope yes
Spiderman is really freaking strong dude
@@db5094 Buffed up on Venom steroids no less.
It’s probably the symbiote suit cause there’s several times where even using his full strength to protect someone he barley phases the rhino
Peter wasnt kidding when he said he would follow shocker to the end of the earth and that terrifies me
I believed that when the time comes, Symbiote Spiderman is the ultimate combo. When he no longer needs to hold back, he will be unstoppable. Unfortunately, there are very few occasions that allow this to happen, and usually is against Hulk or the Thing, so he really not going all out either. Sucks that none of the Avengers, Xmen, or any other hero ever holds back, but we are constantly seeing Peter perform with one hand tied behind his back.
Make him fight Thanos by himself then.
I'm surprised why venom wont go back to spiderman peter to prevent future venom king lmfao venom originally belong to Peter since he was his best host lol
JJJ really just said:you’re not a menace at all son.
it's actually very nice seeing hi being genuinely nice to peter, he didnt just outright blame him he comforted him telling him there was nothing he could do
I remember another version of this from the 80's. This What If had the symbiote draining Peter until he was old and jumping from one hero to another until he got to Thor.
"What If?" vol. 2, issue #4, OCT 1989. Great story!
This reminds me of another What if I remember reading, where the heroes never returned from Secret Wars and this is where Spidey gets his symbiote suit for the first time as well. Since the heroes never return to Earth, Peter remained bonded to suit without ever finding out what it was, so fast forward a bit ahead where the other heroes have children, when the symbiote accidentally gets unbonded, the heroes only find out then that Peter was long gone & the suit was still attached to Peter's Skeleton, unrelenting in leaving from it's "first love".
@@AD-ey4yr what comic?
@@gamingwith3033 it's from What if vol.1, #114
Venom was destroyed in the end by Black Cat, who sold her soul to Kingpin to get the sonic device needed to kill it. Venom Hulk was a highlight
Better than One More Day
It's weird...Venom stays with Peter, it stays sociopathic. It hooks up with Eddie Brock, and goes on that whole journey, and it eventually becomes at least a kind of hero.
Peter doesn't try to communicate with it and help it like Eddie and Flash. He immediately goes to attacking it and making it think it must assume control
@@OverlordAlastor You know, that's a good point. Peter got so much use out of the symbiote that you'd think he would have thought more about it. But then Peter's always been singleminded since his uncle told him about great power and so on.
@@vsgfilmgroup mhm, it really is a shame. Imagine how many peopld would still be alive and how much happier BOTH of them would be. That shit with Aunt May getting shot never would've happened. The symbiote would also probably sniff out Superior Spider-Man and tell an avenger
@@OverlordAlastor Carnage probably never would have happened either. Which means all those various spin-offs probably would also be lost.
@@vsgfilmgroup Knull wouldn't return as well
Peter clapping Sue's cheeks at the end 😭
If Peter kept the Venom suit, he would have chased Shocker to the ends of the Earth and finally prove it's flat.
Science!
love these type of videos
for me personally, MJ is always Spiderman's main villain.
Reread the comics
@@OverlordAlastor hows mj in comics compared to any adaptations yet?
@@yaserhussain69 what
@@OverlordAlastor i meant how useful is she in comics
@@yaserhussain69 She has been some of the only stable ground for peter during hard times, has kept him anchored to his morals and has been a lover to him. Even after One More Day, she continued to be there for him
Even the shocker is shocked
This whole "holding back" trope is a double edged sword. It shows how low-staked Spidey regular stories are. Like, how is he ever in any danger if all it takes was a "no holding back" punch to end things?
I fell in love with a Spider-Man that was quick, agile and alert. He defeated Villains like Rhino, Scorpion, Lizard and Venom by outthinking them. How am we supposed to take a Rhino story seriously if we know he can just get one-punched?
The "holding back" is Superman's thing. It makes sense because his theme is that he's a god trying to live with mortals. Spidey's a kid who got powers yes, but was a genius scientist and has strong moral compass rooted in family values. He helps solve problems that are miles above his pay grade with a little science and a little common sense. Leave the god mode stuff to Supes, please! Or Hulk, if you want to stay in the same universe.
Literally all of Marvel(except Takuya aka Toei Spider-Man)is low stakes.
It's fanwank of the highest order.
I'm not even that much into Spider-Man and I agree. How are there any stakes if he can so easily defeat villains with one punch? Moreover, how is it ever morally acceptable for him to allow himself to lose? So anytime these villains kill people, it's because Spider-Man was 'holding back'? At least Batman has the excuse of, you know, not having literal superpowers.
Again, maybe I can't judge because I've never read any Spider-Man comics (just watched the movies and a bit of the cartoon), but it just kind of seems like a lazy way to make a character badass without thinking of any of the implications.
As a produced myself, These are well done. I enjoyed this story and the editing
I kinda wish Peter kept the symbiote and uses it for when he really needs it. I feel like he could have found a way to control it like Brock did.
Brock never controlled it the symbiote and Brock just had the same opinion on peter after they were satisfied Brock and venom became dependent on more than just killing peter
@@Papa_Straight ahhhh I see I didn’t know that. But I’d still like to see the symbiote and spiderman work together to enhance him when needed.
@@phyzeek900 sure the symbiote will enhance so idk why the author's always make it look bad
This should be a movie lol
Finally found another comic channel. Oh my days.
Why do writers always have to nerf Peter? It’s like they’re afraid his popularity will drop if Peter becomes what he’s supposed to be.
Everyone do yourself a favor and read "Spiders Shadow" its a great 5 part mini series. This vid is barely scratching the surface. Aint no way youre just gonna skip over the part where kingpin gets his skull smashed in by single punch, which leads to him revealing Petes secret in the case of his death only for the stinger revealing that not only did Fisk survive but he's about to become Carnage.
"mannnn shi that was a hard day, I should cheat on MJ"
- Peter
The only thing that I really feel should have blown up in Peters's face should have been his cheating (unless I misunderstood and Venom was in control there as well). As I would imagen that most of how he killed in true comic book fashion has killed crazy numbers of people, but I have not read much Spider-man so things here might be different than the normal in DC where there is somehow a moral dilemma over killing the joker after he blows up a bus full of school children. But anyways Great job with this video!
How is killing the joker after he blewup a school full of children a moral dillema?
Just kill the joker, or tie him up and let the parents of those children go some rounds
Batman doesn't kill joker because because batman follows no kill rule. Similarly in marvel characters like captain America, daredevil, Spiderman follow the no kill rule.
Marvel doesn`t kill but if you are tired of DC having killing Joker debate nonstop, spiderman got it worse. spiderman is closer to the everyday man, and people empathize more with his pain, so they put him through hell nonstop. it got the point it is torture porn. this is not to tell you they are bad, be prepared to dump spider comics after a while.
Imagine Venom as being like alcohol, only while your judgements laps and your vision blurs your body is actually getting more energized. Your instincts are heightened, you become quick to anger! I wouldn't exactly say Venom was ever in "control" of Peter, but rather Venom influenced Peter! It was Venom's influence that resulted in Peter cheating, which would DEFINITELY require a long discussion and attempt at an apology. Whether MJ would stick around or not, that depends on how the writers think MJ would react.
Honestly it's not even a loss of MJ leaves, Peter can do better than her anyways.
And as for moral dilemmas, Peter let's psychos like Carnage and Goblin love despite how many people they've killed.d
Make that make sense
He looks really good with a beard 👍
That was pretty good.
Nice video man
I mean, this isnt like he killed petty thieves or even one off or two off murders. Mysterio and the sinister six have killed COUNTLESS civilians directly and indirectly. I’m not saying he should have chosen to go on a rampage, but once he did, I think the heavy atonement is crazy. Sure he should have had to maybe get told not to do it again and maybe go to a psych for a bit, but legal punishment would have caused uproar realistically since all he did was further protect the world by removing them.
The court case would be controversial, at very least
For you see, spider man killing anyone, ( Even if they deserve it, which in this case they really did ) immediately sets a presisnt.
That would scare the general public.
It also gives people who'd Shared Jonah Jameson's ideals more ammunition to work with.
In denouncing vigilante heroic behavior.
Lethal self-defense and guns are always evil in comics. "Batman, Spider-Man and Superman NEVER kill!" Sheep morality. Pathetic. Suicidal.
This sounds cool, I'll check it out. Others should look for another version of this concept in Marvel Comics "What If?" vol. 2 #4, OCT 1989. The symbiote winds up going after Thor! Pretty good story.
Great job!!!
Nice content!
One more sub!
This story kinda makes me wish that this is what really happened in 616.
I would like to see story when he keeps venom but it doesn't become braindead killer just more violent
I think it's great how this story is super dark but they all still have their goofy 60s-70s costumes.
that's fantastic.
This has me excited for marvels Spiderman 2! I'm going to be ULTRA aggressive in the symbiote suit.
Bully Maguire lives on 😆
That's one crazy story, I love it! They should make a movie of it.
It's called Spider's shadow
Clever, cool ending.
He'd be putting dirt into everyone's eyes
I would 100% buy a comic run of this story continued.
I love this
Peter got a w and all he had to do was murder all his villains lol
Bruh, there ain't no jury that would convict Spiderman of guilt
At least Peter got a happy ending.
It's interesting to see that Aunt May is dead in most of the alternate realities where Peter's life turns better than in the main continuity, in fact One More Day precisely happened to prevent a reality where she was dead.
Peter always hold back his real strength
oh this is what shocker was running from
Well it's not like The Avengers don't regularly accept murderers like Wolverine
The ending must've been top 3 coldest Human Torch moments
Peter literally said “but your honor i was listening to free bird”
great conttent! would love 2know whitch run2
Thank you, Spiderman: Spider's Shadow
Hell yeah finally spider man has a backbone instead of making every situation as a joke that's the spider man that I want to see beat the shit off anyone that mes with him no held back
I like when it’s a video I don’t have to watch an ad to watch it I just sit on the video and let it play this was fire you earned a sub
My toxic trait is thinking it would work out like eddy
Dope
Venom did New York a huge favor by getting rid of most of the Sinister 6.
It would be interesting if Spider man joins the Fantastic Four in the MCU too. Then he'd have avenger AND Fantastic Four experience too by the end of those movies.
I would really love to see a comic with domino and black cat
Was this comic a What If One Shot story? Or is this something that was retconned into Spider-Man’s history? Regardless, this was a really cool story and I’d love to see more Spiderman adventures we haven’t seen when Peter was bonded to the Symbiote. Cool video and I look forward to seeing more of your content! Cheers!
This was Spider-man: Spider's Shadow which was a 5 part non-canon miniseries from 1 or 2 years ago.
@@katkit4281
The fact I had to find out on this comment because it’s not in the description or named in the intro.
What makes this story good head canon for the game, is that the cheated with Felicia....and now we have Spider-Cat baby. Also, Hob globin and everyone else, have committed several murders by now. No one is going to find Spidey guilty, when he got rid of monsters whom have literally killed hundreds(Aunt May included). You'd be hard up to have anyone find him guilty in the actual world.
Damn! This version of Peter became Fantastic 4!
People vastly underestimate how much Spiderman pulls his punches cause he not trying killed that person cause that Spiderman is literally one of the best and most dangerous hero's in Marvel. If he decides not to hold back he can easily take out most characters with ease
He had a good lawyer
Bearded Peter is a thing 😍
That was very interesting
Ive said this before peter is only happy when he kills people
@euforik, put what issues you're getting this content from please? We might want to read the actual comic.
Nice to see one of these elseworld stories not end in tragedy. The main continuity has to play things pretty safe so elseworld stories can stray. But because of that freedom, they often end up going all out and making some pretty messed up stories.
An example of what happens when shocker gets chased to the ends of the earth
Please do a back story on The original black flash and the two people like Barry and zoom who take up the mantle after. I'd rather relax and listen to you explain it with pictures vs me looking it all up. I just know the name and the people who used it not the actual back story
Symbiote Spiderman is still my favorite, it just sucks that the Symbiote and Peter can't reason with each other of what it means to fight for good, if the Symbiote wasn't so evil and change for good than both It and Peter would be an Amazing Black Suit Spiderman!
jameson just pulls up with transformer suit
1:08 This makes the Sinister Six get together right away 😂😂😂 yea I’d be shitting bricks if I was a bad guy
I always kinda forget the symbiote hates fire, cause they usually go with the soundwaves weakness cause it'smore unique of a weakness than just fire.... "it's fire, it's everyone weakness" was a line I heard once somewhere else. But ya, it's interesting to think that keeping the symbiote made it stop Peter from entering the flames to save his Aunt. But is also what ultimatly kills Venom in the end through human torch.
I remember that too, from batman in robot chicken about the contingency plans.
"Fire is his one weakness!"
"Yeah, fire is EVERYONE's weakness: It's fucking FIRE!"
Very interesting & this would been the today if Corporations didn't have copyright rights on Marvel Lore.....
Spiderman would have became the next "Kingpin" crime boss if he kept the suit.
Heh, I love hwo the F4 have Peter stepping in as one them in so many stories
I think it's a rocket luncher doing the nuke
Spider-Man joining the fantastic 4 is amazing
1:06 Whenever I see Shocker, I'm just reminded of the clip where Peter was chasing him and being overly dramatic 😂
I can still hear Peter screaming
“I’LL FOLLOW YOU TO THE ENDS OF THE EEEAAAAAAAARRRRRRRRRRRRTTHH!!!”
Nice , black suit sideman is the best Spider-Man 🔥🔥🔥
Peter is Smart enough and strong enough to replace Reed
Damn that’s crazy good story tho
My reaction to the thumbnail:
Get back here shocker, SHOCKER!!!!!, YOU CAN'T ESCAPE ME, I'LL CHASE YOU TO THE ENDS OF THE EARTH
I just cant get into comics but god are these story lines so fkin good i wish they animate this stuff and not shy away from the serious and gruesome tones they take.
Agreed, when they adapt comics like these they should make them R rated.
Also have you read the ultimate Spider-Man run? I'm starting it and I'm enjoying it so far and was made specifically for newbies trying to get into Spider-Man comics.
“ SHOCKER!!!!!!!!!!!!
YOU CAN’T ESCAPE ME,
I’LL CHASE YOU TO THE ENDS OF THE EARTH!!!!!!!”
jameson was a real one in this
MY MAAAAAAAAN FINALLY BLACK CAT 🤝🤝
Really like this story