Probably the most honest and transparent review I’ve seen for a long while. I’ve been watching your videos over the last week, and actually enjoyed your delivery and content, it’s very honest. You earned an instant subscribe from me today!! Brilliant video. I didn’t need to see you driving the car, we know what the car is from other videos, but the way you described your thoughts and experience of it in the video is more than enough to make up my mind, that my current F87 is “bargain of the century” as you said in the video. I purchased my LCI M2, brand new ,5 years ago, I didn’t even test drive it as BMW dealer messed me about so much regards the test drive and deal, so I went to another dealer and did the deal without a test drive. The F87 is totally amazing, it’s raw, and yes mine is a manual too. I can relate to so many points you raised in this video, hence the subscription. I wish you well with your channel and look forward to more content from you. Don’t lose the honesty and transparency, like some have, when you’re channel becomes really big and successful. Great content so far👊🏼
F87 is still CBU in germany, G87 is made in mexico.... F87 is a playful car, G87 is a fast car.... F87 is best lokin wif sharp curve, G87 loks SQ tat dun las long Driving a M german QC car wif satisfaction tats F87, small, nimble, light......
Thanks for the review. I am trying one in three weeks time when my Comp is having its End of Warranty inspection. So far it is not making my wallet twitch!😆
Great review, The GT4 point is what I also say. I own a M2C - and I mostly see 2 downsides on the new one. The looks are weird from certain angles, especially the design of the front and rear. The side angle looks ok. But as I sometimes drive my car on track, I already complain about weight, so why should I get a car that is even heavier? And again, BMW makes the same mistake, they try to solve the problem with better electronics, with wider tires and with more power. Also, I really like the new interior, But only for the child in me, when I go to tracks, I don't want any more buttons than necessary, and I want clear simple designed gauges to grasp things in a sec. I mean on the new ones - there is even a dial missing to quickly turn up heat/cold? Everyone who does track days - knows how great it is to just flick a knob to have more air ect.
That’s not an M2. It’s made in Mexico as part of BMWs strategic objective to drive down manufacturing costs generated by its M division. If Ferrari made its F8 Spider in Mexico it wouldn’t be labelled a Ferrari so why should we be calling this enchilada an M car!
@@MDrives I hear you on the new era front but I associate M cars being made in Germany. It is part of the heritage of the brand: it’s premium segment. BMW sold out in my view. They continue to make M3 and above in Germany. The F87 M2 is the last M2 to be made in Germany. People talk up the value of the 1M a lot but the real M2 will fall into the same bucket once it gets a few more years behind it.
@@HTH88 obviously M2 is more popular so will never be as valuable as 1M but, I think similarly to E92 M3, it will stop soon at a certain level and won’t go lower unless it will have silly milage
I Feel the same I can’t justify spending so much a month on the G87 when it looses so much I love about the f87. I’ve owned my manual m2 for 7 years now and I don’t see me changing it for another new bmw.
Really informative video, thank you for your honesty. Really goes to show how much interest rates affect these PCP deals over the past few years isn't it. From seeing several reviews, it sounds like the G87 is basically a cut-price G82 with a shorter wheel base. For people who appreciate the smaller BMW M cars for their playful handling rather than their autobahn and CarWow drag race capabilities, I have a feeling that the Toyota GR86 would be worth checking out. It may not have the in-gear acceleration nor refinement of modern BMWs, but it weighs at least 300kg less, comes with LSD as standard, low driving position and you can really ring the engine out to its redline without going over the national speed limits too much on winding B roads. Only thing is, the UK market will be limited in allocation, which is why GR86s on the used market are still trading over their list price :/ So probably best to keep your F87 for now!
Just an honest and brilliantly well done video, F87 is still the best looking car by far, if you do change get the mighty bmw m2 competition. Well done. 😊😅
wait what? isnt m2 g87 best of the best? bmw did not pay you? :D jokes aside, this is probably most honest review on YT, good stuff. I have not driven one just sat in one with buckets, i would not even try to drive m2 that weights close to my g31 bmw. how fast you have to go to feel limits of m2? +1 sub
Thanks. I was nowhere near the limits of that car as I had the sales guy next to me. It’s a capable car and a great driving car too but I feel like it’s targeting different audience. They made it bigger, more comfortable, full of tech and unfortunately it lost its character. It’s basically a 4 series.
@@MDrives people talk that m2 is what used to be m3 and m3 is like 5 series, however, audio system is not good and there are other things missing it to be 5 series. what i wonder is how come Porsche can make relatively light cars? 992`s, gt3=1500kg, carrera s= 1600kg, 718 gts under 1500kg.
I think you will be happy with it if you test drove it and it felt good to you. It’s all very personal. You can definitely have fun in it and probably would leave f87 behind. But to me it feels more like an M4 inside, just too big and comfy for me.
@@MDrives Thank you, I hope so too. I miss the touch of comfort with the F87 as (almost) dayly. But the fun with it should also be there. So the quadration of the circle. :-)
Frankly, the G87 M2 isn't the worst looking BMW I've seen. I remember people trashing the Bangle-era cars when they came out, and some of those models are still absolutely hideous to me. The E60 M5 still looks off, and the Beluga whale shape of the E63 M6 isn't much better or worse than the bucktooth G8x M3/M4. The only thing going for them was the screaming 5.0L V10, and even then, it's notorious unreliability can be a turn-off for some. I think it's safe to say people liked the F87 generation is because aside from the design, it stayed true to BMW's heritage dating all the way back to the 2002 and E30 M3. The G87, particularly with its S58 engine gaining a reputation for big HP tunes, is more like a modern Mk4 Supra. Sure that can be good in its own way, but I guess that's not a BMW heritage. Ironically, the Mk5 "Zupra" is now closer in spirit to the old M2, and the only car on sale today that is closest in ethos to the original E30 M3, is a Toyota GR86. Similar weight, similar power, and both are more engaging at lower speeds than the current M offerings.
@@MDrives Thank you. Despite the summary I gave, I don't think the G87 is necessarily a bad car. It just fills a different pair of shoes than the one most BMW fans expect it to fill.
F87 owners are always bias, there's literally 75kg difference between DCT m2 comp with full tank and ZF G87 with full tank , just check on the scale . I recommend to see how crazy capable track car this new M2 is, it can go as fast as base 911 or cayman GT4 for half the price. Although I have to admit f87 is better looking and more raw .
Well, I like to think I wasn’t biased when making this video. I tried to like it and I think I liked it more that I through I would. It certainly is a nice car to drive but it doesn’t go with what I’m looking for from a car. The car I was testing was 200kg heavier than my manual OG which was on scales and was 1525kg with a half tank.
@@MDrives og manual m2 1550 with full tank, manual g87 1700kg with full tank with carbon roof and carbon buckets it's 1690kg , 140kg difference. Still to heavy but less gap than everyone is saying
@@karolmaciejewski340 it is very personal. I find them very comfortable. I have a bad back and can spend in them 10h without any problems. But I get a back pain after 15min in our Q2.
The GT4 is in a completely different league! Your thoughts are exactly the same as mine. The only thing going for the G87 is imagining it tuned to huge BHP.
🥸you are right . G87 is for those that want a roomier, more luxurious, more comfortable fast sports car. All the opposite reasons why I didn’t like the F87.
2 things you want to avoid in this car, 1) auto , 2) $20k of carbon fiber. This is a last perfect sports car for a daily driving with a 6 speed manual ( extremely stable, or tail happy if you like), Pay 62k for the base car, and add whatever your heart desires ( e.g. front lip, springs, and spacers). Done!
I agree this is the last manual M and it’s a nice car. I don’t think it’s tempting enough for any f87 owner as it doesn’t offer anything more apart from more comfort and tech. And if you just want more speed, there are other faster cars out there
@@MDrives you see, this car has matured in the right direction. I used to have super fun cars when I was younger, but after couple of hours of driving hard in the mountains, I would feel tired and beaten. I’m a bit older now, still do the same thing, yet don’t feel tired at all in G87! Plus, feel a lot more confident in this car ( and somehow safer), than when I did with the other ones ( super aware of not killing myself on tight corners). Daily drive it in comfort mode, and feels like a nice luxury car. To me doing all this in a 450+hp, 6 speed, rear wheel drive coupe worth every penny. But I do understand that if I already had a F87, and was a bit younger, switching would not be a priority.
Its absolutely awful looking. That colour makes it look alot worst too. They only look good in black where it hides the horrid shapes a bit more. The stick on carbon bits on the sides are so tacky. Has to be the worst looking bmw ever made this. The performance is all it has going for it unfortunatly. Ive got a f87 myself and there is no way in hell id be seen dead in one of those.
Probably the most honest and transparent review I’ve seen for a long while. I’ve been watching your videos over the last week, and actually enjoyed your delivery and content, it’s very honest. You earned an instant subscribe from me today!! Brilliant video. I didn’t need to see you driving the car, we know what the car is from other videos, but the way you described your thoughts and experience of it in the video is more than enough to make up my mind, that my current F87 is “bargain of the century” as you said in the video. I purchased my LCI M2, brand new ,5 years ago, I didn’t even test drive it as BMW dealer messed me about so much regards the test drive and deal, so I went to another dealer and did the deal without a test drive. The F87 is totally amazing, it’s raw, and yes mine is a manual too. I can relate to so many points you raised in this video, hence the subscription. I wish you well with your channel and look forward to more content from you. Don’t lose the honesty and transparency, like some have, when you’re channel becomes really big and successful. Great content so far👊🏼
Thank you for all your kind words. 🤚🙏
The most important thing is, the F87 Comp doesn't require vomit bags while you approach it.
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Think us OG m2 owners will be keeping our cars a lot longer than the norm which is not a bad thing…
Definitely
F87 is still CBU in germany, G87 is made in mexico....
F87 is a playful car, G87 is a fast car....
F87 is best lokin wif sharp curve, G87 loks SQ tat dun las long
Driving a M german QC car wif satisfaction tats F87, small, nimble, light......
Thanks for the review. I am trying one in three weeks time when my Comp is having its End of Warranty inspection. So far it is not making my wallet twitch!😆
It’s a nice car. You might even be impressed by it. It all depends what are your expectations from it.
I've never been a BMW fan but I prefer yours over the new one and I am a Merc man.
These days cars are less exciting. I would rather get an older Mercedes than be AMG 4 pots
Great review, The GT4 point is what I also say. I own a M2C - and I mostly see 2 downsides on the new one. The looks are weird from certain angles, especially the design of the front and rear. The side angle looks ok. But as I sometimes drive my car on track, I already complain about weight, so why should I get a car that is even heavier? And again, BMW makes the same mistake, they try to solve the problem with better electronics, with wider tires and with more power.
Also, I really like the new interior, But only for the child in me, when I go to tracks, I don't want any more buttons than necessary, and I want clear simple designed gauges to grasp things in a sec.
I mean on the new ones - there is even a dial missing to quickly turn up heat/cold? Everyone who does track days - knows how great it is to just flick a knob to have more air ect.
Couldn’t agree more. All manufacturers gone that way apart from very few.
I honestly don’t see alot of F87 owners trading in their cars for G87’s. It’s been a let
down tbh.
Some will. Some people just want new “gadgets” all the time.
Great to hear a real, honest opinion. Even if it's a negative one.
How would you compare the suspension harshness/comfort of those M2s?
Pozdrawiam
Hej! G87 felt more comfortable. It would be a very good car to drive every day. Unfortunately, this isn’t what I want from an M car. Pozdrowienia!🫡
That’s not an M2. It’s made in Mexico as part of BMWs strategic objective to drive down manufacturing costs generated by its M division. If Ferrari made its F8 Spider in Mexico it wouldn’t be labelled a Ferrari so why should we be calling this enchilada an M car!
It is an M car of today’s era but to me it isn’t M2 anymore. It’s M4
@@MDrives I hear you on the new era front but I associate M cars being made in Germany. It is part of the heritage of the brand: it’s premium segment. BMW sold out in my view. They continue to make M3 and above in Germany. The F87 M2 is the last M2 to be made in Germany. People talk up the value of the 1M a lot but the real M2 will fall into the same bucket once it gets a few more years behind it.
@@HTH88 obviously M2 is more popular so will never be as valuable as 1M but, I think similarly to E92 M3, it will stop soon at a certain level and won’t go lower unless it will have silly milage
I Feel the same I can’t justify spending so much a month on the G87 when it looses so much I love about the f87.
I’ve owned my manual m2 for 7 years now and I don’t see me changing it for another new bmw.
Exactly. It feels to me like F cars were peak when it comes to driver engagement. G’s are faster and comfier but not as engaging.
Really informative video, thank you for your honesty. Really goes to show how much interest rates affect these PCP deals over the past few years isn't it. From seeing several reviews, it sounds like the G87 is basically a cut-price G82 with a shorter wheel base. For people who appreciate the smaller BMW M cars for their playful handling rather than their autobahn and CarWow drag race capabilities, I have a feeling that the Toyota GR86 would be worth checking out. It may not have the in-gear acceleration nor refinement of modern BMWs, but it weighs at least 300kg less, comes with LSD as standard, low driving position and you can really ring the engine out to its redline without going over the national speed limits too much on winding B roads. Only thing is, the UK market will be limited in allocation, which is why GR86s on the used market are still trading over their list price :/ So probably best to keep your F87 for now!
Wise words. Thank you for your comment.
Just an honest and brilliantly well done video, F87 is still the best looking car by far, if you do change get the mighty bmw m2 competition. Well done. 😊😅
wait what? isnt m2 g87 best of the best? bmw did not pay you? :D
jokes aside, this is probably most honest review on YT, good stuff. I have not driven one just sat in one with buckets, i would not even try to drive m2 that weights close to my g31 bmw.
how fast you have to go to feel limits of m2?
+1 sub
Thanks. I was nowhere near the limits of that car as I had the sales guy next to me. It’s a capable car and a great driving car too but I feel like it’s targeting different audience. They made it bigger, more comfortable, full of tech and unfortunately it lost its character. It’s basically a 4 series.
@@MDrives people talk that m2 is what used to be m3 and m3 is like 5 series, however, audio system is not good and there are other things missing it to be 5 series.
what i wonder is how come Porsche can make relatively light cars? 992`s, gt3=1500kg, carrera s= 1600kg, 718 gts under 1500kg.
@@MeijaJanis it’s different when you are building a sport car from the start and not a comfortable saloon and then convert it to a sport car.
How do you like the new M2?
I like the new door handles ...
This is were we are now :(
It’s a nice car to be in but not to look at from the outside unless you spend tons of money on aftermarket parts
I am a F87 owner too and already ordered a G87, and I have the same fears you offered.
I think you will be happy with it if you test drove it and it felt good to you. It’s all very personal. You can definitely have fun in it and probably would leave f87 behind. But to me it feels more like an M4 inside, just too big and comfy for me.
@@MDrives Thank you, I hope so too. I miss the touch of comfort with the F87 as (almost) dayly. But the fun with it should also be there. So the quadration of the circle. :-)
I cancelled my order the second I saw the leaks. Not gonna trade my F87 for a melted brick of butter.
Frankly, the G87 M2 isn't the worst looking BMW I've seen. I remember people trashing the Bangle-era cars when they came out, and some of those models are still absolutely hideous to me. The E60 M5 still looks off, and the Beluga whale shape of the E63 M6 isn't much better or worse than the bucktooth G8x M3/M4. The only thing going for them was the screaming 5.0L V10, and even then, it's notorious unreliability can be a turn-off for some.
I think it's safe to say people liked the F87 generation is because aside from the design, it stayed true to BMW's heritage dating all the way back to the 2002 and E30 M3. The G87, particularly with its S58 engine gaining a reputation for big HP tunes, is more like a modern Mk4 Supra. Sure that can be good in its own way, but I guess that's not a BMW heritage. Ironically, the Mk5 "Zupra" is now closer in spirit to the old M2, and the only car on sale today that is closest in ethos to the original E30 M3, is a Toyota GR86. Similar weight, similar power, and both are more engaging at lower speeds than the current M offerings.
Great summary
@@MDrives Thank you. Despite the summary I gave, I don't think the G87 is necessarily a bad car. It just fills a different pair of shoes than the one most BMW fans expect it to fill.
@@drjk7565 exactly that. Everyone has different needs.
imho, E63 M6 is one of the best looking Ms, probably lighter than g87 as well :D
@@MeijaJanis E46 M3 CSL😍
F87 owners are always bias, there's literally 75kg difference between DCT m2 comp with full tank and ZF G87 with full tank , just check on the scale . I recommend to see how crazy capable track car this new M2 is, it can go as fast as base 911 or cayman GT4 for half the price. Although I have to admit f87 is better looking and more raw .
Well, I like to think I wasn’t biased when making this video. I tried to like it and I think I liked it more that I through I would. It certainly is a nice car to drive but it doesn’t go with what I’m looking for from a car. The car I was testing was 200kg heavier than my manual OG which was on scales and was 1525kg with a half tank.
@@MDrives og manual m2 1550 with full tank, manual g87 1700kg with full tank with carbon roof and carbon buckets it's 1690kg , 140kg difference. Still to heavy but less gap than everyone is saying
@@karolmaciejewski340 thanks for the info 👍🏻
@@MDrives tbh I don't mind little extra comfort now in my 40s f87 was killing my back when driving for over 1hour.
@@karolmaciejewski340 it is very personal. I find them very comfortable. I have a bad back and can spend in them 10h without any problems. But I get a back pain after 15min in our Q2.
"Looks a bit Halfords" haha!
where do i get that go pro mount for the drivers seat boss?
Search for Hague headrest camera mount.
thank you sir@@MDrives
@@layoa4275 not a problem.
The GT4 is in a completely different league! Your thoughts are exactly the same as mine. The only thing going for the G87 is imagining it tuned to huge BHP.
Fully agree. To me handling is far more important than power and unfortunately weight doesn’t go with it.
5:48 is that a rear left indicator failure binging away?
Yeap. Gave it a smack after the drive which sorted it for now.
🥸you are right . G87 is for those that want a roomier, more luxurious, more comfortable fast sports car. All the opposite reasons why I didn’t like the F87.
Exactly
The problem is the new M2 is too expensive, finance is too high APR.
I guess prices of all cars gone mad. Porkers gone up £12k across the range lately
2 things you want to avoid in this car, 1) auto , 2) $20k of carbon fiber. This is a last perfect sports car for a daily driving with a 6 speed manual ( extremely stable, or tail happy if you like), Pay 62k for the base car, and add whatever your heart desires ( e.g. front lip, springs, and spacers). Done!
I agree this is the last manual M and it’s a nice car. I don’t think it’s tempting enough for any f87 owner as it doesn’t offer anything more apart from more comfort and tech. And if you just want more speed, there are other faster cars out there
@@MDrives you see, this car has matured in the right direction. I used to have super fun cars when I was younger, but after couple of hours of driving hard in the mountains, I would feel tired and beaten. I’m a bit older now, still do the same thing, yet don’t feel tired at all in G87! Plus, feel a lot more confident in this car ( and somehow safer), than when I did with the other ones ( super aware of not killing myself on tight corners). Daily drive it in comfort mode, and feels like a nice luxury car. To me doing all this in a 450+hp, 6 speed, rear wheel drive coupe worth every penny. But I do understand that if I already had a F87, and was a bit younger, switching would not be a priority.
@@arymonem well I think I said, it will suit some, it’s just not what I’m looking for at the moment. Totally get your point of view.
it needs more curves
It’s too boxy.
I really think you are doing a diss-service to Halfords.
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Its absolutely awful looking. That colour makes it look alot worst too. They only look good in black where it hides the horrid shapes a bit more. The stick on carbon bits on the sides are so tacky. Has to be the worst looking bmw ever made this. The performance is all it has going for it unfortunatly. Ive got a f87 myself and there is no way in hell id be seen dead in one of those.
Haha I’m with you on this one.
Fair play for not puking when you saw it. That is just an awful looking car.
😂 if anyone think this car is beautiful, they should go to specsavers