0 Degree Sleeping Bags || Teton Sports Leef vs Paria Thermodown || (+Bloopers because YT is Hard)
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- čas přidán 25. 06. 2024
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What’s up, Dirt Junkies! We all know I"m cheap, but winter backpacking gear can be expensive. I decided to put my budget zero degree sleeping bag (Teton Sports Leef) up against the more expensive Paria Outdoor Products 0 Degree Thermodown. I tested these zero degree sleeping bags outside on consecutive nights and used a thermometer outside, inside the tent, and inside the zero degree sleeping bags so I could look at actual data rather than just go by feel. In this video I'll give you an overview of both the Teton Sports Leef as well as the Paria Thermodown bag, and tell you the results on my tests.
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-Teton Sports Leef: amzn.to/33vf6bl
-Paria 0 Degree Thermodown (Paria's website): shrsl.com/3bas0
-Sleeping Pad Used in This Video: shrsl.com/4bwl4
-Pillow Used: amzn.to/3F1Qe96
-Tent Used: amzn.to/3s2Qild
-Thermometer used in tests: bit.ly/37k7lHy
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0:00 Intro
1:03 The sleeping bags I’m testing
1:30 How big are these sleeping bags
2:44 What type of insulation is in these sleeping bags?
3:27 How is the loft?
3:55 What are the temperature ratings?
5:21 What materials are these sleeping bags made of?
6:10 Are these light enough for backpacking?
6:57 Additional features
8:41 How small do these bags pack down?
9:14 The test - setting it up
9:51 The sleeping pad I used for the sub zero test
10:13 Night #1 - The Paria Outdoor Products 0 Degree Thermodown
12:52 Shameless request for you to hit the ‘Like’ button
13:03 Night #2 - The Teton Sports Leef 0 Degree Mummy Bag
15:09 Paria Thermodown vs Teton Sports Leef
15:42 What I liked and didn’t like about the Paria Thermodown
16:47 What I liked and didn’t like about the Teton Sports Leef
17:19 So what bag will I be relying on??
17:43 Bloopers
Interesting Article on EN/ISO Ratings: www.thermarest.com/blog/en-is...
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⚙Gear Links⚙
-Teton Sports Leef: amzn.to/33vf6bl
-Paria 0 Degree Thermodown (Paria's website): shrsl.com/3bas0
-Sleeping Pad Used in This Video: shrsl.com/4bwl4
-Pillow Used: amzn.to/3F1Qe96
-Tent Used: amzn.to/3s2Qild
-Thermometer used in tests: bit.ly/37k7lHy
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I wish all sleeping bag reviews were this detailed. Really liked how you measured the temps inside the bag
Thanks, Philip! Rally appreciate that! I'm glad you found it helpful!
You give by far the most informative reviews of anyone I’ve seen! Measuring and verifying claims instead of just reporting them is so helpful. Keep it up
Pleasant demeanor and excellent insight. Thanks for this.
Absolutely love those little thermometers, so many possibilities! I picked up a couple for my own experiments. Thanks for linking them.
Awesome review!! Super helpful! Thanks for having both C and F; Cms. and Inch.
Excellent and concise review! Thank you Jeff!
Thanks, Guy! Much appreciated!
Thanks for a very detailed, professional report.
Thank you! Hope it’s helpful!
Thanks so much for watching!
That's a thorough review, man. Keep it up.
Thank you! Sometimes I nerd out about it all a little too much... 🤣
Thanks for watching man!
Wow you are the man Thanks for the in-depth review!!
Thank you! Hope it was helpful!
Thanks for the video and reviews, really appreciate it. I've been wanting to get a 0 degree down bag for a long time now. But I can't see spending $400-600 ! plus that's way out of my price range. I will definitely try and get the Paria. Thank you.
Oh man love my Thermodown Quilt! I wish I had also picked up one of their sleeping bags. They are probably the most under rated cottage vendor for people looking for very good quality goods are fair prices.
Great comparison. Helped on my decision
Great review, been wanting to get into reviews myself and I’m really digging your format. New fan here, full support to your channel my friend
Thanks Maksim! I definitely enjoy talking about gear! Really appreciate your kind words! Thanks for watching!
Really helpful, particularly your comment about it being difficult to turn in the teton bag. I turn a lot, so this is important to me.
Ya, that was something that I was disappointed with. That fabric feels really nice, but the combo of the brushed fabric on the inside of the bag against my base layer almost felt like velcro when I try to turn around, which is SUPER annoying at 2am...🤣🤣
Awesome breakdown man on both of these. Big sellers because of price.
Thanks, Taylor! Ya, I'm always looking for the bargain option! 🤣 Feels like the Paria punches above it's weight, so I'm loving it! Looking forward to using it more this winter!
Thanks for watching!
Thanks for taking the time. What if you were going colder weather have you tested those? Thanks again
Really detailed review. Thanks for making tho comparison. I’ve seen a lot of Teton bags and wondered if they were as warm as their claims. I passed on them due to comment feedback, and your data proves it the feedback is right. I subbed and liked. I’ll be watching more of your reviews. Thank you!
The full down Teton bags will give the paria a run for its money. And the Teton Atlos 0 down bag is amazing. I think better than the paria, bur more expensive at 249. It has solid stats, hydrophobic down, so ita good in wetter environments, 20 D ripstop shell, lofted foot box, zipper draft tubes, drat collar, 3 piece hood, great customer service, and a lifetime warranty. Teton is a great budget gear company, i passed on them for a good while, but they have neen surprising me lately.
Sorry thorough brotha. I hope you find more success on CZcams. Your channel is great and I always look for your new videos.
Hey! Thanks, Justin! That honestly means a lot to me! We're getting there! And I've really enjoyed the process so far. Gives me an excuse to try out new gear and then geek out about it! 🤣🤓
Really appreciate your support! Thanks for watching!!
Great video. I appreciate the scientific approach you used.
Thanks, James! It was fun using the thermodrops and they work perfect for this kind of thing. I was in the backyard yesterday setting up another tent to test and my brother noticed one of these little thermometers was still hanging in the tree! 😂
thank sfo rwatching!
You did it again brother! Another great video and another great and thorough review! I've looked at the Teton Leef before. I was looking at a higher degree bag though, not the 0 degree. I did notice the new Virginia hat on the shelf behind you. Nice! But just wanted to say hi and well done on another great video! Blessings man!
Thanks, Trent! Ya, I think there is a higher degree option of the Leef as well. Well done spotting the new VA hat! Unfortunately I have a bit of an oversized head and the hat isn't very comfortable. So my shelf may be wearing it forever... 🤣
Blessings right back at ya!
New studio room looks just like the old one! Super thorough review Jeff. I put a ton of stock in your reviews because you buy everything yourself and don't rely on the freebies (and invisible strings that come with them). From the early video, I thought for sure you were leading to a Teton recommendation. What a twist! At the end of the day though, for 3x the cash, the more expensive bag SHOULD come out on top for warmth, comfort, and weight. I mean, otherwise, why spend the extra bread? 88 is really impressive for heat retention though.
Thanks JR! Ya, I literally brought the shelf and rocks with me from UT to VA! 🤣 WE aren't in a permanent place yet, so just keeping things simple for now, plus it's just such a great place to hang all my bags!
Ya, I thought about how Aria called me on always saving my fave for last, and decided to mix it up on her! 😂 And you're right, for the price difference it should out perform, but I think with a few tweaks the Teton could be more of a competitor.
Even though I'm a quilt guy, this was awesome! Great way to show how insulation workd dude!
Thanks man! Ya, for spring/summer/fall I might be a quilt convert from now on. Took one on a recent trip and it was a game changer! But sun zero I need that bag!
Thanks for watching man!
Very useful video thanks so much!
Thanks for watching! I’m glad you found it helpful!!
Great video. I bought 3 Tenton bags at the end of this summer but haven't had a chance to use them yet. Not outdoors anyway. My boys have used them in their bedrooms. 👍👍
They are such a great price! When you’re buying 3 the budget price is the way to go! Ya, my kids love both the leef and the trailhead! When we go camping together those are the ones they grab! And this leef got me through a lot of cold trips!
Thanks so much for watching!
wow that was wonderful, so glade I took the time to watch the whole thing !
Thumbs up # 46
Greetings from Canada
Thank you! Really appreciate your support! One of these days I HAVE to make it up to Canada! Seriously some amazing places to explore up there!
Thanks so much for watching!
I have the leef 0 2018 version. The regular size is smaller than advertised, and the zipper snags. It does feel warm down to 37°. I've yet to try it in colder weather. For the price point it's worth it. I've upgraded to a down bag which will be interesting to test out the difference this winter.
Nice job Jeff, Great thorough review. Happy holidays :-) I agree CZcams is alot of work, lol
Thanks, Darren! It was fun to test them out with the Termodrops! And those S hooks you recommended for them are working like a charm!
Thanks for watching!
Awesome review yes Thanksgiving weekend out in the cold ... You did an awesome review. I actually considered the Teton bag but ended up ordering the outdoor vitals 0 degree. Haven't tested it yet... I think if I did a review, I'd stutter a lot 😂. You do so well. The bloopers are great. The Paria seems to be a better choice here for sure.
Thanks, Nicole! So many options for zero degree bags out there! You'll have to let us know when you put the OV one to the test! Thanks so much for watching!
Awesome info and great review. I'm currently looking for a budget sleeping bag and appreciate your temp test, that was awesome. The Teton bags seem to be in my price range.
Hey Gerardo! I’m glad you found it helpful! I can’t remember if I mentioned it in the video, but I have taken the Teton down to mid 20s F before. I just had in a warmer base layer and my thermarest pad under my inflatable. Worked great! And I think Teton makes a quality product. I win several items from Teton because I trust their quality.
Thanks so much for watching!
@@DoseofDirt mid 20s, wow! I don't plan on camping in weather that cold, lol. But great to know. I always sleep with a base layer and then some! Thanks for the honesty.
@@gerardohuerta6925 sounds like you should be good!
Good review
Good review I am going with paria bag and tent thanks
Thanks, Gary! I haven' thad a chance to try their tents, but have been eyeing them!
Thanks for watching!
Hahahah bloopers are great as always! It's a tough gig making these vids for ya folks! Great budget bag showdown Jeff! Seems like Paria is the clear winner here even though they don't do the standard testing for temp rating (big negative). Lighter and warmer. Awesome use of the Thermo Drops! I'm a quilt guy and not sure I'd go back to bags, just too uncomfortable for me. Just snagged an OV quilt for about $200 for their 30deg option. Can't wait to test it out!
Thanks, Dave! Ya, and I filmed this one without Jessica's help, which means it was extra rough! 🤣 Seriously, so many bad takes to slog through during the editing.
Ya, the Thermodrops were a fun addition to the testing!
I tried a quilt for the firs time recently, and for non-winter trips, I think I'm going to go quilt from now on. But I tried it on a sub zero trip and it was just a little to tricky to keep the heat locked in. So for me, sleeping bags for the cold and quilts for everything else.
Looking forward to your thoughts on your new quilt!
Thanks for watching, man!
@@DoseofDirt Awesome! Way to soldier it alone for this video :D hhahaha. Yeah sub-zero would be tough with quilts without layering. You could look into the dynamic tension control from UGQ for some added tuck-ability along the sides. I don't winter camp much and live in SoCal so temps aren't normally below freezing (except where I live in the mountains). Yes, some interesting viewpoints I have about OV that I can't wait to share with folks! The ppl need to know! Haha.
Great work!
Thanks, James!
Epic review bearded man of knowledge, loved it. Many thanks (You did forget to have the category for which is prettier, certainly a major concern when trying to lure lady campers)
🤣🤣 how did I not include that?!?! Definitely the Paria with that green shell and blue footbox. Or maybe the Teton with the slimming black and neon green interior? 🤣
@@DoseofDirt You Sir are insane! It has to be the black and green one Teton I myself got quite the semi when you spoke of how easy it was to stuff 😊. Quite the slutty bag when it’s easy to stuff, and that turns me on.
Very nice and interesting discussion my friend
Thanks RodKris!
Great review, thanks 😊
Thank you! I'm glad you found it helpful! Still been loving the Paria Thermodown!
Thanks for watching!
@@DoseofDirt it looks like it’s worth the money for sure from your review!
@@stimconvo1195 Couldn't agree more!
I just order a teton leef. I hope it works out for me. Thanks for the great review. I know what im getting into now.
For the price I think it is excellent! Won't take you down to crazy low temps, but it's roomy and warm and Teton Sports has amazing customer service. I've had almost no issues with their products, but in the rare instance that there is a problem, they fix it right away.
Omg buying a new bag is so frustrating! Thanks for the video I am going to get this on your recommendation their reviews also look good. Hate reading reviews on a $200 bag and people say they freeze. I am more of a winter biker backpacker so it’s cold!
Thanks, Jessica! Ya, reviews are tough with bags and quilts bcause everyone sleeps so different and there are SO MANY different variables (clothing, diet, weather factors other than temp, altitude, blah blah blah). For me this is a great bag!
I'd like to try bikepacking one of these days! Sounds awesome!
@dose.of.dirt just want to say thanks again. Got my pad and sleeping bag on the PCT and had the best night sleep and was never 🥶 cold.
@@jessicawilkins7139 THAT IS AWESOME!!! Seriously so awesome when you find something that is comfortable and warm and doesn't cost a fortune!! Ya, I'm a Paria fan for life now! affordable, warm, and comfortable! AND their customer service is top notch!!
Good one.
Thank you!
You're good... you're good... There's just one problem and one additional info needed.
a) You're not Canandian. But I guess we all can live with that ;)
b) What to add is: Duck down may have a smell. Some people doesn't bother, some does.
Keep coming with your videos, you're top notch!
Awesome test. I'd go with the paria for sure. I own 2 Kelty Cosmic 20. One is 550 FP and the other is 800FP DriDown. You can see the difference in the loft. Great sleeping bags and especially if you get them on sale.
Thanks, Arnold! Yes, the Paria is definitely the winner here! You just can't beat real down and the fit was perfect for me!
I've thought about the Kelty Cosmic. Seems like a good bag, but I already have so many! 🤣 Crazy how much difference the FP makes. I love laying the bag out and seeing that big old loft before getting in.
Thanks so much for watching!
Jeff - Cosmic vs Paria would be a much appreciated comparison when you can. All the best!
Pariah also have a very good customer service.
Great video! Your vids are helping me find the right gear I need. BTW, did you try the Trazon sleeping pad with the bottom chamber blown up tight and the top softer yet? What did you think? Also is there a way to make your existing sleeping pad work better to in colder weather? Thanks!
Hey Kev! I'm so glad that the videos are helpful! It's a lot of fun testing out the gear and making the videos!
I should have circled back with you! I DID try the 'soft top Trazon' method and it is definitely more comfortable! I've learned that I like the pad not quite all the way inflated, which works great if the pad has a good baffling system, but really exposes those pads with a bad baffling system.
For me, I seem to really gravitate towards the horizontal baffling system, rather than one like the Trazon, but I think that is more of a personal preference type thing. But you're making me think about putting it bag in the regular rotation.
As far as increasing the warmth of your existing pad, I think the best thing you can do is get a closed cell foam pad to go underneath your existing pad (did this on a recent backpacking trip). You'll see a lot of people with a Thermarest Z Lite, but Redcamp and some other 'off brand' manufacturers make something that's basically the same thing for a lot less (I think $25-$30 usually). I've read that R values are additive, so if you put that foam pad with an R value of 2 underneath your existing pad with an R Value of 2, then you have an R value of 4!
I've also seen that some people put the reflective windshield shades underneath to try to reflect some heat back. I haven't tried this (or even looked into how effective it is) but that is another cheap option.
My video next week is about 2 winter sleeping pads that are only $90. But adding a $30 foam pad to your Trazon would definitely be cheaper!
Let me know what you decide to try out and how it works!
Thanks for watching and your continued support!
I need to make a shelf just like that one in my apt, for the exact same purpose. Just maybe 4 ft longer.
I’m 5’4 female and have had and used both bags” and both do keep me warm” what I like about Teton is lot less expensive and if it’s not cold enough to wear layers then my skin doesn’t stick to the inside of the Teton bag like it does in the Paria..
also teton one does have the pocket”
As well as the short one is 75” x 30” x 20” and weighs 3.85 lbs I take it on motorcycle trips I have a few bags and I’ll stick with this one it’s my favorite.. I have a few down bags and they are very costly and not worth the price I paid for them much harder to take care of.. and as far as Teton not having the collar well if it’s that cold I’d prefer to wear a Sherpa Hood Ski Mask in my bag it moves well with me and protects me and keeps me and my bag warmer..
Awesome video. Can you do one on the therm drop
You mean a video on the thermodrop? I haven't considered that, but I like the idea! It's such a cool little thermometer!
Thanks for the great vid 👍
I always prefer more affordable gear. I use camping gear for more than 30 years now and my experiences, especially in the last 10-15 years are: if don't want something fancy, EXTREM lightweight or else, you better go budget line. E.g. my sleeping bags are:
for summer (comfort rating about 13-15°C): a small high peak for less than 35,-
for temp. to 5-0°C: Grüezi Bag for about 60-70,- (sell) - that's my "Standart"
for temp. 0° and below: Snugpack for 55° (sell) - the only con on the Snugpack is, it's a bit "snug" ^^ so, you better are a bit wider buil (like me )
All bags are bought new and lasted now since years.
I also have an old great down sleeping bag, but cost about 180,- back than, it's rated like the Grüezi Bag, but it's bigger in packing size, not very lighter and definitely not more comfortable. So it isn't worth the much higher prize - little anecdote: the zipper at the expensive one only lasts about a year, so meanwhile it's a down blanket 🤦♂😂
New sub here. Great review!!!!
Thank you! Much appreciated!
Not sure if you still check this video and the comments. Based on your review I purchased the Paria. It’s been out of stock for months until this week. Paria is a incredibly awesome company. I’ve purchased a bunch of other items since you turned me on to them.
nice video
Just glad I didn’t have to do this test !!🥶
🤣🤣 Ya, I mentioned at dinner one night that it was going to get pretty cold that night. My daughter asked "does that mean you're not going to sleep in the tent?"
And I replied, "No way! That means I HAVE to sleep in the tent for the test!" 🤣 Good times.
Jeff - I would LOVE for you to compare the Paria Thermodown 0 and Hyke and Byke Eolus 0 or Antero 0. I own the Hyke and Byke, and on paper, it looks better (800 FP Goose Down), but I would love to see it compared to the Thermodown. Cheers, from a fellow Utahn.
Do you review hammock gear? The way you cover every aspect would benefit us in the hammock world.... just sayin......love yer vids.
Thanks for the cool video I thank you very much.. Now I have a question..I hope I ask it correctly so your answer will make sense.. Background on me.. No real experience in camping but love the idea (budget is small world will end I'll be out there alone) lol if I'm going camping would rather do it spring and fall not winter or summer my area winters are 30 ish ° on average my summers are 80° at night with 50° humidity... If you pick a bag that says 0° degrees and it keeps you at a smultering 88° would it be 188° if it was only 50s??? So I guess I'm asking if a bag could keep you warm at 0° would it dehydrate you at 50°?
I bought the Teton sports Altos OF and went for a 2 night trip before Easter weekend. First night it got to 8C and was good, next night it was 5C and a little chilly. Definitely wouldn’t use it anywhere close to the rated temp, going to look for another bag maybe the one you like
Hey Shane! Ya, sometimes the ratings can be a bit deceiving. I wonder if the 0F is the 'extreme' rating. I think that's what they did on the Leef as well.
Ya, the Paria has treated me well. I haven't taken it down to 0F, but I have taken it down to about 15F and it did well (with a good sleeping pad my base layer, socks, and beanie on as well). I have noticed that the down sometimes has to be moved back into the center of the baffles (basically where my chest is when I'm on my back). Probably because I sleep on my side sometimes. Not a big deal since I can just push it back up there ever few trips, but just something to note.
Would love to know what you decide to go with.
Thanks for the review! I'm a cold sleeper. Would you trust the Paria bag in under 15-20 degree weather?
Hey Ruthie! If you're a cold sleeper, I probably wouldn't trust it down to 15 degrees UNLESS you have some good layers on underneath the Paria. If I'm going down to zero degrees, I wear a good warm base layer, warm socks, my puffy coat, and a good beanie to stay warm. I don't mind doing that for extreme cold because it also means when it isn't that cold I can just use the sleeping bag without all the extra layers (Instead of having a sleeping bag that can ONLY be used for super duper cold trips!).
If you pick one up, I'd love to hear what you think! Their customer service is EXCELLENT!
Thanks for commenting!
Hi love your reviews. I'm looking at one of the Naturehike bags (cw400 with the 750 fill) motorcycle fall camping and to old and stiff for a mummy bag. Have you ever been around any of their bags?
Thank you! I have not had the chance to try any Naturehike bags unfortunately. I would like to, but just haven't been able to work it into the budget yet. Seems like they make a decent product, but I haven't tried one. I also did a quick search to see if any CZcamsrs I know/trust have done any reviews, but didn't see any. :/
If you end up trying one out, I'd love to know what you think!
Thanks for the video. What temperature gauge is that?
Hopefully it was helpful!
The thermometer is the Thermodrop from Thermoworks. I love it!
Very informative and detailed video. What is the name of that small digital thermometer?
Thanks, man! It's a Thermodrop from ThermoWorks. And I seriously love it. You usually can't get them on amazon, but the company sells them directly and I just saw they are on sale for $15.40. Here's a link: www.thermoworks.com/thermodrop/?gclid=Cj0KCQiAweaNBhDEARIsAJ5hwbfuBrXsVHI1o53PNCSVKoClcZwkLFneY4m6I9dSJP-N3pGJ0rZdyKgaAvtrEALw_wcB
Or if you just search "thermodrop from thermoworks" it should come up.
I will say that the key ring it comes with is basically crap. So I ordered some "Nite Ize" S-Biners from Amazon. A lot easier to move from pack to pack that way.
So far I love it. You can turn it off so it doesn't kill battery. And it records the current temp, high, and low for each session that it's on. Fun to take backpacking to know the actual temp and low overnight!
@@DoseofDirt Thank you! Just got two so thanks for the info my friend! was pissed that Amazon doesn't sell them so had to pay the $5 shipping. Oh well. Look forward to adding this item to my gear! Happy Holidays!
Hi. I live in Canada and have started winter camping over the last couple years. Starting to look at backpack winter camping. I have a hot tent but am still figuring out how to manage condensation. Do you think if this paria bag got a little wet it would still keep you warm considering the down is not treated. Thank's.
Hey Jeff, can you tell us which thermometer you used in these tests? Been looking for a small thermometer and this one might be ideal. Thanks!
Hey Marcio! Absolutely! I love the thermometers and take at least one on every trip or hike.
It's called the Thermodrop from Thermoworks. They are about $20 and so far it seems you can really only get them directly from the company:
www.thermoworks.com/thermodrop/
Also, the little keychain loop that comes with it is terrible. I replaced it with an S clip from Nite-ize, and it makes it really easy to move from pack to pack, or other locations: amzn.to/3vwHcgz
The only thing to be aware of is that it takes a little while to sync with the ambient temperature (for example, if I take it out of the warm car and start hiking on a cold day, it will take 5-10 minutes to get down to the actual outside temp).
I dig my leef 0. I love the fabric feel and it keeps me plenty warm in the cold. I just wish it was lighter…
Yes! The Leef is a good bag down to certain temps, and works even lower if I wear additional layers! But like you said, pretty heavy! That brushed poly inside does feel nice!
Thanks for watching!
If space and weight are not a concern I recommend the coleman 0 degree bag. Bulky heavy 50 bucks.
Hey Dudly! Yes, I've looked at the Coleman 0 degree bag. If you're driving up to the campsite (or love carrying a lot of weight on your back) that bag seems to be a bargain! Definitely worth the mention!Thank you!
And thanks for watching!
@@DoseofDirt I am trying it out in the white mountains in March. Hopefully also beforehand in Maine. Will keep you posted.
@@dudlydjarbum2045 awesome! The whites are somewhere I really want to hit up someday! If the bag can keep you warm in the whites in March, then I think you have a winner! Would love to hear about your trip and how the bag works for you!
Great review! I'm from Canada and I plan on camping while -25c, not sure if it's worth paying $100 more for an adequate one or going with this one from the test. With a good insulation matt and wool layers I think it should be fine eh?
BRRRR!! 🤣 I used it again this weekend down to about 15F. It was enough, but just barely. Paria gives it a comfort rating of 0F (-17C). I want to try it again with a higher R value sleeping pad (the pad I was using was 4.5) to see how it does in that situation. But -25C is COLD! I would probably look for another bag (or add some serious layering!) You guys get some serious temps up in Canada! 🥶🥶🥶
The other thing you can do is double up if you have a quilt or another bag you can use unzipped over the top. If you end up using it in temps like that, I'd love to know how it does!
Thanks so much for watching!
@@DoseofDirt Thank for replying! Yea, I agree, I might have to go with a -Teton -40c sleeping bag + a sleeping pad of at least 4.5. It's not that easy to find information and/or people who have winter camped in Manitoba, usually they hot tent... I guess I'll find out why soon lol I watched some of your other videos winter camping and found good info about the stove and fuel, I wasn't sure if the valves would just freeze or something, it'll be interesting to try it out.
@@viniciuscosta7018 Hey Vinicius! I'm glad you found some helpful videos! Teton definitely makes good stuff! That -40C bag must be HEAVY but would be worth it for the warmth if you need it!
Another channel that has a lot of great winter backpacking stuff is Justin Outdoors. He lives in Canada and deals with ridiculously cold temps up there, so if you haven't heard of him (you probably have) you should definitely check him out!
What do you put underneath you (I saw an inflatable in the video)? I used a supposedly zero-degree cold-weather mummy bag this weekend (26 degrees F) and everything was warm except the bottom which was uncomfortably cold.
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What sleeping pad did you use? I have some for summer and some for winter (these will have some insulation and/or reflective material in them).
My current favorite pad for wintertime is the Paria Outdoors Recharge XL (did a video comparing it to the Gear Doctors Apollo Air). The pad makes a HUGE difference. The Recharge XL has an estimated R value of around 4.5, so if it's going to be much colder than 15-20F, I also take my Thermarest Z lite closed cell foam pad (those accordion looking foam pads).
I took that pad out this last weekend and it did well, but it would have been a little better with the thermarest as well.
@@DoseofDirt Thank you for the quick response! I should've looked through your other videos before commenting - I saw them and they were very helpful. I've subscribed. Thanks! (It's going to be the Recharge XL for me).
@@reflactor No worries! Sometimes the other videos don't have all the other info that you're looking for, so the comments are great!
Everyone's warmth needs are a little different in the winter, but for 26F the Paria would be the one I would take with me!
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Did you have the same diet before each test? Sugar/ carb intake will make a big difference on your body's ability to produce heat.
Thanks, Tim! You're right! I can't say I remember exactly, but both were over Thanksgiving break, so I'm guessing it was turkey, potatoes, stuffing, gravy, and pie both days! 🤣 Maybe if I do another test I'll make sure my diet is super consistent (as well as my activity during the day).
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Decisions decisions 😂 I gotta have another bag
Never hurts to have another one! 🤣
@@DoseofDirt your not wrong
Virginia is for lovers✌🏽✌🏽
Its sure comfortable being in that sleeping bag.
Yes it is! Cozy at 88 degrees when it's below freezing outside!
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Comparing a sleeping bag to another 3X the price?
I need you and Dan Becker to collab!
I'm totally down 👀👀👀 @DanBecker
Would you say that the Paria bag is wide enough for a side sleeper that is roughly your size?
Yes! I am a side sleeper and it works well. The only thing is that with my shoulder sort of 'maxing out' the height, it has a tendency to push the down to the sides in the horizontal baffles. Not a big deal (and all bags deal with down migration) but just have to remember to even it out the first night of each trip or the insulation isn't as good.
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how do you like that osprey talon? i own the same bag (i assume the same, M/L version) and theres no going back to a higher capacity bag in the sping/summer/early fall. i have dialed in my setup pretty good. i get wtf'd about it as some people dont understand how i fit all of my gear inside. one word: ultralight :).
Hey Zak! Love your comments! You nailed it! I've used the Talon 44 on a few trips now and love taking it instead of my 70 liter. That thing is just way too big for late spring, summer, and early fall trips. There is just no need for it! And I save 3 lbs by taking the Talon 44 instead of the aether 70! Ya, I'm a big fan of the Talon 44! The red one is a Talon 33 as well. I may try to get my summer setup into it for next year since I've just upgraded my tent.
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@@DoseofDirt haha, I was actually refering to the talon 33. I didn't realize you had the 44 version as well. It's a versatile bag. I use a kestrel 48 for my late fall and winter trips. I'm actually going out tonight to put the Apollo Air to the test! It will be -15°C, but with wind, will feel like -28°C. Should be fun.
@@DoseofDirt what tent are you using now? Have you tried the Lanshan? It's my go-to! It is a trekking pole tent and I know you said you don't use trekking poles, but you can get dcf poles too. I'm using it tonight as well after testing it in the backyard the other night.
@@zakafx 🤣🤣 Ya, I've seen some people get all their stuff into the 33. I think I'm close, so maybe I'll give it a shot! Ya, the 44 is nice because it has straps on the bottom and the brain is extendable, so I can strap stuff to it more easily. They are both great bags!
@@zakafx I've heard good things about the Lanshan. I actually jus barely got a Zpacks Triplex! The tent in this video was a budget tent from a brand called Bessport. It's been a good tent, but weights almost 6 lbs...
I had some money from selling my mountain bike, so put some of it towards a new tent. I often take my two huskies and/or 1 or 2 other people, so I needed a 3 person tent. Not a lot of options out there for ultralight 3 person tents. My video next week is actually going to be comparing all the tents I was considering before buying the triplex.
30 outside is a heatwave winter night. So they must be rated for 0 celsius? If you get cold with a "0 degree" bag when it's that hot out, how could it possibly work when it actually gets cold? If it's only a 40 degree difference between the outside temp and the inside bag temp, then it's only going to be 40 degrees inside the bag when it's actually 0 fahrenheit.
Yes, the Teton is rated as a 0 celsius bags, but I think the Teton is using more of the 'extreme' rating (meaning it will barely keep you warm in temp. The Paria is techncially rated as 0 degree F bag, which I wouldn't rust it down to, but it was definitely warmer than the Teton bag.
I know what you're getting at with the 40 dgree difference, but I think there are a lot of other factors to consider, like how much heat I'm dumping with the neck all the way open, zipper open, etc.
I've used the Paria down to 15F and it worked great (still 80+ in the bag!).
Test at 9:20 ...
@13:27, 13:36, 13:50 You got your high and low mixed up on the screen. Oops!
Ah dang! Thanks for pointing it out!
Comfort Ratings:
Teton - 34°F
Paria - 0°F
Not a fair comparison from the get go. IMO Budget bags are often advertised at their limit rating. Since Paria thinks that the comfort rating is 0°F then I would like to see that tested in 10°F weather (want to give yourself about 10° buffer just in case it gets colder than expected)
Since the Teton has a 34 degree rating and the outside temps were from 29 to 35 and you stated that you were initially warm and then cold in the morning. It seems that the Teton 34 rating is accurate.
Still a great review video especially where you gave all the details.
Most important take away.... pay attention to which rating is being advertised. :-)
Thanks Doc! Couldn’t agree more! Maybe I should have emphasized the ‘pay attention to which rating is being advertised point more’. They are bags designed for different temps but being advertised as appropriate for the same temps. If you don’t pay attention to the details, you may just go online looking for a “zero degree bag” and of course you’ll get the one that’s $100 cheaper! Or at least I would. 🤣
I’m hoping for some colder days so I can really test out the Paria. It may not get cold enough in Virginia where I live, but really want to put this bag to the test so I’ve been looking for cold spots nearby!
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Pah REEE Ahh. Not pa rye ah.
Ugh. I know. Wish I'd known before I filmed these videos! 😆
Future videos will (mostly) have it pronounced correctly... 😆
Good review...but you don't seem to live up to your self description of being "cheap." Your choice, understandably, is 3 times the price. Still, I appreciate your input and maybe a caveat regarding your self characterization is in order, or just a different title to your shoot out - comparing a bag that is 3x the price of the other is silly. Again thanks. Adam