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Why They Have a COMPLEX Relationship | The 3 Differences Between Iaido/Iaijutsu & Battodo/Battojutsu
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If you for example search “katana martial arts” on CZcams, you will most likely find information about 居合道 iaido, which is what I currently train in.
However, other related videos might call it “抜刀道 battodo(battojutsu)” instead of iaido.
But the katana and training gear the people are using and wearing while they train look almost exactly the same… how are they different?
So today, as a Japanese iaido trainee, I will first briefly explain about the history of swordsmanship in Japan, and then talk about the 3 main differences between battodo and iaido.
However I am not a trainee of battodo, so I have read this book which was written by the founder of battodo as a reference to make today’s video.
The most interesting information that I want to share with you today, comes after discussing the 3 differences between the two, so I hope you can stay with me till the end!
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0:00 Let's START!
1:45 The history of swordsmanship in Japan
7:33 The 3 main differences between battodo and iaido
10:54 Why battodo and iaido are separated
18:17 Today's conclusion
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im normally no comentor, but this man deserve credit, every single video he does it again... keep up the good work, you are unique on youtube
Have you considered reviewing rurouni kenshin? I would be interesting learning more of the history of the meiji restoration plus the signature move of kenshin is based in buttojutsu.
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+1 Rorouni Kenshin brought me here 😊 and I've been binge watching Shogo's vids since yesterday 😁
The only movie adaptation I actually like more than the anime
It is a very good live action few story changes but the good bits r there
For me iaido is an amazing educational system that helps me to understand myself, to find the human features I would like to improve. It helps me to look at myself from a side. And the most interesting, I am much happier person since I have started iaido.
exactly its about pushing yourself out of your comfort zone and expressing yourself through movement.
i would love to learn iaido but I'm too little lol
@@harisbo6 lots of schools offer special courses for kids
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@@harisbo6 samurai started very young
Shogo-kun, the speed you set your video at is perfect. It allowed me to digest and crunch in my head the differences between Iaido (train ❤️ & 🧠), Battodo (train to cut 🗡 like samurai), and Kendo (train against a living/moving opponent safely). Arrigato gozaimasu!
As a 1st dan kendoka, I love videos like this which delve into the ideology and terminology of a Japanese cultural aspect so close to my heart. Doubly so bc it came on my birthday. Great job Shogo! Hope to see more of your awesome work soon!
I have done many years of swordsmanship both western and Japanese. I think the separation hinders both schools of thought. Doing initial training with an Iato is probably a good idea. But if you dont learn to cut you aren't going to learn the movements as well. And I would think both Battodo and Iado would benefit from learning to do Kendo so you learn to hit a reacting target.
Agree, honestly, the most interesting would be a bit of all 3, Iato, kendo and Battodo
In Karate, there are some Sensei - such as Patrick McCarthy - who have researched to understand the true intent of Kata. Even if Karate is now a budo, it was once an effective art and it is inconceivable that people would practise pretty but ineffective techniques. Although some have made a fetish of pressure point striking for self defence, I believe that Sensei McCarthy does not see his research as necessarily a move away from budo. If his research is correct, then yes, it does make Karate and Karate Kata a more effective self-defence art, but it also preserves the fullness of the art. After all, if the meaning of the movements does not matter, one could indeed practise dance - but that would not be BU-do.
So, bringing this back to the sword, it must enrich practice if one understands the meaning and purpose of movements. Also, analysing techniques and questioning their effectiveness was how the various schools were developed. Once one is established in a tradition, it should not be harmful to ask for explanations. It is interesting that, in Shogo's series with Seki Sensei, there are explanations of how and why a technique is applied. (This contrasts with the traditional attitude in Japanese Karate, where explanation was shunned and the student was told that they would understand if the practised harder and more.) Although Iaido techniques have a more aesthetic appearance than the (admittedly little) Iaijutsu I have seen, the primary difference is one of intent. So, it should not be impossible to practise realistic techniques with an aim of improving the self and the character.
Another example, again from Karate, is Morio Higaonna, he has a high level of skill and his hands show an immense commitment towards effectiveness, yet he is a kind man who sees Karate as his "way". Tai Chi is another example, this is practised by millions for health, yet the art originally had a very strong reputation for effectiveness and traditional teachers insist that, even when practised slowly, it should be performed with intent and with real techniques in mind. It is interesting that classic Tai Chi schools often have fast forms and two-person forms as well as the slow form. So, one could imagine a situation where there is solo Kata, with a primary emphasis on precision and Budo; alongside solo and paired Kata and some full speed sparring - along with cutting - to retain a sense of realism and focus. This need not imply an intention to become a deadly fighter nor need it be tied to militarism or nationalism, but simply as an appreciation of the sword in all its aspects.
If anyone is surprised or offended by my mentioning Karate in a sword-focused discussion, it is because a) when there is disagreement between schools, it is often more diplomatic to provide analogies from outside rather than criticise one side or the other; b) I am not an expert in the history of battodo, although I do know something about Iaido and I have no knowledge of specific Sensei who might illustrate the points I am making by referring to Senseis McCarthy and Higaonna; and finally c) I felt free to mention it because Shogo refers to Karate and specifically to a distinction between a focus on pure Kata and a focus on realistic "fighting" or sparring.
I started studying iaido the first time i went to Japan. I fell in love woth it, and have been practicing it ever since
17:36 this is the true purpose of all martial arts; fighting ability is only a secondary skill. When you learn how fragile the human body and life itself are, you can have a deeper respect for meaningful conversation, and pursue it above all else. Then there’s no need for conflict at all. But even if conflict is unavoidable, you can always de-escalate; and even if fighting is inevitable, a skilled martial artist can protect oneself, as well as their opponent. Hurting/killing is a last resort, and in my own opinion, only necessary when protecting others.
When told to set my playback speed to be faster, I felt like I don't need to! Shogo-san, your pacing is alright and the video is easy to understand because of that! :D
I started off doing Iaido, then did 10 years of Battodo before I moved on to 7 years of TSKSR, and in my opinion, the arguments you propose for and against Iaido and Battodo are all fairly valid.
Moving too far away from the source is of course unrealistic; just doing kata doesn't make you a fighter; real swords are dangerous, and tameshigiri doesn't make you a fighter either. Still, I think all the arts have their value. Iaido gives its practitioners a lot of good culture and ideals to strive for. There isn't always a necessity to include the realism of real swords if the goal is the spiritual practice itself. In Battodo we use real swords which give you a lot more respect for the sword as a weapon, and even just sheathing it carelessly can cost you your life. As a result, I personally know 5 people who have been severely injured because their technique was wrong or they didn't respect the weapon. Iaido vs Battodo is like using softguns vs target shooting with guns. Both have their value in their own setting, but they are very different.
To learn to fight with real swords like the samurai did is almost impossible. That's because when we practice, everything we do is with the goal of not hurting or killing each other, which is diametrically opposed to the purpose of a real sword fight. The shinai and bokken cannot replace a real sword. Even if we used real, but dull swords, we would lose the elements an edged weapon adds. And ultimately, there's no practical purpose of being able to fight effectively with real swords in today's world. I know many like to imagine that what they do is the real deal, but I think if we all can accept the limits of our practice, it's easier to see the value in others' practice. Ultimately, the value of the art is what we put into it, and what we get out of it.
It’s all about triangulation today. I do kenjutsu, battojutsu, and HEMA for my sword education. They all have value and a piece of the puzzle. To be fair, the ancients didn’t know for sure either until they were in a life and death situation. They had only their non-lethal training until that point.
A fellow sword geek and iaidoka here, Its always good to see more videos about iaido history. Thank you!
I have practiced Kendo, Iaido, and Ishi Yama Ryu. I own several Chinese made Katana and recently ordered a Motohara Katana from Korea. Motohara make a the best Katana outside of Japan and they aren't cheap, but I will get exactly what I want, hand made fittings, blade, and everyrhing is made for each individual Katana. It was $4,500 but if I add together all the Hanwei, Skyjiro, Dynasty Forge, and other Chinese Katana I have owned and currently own, thats a small price to pay to get what I want
Not really related, but its like kenshin's transformation from being "battousai" to being the nice guy that is more like a yojimbo to kaori and his friends 😊
Looking forward to learn more from you shogo-san 😁👍
100% 👍🏼… i train Kendo & Iaido since 1998… ありがとうございました for that Video!
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Iaijutsu & battojutsu were considered basically the same in the past, however iaido and battodo created after WW2 are two different martial arts.
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Hey Shogo, I need your opinion on something. I'm a fanfiction writer and I'm planning on writing a Naruto Fanfiction, but after watching this video, I see that the "iaido" techniques and kata used by the Samurai of Naruto look more like Battodo techniques, though Mifune, the Samurai leader, has a scene where he uses a battodo technique from an Iaido sitting position. If I were to separate Iaido and Battodo, would it make sense to separate the two tech issues by classifying Iaido as "defensive" in nature as a means of reaching spiritual enlightenment and protecting one's self in the event of a surprise attack, while battodo is "offensive" and all about ending a battle quickly or keeping the Ninja of the Naruto world from utilizing Ninjutsu and Genjutsu (their mystical techniques in the series to cast elemental spells and illusions)?
Oh I didn't realize I was so early to this video. Great content! お疲れ様でした!
I've trained in iaijutsu in Japan. Those of us who own shinken could participate in cutting practices, that are held twice a year during promotions. We also practice standing and kneeling techniques. Even a few two-person drills, which are used with bokuto.
Very well put Shogo!!!
As a retired practicener of shotokan karate ( due to medical reasons ) I agree with your point of view 100% Thank you for your content and awesome videos!!!
Thank you for this.
I just remembered researching on some Kenjutsu and it includes iaido also like the Tenshin Shoden Katori Shinto Ryu.
Hope you can tackle on "noto" also since I think it had been on the artistic side of putting back the sword in its saya as seen in pop-culture.
Me: to be good samurai, you have to mastering iaido, batto, kendo, judo, and all other do..
I agree. At the end of the day it was once a whole complete style. Those who are serious about Kenjutsu should practice all forms including Iaido(sword movement and body control), battodo(cutting feel and accuracy), kendo(fighting speed impact).
It’s katori shinto ryu which teaches almost all the samurai combat forms, but it’ll never be as complete as the real thing, the samurai trained in swordsmanship, horsemanship, archery, strategy, unarmed combat, swimming, climbing, rope tying, etiquette and many things that are not practical for today or needed.
@@anas-432 they may not be needed but alot of it is practical just not necessary to learn (people aren't going around killing each other with swords, Yari and bows or walking around with them)
@@anas-432 that's like joining the army to be a soldier. Learning how to use one's weapon is just a small part of being a good soldier. The fundamentals have not changed since Man started killing each other aeons ago.
@@user-xs4mu8xm7d it’s a militaristic way of life so it’s similar but it’s different.
I briefly trained a koryu kenjitsu/battojutsu style for a few years. the purpose of training in koryu is so starkly different than modern budo styles.
Koryu are interested in preserving the art form above all else; the personal achievement or fulfillment of the practitioner isn’t really a priority. That’s not to say that old-styles can’t be fulfilling, but it’s not what the arts are focused on. They are aiming to train folks who can uphold and preserve an historical artifact, and if that’s not a thing you can do, they don’t want you. It was a crazy experience totally unlike any other martial art I’ve practiced. And I DEFINITELY didn’t have the discipline for it back when I trained.
Great vid as always
I liked this comparison and think you make some astute observations. Coming from more traditional schools, I often mix-up Iaido and Battodo.
Hey Shogo! Thank you for your research in the matter.
Can you make a video about fighting with two swords?
There is kata from the nitenichi-ryu and also also the kendo nito-ryu.
Not to forget the probably most famous samurai/ronin there was Miyamoto Musashi.
This was really interesting… I understand the difference between these two martial arts … and really understand what that means when you choose one you basically choose it for life. It is the part of your life. It’s the same for me with the Tai Chi
Actually I like to know how the wakizashi fit into the Samurais beliefs and combat strategies. People buy them but it seems like nobody ever uses them or speaks about specifically training with a wakizashi. And I also kind of like to know if the Ninja use the same techniques or did they have to adapt their own
It was a defensive sword mainly from my understanding
isn't it the sword that was used to cut your own guts when certain conditions were met?
also it was the one to fight with indoors where a longer sword could not be used effectively, i believe.
@@user-zc8sd8jx8s Wakizashi was used as a backup weapon. Samurai would either carry that, a Tanto or both. But a special Tanto made for ceremonies were made for that. Or on the battlefield, anything sharp would be used.
From a _very_ practical point of view, some claims of the Battodo federation fail to some extent, but I'll only stick to one: The weapon. A shinken sword.
The katana, first of all is not a _cheap_ weapon. It is simply not available for the general public. In addition to this, it is not a very resistant weapon either. In fact, it's quite fragile. If the alignment (hasuji) of the cutting angle is off, not good. The katana can bend and even break on contact with the target (this target does not have to be a hard object for this to happen). This occurs with tatami mats quite often and to experienced people. A piece of broken blade on impact can become a really nasty projectile. No safe by any means, even for a sengoku _bushi_ standars.
In addition to this, it must be taken into account that the katana blade (the nakago section of it) is attached to the handle (tsuka) by means of a simple bamboo bolt (in some cases two) called mekugi. This _mekugi_ is forced with certain techniques to the point of torqueing. The most famous of this "mekugi-torqueing" techniques is perhaps _kesagake_ (and gyaku-kesa as shown in 9:40). A broken mekugi means a flying blade. Upwards or downwards, nobody wants a flying blade.
Regardless of all this, the video is magnificent. Shogo San expresses himself in a pleasant and clear way. Very accurate. I wish you Shogo a lot of success always.
Your effort is greatly appreciated.
Cheers!
This was a good video on "Your swordsmanship isn't real enough", good video for all the details.
Great video as always! Just one thing, depending on the country and its laws, you can use blunt steel swords rather than an alloy for practice. Weight and balance is far better this way.
Thank you for this video. This really has answered alot of questions I've had about Japanese swordsman styles I've had.
Thanks once again Shogo for another interesting episode.
I have practiced iaido since 1989. Now the lat few years I've been drawn to kenjutsu. Especially when watching Kuroda-san (many clips on youtube). I started to realize that kenjutsu was what my spirit was trying to tell me all the time.
Arigatou Shogo sensei. I've been waiting for this kind of explanation about Battojutsu, I mean Battodo and Iaido.
Thanks to you, I know the basics of sword drawing in Iaido (only 3) and its fairly easy
Such a wonderful explaination thank you so much.
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Very strong presentation.
Thank you for such an excellent explanation. This video puts it clearer than any other I've ever seen before my.
Well done mate 👍
Ok speaking of Sowrds, in the last live of sword training, I was asking if you can do a video about head taking, not necessarily next video, but just someday please. Anyways, great video as usual, keep it up :D
I really enjoy your videos and would like to offer my own experience to improve our mutual understanding. Although you are correct on the differences between these two martial arts, there are some inaccuracies here. Battojutsu existed as part of larger samurai arts well before Hayashizaki Jinsuke formalized Iaido. While the bow was the primary weapon of samurai for centuries, I think it's shortsighted to think that they would simply draw their swords without any special techniques to do it efficiently and effectively. For example, Kashima Shinryu was established in 1473 and already included battojutsu in its curriculum. Whether tachi or more modern variants of katana, these warriors would practice every aspect of warfare, not just start once the sword is unsheathed.
The difference between the two jutsu is intent. Battojutsu draws the sword with intent to continue combat. Iaijutsu involves the complete acts of drawing, cutting, and sheathing with the assumption that combat has ended (often from an anachronistic seated position, but I think it's okay to imagine such exercises as useful for drawing wakizashi as well).
This difference can be seen in the etymology of these terms. 抜刀 (batto) literally translates as "to draw out (抜) a sword (刀)". On the other hand, iai has a more esoteric translation, with its characters, 居合, not having such a clear cut meaning (pun intended, of course!). 居 can mean "to reside; to be; to exist", while 合 likely means "to meet". So... "To exist in the meeting" might be the easiest translation to English.
Thus, battojutsu existed as very real exercises to be used in warfare as part of an overall knowledge set, while Iaido and its techniques were developed with the modern mindset of martial arts. Same as Battodo, these can be seen as sports in the same manner as sportified karate. This is not to diminish these practices as they are useful in many ways, but they are far removed from practical combat. As someone who has practiced Okinawan karate and kobudo for decades (as well as other schools), I see many students fail to understand this distinction.
Kata are training tools; crucial parts of a curriculum but useless without the complete set of knowledge. In this manner, I would consider Battodo an incomplete art as much as Iaido. You've drawn a sword and cut... Then what? That's why koryu kata and kihon involve a continued state of zanshin, mindfulness that combat hasn't ended after the technique. Cutting tatami mats is very useful for testing edge alignment, strength, and other aspects, but it is only part of a larger concept of martial science.
Once again, I do not seek to diminish these practices. Only discuss the difference between modern schools and the actual combat from which they were born. One final note on practicality: it isn't recommended to sheath one's sword directly after combat as shown in these arts. Blood in the saya is not a good thing for blade maintenance...
Zanshin is practiced in Battodo before noto, as is chiburi. Sorry, just had to pull you up on that one.
This video was incredibly formatted. Gripping from the beginning. Well done.
Thank you, Sir.
I learned something today from your video.
Bless you, and your family.
Great Video Shogo. It's always a pleasure and grand learning experience watching your videos
Thank you as always Shogo! I've always wondered why Iaido don't do tameshigiri, but now I know! 🙇🙇🙇👏👏👏
your analogy of baseball and softball was the perfect metaphor to draw on. :) Ohayogoizimasu for yet another layer of knowledge! :D
Listening to your commentary brings me a feelings of peace and empathy. Thank you for sharing your thoughts and knowledge. Peace!
very interesting video, clear explanations !! perfect for French people, thank you. I wish you'll have your million likers ...
I have come to love watching your videos. Sharing your culture and your passion is something I love. I’ve trained in Shito Ryu karate since I was 16. I share many of your beliefs and concerns. My style taught five sword Katas that I still practice. I took up cutting practice using 2lt coke bottles that are more plentiful here than tatami Matt’s in the states. My teacher taught that kata is the basis of everything. That it was like learning to swim on dry land. It didn’t necessarily teach you how to swim but made you a better swimmer when you did get in the water. That the kata was like a moving encyclopedia. It helped you learn and remember techniques that you needed when you did begin to spar or fight. To me, Iaido, cutting, and kendo are the trifecta of the sword and the samurai spirit. I believe all three should be practice as different levels of the same thing. To separate them is to be like the three blind men each feeling a different part of the elephant. Each style is correct but fails to grasp the whole.
Let's go my man Shogo! Spreading the word that all martial arts are equal and should respected for their differences!
This video was absolutely brilliant, enlighting
Could you do a vid about the differences between Kata and Waza? And go deeper into each single term! ThX! :)
Thanks I've been wondering this forever.
As always, another fantastic video. Thank you for the information. This was an unresolved question that I had carried with me for years.
That's Nakamura Taizaburo sensei's book! My kendo sensei has lots of stories of the time he visited Seattle in the '90s. You can find his videos from the '80s on CZcams. It's very different from what you might expect.
Aye... he had a way with dogs and children. 😉
I appreciate your videos. You have inspired my to sign up for classes in Denton Texas Denton Iaido! Thank you! Keep the videos coming. I also got copy of Miyamoto Musashi’s book of the Five Rings.
I've been waiting for this
Well, the WWII after effects certainly help explain why it's so hard to find kenjutsu training today. That said, understanding that the drawing techniques aren't really to be found with kenjutsu instruction is something worth bearing in mind, as while having an already drawn sword may make sense on a battlefield, but for something like a duel (or an encounter with bandits), the ability to skillfully draw the sword does indeed seem like something worth picking up.
All of these arts certainly seem to have their merits; thank you for clarifying a bit further as I decide where my focus will be.
Muso jikiden eishin ryu combines battodo and iaido and the sitting forms can all be reproduced standing (infact several of the omori ryu originally were standing kata). Also, we do tameshigiri as well.
While there's certainly a big differencr between kendo federation iaido and all japan battodo, most of the other schools have different ways of combining the two into a more comprehensive sword art.
Must also remember that many eishin ryu sword styles still stem from pre edo styles which used a tachi rather than uchigatana. Even the katori shinto ryu predates edo though it is a more all encompassing martial art system.
Lots of great info and insights here. Just wanted to add my observations and understandings through my studies as well. Love your channel!
I believe that learning to avoid violence is an important part of enlightenment through martial arts. But a foundational part of that is an intimate knowledge of how to do violence and injure or kill someone. Without the understanding that comes from that knowledge the value of peace and nonviolence is neither properly appreciated or understood.
An essential element of pacifism is the ability to do violence and choosing not to. Without the ability to do great violence choosing not to do harm is not pacifism, but simply harmlessness.
Love all of your videos! Stay healthy and safe
I love how expressive you are
Thank you for pointing the styles out for us new to the practice of swordsmanship.
Very Cool
I used to love the idea of moral and self development in martial arts but from what ive seen, that only holds true for people who are already violent and restless and therefor need discipline and an outlet for their negativity. For regular people, martial arts have the tendency to foster egotistical and violent behavior. Also, thanks for explaining what i always used to wonder about while watching the rurouni kenshin series 20 years ago.
Interesting explanation. Very informative and I like the attitude.
An amazing & educational video this clip was to watch. In addition the techniques you spoke of for Iado & Battodo reminds me of how I was taught years ago by friends who were descendants of Japanese sword users including samurais that as a sword weilder you only draw your weapon to defend yourself & others & especially in a fight like or other life & death threatening situation.
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Ok So
Laido
Battojutsu/KenJutsu
I now Can See The Path I want take.
Thank you for this very informative Video.
As someone who used to be a Kendo and Iaido trainee (in Switzerland) I enjoyed your video very much, thank you! Excellently made, loved your illustrations.
And yes, being used to a Iaito and seeing adn feeling what blunders happen, I‘d be very very scared at the thought using a katana - especially by beginners…
Thank you, Sensei!
Solid information from this video keep up the good work.
Thank you for making videos like this. I really enjoy watching video about Japanese culture and Japanese swordsmanship. Although i don't have a martial arts training.
This video, although briefly explained, also explains the difference between Iaido and Iaijutsu really nice.
When I first started Iaido, I always wondered why we weren't cutting faster and stronger. It didn't make sense to me that we are using weapons to only "demonstrate" instead of focusing on "reality".
When I told my friend about this after our Kendo practice, he recommended me to visit an Iaijutsu dojo. At first I thought it would be the same thing... but I was so wrong. The ways that are taught were different enough that I felt like I was learning a different martial art. It wasn't particularly a night and day level of difference, but the Iaijutsu dojo focused more on practicality rather than the way of doing each waza and katas like the Iaido dojo I was attending. I did love learning the practicality and other movements that seemed I could really agree on.
However, I did end up staying in the Iaido dojo, although the Iaijutsu dojo focused on practicality, some of the concepts they have clashed with what I have been learning for decades(Kendo), which made me leave. Still, I would highly recommend both dojos depending on the person of what they're looking for. Practicality vs Harmony/Self-improvement.
This was very informative content. Thanks for sharing
Love your summary of budo. Arigato gozaimasu
Sounds to me that the best path would be Kendo to train to fight, Battodo to work on Edge Alignment and skill, and Iaido for mental strength and control.
Mental Control? Skill with cutting? Expert with Fighting? Sounds like a REAL Samurai to me!
The Samurai has been split into three parts, Kendo, Battodo, and Iaido. The pieces to combine to make a Samurai.
I find myself agreeing with this assessment. After all, samurai weren't berserkers swinging their swords willy-nilly and everyone is praying they hit the right targets, especially since katana are single-edge swords.
I'm new to your channel and realy like the content your putting out!And just subbed!!I used to train iaido back in 2012,but I got diagnosed with a Nasty disease about a year after I started and couldn't keep up training in class, so I trained at my house at my own pace..Thankyou again for the Awesome videos!!✌
I used Iaido kata with real sword to cut tatami in Battodo class while sitting
It’s very interesting comparing the Chinese martial art community, the Japanese martial art community, the MMA community, and the HEMA community. The Chinese martial art community is also split into a kata branch and a sparring branch, with the kata branch focusing more on the exercises and philosophy and more popularized, and the sparring branch focusing on sports competitions and police and military training. There have been conflicts between MMA communities in China and Chinese martial art communities on the combat viability of Chinese martial arts in recent years. The MMA of course is fully about actual fighting, with little philosophy beyond fighting itself. The HEMA (Historical European Martial Arts) community meanwhile is all about historical accuracy, as the inheritance of European swords-ship has been lost, and historians are rediscovering techniques found in historical martial art manuals, guided by combat viability.
Personally I find the purity of MMA really impressive and philosophical in its own right, but the purity of Iaido is nothing short. I think it’s a great lesson that Iaido is able to formalize the katas into a culture, to be honest with the combat weakness and to instead develop them into a way of meditation.
Wow i really like this channel. I learn something every time. Thank you very much!
thankyou, I love It , love It . I am LEARING ! So much from you . Thank you . eric from south africa
Actual cutting is extremely important for proper grip and angles and all that.
I've heard that prior to the Tokugawa era, katana swords were a bit larger, and a tsuka at least as long as one's forearm, gripped with one hand up high and one hand down low. I don't like how so many ancient family swords were taken after WWII. They ended up in garages, attics, sold wherever and eventually into greedy "orientalist" western collectors. My grandfather was in Germany in WWII and took home some daggers, but they weren't family heirlooms, more like fancy costume pieces.
Actually the vast majority of swords brought back to the US from Japan in ww2 were not real katana. Many officers and ncos had swords given to them during ww2 that mostly were quickly made fully machined peices that even today are pretty much worthless. It was extremely rare for a true katana or peice that was passed through faimily members to be brought back. Some which were however can be worth up to a million dollars.
Outstanding video, thank you!
Thank you for this! I would love to practice Iaido with you one day, my friend!
In the West, Iaido seems a lot more ubiquitous but often still offers tatami cutting training for advanced practitioners.
G-day young Sir, this is a brilliant video, very informative yet entertaining in a very Japanese style, thank you very much. Cheers.
Your presentation is impeccable, Shogo!
As a student of Toyama-ryū Morinaga-ha Iaidō, the objections that led to battōdō separating from iaidō sound familiar.
Toyama-ryū iaidō comes from Guntō no Sōhō (1925-1945), developed at Rikugun Toyama Gakkō to be more battlefield effective than the ornate sword techniques that came out of the Edo period. The curriculum at the Toyama School included (and, if I understand correctly, dan rank testing for modern students includes) tameshigiri. Also, all 14 kata of the Toyama style are fully standing. In addition, my sensei has said that our dōjō tends more toward kenjutsu than our sister dōjō, with work on partnered combat exercises with bokken.
love the channel! been watching everyday since i found it! great job Shogo! keep it up and thank you!
Thank you for your videos Shogo-san.
I really like your format and pace a lot. It is obvious to me that you take great care and preparations for your videos.
I enjoy and learn a lot from you!
A Samurai must always be polite, even towards his enemies.
Shogo-san, thank you for your wonderful videos about Japanese culture and martial arts. I am very impressed with each presentation. Not only is the detailed knowledge you give us so well researched, you communicate it very clearly with superb public speaking skills in English. What I appreciate the most is your patient kindness, generosity and gentle heart. Thank you so very much.
True budoka you are!! Thanks 🙏. I love your teaching and your show.Domo arigato gozaimasu. Keep up the good work. Those arts must not die. 👍
I am very interesting in armed martials arts from all the world. I like the way the "do" focus on the metal aspect of oneself, but also the aspect of "jutsu" to cultivate the skill. In Historical Europeans Martials Arts practise more the "jutsu" of the ancients tecnique that some masters write 500 years ago, but I also believe that a strong mind is important in martials arts and in life in general, so i guess the "do" and the "jutsu" parts are important to me. Thanks you for the video
So informative and interesting! Thank you for sharing bro :)
The explanation about samurai only having a wakizashi on them when indoors made me think - why is it so rare nowadays to see martial arts with wakizashi and/or tanto?
I've seen tanto (safe practice versions) occasionally used in self-defense martial arts, basically "defense against knives" or such. As for wakizashi, I think I've seen it occasionally in the context of kenjutsu and, for example, Niten Ichi-ryū (dual wielding), but overall it seems like almost all the focus is on the katana, and most japanese sword martial arts seem to completely ignore shorter swords. Why is that?
I started iaido because i thought the form is beautiful and the noto is zen in your hands. I seen tatami cutting but the smooth draw and noto is what caught my eye. great video.
Great job brother
Yeah it be nice to bring them all together maybe use Iaido as a starter course. To understand and appreciate sword handling. Then put Kendo so students get the practice and see the importance of the movements and reality of combat. THEN if the students spirit and morals are upright finish with the cutting arts.
Man i always thought u do all the cutting stuffs in iaido. Ive heard abt battodo but i didnt do any research abt it. Thanks Shogo-san for clearing this up ❤
Again many thanks for such an excellent video brings an overview on these topics! As a beginner in Iaido it's great to go to the fundamentals of this "Art". As a student in many martial arts for over 20 years, I like to appreciate and underline your point to be respectfull versus other martial arts forms, and thier suggestions to react on a battle situation. I do reccomend to participate in seminars several martial arts are trained, to respectfully feel and train other ways to react on a situation.
Anyhow, again my deepes thanks for your great videos.
PS may you can add a video focused on the right prononciation of japanese Words? EG I was astonished on the right prononciation of Tsuba
I see a lot of parallels to the debates in the firearms community: shooting a paper target isn't really preparing you for a fight. Are airsoft or paintball meaningful force on force training substitutes? Are dynamic action orientated gun sports meaningful training or just games? Openly carrying a rifle as a member of a military on a battlefield vs concealed carrying a handgun as a police officer or civilian = very different training methods and objectives. And ultimately if you're carrying a sword or gun without the proper mental or emotional balance you're going to hurt yourself or someone else.