The REAL reason the NFL Failed the Patrick Mahomes Evaluation.
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This week’s film breakdown analyzes why 9 NFL teams passed on drafting Patrick Mahomes. Mahomes came out of Texas Tech and entered the NFL draft in 2017, but after several QB needy teams passed on him, he’s only gone on to have the greatest start to a career in NFL history. He had great stats at Texas Tech, so why would the NFL overlook him as a prospect? This week’s episode uses the all-22 coaches film to analyze why NFL teams passed on drafting Mahomes in 2017.
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were you ill at the time of making this or am I mistaken?
it sounds like you have/had a cold lmao
@@husssssssssss Hahah I was! Rubbed some dirt on it though and still got out there and gave it my all
You need to update the video LOL!
I served lunch to the Chiefs front office the October before Mahomes was drafted. Veach(now GM) could not stop talking about Mahomes
I think a huge part people left out of the equation was who his father was. When your father is professional athlete, you get the opportunity to see just what it takes to be successful at the next level. His dad wasn't the most gifted pitcher, but he found a way to hang around for 11 seasons.
Facts
And in a position that is nothing but stress and being asked to do the impossible. Anddd in the biggest moments the dude was real good in the playoffs and world series
Look at Steph Curry, who was also overlooked...
Good hand-eye coordination was passed on genetically. Pitchers definitely have this!
The NFL has NEVER intimidated Patrick Mahomes! He lived pro sports from childhood.😊
A rising scout saw Mahomes play and said he was the player he ever seen. That scout is Bret Veach and is the current GM of the Chiefs. Evaluations like that got him promoted !
Veach was never a scout for the chiefs. He was director of player personnel. Hardly a scout. He was a scout in Philly ,
I’m pretty sure it was Andy Reid who said that
@@brotherk57 It was Brett Veach
Veach was talking about Mahomes so much, John Dorsey got tired of it
@@camerondavis8356 , well John Dorsey obviously drafted him.
This video is proof that great organizations and coaching staffs can make draft picks successful more than anything else.
Rams: bitch ain't nobody give a fuck about some rookies.
Yeah, Mahomes was put in the best situation possible. Dude got to learn a year behind Alex Smith who is a great mentor, went from Kingsbury as his coach to Andy Reid and a great offensive unit. This ain't a knock on Mahomes tho, I think he needed that extra year off to improve on his weaknesses which is a luxury he wouldn't have gotten if he was drafted by the bears or something
@@user-td4fe5ng6u yeah, and given that the hit rate of draftees is only around 1/3, you’re better off trading draft capital for proven talent.
Yes! Imo if Mahomes gets drafted to a certain handful of teams he busts and busts hard
@@AlexRollinsNFL yea but he didn't so it doesn't matter
It was a good breakdown. But if you saw Andy Reid's PC the day he was drafted, you can understand why they took him. With Reid, he said it was Mahome's work on the white board that "blew him away". When asked about his arm strength, Reid just said, "yeah, but lots of guys have good arms, that's not why we drafted him". Later, in his first TC, Eric Bienemy raved about his field vision. He said they could run 15 plays in a session, then ask him to recall play number 7. Mahomes would then recite the call, every WR route, the assignment of every OL and what the defense did. As far as teh footwork issue goes, the then GM put it best. He just said, :watch the play, the ball gets to the receiver where it should be." Not many can throw off balance, but he can.
yup. I put arm strength fourth. You can't have a weak arm, but if your arm is average, it's good enough. I'll put 1) processing power (what you mentioned) 2) mental strength/calm 3)accuracy in front of 'arm strength'
4 AFC Championships is now 6, 1 Super Bowl is now 3, 1 MVP is now 2. What a monster.
I was a student at TTU in 2015-2016 and everything you said it true, but man were those home games fun. Both teams would literally fly down the field and it was always entertaining (but often infuriating watching the defense).
I knew Mahomes was going to be good but when I saw he went to KC with Andy Reid, I knew it was only a matter of time before he was great.
~LeBron
I was a Rams fan when they found Kurt Warner in a grocery store. And now KC found the real deal. He's a leader with a great team.
As a TTU alum, I watched this too & there's no denying Patrick has always shown a spark of brilliance. He finds the right play (run or pass), he makes the hard throw & he plays with a singular focus to win. How the scouts missed it, I'll never know. It was obvious to me! We didn't know about his photographic memory at the time, but throwing the football like a baseball at times, which no one had seen before, might just have turned off the scouts.
I’m glad you mentioned how bad Texas Tech defense was. I always thought it was absurd how in the last 20-25 years QB’s are given win/loss records…..in the ultimate team game. Yes, having a good QB is important, but I’ve never seen a team win a championship with a horrible defense or bad o-line play. Ever. Not even in this era where they are trying to legislate defense out of football. 😏👊🏾
Just because W/L doesn't tell everything doesn't mean it doesn't tell anything. See: John Elway.
Bengals just won the AFC without either of those things. Sometimes having NFL assistance is good enough. Lol
Texas Tech defense was terrible but the Chiefs D outside of 2019 has been really terrible. It’s almost the same situation in KC until Brett Veach decided to really improve the Chiefs D. The Chiefs starters right now haven’t given up one single point in the preseason. Texas Tech wasn’t going to win a championship with that defense and Texas Tech should be amazed they didn’t recruit better.
@@Mik3yLow Bengals defense being "bad" would mean alot of other teams are just horrible at it
@@fumihiro8564 correct
I think one the key aspects of the Chiefs evaluation of Mahomes was his work ethic. He worked his butt off fixing his fundamentals. A lot of players, especially those with his level of talent, wouldn't have put in the work he has.
This right here. Plus he’s just a good dude. I think the chiefs felt comfortable that he would do everything he could to be the best QB he could be.
Andy Reid and Veach both mentioned his work ethic, photographic memory, baseball background, growing up with and learning from a professional player. The upside is remarkable. Get ready for yet another one of the best Chiefs teams we've ever seen!
Absouletely Mahomes was not a lazy guy. Some guys when they come in the league they are lazy, they believe their own hype and don’t work as hard. Mahomes worked his ass off, he worked on his foot work and well you have seen what he has become. And now Mahomes has a defense that he can be confident in. The payoff for the Tyreek Hill trade was the Chiefs using those 5 draft picks to rebuild their defense.
@@Mik3yLowThis comment unironically aged beautifully. I didn't know Cassandra had made her way into the comment sections of niche football videos on CZcams
@@derekmathews1557 and they just did it again. Dudes special
His entire football career was just two years of high school football before he was thrust to start in the big 12. With a poor depth chart on all three sides of the ball. Yet, despite mahomes first play of his collegiate career, he fumbled, recovered, then threw a pick. For most, that lack of football experience, combined with a horrific first play, that’s enough to to make most too shaken to recover. But, he did. By the time he won the Super Bowl, he’d only play 6 years of football. How many years did the elite play? Pee-wee football. Middle school. All four years of high school. 2-3 years of college. Yet, Patrick, is basically as green as they get in the nfl. Santos Silva, college basketball player from Texas tech, who never played college football, is now trying out for the Cleveland browns. (Recruits, go to Texas tech) santos probably (didn’t fact check) probably has more years playing football than Patrick did. I’m just saying, Patrick is meta alpha. His football IQ and talent, mechanics (ironic because most traditional coaches would horrified at his throwing angles, throwing across the body, no look passes, etc). Thank god kliff was his college coach and didn’t try to conform him to a pro typical qb. He would’ve been ruined if he went anywhere in the SEC. (btw, the Longhorns wanted him on defense, like the did Michael Crabtree (LOL).
Let’s just say, PM15 is the next closest thing to Tom brady. Disciplined with workouts, film, IQ, leadership, moxie, etc. he makes everyone around him better, makes them fulfill their potential.
TB12 is the goat. But after Tom, Patrick has already proven he is the next serious candidate to contend.
I always wonder how many potential QB was ruined because they tried to mode them into ONE mode instead of grow them according to who they are.
I thought he’d be a turnover machine. Playing in Big 12 I think there’s always questions about the defenses they face. Bears win the SuperBowl in 2018 if they had Mahomes with that defense.
the best achievement mahomes would've gotten would be a superbowl with that 2018 bears' defense probably. However, it would've been hard for him to win an MVP trophy and put up historical number on the bears. That offensive line is still poop.
@@PeanutButterAndJellyBros facts
@@PeanutButterAndJellyBros yea individually going to the chiefs was better for Mahomes
The turnovers were a misnomer based on the kind of player he is. Looking at his stats, he took very good care in not throwing it to the other team.
John Fox or Matt Nagy would've ruined Mahomes so this is a garbage uninformed take
Alex Rollins I got 3 words why 9 teams passed on Patrick Mahomes Mel Kiper Jr
Na, GMs don't listen to Mel Kipper . If he was so good he would be a GM in the NFL. Patrick Mahomes was raw and lacked the proper coaching. He wants to be the best and is willing to listen to coaching. He put the work in and is 💯 percent dedicated to his craft.
NFL teams don’t draft off of what tv analysts say 😂😂
LOL you think actual individuals who try make money off sports gambling listen to talking head experts on ESPN? There are no football FOs/execs who had their jobs on the line would take Kiper's Jr advice.
@@t4d0W NO SHIT
Mel Kiper loved mahomes actually...
I think the thing that was underestimated was his character. He's smart, hard working, humble, and very coachable. Add those things to his natural talent, give him one year as a backup, and he was able to shore up his deficiencies. It also helps that he was drafted into the perfect situation. It's possible that if one of those other teams above KC had taken him he might have been a bust.
Dan Orlovsky once made a great point about how QBs are scouted just like everyone else , physicals then mental but they should be scouted mental then physical
@@charlesroberson6118 that’s a super good point, the best quality of a quarterback and the one thing that takes the longest to learn is reading defenses and iq as a quarterback. I know accuracy is hard to learn after being drafted but if you can read defenses on the fly and before the snap you can find guys that are open enough to make up for the lack of accuracy. That’s the problem with fields early this season he’s got all the talent but the game was moving too quick for him to find the open guy. He’s getting better now with good coaching but it’s gonna take some more time until he can be able to even throw for 200 yards consistently and his accuracy, arm strength, and all around athleticism is top notch and it doesn’t end up with results yet
@@mr.fukk12 Yeah it’s tough to teach and they really should take the time to test QBs resiliency. That’s a lot of pressure to deal with and it’s all too easy to end up like Carson Wentz. All the arm talent in the world but just won’t throw the ball anymore
Goes to show when pass QB have been busy was it really them or was it the organizations?
It seems that most teams are looking for QB ready .. and don’t want to take the time to coach and teach . The situation with the Chiefs was perfect. They already had a QB1 didn’t need Mahomes to be game ready after draft. I also heard Mahomes did some maneuvering during the draft to ensure KC would make the move to get him. I think even Mahomes knew he needed the right coaches and situation to better himself. That is why he soaked it all in. Learned everything he could. That drive and determination is why Reid and Veach saw in him.
Watching Patty Ice for every single college game, I’d tell people continually he’s the best raw football player I’d ever seen. The kid could make absolutely magic working with a so-so receiver corps and pretty much nothing at every other side of the ball minus one or two college level standouts. People at other schools thought I was nuts - until they realized he’d played football for like three years and we played their team. Watching the dude in person was like watching someone play a video game. The crap the man can do should not be physically possible and he single handedly forced Tech to win games with basically one NFL caliber talent in Jakeem the Dream (who is like 5’ 5” at receiver and has only been able to stick as a speedy returner, think about that for a second).
It would be interesting to know which other NFL teams were interested in Mahomes to the extent that Kansas City felt they had to trade up to get him.
Mahomes explains the story on the New Heights podcast about a year ago. Mahomes drafted himself, lol.
Guess who had the #11 pick in the 2017 draft? It was the Saints. They have said they had it down to Mahomes and Marshon Lattimore. This explains why the Chiefs traded up to #10.
Bruce Arians at the Cardinals also really liked him.
6 years, 6 consecutive AFC champ appearance now. Still soaking it all in and enjoying this.
Honestly I don't blame anyone for being wrong about Mahomes. Like you said if your job depends on it you're going to be very cautious about these flaws. You have to have guts to draft a player like this in the top 10. Also, I feel like now many people are always looking for the next Mahomes (e.g. Malik Willis) which might not be the best idea since not every boom or bust player is going to boom.
Yeah 100%, I still think a lot of teams would have ruined him too, but that's something we'll never be able to find out. Hard to know if Mahomes is the new rule for the NFL or the ultimate outlier
Pat was a beast at texas, i had no doubt he would be as good as he is
Seth keysor and me and number 1 Mahomie were all right about this guy but I said Watson was my number 1 qb and he’ll be off the board before chiefs pick but if they couple trade up to like 19 and steal Mahomes then it’s a win. I also said trubisky is at best Alex smith but more cowardly you could tell he had a terrible last 2 weeks including bowl game. If you’re bad in your biggest games leading into drag season I shut off the tape and move on
@@SinisterLynch facts I said in 2016 this kid will be either Philip rivers at worst or Aaron Rodgers at best and a chiefs fan growing up watching both qbs closely with envy I would’ve been thrilled with either outcome and it was 100% worth a first round pick
@@dereksmidl8352 i seen him throw for like 700 yards live against Oklahoma and than i kinda knew who this dude was. Oklahoma was a top 10 school that year. Not to mention not many guys have natural ability to perform and he always had it
I found your channel a couple weeks ago and I'm hooked! Love how you break down key aspects for the game and make them palatable for casual watchers like myself as well. Oh! Also had my dying with the Dodgeball reference 😂, keep up the great content!
Thanks JJ! Team Average Joes forever
Veach knew KC needed a makeover, and Reid recognized that this kid could make any throw, read defenses and make adjustments, and play out anything Andy could dream up. Mahomes broke the KC curse.
Footwork is that niche term that people who know nothing about quarterback play over use to sound like experts. Most college qbs are shotgun qbs which eliminates most of thinking and habits of footwork.
I'd argue about the importance of footwork a little. Yes, it's very good to have a proper base to throw the ball when doing routine with no pressure but watch a baseball infield when they have to rush a throw. Rarely are their feet set but their body is in the proper position. Watch a couple of double plays or a when 3rd baseman is playing a bunt. I would say the direction of your elbows motion is most important. The thing we can't really measure is the mental vision to lead a moving target with correct velocity. That is what separates qbs imo.
Saints we’re going to take him at 11. Then the Chiefs jumped us to take him at 10.😭😭😭
At least we got Lattimore as a consolation prize
I’m amazed how seamlessly he mastered NFL ball snap & ball handling; also the footwork of Andy Reid’s offense which is completely different from the Air Raid
Him and Josh Allen succeeding so much right now is definitely giving credence to not looking so hard at negatives
Less about the negatives and more about achieving those positive outcomes fast with the right talent/staff around them. People always say Mahomes having that 1 year to learn was a boon but personally he would've been ready to be on the field his rookie year. He may not have looked amazing on paper but Reid and company wouldn't ask anything drastic out of him. With Josh Allen the staff found out the best passers to surround him to start aren't necessarily the big deep threats but the small and smart route runners. Though the easiest obvious answer was getting him Stefon Diggs as a #1 target helped out A LOT. Much like how D-Hop has a big impact in Kyler Murray's pass attack.
Yeah, it's still hard to decipher whether that means we should completely overhaul our scouting processes, or if those two are complete outliers
Well these guys were generational quarterbacks. But Allen and Mahomes ended up in perfect situations. Maybe Buffalos situation wasn’t great at first but it got better.
He's won 2 more superbowls since this video 🤯
This experience he gained is why he appreciates his team & coaching staff NOW, and gives them so much credit bcse he understands he can’t do it alone no matter how talented he is. Mahomes is smart, respectful, unselfish, coachable, and talented. Makes me wonder though, If the Professionals/Experts can’t see when the next evolution to the game is staring them in the face, than why are they considered experts? Reid saw the future and probably after speaking with Mahomes he saw he was coachable he knew he had a goalmine💯
Where you land matters the most in today's NFL, but to me college experience is the 2nd best trait to a NFL QB prospect. Just look at every legendary QB in the last 20 years, all of them have had multiple years starting in college. The reason why guys like Trubisky and Haskins didn't work in the NFL was because of inexeperience and high expectations of being high draft picks who needs to solve everything right away. Mahomes had 3 years experience in NFL offense playstyles and sat 1yr behind two of the best mentors you can get in Alex Smith and Andy Reid, it was the perfect storm and the Chiefs knew that. Talent + right mindset + experience = Great QB
IMO the best part is that Andy Reid didn't desire to change Mahomes and how he instinctively played at the amateur ranks. Many other young QBs fail because the assessment of the FO/Coach staff is all wrong and they try turn their young prospect into something completely different.
I agree with the second part of what you said, but the Air Raid offense had yet to work in the NFL, so that was still a big mystery. It wasn't yet an NFL offense in any way
Tom Brady didn't start in college 😁
You're right about everything except the 3 years in an NFL style offense. The offense Mahomes was playing was nothing the NFL was doing at that time. Not much anyway.
@@trashcangus He did, but he just wasn't a multi year starter, he kept getting beat out for the position.
One thing that people sometimes don’t place enough emphasis on is that the situation a QB (or any player really) is drafted into matters a lot, and that’s really out of their control. If Mahomes was drafted to the Bears, he would no doubt be good and definitely better than Trubisky was, but if he didn’t have Andy Reid and the Chiefs organization helping him develop, and Alex Smith mentoring him for a year as he sat on the bench, I doubt he would have had the all-time start to a career that he has had so far and be universally considered one of the best players in the league
Great stuff! Another learning session for me as well.
Thanks TH, glad you like it brother
Chiefs didnt miss it. And we got an amazing QB. Already has a ring. A lot of people think top of the line qb’s are overpaid. Not in Maholmes case. He has re electrified a city that was burning for a Championship. As as long as his wife behaves, we win win another. No disrespect. Great video. Quarterback IQ is so underrated. Subbed
Thanks Trav, congrats on KC bro
Extactly and the Chiefs will continue to put him in areas where he can succeed.
"as long as his wife behaves"
What a dumbshit thing to say.
As we learned with the second CHIP, winning burns deep in him.
"Why do we keep getting these evaluations wrong?"
Because scouts never take into account that this player can actually improve and get better, or if the organization and coach he's going to can help him. Mahomes went to the perfect spot in KC, and he sat and learned.
For every mahomes or allen, there are dozens of talented qbs who "can improve", but never perform well in the nfl. If you want to get it right consistently, that simply isn't predictive.
At the end of the day, a scout is much more likely to pick a dud than a Mahomes. Pick too many duds and you are out of a job. Better to pick someone good enough that no one will fault you if they don't win championships.
As a saints fan. I literally use to dream for a CB as good as Marshon back when ours couldn’t even guard a parked car… but it most def made me feel some type of way when Sean said Pat was the best College QB he’s ever evaluated, and KC traded soo far up in front us because we probably would’ve taken him with the next pick😂😅
Sean Payton even said that they were struggling to pick between Lattemore and Mahomes. Even as far as saying they weren't going to turn the card in till the very last possible second becasue they wanted ever second they could so they could get the full pro/con lists for each and compare. Payton even said when the Chiefs traded up he turned to the Saints GM and said "Andy just decided for us. Get Lattemore on the phone"
Honestly one of my favorite draft night stories
@@themandalorian400 don’t tell me that man 😂😭😫
@@themandalorian400 holy crap I'm so glad that timeline never happened as a falcons fan, if any other team could've Made mahomes the success he is today I thonk it would be Sean Payton and learning a year or two behind Drew Brees
Well it worked out for both the Saints and Chiefs. Mahomes has been amazing. Lattimore has been amazing.
@@derekmathews1557 How?? Mahomes got the Chiefs a superbowl. Lattimore hasn't done jack shit for the Saints compared to that. If the roles were reversed, The Saints would be an all time team with Mahomes the past 4 years.
I went to that draft in Philly, good times. I LOVED IT! Only 18 miles away from me (my house from Philly) was so cool. Had a cast on my arm tho
Those year Mahomes went from probably the best start to a career by a QB to definitely the best start with another league MVP, Super Bowl title, and Super Bowl MVP. All despite losing the most dangerous receiver in the league.
Good breakdown, I agree on the 'context' of a player's environment in evaluating next level transition. Good job on this vid, I learned some things.
The KC Chiefs probably spent the most time live scouting Mahomes, so they were one of the few teams to know how good Mahomes actually was.
This was done informative! Thanks.
Thanks Mary!
My head canon for Mahomes is Reid leaked the playbook to him (and probably other QBs like Deshaun) and Mahomes turned up to the interview having memorized every detail.
Patrick thought he was being slick by studying but Andy played him and figured out he was a hardworker and smart as hell.
technically matt nagy leaked him the playbook, but the rest of your head canon isn't far off. Patrick said this himself on Kelce's podcast
Quality content, as per usual
Thanks Miguel brother
I thought he was the best QB in the 2017 draft by a mile.
I thought the criticisms were wildly overblown and built more from fear of the system he played in.
He was dismissed mostly because of where he played, not how he played. Guy was pegged as a turnover machine for no reason.
Aaron rodgers over in the NFL is dropping 40 yard dimes off platform, but with mahomes this was relayed as a bad thing. 😅 It made no sense. Everything that makes him great in the NFL is on his college film. I get tired of people pretending it wasnt just because they got it so wrong.
I completely agree I lived in Texas at time I thought he was best college Qb I’ve ever seen. His dad was pro athlete so you figure he would understand professionalism and work on his very few flaws
Well he definitely proved he was the best quarterback in the 2017 draft by being the most successful one on the field.
@@carlito_148, agreed. And Mahomes played baseball too. His dad was an athlete so he was going to be good no matter what sport he played.
I loved watching Texas Tech games during this time period; every game was a shootout.
Obviously defence wasn't a thing, but seeing teams throw for 500 years each and each score 6 to 7 TDs was just good television.
Any team that put the losing record on Pat doesn’t is clueless. The Red Raider offense required perfection to win games because when the defense gives up 70 to Iowa State, no offense can come away with a win.
Extactly! It was stupid to blame Mahomes. Mahomes had to score every time he got the ball and honestly it was the same way in 2018 because the Chiefs defense was the worst in the league. 2019 Chiefs defense was top 15. 2020 and 2021 Chiefs D was not good. 2022 Hopefully now the Chiefs can be a consistent Top 10 defense. Can you imagine Mahomes with a possibly consistent Top 10 defense? BOY the NFL would be in serious trouble then.
@@derekmathews1557 Facts, if Mahomes is allowed to be less than perfect then all the records fall. lol The lack of pressure that comes with not having to be perfect would mean he would be soo much better.
@@nomadicrain, extactly people expecting Mahomes to be perfect is crazy😂😂😂😂😂Like wow. Nobody is perfect expect God.
Absolute banger of a video dawg
Great channel
The guy who’s never shown anything horrible but never shown anything amazing basically = Kirk Cousins. That’s not a guy you want to put all of your franchise’s hopes on, especially in the first round.
One missed variable is nearly all "overlooked" qbs got to sit for at least one year before they were thrown to the wolves. QB in the NFL is a game of confidence, internal and external confidence. If your coaches and teammates do not trust the qb he cannot possibly succeed, if the qb does not trust himself, he cannot succeed, and failure destroys confidence. NFL personnel are not logical, they watch a qb have a terrible game and they don't take all into account, like offensive line was shit, or WRs can't get open, or the team was unprepared. They merely look at the qb and whether he did it or not. Every great QB of the last 20 years outside of Burrow was drafted by a great organization with a great coach or at least a coach hired by a good organization. If Mahomes goes to the Panthers, he is probably on his second team. If Brady started with the Bengals he certainly would not be the goat, if Rodgers had started with the Raiders he would be forgotten. Later draft picks are successful because they are brought in by decent organizations.
Chiefs also made mahomes study for a year before they let him start. Good organizations can teach up QBs
They can
Feel like we definitely need a sequel video covering how the NFL failed the Josh Allen evaluation.
He had even more doubters & people projecting him to be a flat out failure.
He hasn't won anything yet so jury is still out.
Because the NFL looks for "Jon Manzelles" and "Manning's" If it looks unfamiliar - Look away Bias
This is a good summary
I didn’t hear the beat In The intro please bring it back
Andy Reid is a very experienced coach who has been around many
personally types. He knows that because Mahomes wasn't the shining star when he entered the world of young shining stars, on the NFL roster, he saw great potential for greatness, and he honed in on that. He gave him everything he needed, and Mahomes took it all in and left it on the field at the time when he should have. The right moment for the Chiefs came, and they were ready. "Didn't they do it?"
Andy Reid being that offensive guru he is was the best fit for Mahomes
3 Super Bowl wins and 3 SB MVPs, 2 league MVP, 6 AFC championship games added to his resume
2018 OPOY too. Many other awards & records too.
I think when it came to the bears, there was human nature at play, Ryan Pace got Jay Cutler for a year or two, tried to build around him, didn’t exactly work out, when that happens, you might often go for something different to what you had, if you look at Patrick Mahomes college years especially and Jay Cutler thru college and pros, there are certain similarities, believe he had loosing record in college, defense sucked so it was on him to conjure up wins, bad footwork, scrambling, powerful arm that was maybe relied on too much, throwing from weird angles, I can see why Ryan Pace went with a bit more “traditional” quarterback. I personally did believe Mahomes was the best QB in that draft, but wasn’t sure the bears had the coaching staff to develop a QB that thrives on a controlled chaos type offense. I do believe coaching plays a major factor in development of players, when Lovie Smith came in, it was ALL about developing young players, had coaches that excelled at that across many positions, his last couple of years were all about coaches that cares more about out scheming other teams than developing players and giving youth a chance was replaced by getting willy veterans across the team. Mahomes lucked out that he went to Chiefs and Andy Reid.
ONLY because we ended up with Joe Burrow a couple years later am I now ok with this draft as a Bengals fan.
We selected John Ross in between the picks of Christian McCaffrey, Patrick Mahomes, Marshon Lattimore, and Deshaun Watson.
An epic whiff on the Bengals. But at least we didn’t end up with Deshaun Watson.
John Ross is an underratedly horrible pick that you don't hear enough about. If he hit in some fashion him, Chase, Higgins, Boyd would be even nastier
@@AlexRollinsNFL it was truly horrendous. But nothing will ever beat the Bengals turning down New Orleans entire draft plus a another first rounder so they could turn around and draft Akili Smith. Hands down worst move in a franchise history filled with bad moves.
I think the title is funny because I didn't miss on this one. I was hoping that my 9ers drafted him. I have post from before the draft in 2017 hoping 49ers would would draft him but Kyle's obsession with kirk Cousins ruined that
"And definitely the Bears"
Lol, well you called us out for being the content crowd. We love Sid Luckman, dont bother us just the same ☀️🐻
The Teams that passed on Mahomes rn: 😢
Mahomes rn: 😈🔥😂😂😂😎 🏆 🏆
He wasn't misevaluated. He was a raw prospect who needed to sit his rookie year to learn the NFL game. Only a handful of NFL teams have the offensive coaches who could have developed his talent. What no one, even the Chiefs, appreciated is that he had an insane work ethic and commitment to excellence that allowed him to develop into a Brady and Manning-like team leader. Mahomes has become an extension of the coaching staff. He's Peyton Manning with great athleticism.
Mahomes win-loss in college. It's hard to win when your D gives up 60 points.
Right! Texas Tech defense was awful
Hey Alex! How is your Saturday?
It was good brother! Was hoping y'all wouldn't pick up on that cold I had 😂
Yeah!!! That's my QB!!! It'll be interesting to see what this season will look like! Will Pat Mahomes make it to the championship again??
From the future: Yes.
You should do a video like this on Lamar Jackson, Aaron Rodgers and Deshaun Watson.
Four Super Bowl appearances and three Super Bowl wins would never have been possible without number 15. As a Chiefs fan I'm glad no one thought Mahomes was a franchise quarterback except Veach and Andy. Mahomes is absolutely fearless no matter what the score is. I tell people all the time that Patrick was the only good player on Texas Tech and you can't teach someone how to compete when always playing from behind. His college defense was giving up something ridiculous like 42 points a game
The question asked at the beginning is why the NFL let's some of it's best QBs drop in the draft. I think this question gets cause and effect backwards. Teams that draft at the top of the draft tend to be bad teams. Badly owned. Badly managed. Badly coached. Bad supporting cast. We take the most talented QBs (as graded through conventional wisdom) every year and put them in the positions where they are LEAST likely to succeed. BY DESIGN. The NFL is BY DESIGN flushing the best QB talent down the drain year after year.
Mahommes dropping to Andy Reid was a godsend for him. If he had gone #1 that year, he would have gone to Cleveland to fail. Or if you replace to top QB taken, he would have gone to Chicago and been paired with QB killer Adam Gase. I'm not saying Mahommes' talent doesn't matter or anything radical like that, but it's a holistic thing. All the factors matter, and as observers, we often blame the player or the picker when a drafted player underperforms...but coaching and situation is a huge deal.
The oxymoron of the NFL is that if you're bad enough to draft a top ten QB, you probably shouldn't draft one because you're just going to wreck him. But if you're good enough NOT to be in the top ten, you're not going to be high enough to get one unless you're willing to pay three arms, four legs, and probably your first born to move up. Obviously, there's alot of exceptions, but I think the general rule holds.
You can post a lot more and still not say much.
Veach was visionary 🎉 he discovered him he deserve all credit
The only bad game that I legitimately think he had in college was that Iowa state game
Anybody else find it hilarious that a lot of people think mahomes is just gonna be ass now without tyreek
Right like since when has a qb dropped off after losing a reciever? They aren't THAT valuable
It’s ridiculous! Imagine calling Patrick Mahomes an average quarterback now.
I realized how good Mahomes was when I saw him DESTROYING the starting defense at training camp in 2017 when he was a rookie and still a back up
I went to the 2017 preseason game at Cincinnati. Bengals fans were saying, “wow this guy is really good”
He had over 800 yards in one game in college, over 700 passing. Think about it, thats a descent 3 game stretch for most guys.
…with a chronicle injured (separated) shoulder all season, and a fractured wrist in that game in particular.
I clicked on this just to say that Reid put Mahomes through a heck of an interview to evaluate his football IQ, and came away knowing that this kid was going to be the brush with which to paint his masterpiece. Mahomes would be looking for a backup job right now if he was drafted by the Browns or Jets or even the Bears.
Another Patrick Mahomes narrative if he was drafted by a bad team. Chiefs fans get the point.
Idk takent like that doesn’t hide no matter the system
Maybe not mvp or Super Bowl champ but definitely not a back up
You can tell the stance and way he holds the football is slightly different from college. Having him sit for a year and train with staff and Alex Smith was what he needed. What Reid saw was his personality to never quit and 110% effort. That's what separates the competitors from the QBs who show up for a paycheck.
So you never heard the story that he was given the plays ahead of time from matt nagy? 😂
So I watched the game he came in for the guy who got hurt . And I literally wanted the chiefs to draft him after that game . I'm a Mizzou fan but the stopped showing all their games only caught big 12 I hated Texas, OU but yeah . Lol I never thought we would draft him I knew we where going to win the SB with mahomes
Brother, I love your content and subscribed within 1 minute of listening, but blow your nose!
Edit: Wait....did I get used to it or did you do this over multiple days? Because your voice became commanding.
Anyway, good stuff. I'm going to go on a spree on your videos
Thanks brother! Yeah I think I just had a cold then, but bad news on this Saturday cause I have a cold again 😂
when i watched him in college i thought he was jeff garcia with a rocket launcher. still ticked the niners didn't draft down and go qb.
People need to not look at record, that's a team stat. Only thing u need to look at when it comes to evaluating QBs is Yards, TDs, etc & nothing more, maybe physical stuff too
It's all about marketing and scouts!
Ben Roethlisberger was younger than pat when he won
Wait I forgot John freaking gruden also said he was the best qb in this class as well. Good ol qb camp. Man gruden you should’ve kept doing that and left the raiders and the money out of your life
You are probably right.
Sounds like you have a cold but this is great content
Hah you're right and thanks!
His foot work looks and is atrocious at Texas Tech, but a genius coach (Andy Reid) seen an opportunity in his horrible footwork. He turned it into the most valuable asset of pats. The way he moves is so deceptive and a bit of practice turned it into something that the nfl has never seen. His awful footwork freezes defenses, throw in a pump fake with his confusing foot work and he shuts defenses down. Now create a playbook that allows him to gun sling and he’s unstoppable
in all honesty, his college tapes weren't that impressive, so it made sense why 9 teams decided to let him slip. However with good coaching, one is destined to get better and it's great that the chiefs selected him. If he was on team like the bears, jags, or jets, he would've been set to fail. The 49ers, Titans, Chargers, and Chiefs were the best spot for him develop within those top 10 picks of 2017.
are you kidding ? Lol his college tape was crazy. Yeah he had some flaws which still show from time to time but Mahomes would’ve been great anywhere
@@jabarricharles-barnes658 I didn't say his college tapes were bad; I just said it's not all that impressive. As long as he's put on a team with good coaching and good players, of course he would've been great. He would've been set to fail with the jags and the jets just like any other quarterback, even as great as he is.
@@jabarricharles-barnes658 Its crazy but not every losing franchise with a high draft pick was all about that crazy. Reid you can argue has the inside track from already seeing Mahomes run and execute an air raid playbook and something he's familiar with. Along with his Chiefs team being stacked enough on skill positions on offense to help teach him to be a pro level QB. It just goes to show that bad teams have so many problems that if they don't solve them before landing their young QB prospect, that player will just inherit all that crap and set themselves up for immediate failure.
@@jabarricharles-barnes658 Yup. His college tape was great. Just watch him against OU or LSU. He lost both games, but his teams were outmatched at every position and mahomes kept them competitive.
People just dont want to admit they got it wrong.
Brady's college tapes must have been terrible. lol
Its crazy how many people dont know matt nagy gave him the test plays the night before his meeting and evaluation.
Mahomes has the greatest arm talent probably ever. Can't say the nfl got it wrong when he still went 10th to Chiefs
To many teams are on desperate need of a QB now mentality. Draft today .. being playing tomorrow. Bears , and Browns and some others didn’t have the time to put into someone like Mahomes . This is why KC was perfect for all of them . Mahomes knew he needed development under the right coach.. Reid is the best.
KC wasn’t in a desperate situation to need a QB draft to start playing tomorrow, they knew he had the talent, and the smarts and determination to learn and get better . It was the perfect situation and out of it came a amazing QB that has taken the NFL by storm and a Chiefs organization dominance for the last 5 yrs . And possibly more. I can totally see Mahomes /Reid and the Chiefs winning two more with in these next 5 yrs .
Mahomes went to the best place possible. It's entirely possible he could have been drafted by the Jets and never developed much beyond what he was at college. And the Chiefs were in a great position to take the risk on him and let him learn without too much pressure. Can say the same thing with Brady who got to sit and learn from maybe the greatest coach ever. Montana got to learn from the greatest offensive coach ever. Rodgers got to sit and learn. Brees finally found his way to Payton who could get the most out of him. Marino was thrown into the fire and was great immediately but he went to a good team and a coach who had the foresight to let him sling instead of coddling him. Circumstances can dictate a lot. I'm not sure there's only but a handful of QBs who would've been great no matter what.
How do you explain Joe Burrow then?
Not trying to argue. Genuinely interested in your opinion on him. Because he kind of was in the opposite position of everything you just listed for a QB to succeed.
@@one1blue Him being good plus their offensive philosophy/personnel. I think he's good but I think the perception of him is outpacing his actual productivity. He's very accurate. Seems to process the game very well. But that offense was built around the receivers making big plays (him sitting in the pocket forever waiting for them to come open was a reason he got sacked a ton, not just the oline). His yards per attempt went up a whole 2.2 yards from his rookie year. I don't think that's just development (Herbert's only went up 0.2 yards) Burrow was top 5 in YAC per attempt. Sure, he has to get it there on time and accurately. But Chase and those receivers were helping a lot. Maybe he can sustain that because he's so accurate and makes the right decision most of the time. But it wouldn't surprise me to see some regression this season if they can't make their scheme work the same way (Chase getting more attention maybe).
To put another way, does he produce up to his level in Cincinnati if he were drafted by the Dolphins? I think he'd probably have done better than Tua has but I don't think he leads the league in yards per attempt with that team.
Totally agree, well said
@@dplunk13 I guess I just don’t see it that way through the view of my admittedly orange and black tinted sunglasses.
I think there’s too much luck involved in your way of thinking about his last season. Burrow was drafted to a 2 win Bengals team that nobody would call a QB away from contention. It was just a bad team overall. It has obviously improved dramatically the last 2 years with free agency hits and draft hits. But all bad teams have those opportunities when they’re bottoming out.
I think Burrow had to climb further and did it faster than any current QB in the league. He got drafted to a 2 win Bengals team. During Covid so he didn’t have a regular introduction to the league. Got his knee destroyed in game 10 of rookie season. So again didn’t have a true offseason coming into 2nd year.
You can give credit to the Tee Higgins and Ja’Marr Chase for last years development. But I’d argue that they’re still 1st and 2nd year receivers. Not exactly the normal recipe for success. They do of course build what the Bengals want to do with an offense which is spread it out. But I don’t see the argument of regression with Chase getting more attention. Simply because that opens it up for other players and Burrow made multiple big plays with multiple rbs, the TE, and of course the other wide outs. Chase of course added big time to that YAC. But he wasn’t doing it all downfield. He’s just a RB with the ball in his hands man. His shiftiness can’t be contained forever.
And finally the O-line argument is valid but also not valid. It’s true Burrow will take more sacks because of his attitude of extending plays. But also the offensive line was really really bad. It wasn’t even close to being just an average line by any measure. I honestly just can not picture any other QB in the league being able to handle the pressure his offensive line allowed and succeeding to the level he did. He HAD to rely on the big play because consistent time consuming drives to wear out opposing defenses wasn’t an option. He had to make big plays in between the plays where he was running for his life and sometimes during those moments. And he made that work out all the way to the Super Bowl.
Which is why I think the offensive line additions this year will put all doubt to bed about the Bengals and Burrow having regression after a lucky year. Big plays will just be another weapon for Burrow to use. He will have more time with more options on how to win games.
@@one1blue I don't think I'm too far off of where you are. I do think he's good, maybe really good and heading towards great. And I think improving might be just as likely as regression given your point about the oline and young WRs. I guess my issue is just kind of a small sample size. If he's just as successful this year it'd be hard to argue it isn't just him being really good, circumstances aside.
There is stories of Bruce Arians running him through protection drills and Mahomes nailing them, Arians was supposedly over the moon about Mahomes. But that's where 30 other GMs screwed up, they failed to recognize Mahomes has a big brain for football. End of story 😂
You are maybe the only one on CZcams who is saying this. We who have followed Patrick Mahomes since high school and college. At Texas Tech he had to move around so much to survive. He had no real protection, and yes, the defense was that bad.
Thank you for say what real long term fans have been saying.
Mahomes had the worst defense, worst o-line and his best wr was jakeem grant lay off his college games unless you watch his guts. The guy played hero ball to perfection
Good breakdown of what they saw. I do think he's changed evaluations. If he has this much raw talent AND he studies very hard, knows defenses better than most, and can change plays like you showed to set up the play, that's unique. You can fix footwork, you can give him a better O-line but you can't teach drive and football IQ.
Hmmmmm manziel never played with in a system and he was touted.
He loves game of 🏈💛❤️😍welcome KC mahomes we love you 💛❤️
After your video, it's a wander he even got drafted.
Mahomes got drafted to Major League Baseball bf he was drafted to the NFL. That’s also a good sign !
If you know football by playing the sport and not just watching you knew mahomes was gonna be special
🚀 arm
Ran an air raid offense with no protection or good RBs
And could throw on the move
All you would have had to have told me as a GM...
"This Mahomes kid had an 800 yard game."
"Come again? Was it against the school of the deaf and blind that has four words and a hyphen in the name?"
"No. Against Oklahoma."
"Well, I've heard enough."
Obviously, I'm joking. If college records mattered then Case Keenum should have been a way better NFL QB than he is.
3:54 😆
Actually ben roethlisberger was the youngest qb to win the chip