Hey there! I just stumbled upon a new project called Freebeat Morph 2-in-1 eBike, and it sounds pretty interesting. It offers a unique feature where the bike can be charged indoors, which is a game-changer for indoor cycling enthusiasts. The Morph eBike also boasts an impressive motor and torque, making it a powerful and efficient ride. The Smart Saddle Detection+ feature and the ability to convert calories into CO2-free miles for outdoor rides are also intriguing. Overall, it seems like Freebeat has created a versatile and eco-friendly eBike. Definitely worth checking out!
Just went to a kicker after being on a mag for two years, wow it’s awesome! So smooth and so much faster at changing resistance than some or the kinetic smarts I’d ridden.
I’ve got nearly 700 miles on my Neo 2T and have to say I really love it. I’m new to trainers and paid more for the simplicity of calibration (there isn’t any) and loudness (can’t hear it over my bike gears). Didn’t realize I’d get momentum if I plugged it in! That’s a great tip!
I'm tempted by that too. I had been considering the Kickr Core, but I keep reading reviews of people going through multiple units because they keep having problems. I'd like to assume that these reviews still represent a tiny minority of Kickr owners, but I do see the bad reviews everywhere...
I bought Elite Zumo one week ago for GBP529 at Halfords. That's the new price tag during a pandemic. I love that turbo trainer. I was at aka 29$ turbo trainer with max 450W resistance. That's a whole different story. Have a lot of fun with GT bike 5 mod for GTA V and RGT cycling
I have been using a Tacx Neo for the last 4yrs, the best turbo I have used over my 35yrs of turboing. However it weighs 42 kgs so I am lucky that I have my turbo set up in a spare room! 😊
I recently set up my TACX and connected to ZWIFT. The set up, connection, and ride is excellent. I have tried other trainers but they all fall short a bit. If you can afford the TACX it is a must.
I have an ancient CycleOps Fluid Pro that's had sporadic use and has sat in a shed for much of its life. I didn't really have anywhere to use it. I now have a studio in my back garden so I have deployed it there with my equally ancient Giant MTB, fitted with a road tyre, where it won't bother the household or the neighbours with the mechanical noise, which I drown out anyway as I cruise along to Spotify channelled through some nifty Edifier bluetooth speakers. While we're Covid-confined it's a great exercise option and it means that if you get tired and want to stop you're not 27 miles from home. You also can't get nailed by an inattentive or inconsiderate car driver. (My preference has always been for off-road anyway, partly for the safety reason.) I've just discovered Bike The World and set up a spare 23 in. monitor in front of the bike, connected to my laptop. Yesterday I took a nice waterside ride in NZ and then did a short stretch alongside an alpine river in France. The day before I set out on a climb of the lower slopes of Mt Fuji, buzzed by too-close tourist coaches. There is nothing smart in my setup but it's remarkable how what your eyes see of incline have a psychological effect that affects how hard you pedal and use the gears and how it motivates you to work. It's a great workout and you get to see parts of the world you wouldn't otherwise see. I have a home projector on order so I can't wait till I get that set up in there... Thanks for the vid; I'm not a regular here or, indeed, a serious cyclist, but it was interesting to see what's on the trainer market these days compared to what was there when I bought mine in the days before apps and Zwift and Peloton and bluetooth...
Riding The Suito. Out of the box with the hub loose and made a heck of a lot of noise. Snaps and pop's and it was awful. Was really downhearted. Took the cassette away (the cassete came with the trainer and already assembled, you didnt mention it in the video, and that ups the value for money... ;-) ) and noticed that the hub was completelly loose. Screwed the nut on tightened it (too much actually, it is really soft Alum. and almost stripped it. Works great, only noise comes from the bike. Great buy, apart from the initial hickup...
I've been on the Suito since November (previously on KK road machine 'dumb'-trainer) and it has been excellent. Erg-mode has taken awhile to get used to, but it is quiet and works great with Zwift, Trainerroad, Sufferfest, etc.
I was able to get the new saris Hammer 3 for $825 and it is excellent. I would take it over all of the units you tested in your video. Easy setup, whisper quiet and a realistic feel with its 20lb flywheel.
I found a Cycleops H1 a few months ago for $600 new from a reputable retailer. Best deal ever. Not the quietest out there but certainly quieter than most. Using it with Rouvy and have had no issues and the reality / feel is quite good. Would not hesitate to buy again, best "bang for the buck".
Alda special for me with a wahoo device, Wahoo RPM Speed Sensor with Bluetooth 4.0 and ANT+4.5 Which connects to Zwift just as good, loud yes ( that’s why my wife as put me in the garden shed )🤣 but for indoor training I think it’s more than enough, Would love upgrade to the Elite Suito if any best reviews but for me some of the prices of these trainers is a new bike for me 👍🏻
My Suito has been perfect out of the box, fyi, and there was a firmware update that came out recently (no noticeable difference for me) as well. I believe the very earliest units had some issues, but by the time they reached the USA for sale, I understand those were worked out already. I’ve put just under 500 miles and have reached Level 12 on my Suito in Zwift since I bought it. Nice and quiet, and the feel is fantastic. Had a Kinetic fluid trainer before this since about 2009. This is leaps and bounds better.
Thanks for the video. I just bought a Cycleops Hammer because I got a great deal. I am coming from the Kurt Kinetics that you reviewed and I am happy so far. I only have two rides. Cheers
I liked that you included the $28. Trainer lol. Heck I'm using a yard sale find Blackburn Fluid that I picked up for $50. That had only been used a few times. I was nervous about reviews that said it would vibrate at high rpms but I get it above 110 and its still smooth as butter. It would be nice to have one that is recognized for programs such as zwift etc
@@deborahlockwood9035 try the Aldi then see if you want more. 2 Magene sensors will run you another $28 and you are Zwift ready, though if you don't have a use for Zwift (who needs it?) one and your phone will give good service.
For several years now I've been riding an Elite Fluid Trainer, the one with the red rubberized contact surface. It is quiet, and the power curve is a known value on Zwift, so along with my Wahoo Tickr, Cadence, and Speed sensors I get consistent watt readings. I won't say they're accurate, because I'm not sure they are, but they are consistent, so as I've seem my FTP rise, my ability has improved as well. I think it was around $125 when I purchased it some 10 years ago, and it has served me very well for getting a descent workout in on days it's just not my cup of tea outside weather-wise.
Just for your interest if you are using an Elite Crono Fluid (sounds very possible) I am still using one with Zwift but these days with a power meter. It's been good for years now and seems easy going on tyres. With regard to power accuracy Zwift was giving me about 10% on Z Power using that trainer (cross checked my power meter with other sources). Strangely the power curve I've seen for the trainer is more accurate than that but Zwifts take is more inflated. It is a weight on trainer (as in it relies on your weight to engage the roller) so that is another variable. One thing to note is it takes 15-20 minutes for the trainer's elastogel resistance to warm up/stabilise - e.g. spinning a consistent 90 rpm in the same gear takes firstly less watts say 250W before steadily rising to 300W and then stabilising somewhere around 280W. Worth noting, for the first few minutes, if you are only going off Z Power.
I’m just searching for an inexpensive quiet trainer, but after watching this video it feels like a spin class, not just riding indoors because of a pandemic? Also the technology what was that for? Like a treadmill. You have given me a lot to think about and I appreciate it.
I got a used spin bike online for free and put some power pedals and a cadence sensor on it. It's great and fully wireless. You need enough space for a stationary bike, you have to set your wattage by adjusting the bike resistance manually (no erg mode) and it's a little sad that it's a fixed gear but it's a super affordable way to get into it. Given how cheap spin bikes are and how cheap low end bike trainers with power are, I am surprised we don't see more purpose built cheap stationary bike trainers
I'm using a Cycleops M2, I love it. Smooth, easy set up, Rouvy is a nice. I haven't tried Zwift yet. The wattage and % climb become humbling very quickly. Various Rouvy rides may have 5000 logged rides and only the top 20 % are over 2.2 watts/Kg of weight. They keep you honest.
I just bought the Saris H3 and I love it as well. I like it better than the options he presented. I was able to get it for $800 using Discount Bandit which is $200 below all retailers.
I had the Kurt Kinetic Road Machine 2 for around 2yrs but found the noise to loud and the power profile shocking. Purchased a second hand tacx Neo 1 for $500 and wouldn't go back to a roll on turbo trainer. Smart - direct drive all the way......
Got a 2nd hand Kinetic for £70, happy days. I have it in my garage so noise is not an issue. I don't actually think its that loud, my cooling fan makes more noise.
Great video!! I think I win for the most primitive (and cheap) set-up. I have a 1978 10-speed Raleigh SuperCourse on a "dumb" Kinetic fluid trainer made "smart enough" by adding their inRide 3 Power Sensor accessory. Since finances are tight, I'm taking advantage of the generosity of RGT Cycling and using their premium service for free. Kudos to RGT! One area I have not skimped on is I am using the 4K Apple TV. It has much more robus hardware than the previous non-4K version and the graphics are far superior to that earlier version (I have the earlier version. It works, but the graphics are in quite underwhelming). Crank on!!!
Noob biker here. I have an $800 Specialized hybrid bike and am looking for a quiet bike trainer so I can bike while watching movies (don't care about Zwift). I heard the Wahoo was super quiet, but for that kind of money I could buy 2 stationary bikes... Any advice on a quiet yet inexpensive trainer?
It would be much less expensive to buy an indoor exercise bike. However, they do seem better than indoor exercise bicycles. Hey if that $28 one lasts for a season it paid for itself. I usually ride with music going so the noise would not bother me. I bought a 530-TRAINER which also fits on bicycles without quick release (so the website says). The wingnuts are on the outside frame so it alleges it can fit bikes that are not ten-speeds. Hey it's from Amazon and if it doesn't work I'll take it back.
It's not that loud, you can listen to a TV program or music without cranking the TV/music volume all that high. It's far, far quieter than a fan-resistance trainer I used many years ago. What I found that I didn't wholly understand before buying this is that it will, as discussed in this video just in passing, chew up your back tire pretty bad. Even though it has a pressure sensitive adjusting bar, so that the tire will always be held against the roller with a constant and correct force, that force is too much for normal road tires. After using this without realizing this, my back tire developed a "hernia," with the inner tube protruding through a slit probably caused by using this trainer. I hadn't gotten a flat tire in years before using this trainer. A bike store advised me to use trainer-specific tires. If you want to use any trainer like this, you really should have trainer-specific tires as I was later told. I didn't even know that was thing. But the thought of having to exchange tires between normal road tires and trainer tires each time I moved between road biking and training is pretty off-putting. I might investigate trying to buy a used, second back wheel and keep that as a dedicated trainer wheel with a trainer tire.
@@natyrawilliams7433 My son has one like that and you really need a smooth tire on the back - the mtn. bike tire sounds like a jet engine rolling on that idler wheel. You can hear it a block away. Maybe buy an extra wheel/tire to swap out for training or riding?
I just bought one of those trainers today when I get it I am planing on making a sound dampening box to place over where it makes noise so I don't disturb my neighbors.
Looks like the TACX with the correct setup and profiles could be ideal to simulate mountain biking better (from the ice slippage example it just seems like it could simulate technical climbing on all kinds of surfaces and riding varied terrain?.. coupled with decent courses it could be really cool for MTB if the software outputs the info to dynamically control the trainer vs trail conditions )
It's a very difficult decision to choose between Elite or Wahoo. I wanna buy wahoo but Elite looks very attractive. Which should I choose having budget for Wahoo?
I can't speak to the Suito, but I have both the Gen 1 Drivo & Zumo and have nothing but good to say about them. The Suito is an upgraded version of the Zumo best as I can tell (same price bracket) so I'm personally an big Elite fan. Dunno if the Core comes with a cassette but I believe the Suito does, which could add more value. Seems quieter based on the video too.
2nd season on a Kinetic Road Machine. Love it except the smart cadence reading gets spotty so I use a dedicated cadence sensor instead. Have been looking at the Elite Suito/Kickr Core and the Flux S for some Hill Resistance feel in Zwift.
Spot on my experience. It really likes halving my cadence for some reason, especially when coming down from a big effort. That aside, I absolutely love it paired with the InRide sensor
Really wanted to get myself an Elite Direto OTS-X but you simply CANNOT get a Turbo ANYWHERE in the UK right now. I even looked for the TacX NEO 2T - Sold out. If those are sold out, anything below that is sold out. Honestly, Halfords, Wiggle, CR, Lakeland Leisure, Merlin, Sigma, Winstanleys etc. etc. etc. All sold out. I seriously suspect purchased by a bunch of people with 15 year old MTB's that they found in the garage, complete with nobbly tyres the lot. You watch, after Lockdown/Quarantine, EBAY is going to be rammed with Turbo's haha. I do have Cycleops JetFluid Pro which is great but really need a Smart/Interactive one to benefit properly from Zwift etc. Bah. I'll just keep checking the web sites :)
Quite informative video, thank you! I am deciding between a purchasing a trainer for my cannodale synapse for use in my home gym, or purchasing a spin bike instead, and leave the cannondale for road racing only. I'd rather not put wear and tear on my road bike so I'm leaning toward purchasing a spin bike, especially since I can get one for the same cost of a trainer. Any thoughts on using a trainer versus a spin bike for indoor home gym use? And is to possible for you to post a video comparing spin bikes?
Christine F. LaFiura do you think riding on a direct drive trainer would add much wear and tear? Seems like might be a good trade off for getting/staying comfortable on your bike
Great reviews, do you have access to the Elite Zumo in the US? Very similar to the Suito features but available for just £399 in the UK, the lowest priced direct drive trainer, loving mine
Crazy thought...at any time you look on zwift and theres up to 12k people riding not counting people on Peloton. What if all these "watts" were somehow used for something other than winning a virtual bike race or bragging about a KOM in Watopia? Could it be possible to tap into all these generated watts and use them to power real everyday electrical needs?
Should take into account the watts required to power the laptop/TV and exercise machine. If your legs can't power the setup, you're still using instead of giving electricity.
Only the first Rollers trainer accepts bikes with hub gears. If you are a tour rider with a hub gear bike, There is the Minoura FG220. I have one. 15 mph is very close with the Mag brake ON.
During this time of the coronavirus, we must stay in shape indoors. And my knee surgery has been delayed. So with my old 10 speed bike, I would like to hook it up to one of these until the gyms open and I can get back in shape with my recliner bikes. What do you recommend?
The dog : I want to chase you but you are not going anywhere...;P looking at the Kickr core($899) or the Elite suito($800) thanks. If I get the suito, then I will have a little extra money to buy the Elite Sterzo steering block too..
I wish you had mentioned reliability. I've been reading for months, and it seems that every model, from every manufacturer, has issues. I'm not sure why trainers costing upwards of $1500 have such issues; why can't a manufacturer (any one of them), produce a product that is not hit or miss in reliability.
Maybe it's like those crappy fitness devices you see advertised on selling channels. They bank on the thing ending up collecting dust in the corner of a garage before it's had a chance to really get tested.
@@tg-pm6np Thanks. I am thinking about Elite too. Was recomended by a domestic racing team as well. The one that discovered Pogacar. So I do trust them.
I am a cross country rider, I like climbs and drops, trails, stones, roots )) but damn it when I started training with tacx neo 2t, i became like these homeworkouts fanatics))) don't buy smart trainers if you do not want to stay at home )))
The training skewer that came with my trainer doesn't have a little knob at 6 O'clock like urs. So bike hops of the roller???? Is this normal??? I was seriously injured!!
You can also search Amazon or Google for "pc crash cart", there are ones that let you connect a desktop PC with a fully adjustable VESA mount monitor stand and a ton of extra features for half the cost of the Wahoo desk.
Best bike trainers for 2021 is here. Which are you using? czcams.com/video/KB0FfaER1k0/video.html
Hey there! I just stumbled upon a new project called Freebeat Morph 2-in-1 eBike, and it sounds pretty interesting. It offers a unique feature where the bike can be charged indoors, which is a game-changer for indoor cycling enthusiasts. The Morph eBike also boasts an impressive motor and torque, making it a powerful and efficient ride. The Smart Saddle Detection+ feature and the ability to convert calories into CO2-free miles for outdoor rides are also intriguing. Overall, it seems like Freebeat has created a versatile and eco-friendly eBike. Definitely worth checking out!
I have the Kinetic. Simple, old tech, works perfectly. I use a dedicated training wheel/tire so not to wear out bike tire.
I lost it when the dog spin his head 🤣🤣
Had a Kickr. Upgraded to the Neo 2T. Way happier. It is so choice. So quiet, so smooth. Best feeling trainer out there.
Get into a bind and this thing is a life saver
I love the "Only" 16% option.
Yh... only!!!!
Just went to a kicker after being on a mag for two years, wow it’s awesome! So smooth and so much faster at changing resistance than some or the kinetic smarts I’d ridden.
Im really excited to buy one of these but im looking for medium budget between these, not the expensive one.
Which one are u recommande, thanks.
Perfect for quarantine workouts
Just ordered one exactly for that
Just got a Wahoo for this reason
Perfect for all these fucken crazy fires
I’ve got nearly 700 miles on my Neo 2T and have to say I really love it. I’m new to trainers and paid more for the simplicity of calibration (there isn’t any) and loudness (can’t hear it over my bike gears).
Didn’t realize I’d get momentum if I plugged it in! That’s a great tip!
Magene T300 on TrainerRoad. Very happy with that. Some minor hiccups with phone connectivity sometimes on startup but easily resolved.
I think I will go with he suito. It seems to me to be the best deal.
I'm tempted by that too. I had been considering the Kickr Core, but I keep reading reviews of people going through multiple units because they keep having problems. I'd like to assume that these reviews still represent a tiny minority of Kickr owners, but I do see the bad reviews everywhere...
@@marcw6875 I have the Suito since 1 nounth and I am super happy with it :) I definitely recommend it
I bought Elite Zumo one week ago for GBP529 at Halfords.
That's the new price tag during a pandemic.
I love that turbo trainer.
I was at aka 29$ turbo trainer with max 450W resistance.
That's a whole different story.
Have a lot of fun with GT bike 5 mod for GTA V and RGT cycling
im riding a basic tacx set of rollers and a basic trainer. I still have a Computrainer which I love!
4:00 Let's be honest. Who hasn't wondered what it would be like to ride on a 40-mile stretch of cattle grids. ;)
I have been using a Tacx Neo for the last 4yrs, the best turbo I have used over my 35yrs of turboing.
However it weighs 42 kgs so I am lucky that I have my turbo set up in a spare room! 😊
I recently set up my TACX and connected to ZWIFT. The set up, connection, and ride is excellent. I have tried other trainers but they all fall short a bit. If you can afford the TACX it is a must.
Tanks for the advice
I’m happy with the Wahoos Kicker Snap. It’s my first trainer so I don’t have anything to compare to but it does everything I need.
OMG that thing is almost as much as my NEW TREK
I think the core work well i was thinking of getting kicker but dont think i need it core is lighter n simpler i think
I have an ancient CycleOps Fluid Pro that's had sporadic use and has sat in a shed for much of its life. I didn't really have anywhere to use it. I now have a studio in my back garden so I have deployed it there with my equally ancient Giant MTB, fitted with a road tyre, where it won't bother the household or the neighbours with the mechanical noise, which I drown out anyway as I cruise along to Spotify channelled through some nifty Edifier bluetooth speakers. While we're Covid-confined it's a great exercise option and it means that if you get tired and want to stop you're not 27 miles from home. You also can't get nailed by an inattentive or inconsiderate car driver. (My preference has always been for off-road anyway, partly for the safety reason.)
I've just discovered Bike The World and set up a spare 23 in. monitor in front of the bike, connected to my laptop. Yesterday I took a nice waterside ride in NZ and then did a short stretch alongside an alpine river in France. The day before I set out on a climb of the lower slopes of Mt Fuji, buzzed by too-close tourist coaches. There is nothing smart in my setup but it's remarkable how what your eyes see of incline have a psychological effect that affects how hard you pedal and use the gears and how it motivates you to work. It's a great workout and you get to see parts of the world you wouldn't otherwise see. I have a home projector on order so I can't wait till I get that set up in there...
Thanks for the vid; I'm not a regular here or, indeed, a serious cyclist, but it was interesting to see what's on the trainer market these days compared to what was there when I bought mine in the days before apps and Zwift and Peloton and bluetooth...
Riding The Suito. Out of the box with the hub loose and made a heck of a lot of noise. Snaps and pop's and it was awful. Was really downhearted. Took the cassette away (the cassete came with the trainer and already assembled, you didnt mention it in the video, and that ups the value for money... ;-) ) and noticed that the hub was completelly loose. Screwed the nut on tightened it (too much actually, it is really soft Alum. and almost stripped it. Works great, only noise comes from the bike. Great buy, apart from the initial hickup...
I’m riding the Suito. Was lucky to find it for ~$600, which made it a bit of a steal. I’m really liking it.
That's cool from.where did you get this deal ...
I've been on the Suito since November (previously on KK road machine 'dumb'-trainer) and it has been excellent. Erg-mode has taken awhile to get used to, but it is quiet and works great with Zwift, Trainerroad, Sufferfest, etc.
I was able to get the new saris Hammer 3 for $825 and it is excellent. I would take it over all of the units you tested in your video. Easy setup, whisper quiet and a realistic feel with its 20lb flywheel.
Great video guys.You definitely should have more views, likes and comments with the quality of the vids.
Thanks, Steven! You're too kind.
I found a Cycleops H1 a few months ago for $600 new from a reputable retailer. Best deal ever. Not the quietest out there but certainly quieter than most. Using it with Rouvy and have had no issues and the reality / feel is quite good. Would not hesitate to buy again, best "bang for the buck".
Alda special for me with a wahoo device, Wahoo RPM Speed Sensor with Bluetooth 4.0 and ANT+4.5
Which connects to Zwift just as good, loud yes ( that’s why my wife as put me in the garden shed )🤣 but for indoor training I think it’s more than enough, Would love upgrade to the Elite Suito if any best reviews but for me some of the prices of these trainers is a new bike for me 👍🏻
My Suito has been perfect out of the box, fyi, and there was a firmware update that came out recently (no noticeable difference for me) as well. I believe the very earliest units had some issues, but by the time they reached the USA for sale, I understand those were worked out already. I’ve put just under 500 miles and have reached Level 12 on my Suito in Zwift since I bought it. Nice and quiet, and the feel is fantastic. Had a Kinetic fluid trainer before this since about 2009. This is leaps and bounds better.
Still working well?
Tavis Jou indeed - about 1500 miles on it so far.
@@alanthompson9240 Good good.. waiting for mine to arrive 🙂
Thanks for good Consumer journalism!
Thanks for the video. I just bought a Cycleops Hammer because I got a great deal. I am coming from the Kurt Kinetics that you reviewed and I am happy so far. I only have two rides. Cheers
I liked that you included the $28. Trainer lol. Heck I'm using a yard sale find Blackburn Fluid that I picked up for $50. That had only been used a few times. I was nervous about reviews that said it would vibrate at high rpms but I get it above 110 and its still smooth as butter. It would be nice to have one that is recognized for programs such as zwift etc
$28 you can't put cables on a bike for that
@@deborahlockwood9035 try the Aldi then see if you want more. 2 Magene sensors will run you another $28 and you are Zwift ready, though if you don't have a use for Zwift (who needs it?) one and your phone will give good service.
For several years now I've been riding an Elite Fluid Trainer, the one with the red rubberized contact surface. It is quiet, and the power curve is a known value on Zwift, so along with my Wahoo Tickr, Cadence, and Speed sensors I get consistent watt readings. I won't say they're accurate, because I'm not sure they are, but they are consistent, so as I've seem my FTP rise, my ability has improved as well. I think it was around $125 when I purchased it some 10 years ago, and it has served me very well for getting a descent workout in on days it's just not my cup of tea outside weather-wise.
Just for your interest if you are using an Elite Crono Fluid (sounds very possible) I am still using one with Zwift but these days with a power meter. It's been good for years now and seems easy going on tyres. With regard to power accuracy Zwift was giving me about 10% on Z Power using that trainer (cross checked my power meter with other sources). Strangely the power curve I've seen for the trainer is more accurate than that but Zwifts take is more inflated. It is a weight on trainer (as in it relies on your weight to engage the roller) so that is another variable. One thing to note is it takes 15-20 minutes for the trainer's elastogel resistance to warm up/stabilise - e.g. spinning a consistent 90 rpm in the same gear takes firstly less watts say 250W before steadily rising to 300W and then stabilising somewhere around 280W. Worth noting, for the first few minutes, if you are only going off Z Power.
I’m just searching for an inexpensive quiet trainer, but after watching this video it feels like a spin class, not just riding indoors because of a pandemic? Also the technology what was that for? Like a treadmill. You have given me a lot to think about and I appreciate it.
I got a used spin bike online for free and put some power pedals and a cadence sensor on it. It's great and fully wireless.
You need enough space for a stationary bike, you have to set your wattage by adjusting the bike resistance manually (no erg mode) and it's a little sad that it's a fixed gear but it's a super affordable way to get into it.
Given how cheap spin bikes are and how cheap low end bike trainers with power are, I am surprised we don't see more purpose built cheap stationary bike trainers
I'm using a Cycleops M2, I love it. Smooth, easy set up, Rouvy is a nice. I haven't tried Zwift yet. The wattage and % climb become humbling very quickly. Various Rouvy rides may have 5000 logged rides and only the top 20 % are over 2.2 watts/Kg of weight. They keep you honest.
I just bought the Saris H3 and I love it as well. I like it better than the options he presented. I was able to get it for $800 using Discount Bandit which is $200 below all retailers.
@@troyfall6573 how is it noise wise??
@@moi7748 you can not hear it. All you hear is the sound of the chain and cassette. I don't believe you can make one more quiet.
I had the Kurt Kinetic Road Machine 2 for around 2yrs but found the noise to loud and the power profile shocking. Purchased a second hand tacx Neo 1 for $500 and wouldn't go back to a roll on turbo trainer. Smart - direct drive all the way......
Great job on this, Bicycling Team!
Thanks, Bill! Much appreciated.
I bought Magene T300, It's quite and it's my first smart trainer.
Got a 2nd hand Kinetic for £70, happy days. I have it in my garage so noise is not an issue. I don't actually think its that loud, my cooling fan makes more noise.
Great video!! I think I win for the most primitive (and cheap) set-up. I have a 1978 10-speed Raleigh SuperCourse on a "dumb" Kinetic fluid trainer made "smart enough" by adding their inRide 3 Power Sensor accessory. Since finances are tight, I'm taking advantage of the generosity of RGT Cycling and using their premium service for free. Kudos to RGT! One area I have not skimped on is I am using the 4K Apple TV. It has much more robus hardware than the previous non-4K version and the graphics are far superior to that earlier version (I have the earlier version. It works, but the graphics are in quite underwhelming). Crank on!!!
'78 Raleigh SuperCourse....go for it!
JD S 👏
Noob biker here. I have an $800 Specialized hybrid bike and am looking for a quiet bike trainer so I can bike while watching movies (don't care about Zwift). I heard the Wahoo was super quiet, but for that kind of money I could buy 2 stationary bikes... Any advice on a quiet yet inexpensive trainer?
Great video. Thank you.
Thank you for sharing the info. Now I know which to choose from. 👍👍👍
It would be much less expensive to buy an indoor exercise bike. However, they do seem better than indoor exercise bicycles. Hey if that $28 one lasts for a season it paid for itself. I usually ride with music going so the noise would not bother me. I bought a 530-TRAINER which also fits on bicycles without quick release (so the website says). The wingnuts are on the outside frame so it alleges it can fit bikes that are not ten-speeds. Hey it's from Amazon and if it doesn't work I'll take it back.
Good video, I am riding on the elite direto x and I am loving it.
Si there is a thousand differences!
Tacx rollers from mid 90’s. Paid £50. Ridden 1,000’s of miles. Changed the belt once.
I thought the kinetic was supposed to be quiet - I'm pleased I saw this video before buying one online...
It's not that loud, you can listen to a TV program or music without cranking the TV/music volume all that high. It's far, far quieter than a fan-resistance trainer I used many years ago. What I found that I didn't wholly understand before buying this is that it will, as discussed in this video just in passing, chew up your back tire pretty bad. Even though it has a pressure sensitive adjusting bar, so that the tire will always be held against the roller with a constant and correct force, that force is too much for normal road tires. After using this without realizing this, my back tire developed a "hernia," with the inner tube protruding through a slit probably caused by using this trainer. I hadn't gotten a flat tire in years before using this trainer. A bike store advised me to use trainer-specific tires.
If you want to use any trainer like this, you really should have trainer-specific tires as I was later told. I didn't even know that was thing. But the thought of having to exchange tires between normal road tires and trainer tires each time I moved between road biking and training is pretty off-putting. I might investigate trying to buy a used, second back wheel and keep that as a dedicated trainer wheel with a trainer tire.
These devices should generate electricity by 2020. Could charge phone or something else.
@Blu JetBlack Smart can charge phone while riding :)
Will the last trainer work well with a standard mountain bike?
@@natyrawilliams7433 My son has one like that and you really need a smooth tire on the back - the mtn. bike tire sounds like a jet engine rolling on that idler wheel. You can hear it a block away. Maybe buy an extra wheel/tire to swap out for training or riding?
@@pistolpete9978 Thank you so very much. I will get a trainer wheel/tire. How can I send you a picture of my bike?
I just bought one of those trainers today when I get it I am planing on making a sound dampening box to place over where it makes noise so I don't disturb my neighbors.
Looks like the TACX with the correct setup and profiles could be ideal to simulate mountain biking better (from the ice slippage example it just seems like it could simulate technical climbing on all kinds of surfaces and riding varied terrain?.. coupled with decent courses it could be really cool for MTB if the software outputs the info to dynamically control the trainer vs trail conditions )
I'm thinking of getting a Sportneer trainer.
Hey really informative video!!! Also, could you advise what and how that virtual cycling works on screen?
What’s the ranking of these? Which is the best and why? Which would you buy?
It's a very difficult decision to choose between Elite or Wahoo. I wanna buy wahoo but Elite looks very attractive. Which should I choose having budget for Wahoo?
i just bought the elite suito
@@auttoautaut95 and You are happy with it? It's worth to buy?😊
I can't speak to the Suito, but I have both the Gen 1 Drivo & Zumo and have nothing but good to say about them. The Suito is an upgraded version of the Zumo best as I can tell (same price bracket) so I'm personally an big Elite fan. Dunno if the Core comes with a cassette but I believe the Suito does, which could add more value. Seems quieter based on the video too.
@@samuelmundula2216 thanks.
I love cycling outdoors. The feeling of freedom and something new every time. These are very intriguing though.
thank you for the video,nice and simple explained.
Love the Nero Rollers wow! and the Doggy and Got the Elite Suito , the legs are so stiff, I have to call Arnold. I changed the cassette to 10 speed
Thank you so much for the video
Excellent review. Thanks!!
2nd season on a Kinetic Road Machine. Love it except the smart cadence reading gets spotty so I use a dedicated cadence sensor instead. Have been looking at the Elite Suito/Kickr Core and the Flux S for some Hill Resistance feel in Zwift.
Spot on my experience. It really likes halving my cadence for some reason, especially when coming down from a big effort. That aside, I absolutely love it paired with the InRide sensor
Thank you
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Thank you!
Really wanted to get myself an Elite Direto OTS-X but you simply CANNOT get a Turbo ANYWHERE in the UK right now. I even looked for the TacX NEO 2T - Sold out. If those are sold out, anything below that is sold out. Honestly, Halfords, Wiggle, CR, Lakeland Leisure, Merlin, Sigma, Winstanleys etc. etc. etc. All sold out. I seriously suspect purchased by a bunch of people with 15 year old MTB's that they found in the garage, complete with nobbly tyres the lot. You watch, after Lockdown/Quarantine, EBAY is going to be rammed with Turbo's haha. I do have Cycleops JetFluid Pro which is great but really need a Smart/Interactive one to benefit properly from Zwift etc. Bah. I'll just keep checking the web sites :)
Quite informative video, thank you! I am deciding between a purchasing a trainer for my cannodale synapse for use in my home gym, or purchasing a spin bike instead, and leave the cannondale for road racing only. I'd rather not put wear and tear on my road bike so I'm leaning toward purchasing a spin bike, especially since I can get one for the same cost of a trainer. Any thoughts on using a trainer versus a spin bike for indoor home gym use? And is to possible for you to post a video comparing spin bikes?
Christine F. LaFiura do you think riding on a direct drive trainer would add much wear and tear? Seems like might be a good trade off for getting/staying comfortable on your bike
a bit more indept on the power data they provide would have been nice. I personally use a Elite Direto since 1.5 years now and its great.
Saris H3, and Kreitler 2.5” alloy rollers
Great video man 👌
Thanks, Brando! Are you interested in seeing more reviews for 2020?
Great reviews, do you have access to the Elite Zumo in the US? Very similar to the Suito features but available for just £399 in the UK, the lowest priced direct drive trainer, loving mine
I have a Zumo as well, love it for the $. Doesn't seem to be sold in the US anymore though
Nope. I bought it one week ago for GBP529 at Halfords.
That's the new price tag during a pandemic. I love that turbo trainer.
Still using my Minoura Mag Roller..been going strong for the last 10 winters.
Is there enough resistance for you?
do you have a spreadsheet breakdown of product comparison based on your analysis? that'd be a great summary
Crazy thought...at any time you look on zwift and theres up to 12k people riding not counting people on Peloton. What if all these "watts" were somehow used for something other than winning a virtual bike race or bragging about a KOM in Watopia? Could it be possible to tap into all these generated watts and use them to power real everyday electrical needs?
Should take into account the watts required to power the laptop/TV and exercise machine. If your legs can't power the setup, you're still using instead of giving electricity.
Only the first Rollers trainer accepts bikes with hub gears.
If you are a tour rider with a hub gear bike, There is the Minoura FG220. I have one. 15 mph is very close with the Mag brake ON.
I bought elit suito. It’s nice and I love it
兄弟，elite suito的噪音和振动咋样？视频里说非常安静，我怕吵着楼下的居民
我人生的第一台訓練台！是真的蠻安靜的！我拿一樣意大利來的favro功率計來比較也真的很準！收納也不錯…可惜的是他的APP寫的真的不怎樣
@@annansu 谢谢小王子。那就买suito了
Nice video... Between a tacx flux 2 and a jetblack volt, what would you recommend?
Wahoo Kickr Corev:Im sure its working perfectly on Cervelo S 5 On Ultegra . What about my 9 speed 2016 cannondale with old sora fitted ?
Just got an awesome deal on a Neo 2T to replace my vortex. Can’t wait to get it
Kicker Core love it👍🏻✌🏻
Really nice video
can you review bike trainers like magene t200 or thinkrider x5?
What u like more? Kickr core oder suito? What of then has more silence?
Love my kickr Snap
During this time of the coronavirus, we must stay in shape indoors. And my knee surgery has been delayed. So with my old 10 speed bike, I would like to hook it up to one of these until the gyms open and I can get back in shape with my recliner bikes. What do you recommend?
Jay G. I’m no pro, but I use the kinetic trainer for its simplicity and I love it.
The dog : I want to chase you but you are not going anywhere...;P looking at the Kickr core($899) or the Elite suito($800) thanks. If I get the suito, then I will have a little extra money to buy the Elite Sterzo steering block too..
I wish you had mentioned reliability. I've been reading for months, and it seems that every model, from every manufacturer, has issues. I'm not sure why trainers costing upwards of $1500 have such issues; why can't a manufacturer (any one of them), produce a product that is not hit or miss in reliability.
Maybe it's like those crappy fitness devices you see advertised on selling channels. They bank on the thing ending up collecting dust in the corner of a garage before it's had a chance to really get tested.
Useful! Thanks!
I am just buying one, so this has been helpful. Thank you.
I returned mine. hope you don't get a defective one. ..im getting a elite ...7 out of 10 tacx trainers are defective.
@@tg-pm6np Thanks. I am thinking about Elite too. Was recomended by a domestic racing team as well. The one that discovered Pogacar. So I do trust them.
elite Nova foce 8 with misuro b+ sensor., But i have a problems, it doesn't work on Android and zwift, why i do not know ?? Any idea ???
I ride with the one you did not review, cycleops hammer, it is really good!
Thanks for the heads up, Miguel!
Heading out to Aldi today! Hahaha
I am a cross country rider, I like climbs and drops, trails, stones, roots )) but damn it when I started training with tacx neo 2t, i became like these homeworkouts fanatics)))
don't buy smart trainers if you do not want to stay at home )))
What do you think would be best for a canyon cf 8 disc
I ordered the Suito. $500 now
The training skewer that came with my trainer doesn't have a little knob at 6 O'clock like urs. So bike hops of the roller???? Is this normal??? I was seriously injured!!
I love that table you have your laptop on what is the name of that?
That's Wahoo's Kickr indoor cycling desk!
I get that a $28 trainer might not last years and years, but anyone should expect to be able to use it more than once before it breaks!
Great reviews. Question? Where can I get my hands on one of those tables with wheels for my computer?
Thank you! Bobby is using Wahoo's Kickr Indoor Cycling Desk in the video.
You can also search Amazon or Google for "pc crash cart", there are ones that let you connect a desktop PC with a fully adjustable VESA mount monitor stand and a ton of extra features for half the cost of the Wahoo desk.
You mentioned here and on your site that you measured sound at 15 and 25 mph. Is there a place we can view those results?
4:51 Does the *TACX NEO 2T* provide the *incline simulator* as optional feature? Thank you.
Elite Nero is definitely one that you're gona ride off from
Ok I’m kind of slow. Why where do you by the bike from and how much do they cost
hi, i have a Tacx Bushido and im considering to upgrade/change for a Flux or Wahoo Core, it is worth it? Thanks
Aero Drone Maluf Caruso
No, just get a power meter on your pedals and use them indors and outdor
Ivan Čajka j
Saris H3 or Kickr core. What do you recommend?