Off The Cuff with Arun Shourie
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In this episode of Off The Cuff, former union minister, veteran journalist & author Arun Shourie talks to ThePrint's Editor-in-Chief Shekhar Gupta about RSS, difference in public personalities now as compared to earlier, the phenomenon that was Ramnath Goenka, advice for young journalists & more.
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Arun Shourie single handedly got late CM Antulay government on its knees .
Such were the times of journalism in Indian express - late ‘70’s .
Great journalist and even greater person Arun Shourie .
Wealth of knowledge here .
Yes , am of a certain vintage .
Fantastic interaction, I enjoyed every bit of it. I have been a huge fan of Arun Shourie, and I still am, and will always be. God bless Arun Shourie likes of who are rarely born.
Congratulations @ShekharGupta Ji, for bagging life time achievement award. 🙏🏼
Right
Arun Shourie is one of the greatest intellectuals in the post independence india. There's so much where I disagree with him and in many more ways that I agree with him. He's my intellectual hero. The inherent inquisitiveness of this man is so inspiring.
We need more of this attitude. Respecting people who we don't agree with.
Hard work + good mentor - two important factors for success.
I have read many books authored by Arun Shorie.All books are extremely well researched.
This is one of the best interview, in last so many months.Thoroughly, enjoyable and memorable.Great.
Have you read FATWAS?
I have always been an admirer of Shri Arun shourie ever since he was editor of indian express during those days of the giant if inustrialists shri Dhirubhai Ambani!
Will be remembered in history of Journalism as a brave soldier
One of the best journalists in India. Mr Arun Shourie. Hope I get a chance to personally meet him.
I have just started and listened to just first 2 minutes. I am so fascinated by the sense of gra titude on Shekhar Gupta's face so couldn't hold myself but to write this.
As a college student I was fan of Arun shaourie and red his editorial in Indian Express regularly and didn't know that he was removed as editor but could make it out by just reading editorial for 2 -3 days.
The amazing Arun Shouri!!! I wish todays journalists have half his ethics and courage.
More than anything else, I like Mr Shourie for his spirit, his emphasis on doing the hard work, like reading documents, e.t.c. But, i think he is wrong about BJP, RSS. The beauty of Hinduism as a great personal spiritual journey didn't deter Ghori, Ghazni, e.t.c. If we want any chance to survive and be in a position to remember the traditions of our forefathers, we need an open-eyed definition of the 'other'. And it doesn't have to be based on falsehoods too. The real facts of the 1000 year rule of the 'other' in India provide enough material. The inward spiritual journey to find God doesn't cut it. If you are being slaughtered because of your religion, then trying to organize on the basis of religion is a required pursuit.
You have hit the nail on its head!!
Slaughtered ? Who got slaughtered for being a Hindu in the last 50 years 😳!!
@@shoumomukherjee3832 Guessing your geography from your name, I hope you don't find out for yourself. Good luck!
@@RanjanSarma ☠️
Unfortunately, the Hijab issue was flared up by the Muslim group like PFI. Is Arun Shourie saying that PFI wants to gather votes for BJP?
It's amazing to See Shekhar fanboying Arun Shourie
It is pleasant to hear Arun Shouri
It was like travelling down the memory lane. I used to read Shri Arun Shouri's articles in Indian Express. In his tenure as Editor Indian Express was the best news paper in India. I.E. was pioneer of investigative journalism and Shouri used to lead from the front. If I remember correctly even Antulay's Cenent Scam was brought to the light by Mr. Shouri. This is one of the best Off the Cuff interviews
You are absolutely correct, greatest indian editor of Indipendent India.
Sir, I have seen many interviews of Mr Arun Shourie on his latest book. You set standard on how to conduct interview. Thank you.
God bless you and The print
43:35 Brilliant! Thank you Mr. Shourie for bringing this up
What a gem of an interview! Thank you to ThePrint for doing what you do every single day.
Thank you for such an honest and informed interview... May the tribe of honest fearless journalist grow... !!!
One is guilty of sitting in judgment of men, myopically considering some facets of them that one is exposed to. *Thank you* so much for bringing this OTC with Mr. Shourie - an eye-opener and a reminder not to be hasty in forming absolutist opinions. Will certainly pick up his book that promises to be a great read.
Arun Shourie’s immense knowledge should be utilised by this generation journalists
thank you for such a wonderful discussion which we all miss in today's journalism. TV debates give me a headache 🙂
Glad to see doyen of Indian journalism together.🙏
Absolutely admirable that they call Ramnath Goenka 'Ramnathji'
loved arun shourie book THE WORLD OF FATWAS his greatest book and also EMINENT HISTORIANS, THEIR LIES, DECIETS. loved both his works.
You like what he has to say about our current Supreme leader too?
@@mrgyani yeah I agree with most of his points about current regime.
I feel privileged to listen to this interaction. At the same time I feel sad that our nation doesn’t have another Shouri.
The pillar of democracy is journalism. Loved every second of this. We now know where SG gets his "minutiae" skill from. Proud of the Print and Arun Shourie. The time that was was once the time that is. After all.
Perhaps because of you and many other people from mainland India...as an Assamese..today i really feel I am an Indian first
I've always admired this man! Great interview! Thanks for doing this!
"It is important to be derailed". So true.
One of the best OTCs. Somehow listening to Arun Shourie, a legend of journalism, is very therapeutic. The contrast is markedly visible in this age of “commando-style” news reporting. Thank you shekhar ji for making this happen.
Arun Shourie's articles on the IMDT Act, West Bengal Education department's circular on history textbooks and the Babri Masjid issue are collectibles! Meticuluously researched, brilliantly written and very insightful. Tragedy that he has let prejudice cloud his vision since NDA came to power in 2014. Great interview!
I totally disagree with Shourieji's analysis of RSS.
In many boudhiks, sangh representatives has given great analysis of Sanatana Dharma.
Just the morning prayer of sangh list down all the great personality from Krishna to Ambedkar.
Vinay Sitapati's book throws a much better light on RSS.
Good joke
@@anshuraj4277 you?
The genuine love and affection that flows and the camaraderie that results from there was such fun to watch. Always loved Arun Shourie, classy and objective, the fine prince of disagreeing without being disagreeable.
please have a series of 2 hr weekly programmes with Arun ji......capture his thoughts...in one series ..before he ....dies......it will be a huge service to society
Love listening to AS and SG.. interaction.
A gold of episode by The Print
Interesting and enlightening interview. I have immense respect for Shourie. But at the end of it I still don’t understand how or why Arun Shourie became a liberal champion and fell out with Modi. Modi hasn’t changed since the Gujarat days when Arun Shourie was rooting for his elevation to PM and praising the Gujarat model. If you call Modi communal now, he was the same then. If you call him autocratic now, he was the same then. If you call him anti-media now, he was the same then.
A lot of ppl were fooled in 2014, me included. Ppl were dissatisfied with congress and wanted change, even a bit of right shift. I remember Raghav Bahl too did a conference called 'think right'.
Shourie has always been center right. And Modi came with an agenda/ narrative of development and harmony. He bared his fangs only recently.. And that too because he realized economy isn't working, so he will have to turn the communal pot up.
@@mrgyani See the problem is everyone nowadays says that in 2014 they started as centre right and then moved left because of Modi and his policies. But what they refuse to acknowledge is that they were economic centre-right in 2014 and political left today. Which isn't much of any shift; economic policies and political policies don't go hand-in-hand with either right or left wing in India. For instance, the RSS is political right but is economic far-left. I just wish people would elaborate on this difference. But the shift I do see are yesterwhile capitalists suddenly turning into communists when it comes to the farm laws solely because of a hatred of Modi. And a bunch of media houses championing them along in this attempt at keeping the farmers poorer, non-enterprenuerial and molly-coddled with cheap MSPs.
He clearly said...he was wrong then
@@mrgyani agreed. The whole "ab ki baar, m**i sarkaar" thing was on everyone's lips. People were hopeful that the govt will be truly transformed. I remember how there was almost no communal/religious angle in 2014, and everyone was enthusiastic about the change for the sake of development. Everyone supported m**i thinking that he will bring progress and prosperity. What we got was economic blunders- bjp became the richest party while the Indian GDP collapsed... No wonder the religious temperature was turned higher in 2017 to compensate, and the heat is getting turned up and up with further economic loss.
SG and Arun Ji thank you for wonderful talk on the off the cuff.. When SG your book will come😍
Heartfelt , honest and so inspiring .. admire the energy and enthusiasm of the legendary Arun Shourie
Arun Shourie seems to be an honest man but is he closer to Truth ? His assessment about RSS , Narender Modi is unapologetically prejudiced just as that of many of his contemporaries . Why this big gap in approach . My personal view is to categorise intellectuals into those who have read the Upanishads and those who have not which accounts for difference in perspective . Warm regards .
Upnishads, Koran etc are all stone age books, with stone age relevance. They either belong in museums' showcases or house's dustbin.
How many Upanishads have you read? There are 108 of them, some of these texts consist of 20 books worth material. Are you that scholar? Is there anyone who falls into this category you created?
Upanishad 😳 why ??!!
Arun Shourie is a gem of our Indic wing.
Thanks!
Loved the conversation, always get to learn so much from Shekhar's OTC conversations. 🙏
Arun Shourie A fantastic journalist of his time
An honor and privilege to hear such intellectual conversations
Congratulations shekar sir for life time achievement award💐💐
It was a treat.
Arunji, calling modiji an error is easy today.but, history will evaluate you also....
Arun also requires a Master class on Indian Islam by Dr Syed Rizwan Ahmed...face to face
One of the best interview
Just wow what a conversation.
Although i respect Mr shourie ........ But I disagree on RSS point .......... This government is more close to RSS than atal ji government........... He needs to meet some RSS people first and then comment on RSS ............ I am from uttar pradesh and this government completely messed up COVID second wave ........... It was RSS who worked day and night for last 6 months in uttar pradesh ......... That's why BJP won ............
After Watching This I Watched Few Episodes Of Putin Files. Thankyou Sir For Suggesting 🙏
One of the best interview that I have watched recently. I am not surprised, after all, whom was Mr. Gupta talking to, the great Mr. Arun Shourie.
Indeed!
Such beautiful interaction. Thank you, Shekhar Gupta.
Most enjoyable. A treat this was🌷🌷
We want Arun shourieji back again like this talking on current affairs.
My takes 1. our generation must have known RSS better 2. Arun vs SG
Have you talked to any of RSS men recently
Shekhar ji, do a piece on your career someday. On an anniversary of CTC maybe. I tell you people here will lap it like anything.
Wonderful!
I respect Arun Shourie Ji for his knowledge and intelligence. Now with out recognition he has become a crying Baby. He has no guts to criticize Many useless personalities. God bless him with happiness and good health.
Music to hear two stalwarts of Journalism. Respected Arun Shouri’s message “to read” Is applicable for any profession. His knowledge, analysing facts astounds us. Shekhar Gupta as always is an excellent interviewer with immense knowledge of the present affairs.
My regards to both
What a great man and conversation!
This is real journalist talking!!
Arun and Shekhar, both the best editors of all the times !!
YOU CAN SEE SHOURIE'S HATRED FOR MODI AND THE BJP COMING OUT. IF MODI HAD GIVEN HIM A POSITION IN 2014, THINGS WOULD HAVE BEEN DIFFERENT. REMEBER MEDIA TIPPED HIM TO BE FINANCE MINISTER IN 2014.
This is brilliant :)
Dear Arun I hope I can get through to you through this medium. I want to congratulate you and Shekarji for such an exquisite interview. It had so much affection, admiration and graciousness. it was not just an interview but had so much valuable advice on how to do research in the social sciences particularly on case studies. Do let me have your e mail access if you happen to read these comments. Just to tell you that I have enjoyed all your interviews and watch it religiously. Warm regards to you and Anita
Leela Gulati
What a wonderful interaction! Thoroughly enjoyed. Many thanks.
I have not seen a movie in theatre for last 10 years but I will pay Rs.500 (or whatever it is these days) to watch a biopic on this Ramnath Goenka fellow. What a relatable character and stalwart of journalistic values.
Such people cannot be seen anymore in journalism. Sad reality
What a fantastic interaction between two stalwarts of journalism. A sense of dejavu when Mr. Shourie mentioning about Mr. Cho and his assessment of VP Singh. I do remember when the entire print media was going ga-ga about VP Singh, Mr. Cho wrote a cautionary note in Tughlaq. The sad part today is even that Tughlaq is taken over by the establishment and has become propaganda magazine
One of the best Off the Cuff. Arun Shourie is too good, a true historian.
Loved every bit of it…! Sumptuous for the soul & mind!
Wow 👏👏👏
Late to this video, but truly mind blown by the candor and sincerity of the conversation.
Two of my favorite men of print, together.
Thanks
Why the audio of the print is always low? It's perfectly fine with other channels, maybe you can improve the mic quality.
Just loved this episode.. always nice to hear Arun sir
Again, two fast bowlers in action. Subordinate interviewing his one time Boss. One of the best
B.R.Ambedkar : Ranade, Gandhi and Jinnah
I insist that if I hate Mr. Gandhi and Mr. Jinnah-I dislike them, I do not hate them-it is because I love India more. That is the true faith of a nationalist. I have hopes that my countrymen will some day learn that the country is greater than the men, that the worship of Mr. Gandhi or Mr. Jinnah and service to India are two very different things and may even be contradictory of each other.
Wow…. What a fantastic conversation wid Arun
👏🏻👏🏻
No words to express my gratitude 🙏🏻. Salute to SG sir and the great Arun shourie ji. 🙏🏻👏🏻
Disclaimer: With malice to none. The Print is my favorite and the only channel I watch/ read for some of its offerings.
As SG himself says, politics is an essential ingredient, as salt in food, in a democracy. But the all pervasive media is a more essential portion of life ( food, entertainment, work, play, religion, caste etc. etc.) in a democracy where free press and free speech is incumbent. The end result is that media and politics feed on each other and the people just take the left overs.
Tailpiece: In a democracy, the politicians will use the fissures in society ( which precedes modern politics by many centuries) to create vote banks (religion, caste, creed, language, parochialism etc.. etc..). So do not except them to solve societal problems.By sheer logic, it is not even a probability.The media creates the din.
Great 👍
As usual Arun Shourie the best and humblest person and SG reciprocates.....good episode....SG please try to create your protégé as good as Arun Shourie....GOD does not make them anymore but surely SG can try
Congratulations for the award sir
I was surprised when Arun joined TOI under Girilal Jain, the most despised Editor for Express readers & Arun fans. However, even though Shourie lost his TOI job within a week, but he managed to convert Girilal Jain into a Hindutva follower, alas GJ died too soon. Ashwini Sarin's investigative story on Brides for Sale in Bihar, became a well know movie Kamala- starring Marc Zuber as Sarin .
Hindutva is pure evil
Well , most viewers are in awe of Shouri so the comments are in line of that view .But unfortunately we don't see the Journalists form their own opinion the way their lean . Shouri is no exception! He has firm views how things should be ,what is Hinduism, what is liberal, how a politician should act or behave .So he despise them all . Again unfortunately we see it as braveness ,standing up to the government!
There should be a separate video section on Shekar's North East experience.
The wonder of modern day technology and to be able to be in the room with two of the great journalistic minds, discussing 5 decades of Indian politics and evolution of publishing and media
Great to watch Shekhar's fan boy moment.
Arun shourie is one of the finest gentleman
What a man!Possibly only journalist who was respected by legends like Atalji,Advaniji and NT Rama Rao.Foolish Rahul Gandhi wasted Arun Shourie in Opposition for 10 years neglecting him.Now what's the use of going to his house now.Arun Shourie should have been in UPA Government.RSS/BJP are ideological movement and they are here to stay in power for next 20-25 years easily
One of the best
Arun Shourie one of the greatest shining stars of fearless journalism in the country having the guts to call a spade a spade. A must watch interaction with Sekhar Gupta
Shekhar Ji, you have to write a similar book. Indians in general and aspiring journos, in particular, will be immensely benefited.
I cannot agree more with what AS said about the deterioration of the quality of people in the last 30-40 yrs in India. I have always maintained that people in India in general were of better quality (in terms of integrity, discipline, and socially responsible) in 1950-70s compared to 1980-2020s. Our society has undergone degradation morally even though we have been advancing technologically, and monetarily.