The Story of Ciri & Yen in The Witcher Season 2 with Anya Chalotra and Freya Allan
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- čas přidán 28. 04. 2022
- Anya Chalotra and Freya Allan talk us through the respect, mistrust, and maternal aspect of Yennefer and Ciri's complex relationship in The Witcher Season 2, and how they think Ciri and Yen's bond will evolve in Season 3.
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I think the main problem and backlash is that the netflix show take these bonds between the characters for granted. They think they can skip all of the build up and that wont work. Yennefer betraying Ciri is also out of character in the most extreme way I've ever seen.
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They basically used only the names of the characters and invented a whole new story..
@@ivankovacevic1910 Lies.
They ignored the Blood of elves story for a large part, inventing their own stories instead
@Rev ٖ You can't say that there is no backlash. And I'm not hating on the show, I actually liked most of it. But there is a fair amount of critisism as a book adaptation that has been voiced by many. Just do a quick search for reviews and you will see for yourself. No hate, just some things that were porly adapted.
It’s unfortunate that we have the most perfect actors possible for these roles yet the writing is lacking. I adore the show and am obsessed with it but it clearly has a lot of issues with the writing and characters. But damn, Henry, Anya, Freya, and Joey are literally the most perfect people possible for these characters. At least we have them ❤️
Żebrowski was also good.
And that beautiful dragon that even Wołodyjowski admired...
Smoku, jesteś piękny!
I'm a defender of the show and I have to agree with you. The pacing of relationship development was overlooked for a plot that wasn't quite hooked in right in season 2. If either had happened I'd be on my high horse, but it didn't work well enough. The ambition of season 1 that infuriated people with "Oh what I have to actually look for clues and pay attention to figure out what is going on?" was fine with me because it was an artistic and ambitious choice that elevated the narrative style of the original author's short stories and in fact honored the tradition of fairy tales and short stories generally with it's form. But season 2 attempted an A plot B plot structure and the creativity as it were was lashed to the mast of a storm it couldn't survive.
Yeah the main cast was the perfect fit, but the script is so shallow and dumbed down. No epic, eloquent quotes from season 2. And they destroyed uncle vesimir's character
It's really unfortunate the show didn't adapt the bonding moments in the books, it's one of my favorite chapters. It humanized Yen a bit, but in the show, it just feels like they want to deconstruct her. It's sad we won't get a proper adaptation, it really is.
Cz the book is only an inspiration to create their own
omg yes, they are making Yennefer away more immature and completely changing her personality, which is described in the books as a person who "laughs as rarely as she gets angry" implying how mature and rational she is, but in the series they are completely changing this making her much more childish and immature, which jeopardizes her future relationship with Ciri
@@Alcinaswifefrfr there doing that so later on they can develop her into a more mature understanding person. The books are an inspiration but not the holy grail that needs to be followed. The show is gonna take different steps here & there but ultimately the events/ending is going to be that of the books.
@@user-wj4mx1ez9d we don't know if this will really happen, we can only hope and even then it still bothers me the way they are adapting both Yennefer and Ciri, changing their levels of maturity affects their relationship a lot, they are making her a totally reckless person, her calm and yet sarcastic way was totally changed to a completely chaotic person, not to mention the rush development they did it in the end of the season. I'm curious to see how the dynamic between Yennefer and Ciri plays out as they completely change their personalities, making Yen more childish and Ciri much more mature than the child she is in the books.
I think you’ll get that in season 3. In the books, that bond happened after Ciri studied at Meliteli for a bit and then going into Yennefer’s care after that. I think that’s coming.
Damn, can't wait till the writers read the book.
The writers have read the books.
@@LNER985 Obviously they didn't read well.
@@artemida30 Obviously they did read well and clearly you don't understand what goes onto adapting. Something from paper to screen.
@@LNER985 Well, the adaptation of the book took more than 5-10% out of it!!!! And this is definitely not when everything is changed to the ground and the actions of all the characters!
@@LNER985 Than they clearly read the wrong books.
I honestly can't believe that Lauren and her team came up with the idea of Yennefer wanting to sacrifice Ciri. Like how? Why? For the unnecessary drama? Eh its just so wrong. Yennefer and Geralt were one of the few people who never wanted to use Ciri for their own benefit, NEVER but yeah Lauren Hissrich just doesn't care at all :/ I don't know how they will fix it in season 3
Lauren Hissrich does care and clearly, you don't care about the Witcher.
@@LNER985 Yeah sure, keep telling yourself that.
@@dominika3828 People like you cry all the time that Yennefer wanted to sacrifice Ciri, but the fact that Yennefer sacrificed herself for Ciri at the end of episode 8 doesn't seem to matter. She slit her wrist and risked her life for Ciri to make up for her mistake but no, it's always just "Yennefer wanted to sacrifice Ciri mimimi". But I understand you need your reasons to hate the series and LSH, so Yennefer's reparation just doesn't suit you😂
@@starindl962 I know that she sacrificed herself for Ciri, at least something.... but it was rushed. First, she changed her mind at the very last moment and decided not to sacrifice Ciri and then she sacrificed herself for her even though she knew her for several hours. sorry but it really felt rushed and weak so no wonder so many people have problem with this. I love their relationship in the books, I love it very much even more than the relationship between Geralt and Ciri so I'm very disappointed with the way the show has presented it and I know that there will be a third season and they will probably try to fix it but whats done is done and for what? unnecessary drama
@@LNER985 book fans know she only picked the witcher for the Ciri-Mistle relationship from ToC and BoF. And instead of portraying Mistle as Ciri's abuser, they will make them a normal lesbian relationship.
As for Yennefer in the show. People defend her because after sacrificing Ciri she kinda sacrificed herself to save her. However this still does not help build trust and create a mother daughter relationship. Yen was just pulling Ciri out of the mess she made. This gives Ciri no reason to like Yennefer as all she did was put her and her friends in danger and filled her with guilt for killing witchers. What show defenders miss is that even if Ciri forgives Yen "if" that's even possible, the wirters still butchered their relationship. In the books none of that Baba Yaga nonsense happened. Yennefer trains Ciri (properly not those stupid "fuck" spells) in Nenneke's temple and we get to see Ciri open up to Yennefer:
Ciri tells her she's afraid of another war which would lead to ber losing everyone she cares for and ending up alone and on the run. Ciri even calls Yen mama at some point.
Geralt: They only approach those who are pure off heart. Which reminds me.. looks at Yennefer How did you get your hands on me?
Yennefer: Good sir, I'm a beacon of purity.
Geralt: looks at her like, Are you now?
SMILES
Yennefer: Laughs
Ok: If this isn't romance, then I didn't know what that word means.
Which episode?
Episode 6 of the second season
@@_yennefer_editor thank you!!
This actually made me blush.😶😘😄
I was very disappointed with how the relationship between Yennefer and Ciri was presented. I was looking forward to this season because of their relationship which I loved in books but unfortunately I didn't get what I wanted. We should see them become a mother and daughter but instead we have Ciri who does not trust Yennefer.
that's why season 3 is in production, bc maybe they will fix yenn and ciri's relationship in season 3?
@@kentowen7928 I honestly hope so, but I don't trust these writers. In these two seasons so far they haven’t been able to do justice to the relationship between Yennefer and Geralt so in the case of Ciri and Yen I do not have high hopes either
@@anyalaza5642 Lies they have done justice to the Geralt and Yennefer relationship.
well if that's ur opinion then okay, but im more waiting on season 3 abt their magic and fight scenes
@@LNER985 when? 😂 You clearly dont know what youre talking about. Their relationship on the show is terribly shallow. The series showed only 10% of it. At this point of the story they should have lived together for a whole year already but in the show they only saw each other a few times and thats it. Indeed justice is done lol
Well done piece! I loved getting some of this motivational background and root development for momentum next season.
Looking forward to seeing how their bond grows in Season 3!! It would be incredible to see them learn to trust each other and become mother-daughter. Love these 2 characters, and hoping to also see the family bonding with Geralt. And of course with Jaskier too!
Second season was such a bummer
No, it wasn't and season two was good.
@@LNER985 Season 2 was very good, it's a little slow told at times, but it's a build-up season, just like BoE is a build-up for the rest of the book saga. So Season 3 will definitely have a lot more pacing.
I'm looking forward to it😊⚔️🐺
They wasted what could have been one of the best mother daughter relationship in any tv show. In the books, Ciri and Yennefer has to earn each others trust before Yen can teach anything to Ciri, in the show, they just skip all of that completly.
Lies.
@@LNER985 did you read the books?
I'm hopeful they'll fix this in season three and focus at least a few episodes on developing Yen and Ciri's relationship.
I'm hopeful they'll fix this in season three and focus at least a few episodes on developing Yen and Ciri's relationship.
@@Alcinaswifefrfr I have read the books.
Like... Yooo! It cleared so much of the plot for me. I was thinking from the very moment Geralt said "to slay a monster" that he meant Yen!
I love this show but when we get to talk about Yennefer and Ciri's relationship, the show leaves a lot to be desired, taking all the development of their relationship to be replace with hollow action scenes, not to mention the change in personality both of Ciri and especially of Yennefer, sadly leaving much to be desired
First they butchered the father and daughter relationship in s1, which I still don't feel any bonding between them in s2.
In s2 instead of seeing a mother and daughter relationship, we got yennefer trying to sacrifice ciri to an evil elf witch. I hear some people say that they gonna fix it in s3 but I cannot see how this is possible anymore. Why would you want to trust a stranger who tried to sacrifice you and sell you to an evil witch on top of that call her your mother..
They didn't butcher the father and daughter relationship between. Geralt and Ciri. In season two we got the start of the mother and daughter relationship.
You may not have noticed, but Yennefer sacrificed herself for Ciri at the end of Episode 8. She slit her wrists and risked her life to get The Witch out of Ciri. I think she definitely deserves a second chance after something like this.
Father & daughter wasn’t 100% there but it for sure wasn’t butchered. As to mother & daughter I somewhat agree.
The main problem with Yen/Ciri and Geralt/Ciri is they did not really show any of the real bonding. You only really find out how Ciri feels about Geralt is when she and Yen are riding to Cintra and she says "He's the father I never had" and "So you love him too".
Reading the books, Yennefer and Ciri’s bond building is one of the most amazing things I’ve ever read. [Spoiler Alert] When Yennefer says goodbye to Ciri in Garstang it gave me goosebumps… sadly, I don’t get that in the TV show. I reckon that this is an adaptation, but there are moments in the books that the reader thinks “shite, this would be really freaking awesome to have a visual of!”… Come on fellas!
"Read the books" - Joey Batey
-Ciri changed Yen (in the series)..
-Nope! Like" no". You had only one day !!!! In the book,with Yen,it took a couple of months to feel connected with the girl, to feel like a mother! Not 1 day!!! (And by the way, from Sodden to Cintra, it may be possible to get there in one day, but from Oxenfurt - NO !!!!)
Bruh most of there time together was Yennefer planning to kill Ciri, such a strong bond lol
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The writers seem to be obsessed with the idea of child sacrifices
This show is awesome.
waiting for season 3, btw when will season 3 be released, right?
I get what everyone is saying but you tell me of a better ..book ..to.. game ..to TV show ? Don't bother this is the best !!!! Love it and can't wait for season 3 !!!!!!!!
I love this show
In season 3 (hopefully):
Ciri: So, where did you two first meet?
Yen: That doesn't matter.
Geralt: At an orgy
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Love this show
Ciri Freya Allan is the most beautiful 😍girl actress ever she is so beautiful 😍in this show love 💘this awesome show ever made love 💘her kiss 😍💘💋😘😗😚😍💘💋😘😗😚😍💘💋
great vid
all I want to say Netflix "Yennefer would NEVER Sacrifice or Betray Ciri"
Legendas urgentemente!!!
I'm so glad I haven't read the books yet (though I'm currently playing the games so I have a bit of an idea how Yennefer feels about Ciri).
I understand where the fans are coming from. It's hard to have set expectations and not see them met. But I kinda like how things have progressed so far. Yennefer attempting to sacrifice Ciri to regain her power only served to reaffirm her personality and highlight her weaknesses, her flaws and her priorities.
Now, turning back from all of that and putting someone else's welfare above her own over and over again? That would be a complete reversal of all her past efforts - of advancing her own agenda at other people's cost. Do you have any idea how impactful that would be?
What happened in season 2 was a brilliant touch because it will serve to accentuate Yennefer's growth, of how Ciri and Geralt will help her bloom into a version of herself that she never thought existed.
I’m glad to see most everyone is as upset with The shows Yen/Ciri arc as I am.
i love this show but I believe it could be better if they extended the season 2-3 more episodes so that the story telling was stretched out more and not so "race for time". Also more scenes of Daddy Henry shirtless is never a bad thing.
I love this girl...🥰🥰
which one...?
Let’s hope that some things which are destined can be avoided since it seems through the vision that Siri is destined to destroy at least some of the world.
What? There is no story
People talking about how Yennefer could betray Ciri are missing the point. She didn't know the girl and she was gunning for her power, the one thing that made her feel that she belonged in the world. She was desperate but in the end she didn't go through with it. The redemption and bonding will come next season. People just want to hate on things even though season 2 was a vast improvement on season 1.
Yennifer always seemed really doggy in the games. At first anyway.
Before s1 was released Lauren said in an interview that this adaptation won't disappoint the audience as GoT's final seasons, because all of Sapkowski's books are already finished and they'll strictly follow them.
Yep 👍 Nice job, you guys. Butchering the most important trope in the saga, i.e. family. Good luck pulling out any decent scenario after this fiasco
@@BilboTav that's completely true! Besides, Sapkowski's greed doesn't help: "I congratulate Lauren and her team on their excellent work. Adapting my books is not an easy task. I watched with great joy, and I hope for an even more epic season 3." (Quote from the series' Instagram page)...
@@nedalilova8970 i am amazed how some fans still think that Sapkowski really likes the show...the only reason why he said that was because Netflix payed him to say it
@@tommyvercetti3263 let's not comment how unfair is this for CD Project Red who adapted his world with the ultimate respect and passion and as a gift Sapkowski sued them...
@@nedalilova8970 exactly and the only reason why he doesn't like the video games is because he thinks CD Project Red didn't payed him enough....he should be grateful because if it weren't for the video games witcher would not be that popular
@@tommyvercetti3263 yep! The public explanation which he has given differs. He claims that he was mainly irritated due to the fact that most of his books had images of the games on their cover, however, this is not CD Project Red's fault - the blame has to be put on the publishing houses. He despised how ppl tend to know his books due to the video games and admired George R. R. Martin's decision of selling GoT's rights to a movie studio. Now he goes with the flow without giving a f, because he has both the money and the fame. I admire him as an author, but it's quite obvious that he doesn't give a damn about his works. Moreover, it's absolutely hilarious how in the beginning of the bonus book 'Season of Storms' he leaves a note where he literally lowkey trashes all over videogames' Geralt. Few years later - swoosh! - he loves Geralt as a super sexy muscular buffed guy and praises his representation (nothing against Henry, he is giving his best and saves the show on several occasions).
Please tell me season 3 is going to release this year
No way. If they wont shut filming for some kind of reason. Then season 3 will be released spring 2023.
cant wait for season 3
I loved the season, my only problem was why they put an antagonist in the series that really wasn't there in the books and really wasn't necessary either
unfortunetly Yennefer was turned into a villain, Geralt's love and respect towards her was forgotten, realy wish Netflix followed more the books, or It will become a Percy Jackson
The way the season ended I’m sure they find their love again
I can't wait season 3
Wait untill Geralt meets Vilgefortz combat capabilities, he will never call Yennefer the most powerful. I dont want to spoil it but he is so powerful that the Lounge is afraid of him.
"Daddy's kissing someone uhh"
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Season two really showed many flaws of writing (sadly, like season 7 of GoT), including the mother-daughter bond. And yet, the biggest mistake was pacing (like instant travel from Cintra to Kaer Morhen?). How many spells did Yen teach Ciri? Two? The best thing Lauren could have done was to take it slow and let us spend some time with them in the temple of Melitele or on the road.
I hope that season three will be better, but I doubt it very much.
I am big big fan of freya allan and I like freya allan
I will give you a chance in season 3 to fix this mess you made with the relationships between Yennefer and Ciri and Yennefer and Geralt but if you write your own story again which focuses mainly on action and some stupid drama instead of deepening the relationship between our main trio then I will just stop watching because it's not worth it😬
the truth is nobody cares if hardcore book fans stop watching, much less the creators or Netflix...
this series is clearly aimed at mainstream audience and people who just wanna enjoy some good fantasy TV...
personally as someone who never read the books i think the show is beautiful to say the least, and they're clearly planning on not just changing the books but writing a completely alternate lore that is loosely based on them, in their perspective it gives more freedom to the writer's imagination which i think is good (i mean can u confidently tell me Voleth Meir was not a good concept)
i say either enjoy it for what it is or just don't watch it if it's not fun to u..u still have the books and games they're not going anywhere u know
The relationship between Geralt, Yennefer and Ciri isn't a mess.
@@mjdmjd02 that has to be the most idiotic comment I’ve seen in awhile
@@kellywilson8400 @Kelly Wilson i'm not gonna respond to the insult but clearly we have vastly different opinions...
just so u understand i did not imply that the creators being more honest to the source material wouldn't work with mainstream audience if that's what u think...
@@mjdmjd02 I didn't read the books nor have I played the games. I could barely watch the last episode, it felt like a drag all the way. I didn't understand why they had to reveal the discount Baba Yaga as the main villain of the season right at the end and set aside other plotlines which seemed more interesting. The characters' goals and motives do not even fit the ones they had in the first season. S2 Yen is nothing like S1 Yen (S1 Yen wanted a child more than anything and now she is willing to sacrifice that child just to get back her powers, it makes no sense to her character), let alone what I heard of book Yen. Overall they have been setting up too many subplots which amounted to nothing in the end. I'll probably give the third season a chance to see if they get back on track but if they don't I'll just drop the series altogether.
Brasileiros, marquem sua presença.
I’m so excited for season3!!!
Show don't tell. You are trying to explain us what was going on on the screen, but you showed us something completely different. That's one of many reasons why I am not going to watch 3rd season.
You're no Witcher fan then.
Unfortunately,yes... 🤦🏼♀️
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is Freya Alan norwegian? Look at those eyes
ciri, daughter of yennefer!!!
y'all are just hating
Guess we sometimes forget that Yennefer and Geralt are far older than they look?
Because the actors are way too young. Obviously the entertainment industry would generally much rather cast young and attractive people. Everyone looks way too young and beautiful if you compare it to the source material.
@@DarkZerol seen lots of good actors portray age characters internally, look at April Bowby in Doom Patrol with her Rita who must be in her late 90's
Off topic, but look at the Freya's left eyebrow in the interview - why so many women have eyebrows like this, ALWAYS with LEFT ONE kind of disheveled on the inner side???
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NETFLIX….Compare Freya Allan (Ciri) to Brett Cooper. They could be Twins, or at least sister’s. Uncanny!
Bret is a shapiro doppelganger
this show needs a better writer... change Lauren Hissrich as soon as you can Netflix otherwise you will lose all the witcher fans
No it doesn't.
Freya, please no more "like" ❤️
Saying "like" is a filler word for many people, majority of which are women, use when their train of thought isn't yet completed. Men tend to use "um" as a filler word. It's totally normal when you stutter or aren't very good when it comes to thinking on the spot.
The mother/daughter relationship is so messed up and badly written. The casting doesn't help, with only 5 years between the two actresses. Anya Chalotra has more of a head for being a mean older sister.
Lies.
Yennefer is about 70 years old in the series so she has a big age difference to Ciri. She will always look very young. E.g. in the book "sword of destiny" in the short story "The Bounds of Reason" it is described that due to her transformation she has the body of a sixteen year old. So actually CD Project Red made a mistake because Yennefer looks way too old in Witcher 3.
Bet she like calling Geralt . daddy. 🤔😁
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No.
it is really hard to describe how big disappointment this show is for an old Spakowski fan.
FIRE. THE. WRITERS.
Awful adaptation of The Witcher.
Two of the worst-created characters. This series is a kind of misunderstanding.
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