Can You Take It Arun Shourie?
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- čas přidán 5. 08. 2012
- Madhu Trehan puts journalists on the hot seat.
Arun Shourie speaks to Madhu Trehan on "being sacrificed" by Ramnath Goenka, fatwas and kaafirs, the Manu Smriti and the need for a Hindu soul with an Islamic body, the culture of appeasement, Modi and the "coup against Vajpayee", BJP not being a particularly religious party and more.
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....you been an economists, first activist journalist, politician, writer,...have I left out any thing...?
...Adit's father...anithas husband...
That was so movie ...I had tears
Respect to this great man...
yeah, same here kind of sad and happy same time when he said adits father anithas husband...
This is the most sensible conversation I've ever heard on religion, social order, politics, communism and journalism... Such a treat...
I admire the man! I felt very disheartened when he quit BJP.
The interview been an enlightening one. At start I felt this could turn in to a controversial one, but the discussion was very methodical and slowly it moved on to how we should move ahead as a society.
Madhu Trehan *hugs* for the way you conduct interviews.... Especially loved Karan Thappar one... :)
He never left BJP dude! he is still with them. But yeah there was friction and clashes of opinions between him and certain party members
Didn't he resign when BJP expelled Jaswant Singh? I think he said that to a reporter then...
If he hasn't quit, that's good. Clearly he isn't actively involved though :(
anup nair Yes! He had issues with Rajnath and he did not like how Jaswant singh was expelled. he is actively involved right now. but more against Cong. than for Modi. he had also stated in another interview that he had informed Manmohan about the impending 2G danger before the papers were signed and that he was extremely distraught by Manmahon's lack of courage to stand up against Raja n co. & had lost all the respect he had for Manmohan
But yeah...he is one of my favs too.
27:14 *HE"S SPEWING ABSOLUTE GARBAGE!* That's such a stupid defense of Advani's hate politics! Disappointed to hear this garbage from Arun Shourie! I'm pretty sure he regrets enabling hate politics of Hindutva now!
@@bobinpune he talking sense unlike you
Arun Shourie is an intellectual asset to the nation. It is delight to hear him on any topic at any time.
🤣 he is poop intellectual
this is a best discussion I have ever watched! Very well Put Arun Shourie! Appreciate Madhu for bringing out such a wonderful interview!
wow, what an interview, the best i have ever witnessed so far. every moment of this piece is precious and should be practiced.
A very well conducted interview...wide range of topics, and very very informative. Thank You Madhu Trehan.
I feel, Arun Shourie is one of the finest human beings, evolved to the highest degree. I pray for him and all those who are dear to him.
This was a brain stimulating interview.
Wow, what an intellectual gem! Loved the way he explained how communism as an ideology has become obsolete in public discourse of late. Only an ideology can defeat another ideology. What a beautiful thought!
Incredible interview of Arun by Madhu! I absolutely love the way Arun puts his arguments in a systemic way to identify the needs for religions to evolve and how Hinduism is a way of life rather than a diktat of a book to be blindly followed with reason. As a Hindu, I feel proud to have people like Arun and Madhu articulating the beauty of Hinduism very well, particularly when Arun says that nothing in Hinduism is beyond critique and reason and that is how it needs be in all religions.
OMG! Arun Shourie and Madhu Trehan, both these Indians have hit it out of the park. This interview cum discussion is PURE GOLD. All patriot Indians shall watch it over and over again except anti-India traitors like Munavar Rana, BurQa, Sardesai, Mahesh Batt, K Thapar, Pappu Gnadhi, and many many more.
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Arun Shourie sounds like a man who have his heart in the right place.
And he believes in the kind of work he is doing unlike others who fakes it.
Probably that become one of the reason why he quit BJP he must have enrolled in the party thinking that they will Channel his energy in right direction but as soon as he realised that now even BJP wants to mimic Islamists he must have felt that he is either being misused or BJP is no longer a place he should be.
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Thank you madhu for this Interview. he is the BEST!!! this is how a journalist should be.. we stopped reading INDIAN EXPRESS once he left!
This was Newslaundry? Unbelievable. I can't imagine it being this unbiased.
If there were an un-biased "professional" Media, the so-called "Internet Hindus" would never have come into existence or have grown this big into an alternate journalism.
A great inspiring, thought-provoking interview.
Wow! Such a mind opening discourse, Shourie is national treasure. Trehan did wonderful job.
the most beautiful and the most enlightening interviews i have watched in a long time.
Marvellous Interview with one of the most right-thinking intellectuals and researchers of India. 👍
terrific interview!!
loved every minute of it
This is top class, simply top class journalism !! Wow, this is an in-depth, low-decibel, high content interview like no other I have seen in the Indian media. Great job #newslaundry
more than interview it was her best lecture of "Hindutva" and so for us... Best interview... What a man with great heart!! well done Madhu Trehan, You are the eye opener for main stream media that like everybody you also don't like what some hindus abuses everyone on internet but i liked the way you tried to understand so called internet Hindus. Please be gentle, be kind, listen to others thats Hinduism. Don't let our religion down.
By watching this interview, I have no doubt that Shri Arun Shourie ji has great refined intellect and understanding. He should be utilised in whichever form by the next BJP government.
What a superb interview.
Can Arun Shourie take it ? Yes !
I wish though that he would do more than just teach us. I wish there was a way for him to practice it.
As the first crusader journalist of modern India, who dared to take-on and investigate in exposing the misdeeds in the high offices in our country, thereby inspiring a new generation of journalism in India, help inspire an independent school of journalists/journalism, a learned man who contributed in many walks of life - Economics, Governance, Journalism, Religion, but above all - a Fine Human Being.....truly a Bharat Ratna. My nomination for Bharat Ratna.
Listening to this interview is an uplifting way to end the weekend. Arun Shourie is probably the most ideal role model an Indian can have today. It is a misfortune of the country that we are not able to fully utilise his intellect and nobility.
one of the best that i have seen and definitely among the most enlightening. Thank you arun shourieji, i can never forget you.
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"Please be humble and learn from others too" ...................last words from the interview.
When News Laundry was actually unbias. You feel ashamed when you look at what content it produces now, I understand it may be pop culture shit they have become.
Now NL has become just another troll channel
Awesome stuff !! Full marks to Newslaundry team. We needed you so much and for so long..
oh and he is a very strong & a brave man, someone that can inspire you tremendously should you know about him in a little great detail!
27:14 *HE"S SPEWING ABSOLUTE GARBAGE!* That's such a stupid defense of Advani's hate politics! Disappointed to hear this garbage from Arun Shourie! I'm pretty sure he regrets enabling hate politics of Hindutva now!
Lovely interview clarity in thoughts expressed by simple words and Madhu need not be secular by quoting "Hindu internet army"
For every such discussion, there are numerous hate comments. Most common ones are "these people does not know anything about Quran, Hadis etc and they have no right to say anything like this" . I have a request to such people. Let's assume for once that these people are wrong. Why don't you falsify all the arguments presented objectively and with proof.. Nobody is stopping you from doing that.. if they have an argument you have an equal right to counter that.. But instead what I only see is disgusting words, abuse...
I agree
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Newslaundry is doing great work. For last 15-20 days i have seen all the interviews especially of Can You Take it ... i am a fan of Arun Shourie for quite long and now i have become of Madhu Trehan as well.
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Just cant stop admiring this Gentleman.
Whenever I read him, I wonder why is such a great man not in our Govts or have power.
Madhu ji, thank you for wonderful interviews. I went through interviews of Karan Thapar, Rajdeep, Ravish Kumar, Talveen Singh & now Mr. Shouri.
Out of all these journalists, only Shouri is only & still bigot. Sometimes, ask him following questions -
1. He got 18000 pages & translators to understand Quran & Fatwa but he didn't get copy of Manusmruti.
2. He wrote worshipping False god but he didn't examine White & Black Yajurveda & Purushsukta, which was examined by Dr. Ambedkar. He asks us to learn from traditions but did he ever examine Hindu religion & traditions?
3. Each village in India is nothing less than a Ashwitz camp for OBCs, Dalits, NTs-DNTs. Yes, like Quran or Fatwa, no one read Manusmruti (including Mr. Shouri) but it is followed wholeheartedly.
4. Bigotry won over erudite Shouri in such gamaut that he critisizes Khap Panchayat but didn't point of 'Father' of Khaps i.e. RSS.
5. He is trying to paint himself very tolerant & saintly person but he even don't know that Jainism was existed even before Vaidik (Hinduism) Dharma. So Jainism isn't offshoot of Hinduism.
5. Likewise, Buddhism & Vidikism (i.e. Hinduism) are north & south Pole apart in their scriptures.
One day I would love to meet Mr. Shouri and write an article on him as how to remain bigot through out life! So there's no difference between internet Hindu and Mr. Shouri except way of presenting the points.
So his observation and somewhat critical analysis of quran and hadith makes him a bigot and for this you counter him by asking him to study manusmriti the usal rss gibresh and what not ?It is amusing that you mention Ambedkar maybe you should also read regarding ambedkar obsevation of quran and Islam ..and how does his analysis of quran and hadith compel him to study hindu scriptures ,Many historians have done critical analysis of hindu scriptures so it a pre restique for them to study islamic quran too ? They are not termed bigots rather scholars ..have the capacity and capability to understand not get emotionally charged because here the one is questioning aspects of islamic scriptures
A very nice interview, and my thanks to Madhu Trehan for being brave and honest and giving us a refreshing departure from the drivel one gets to see on English News channels - on CNN-IBN and NDTV, in particular.
Very nice to see Arun Shourie I always quote phrases he coined in 1982(The Indian Express)and earlier that is : POLITICS OF PANDERING a n d 420 AND MORE etc.
On the subject of the Internet Hindu debate:
There is also an army of 'Intellectual Hindus' who try to reason with the radicals with a rational comment(s), which I believe helps calm some nerves and encourage rational thinking.
Here is a random thought that i would like to share with you all - Can the Govt gift its citizens some sort of a perk in tax exemption of 25% or 50% during the month of August ( our month of Independence ) If the particular state or country (more tax benefits) has experienced NO communal violence.
This will definitely be motivation for communal harmony :o)
Ohhhhhh.... pls don't buy this shit of internet hindus, its just a divisive tactic of these new breed journos..
it was coined by Sagarika, which explain Hindus as abusive, aggressive people over internet..
These people are used to the passive, non-reactive people and if we respond, we become internet Hindus, just like how the term 'saffron terrorism' was coined..
Don't even bother to fall for this trick. We are one as a nation, in spirit and letter!
Very practicable thought ..pls keep voicing it and let's have it submitted as suggestions to our MPs and State Legislators
And there she sat like a schoolgirl, looking at him with adoring eyes, while unconsciously giving away her anti-muslim bias and religious fundamentalism for all to savour. So mesmerized she was that she forgot the difference between an Indian and a Hindu. Launder yourself first Madhu!
Naved H where did she went wrong? u r used to apeasement darling. get over it...
Awesome interview and people should must watch before judge BJP and RSS or any Institution.
such a fine personality and clear views. I will definitely read his book.
Good one after a long time in news laundry thank you Madhu.
such a sweet and humble person mr arun shourie is
In Hinduism each person can be a vehicle to realize the ultimate reality/Truth/Sat (and they were like the numerous rishis/munis/sadhus) while in Abrahamic religions they need a Messiah, Prophet or Son of God. They have to be 'told' what Truth is. So whatever is 'told' is sacred, sacrosanct and cannot be refuted. Ideas/mentalities of people stem from this HUGE difference in how one views religion/spirituality.
Wonderful interview.
Thank you Madhu ! Regards
Very enlightning interview.
amazing interview of a great thinker!
Amazing interview and talk.
sorry, I forgot to appreciate your intellectual capacity and courage
A MUST WATCH.
13:57 Arun just loves reading these fatwas...can almost feel the glee and satisfaction in him when discusses thw worst of them
Madhu I am a big Fan of yours since Newstrack days, Please make Newloundry a big Digital channel, your voice should be heard i believe, People like us who like truth to be heard doesn't have resources which you have, I want to be a part of of that in any small way can contribute
Thank you so much Madhu for voicing questions that the majority Hindus find pertinent in today's day and time. I am tired of Hindus not asserting our incredible culture and values of peace and harmony more vocally. Hindus must assert themselves more to show how all religions and communities must and can live peacefully with each other and treat the world as a family (Vasudhev Katumbhakam). We should be proud of ourselves.
very nice interview
One of the greatest Intellectual India has ever produced 🙌
Great Interview!
I admire Arun Shourie and Atal ji as one the best politicians in India
so inspiring
Hello Madhu, first of all thank you very much....I really enjoyed the whole interview...and please keep it up a good work...However, let me tell you one thing, this is not a time "If someone strikes you on one cheek, turn to him the other also"...this is a time to retaliate in such a way that nobody dares to strike you once again....Jai Hind...Vande Mataram...
Respect both of these people
Excellent.
What a man, what a leader!
Arun Shourie then was talking a different tone - when he had ministership dreams (under Modi). Now when Modi crushed those dreams, Shourie curses Modi all the time. Just shows how small a man - despite great god given talent - can be.
had the interviewer been Karan Thapar, Arun Shorie would have been interrupted, silenced, humiliated, not listened to and proven wrong...
i really miss old fashioned journalism.
Nice take by Arunji on the 2002 riots. Seriously it's easy to point fingers at Modi but when you are at that point when everyone is berserk in riots it's very hard to think rationally and keep yourself organized. Commendable job by Modi though to handle the riots and none such thing in past 13 years. Too bad the Indian Media sells-out too quickly.
Riots happen in a split of a second due to years upon years of suppression towards the Hindus by almost everyone. Things have reached to a boiling point off late which resulted in Babri demolition and what not. Personally I blame Congress and their appeasement policies post-transfer-of-power in 1947. But more importantly us Hindus must also try to keep calm in most situations.
Hopefully he can serve as a minister if the BJP wins the general elections in a few months.
Beautiful thoughts overall. He probably did not understand the term 'internet Hindu'.
Neeraj Atri ji 8 yrs ago, Nice to see you here!
Atri Sir. Haha not surprised.
Arun Shourie is pure class.
Great mind
No Appeasement politics is BJP... Well said... Good to hear from you Arun Shourie...
A brilliant man. His book on fatwas opened my eyes to Islam.
true genious arun sir
Dear Madhu Trehan.............the question you raised at the end of the program......i would like to answer in words of Arun Shourie and i think your concern is absolutely right and we have to bring transformation ourselves but also we have to stand by anything wrong and if needed we can be violent......this is what Gita says.....violence is not just violence cause of weapons but cause of the intentions behind it.
zooming and camera usage, needs professional edge, in almost all webisodes, are you guys really using a handycam to shoot these?
Come on!
Overall, it was a good discussion. But, when it was about islam, they were not clear enough because of their shortcomings. Can someone say after following 'internet hindus' that hinduism is uncouth, they don't let anyone disagree or having different opinion? No, you can not. In the same way, you can not judge islam after observing some muslims.First, I am not from the 'Hindi belt', the reason I mention will be clear later in my writing. I don't know why many north Indians stuck with the word 'fatwa'. Perhaps that's what the NI muslims use for their advantage /disadvantage in their day-to-day lives, it seems. 'Fatwa' simply means 'Opinion' or ''Advisory Opinion". Its given when a questioner asks for it [Fawa-Advisory Opinion]. So, that depends upon the way he frames the question, if he is clever enough, to have it in his favour. This is the 'Fatwa' thing. To continue, I too read that story and followed it up that AlAzher ulema giving a 'Fatwa' about the 'breast-feeding' of a non-relative male. That is totally ill-constructed or mis-construed, played for the gallery or out of their ignorance about the matter, I think, in their conversation.And, 1 more thing Madhu Trehan brought up was about an athlete giving penance by "feeding 1008 people" is completely wrong, either by that muslim athlete who was about to do that or Madhu reading too much in the internet blogs about 'backward muslims'. If one has to skip a day of fasting due to certain circumstances, he/she has to compensate it in some other time within that 'Islamic year', i.e., 330 days approx. before the next Ramadhan starts. If he/she is not physically/medically unfit to fast, they can compensate by feeding 1 to 40 poor people as per their capacity. More interesting is when Madhu asking why didn't MF Hussain want to draw Allah or Mohammed? That is where, I don't know why or how, most of the genius are get flummoxed. Where will one can show a authentic picture of Allah or Mohammed? If Madhu had one, she could have sent it to the painter and asked him to draw them 'naked' and he would've done it - perhaps for a sum or for art. So, where is the question of drawing someone naked arises when there is no 'pratima' -i.e., “natasyapratimaasti“. Funny geniuses.
very nice
Going to be newslaundary subscriber after this beautiful interview
You will regret it 😂
@@shobhitsingh232 yes most of the time newslaundary is biased it depends on the editor
Good one
classic. great person
sir, that site is faith freedom. org by ali sina ( min 25.00)
Wish there were more journalists like him.
47:08 That's also a good point.
#RESPECT
Most hindus do not understand true "hinduism" or "sanatana dharma" as it is better called.
When manusmriti talks of duties of varnas, it is talking from a different point of view. In ancient India, a brahmin was not just born a brahmin. He became one by long years of scriptural studies, self-restraint. He is an educator, a teacher, a performer of "vedic ceremonies". The society looked upon him with awe and respect much like a society would look upon a nobel laureate today (in India, the standards have fallen so low that the place has been usurped by bollywood actors and cricketers).
Ancient India was great because the best among these brahmins from time to time gave instructions known as "Smritis" or "Sutras" that told the society how to conduct itself. These varied with time and place. These were kind of guide to the rulers of that time. Manusmriti was one such. It was not binding on the king but latter took such instructions seriously. There was a check and balance with knowledge of the brahmin keeping the 'power" of the Kshatriya (the warrior class) in check. But manusmriti is also severe on transgressions of a brahmin much more than by other castes.
When Manu says a shudra who hears Vedas should have molten was poured into his ears (not sure it is true as I can't find the original quote in sanskrit), he would have meant that true knowledge should not fall into false hands. This is like Osama bin laden having knowledge to make nuclear weapons. Today we worry about such weapons falling into hands of Taliban. Ancient Rishis took care to not only preserve but protect such knowledge.
Vedas are not understood by Indians of today as they have no knowledge of Vedic sanskrit (which is even different from classic sanskrit which some of us may understand). It is deeply symbolic with lot of mysticism, mantras etc that do not make sense today but did in ancient times.
What. A. Gentleman.
Best hour i have ever spent
Shashank Kulkarni agreed.
Well still relevant in 2019
I watched this when it came out. I’m watching it again after all this time. It’s too bad Shourie ji couldn’t fit into Modi’s BJP. Both are poorer for it.
Two Savarna Hindus talking about Islam and the Manusmriti say whaaa?
Yeah, the irony died a thousand deaths.
Tu bhi toh Savarna hi hai
Khatri saale😂
He is a great man!
Madhu mam!!
after seeing this....
I would just say...please return to this form of yours...!!!
Ab aapne bol diya hai to ho hi jayega :P
One must avoid these "Lutyens' Delhi" geniuses. Or even better shifting our nation's capital to some other place. They are enjoying the total wealth comes from across the country. Whoever settled in NCR, finds a way to be near the 'corridors of power' to stuck and suck on.
Arun Shourie: GREAT RESPECT!
23:19 That's the most important point we'll have to understand if we want to eliminate terrorism from this world.
PM Modi has done a favor on Muslim women by changing the three talaq law.
Wonder what he would have to say about Wendy Doniger's book!
Maybe Abhinandan should have watched this interview before he appeared shocked in front of S.Swamy