One of the MOST INTERESTING pedals - Simagic P1000 | Review and Test
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- čas přidán 11. 06. 2024
- This pedalset has surprised me a lot. Today we are having a closer look at its features!
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0:00 Basic Infos
1:49 Build Quality
2:30 Closer Look: Throttle
5:17 Closer Look: Brake
6:35 Do Elastomers suck?
10:01 Brake Kit and Hydraulics
12:43 Haptic Pedal Reactor
14:36 How do the Haptics work?
16:19 RGB ALL THE THINGS and Electronics
18:11 Software
20:31 On Track
21:43 Competition and Verdict
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Awesome video Dan, loved the explanations of the elastomers and haptics. Simagic is doing great stuff
Good timing mate, bought a set yesterday and so far enjoying the ease of use of both the adjustment and software. Bought two haptic reactors and again so simple to set up.
I just ordered these. Been wanting them for months. Simagic is incredible. I have the alpha u and fx pro and couldn’t be happier after a year of owning them. They’re perfect. And so affordable compared to comparable products on the market just like the pedals. This company is amazing
I just got the alpha u and p1000 but coming from moza having a difficult time setting them up properly. How did you get through that initial setup phase
@@llavaertsorry I don’t have CZcams notifications and just saw this after coming back to this video. I don’t know if you’re still struggling but tbh it was just trial and error for me like Dan says in this video. I spent a lot of time setting up profiles for iRacing, ACC, and LMU just based off of what I personally want to feel. I want to recreate real life as much as possible so I try to get the correct wheel weight and feel with ffb. (Example: in ACC I run 35-40% depending on the car. While having everything in the Simagic software strength-wise set to 100%. Ffb details is maxed while damping & inertia is 0. Mechanical grip is around 30-40%.)
Some people who try my rig say it’s too heavy for them but for me, it’s perfect, and it’s about as heavy as a gt3/4 car. I haven’t driven one myself…yet…Lol, but I have had an amateur gt3 driver test out my rig and help me tune it to be as close to the cars he’s driven as possible. And I’ve talked to Daniel morad a lot at races about this Lol. Everyone is different like I said, but I personally go for accuracy to irl. So you gotta spend the time to figure out what works for you.
For the haptics on the pedals I use simhub like Daniel said in this video. Spent hours fine tuning suspension bumps and ABS and tc/wheel slip and lock in that as well
thx dan, i've been waiting for this review for a long time
I just put these on my rig yesterday thank you for the great review I learned a lot.
Recently got into sim racing your videos helped me alot! I purchased these pedals
Thanks for the great review. Also purchased these and can't wait to put them on my rig.😊
I was an early adopter and they have been great and continue months later, no problems at all :)
Excellent review! This will be my next pedal set.
Finally - thank you for your effort. Danke ❤
Thx Dan, great review!
Just FYI on this, the hydraulic set uses 9 elastomers, the non hydraulic uses 8. I just bought the hydaulic version and installed it, and it was confusing because they instructions show the non hydraulic version and says only use 8 elastomers. But when you open the elastomar 'container' it has 9 preinstalled from factory. If you look up the hydraulic upgrade instructions, it also shows a picture with 9 elastomers. I also noticed if you use 8 with the hydraulic set, the elastomer cover screws all the way down when it's actually supposed to be the preload for the brakes. You have to have 9 in there for it to be adjustable for preload.
awesome review as always.
Nice and complete review! As one of the early adopters from these pedals I have to say I love them, coming from Heusinkveld Pro. Although the Race Beyond Matter video got me in doubt about them. In the software the degradation of the input is clearly visible, but I never experienced or felt it when I was racing and that's the most important part. Don't focus on anything that doesn't matter when you are using the pedals to what they are built to do. Now trying to find the rumble motors somewhere in stock, that's the hardest part...
Cool Video, thx!
I have the 2 Padel Hydraulic set at home sice a month now and they are great!
I changed the elastomers with a after market spring by myself as the spring set from simagic wasn‘t available.
They‘re really a great set!
Was going to go the route of Dayton Audio but this the clear route to go. Thanks for another great tips and tricks!
The hydraulic cylinder in the middle of the brake adds a damping factor that can cancel out the hysteresis of the elastomers.
Hy Dan! Thanks again for the review! For me your observations about the elastomers and his behavior associated to the load cell are 100% accurate. I studied Aerospace Engineering having many subjects studied dedicated over materials structures and mechanisms. Then it seems to me that your observations about the behavior of elastomers in combination with the load cell are absolutely ok for me. Finally, a correct and subjective analysis is made on this topic. I like to see that some youtubers, plenty of passion and really good intentions dedicated themselves to trying explain it, but it is a relief to see when someone does it with knowledge and really scientific thinking behind as you do. I hope can get the P1000 in a few months, and I think that those rigid spacers that's not included from scratch could be easy made in ABS with a 3d printer added to your recommendations in your previous video. Thanks again for made and share this!
Awesome, thank you very much for your feedback 😊
@@DanSuzuki Hi Dan! Was würdest du mir empfehlen Simagic Alfa u oder Simucube Sport? Danke im voraus.
I'm so glad you covered the issue with this whole elastomer relaxing issues. I think some people have trained their muscle memory for position, rather than purely on pressure (whether they're aware of it or not), and they're the ones having the relaxing elastomer issues.
not entirely, i had CSL LC and had my memory trained for pressure. after updating to P1000 I encountered this issue using the same pressure as before. My further tests showed (at least in my case) its more related to the pressure applied and elastomers used. after i removed one grey rubber elastomer (softer one) and replaced it with a metal washer and lowered calibrated pressure a bit, stability improved drastically. I also tested with with the PU from CSL and it was also much better.
So to me it's an issue with some of the 'rubbers' used that cannot handle higher pressures. So with mostly PU parts it's ok, the more rubber ones you add (grey and black) the worse relaxation will become if you apply enough pressure.
I'm starting to suspect that the elastomers on the Simagic pedals are deforming under pressure. Laurence Dusoswa shows this on his review of the VNM pedals.
I have the p1000 in my main cockpit and the asetek forte in the secondary cockpit and I am liking the asetek ones a little more. Especially when you get the hang of the brake.
Love these pedals!! I've got the P1000I
i agreed heal rest plate is to short in my opinion either, however i solve this problem by screw it under by using diferent holes, but now there's a gape between pedals and plate
To eliminate the odd feeling on the pedal faces you could put something in the hole once you've decided the position you like. Exactly what to put in there depends on how deep the recessed screws are and how thick your filler is but the first thing I'd try are those stick on felt pads you put under a chair's legs so it'll slide smoothly on a hardwood floor. I've seen them at hardware stores, Rite Aide & CVS.
Another material you might want to try are those wax mouldable ear plugs. You can break off what you don't need & mould it into the exact shape & size of the hole. I think they'd stay in there on their own, if not, cover w/ Gorilla Tape (the best wearing of all duct tapes ive used).
A third material is fill w/ glue from a hot glue gun. Let it harden then cut off the excess. This last one may make it VERY hard to remove the glue to access the screws again, but in my experience all the glue applied in that application tends to come off all at once, not so much if part got a chance to harden b4 adding more.
Great review Dan. How would you compare these to the Simtrecs?
Amazing review of the pedals, very detailed!
I plan on upgrading next year from Moza SRP lite pedals, would you say the base 3 pedal set P1000s are a better option than HE Sprint pedals?
Really enjoyed this review. The one thing I wish that they would do is to offer the inverted kit with the gas pedal so it can be mounted on the bottom and still have the brake and clutch on the top. That would be really handy, I mean that you could mount it either on the top or the bottom. But I would like it to be mounted on the bottom so it would have a better angle for heal and toe. Other than that they are what I am looking at for in an upgrade from the Thrustmaster T-LMC Pedals. Thank you sir for the share.
An official spring kit, what great news, I see they are on sale now! Thanks for the information. Using the P1000 with the hydraulic kit with soft elastomers (gray), there is a lot of elastomer decompression, which is a real problem... I have to switch the crankset to "angular" mode to correct this problem. So I can't wait to test this spring kit! Do you know the difference between a hydraulic crankset with a pressure sensor, and a hydraulic crankset with a loadcell sensor (like the P1000)? Thank you for your always sharp reviews.
Logically, load cells with a more dense/harder elastomer stack will provide a more linear brake response in relation to pedal travel compared to a softer elastomer stack as the pressure is more directly applied.
Just about to pull the trigger on sprints but now this has me thinking.
which one did you get?
Simagic is an excellent option. I have the fx pro wheel and P2000’s. Very happy.
Why was I not surprised that there was an explanation of physics behind elastomer creep and stress relaxation
Dan can you show us your haptic settings in simhub for your brake and throttle plz? 😊
I'm glad you mentioned not feeling the "hydrolic feel". I just swapped out my Asetek Invicta pedals for Simucube ActivePedals. I was using the Asetek's since launch and never once thought it felt in any way hydrolic.
Interesting, as I've largely heard great things about the Asetek Invictas. Did it feel like a traditional spring or elastomer pedal? Something else entirely?
The Invicta's are great pedals! They feel like a normal elastomer brake imo. I mean in the end you do compress an elastomer.
Yeah, basically what Dan said. They are great quality pedals. Personally, I feel like they made me more consistant and therefore faster, but they pretty much just feel like any other elastomer pedal to me. @@flyingphoenix113
Great review and test, about to get the VRS pedals, but there are new pedal sets comming out every week :D The evolution of sim gear is going so fast. I think I'll have to reconsider the VRS pedals
I have the VRS pedals and absolutely love them! Definitely buy them. You won't be disappointed. I'm thinking about adding the simagic haptic feedback add-on to my break.
If you do the vrs. Keep the blue string in and insert 25mm spacers. Brake feels super linear. The red spring is too stiff imo. Was messing with my knee
I have the VRS and Simucube Active pedals. I would go with simucube p1000 or p2000 with haptic on the brake. Is gamechanging. Also the pedal faces in VRS or not that nice with socks to be honest.
Better buy the p2000 with haptic and long throttle pedal. My advice. Not far away from simucube which are way more.
Nah the VRS brake is better, just look at the shitty elastomer stack the p1000 uses. Basically an upgraded Fanakek v3. You can also mount simagic haptics to them if you want.
Nice Review!! I have the p1000 but the brake is making noises at high pressure after a time.. Where to get this springs, maybe they would help?
Hey man, what do you think about the P1000 with all add-ons vs the SRP GT-R Edition Pedals?
Great review! Thanks for remembering us rally drivers who brake and gas at the same time 😂.
Suzuki...you have a Japanese name?
Hi Dan, i like your reviews a lot, helped me out deciding on cpu and graficscard a lot (settled on 5800x3d and rtx 4070 ti). I am now in the market for a new set of pedals coming fromthe danatec v3s. It will go down between the simagic p1000 and the simlab xp1. What would be your recommendation, have you had the chance on (at least briefly) test the simlab xp1 as well? Kind regards
P1000 are great and if you have some more time - I have a set of XP1 incoming end of this week 😊
Hey, will you have to buy the spring options for the brake seperately or will it be included in the base pedal set?
I got the inverted ones with no throttle springs an have ended up with the exact same setup as you.
I want to buy "recator" and mount them to the Sprints. Does anyone know where can I find a solution?
Mine have just arrived, no clue how to get the haptic motor working in simhub, any where you can suggest for a tutorial?
10:07 but what!?!?!? 😲.... I can't find that springs kit on the Simagic website or at any distributor 🙁...... how I can get this???
edit: ah.. ok.. ok... that it still has not been released... well I hope it's soon :).
Hello, I don’t know if my previous comment is published, I was asking about those pedals, I saw Simagic selling a set of P1K with the Hydraulics installed, does this version come with the brake piston? As well do you have any idea if the new set of brake springs are included in the new version? Also please I couldn’t find the link that describes the Haptic reactor installation guide. Sorry for this long comment, and thanks mate for your reviews.
Should I get the inverted normal or inverted hydraulics? Difference is like 260usd in my country
Looking to upgrade from my moza SR-P pedals, not too sure if it be a giant upgrade. i Love the Moza SR-P but i just want my pedals to match my simagic alpha mini lol.
Reaching out to see if you have any issues with FPE v1 wheel while driving F1 2023 as far as missing a upshift or just not shifting properly, I'm asking cause after 3 years I had new shifters put on and now I'm told that its the game not the shifters.
Thanks Dan. I currently have the Sprints, do you see any point in buying these?
If you're happy with the sprints then maybe just add a reactor to those. The biggest downsides for the sprints imo is the low brake pressure - but if that's fine for you I don't see any reason to upgrade.
cant find that brakekit or any official statement about it anywhere. any hint where to buy this or when it will be released?
I am having the same issue with the short heel rest- were you able to come up with a solution for the issue? If anyone has suggestions please comment. Thanks
What power supply were you using testing the haptic unit?
When my Fanatec Clubsport V2's die, this is the set im buying :)
You say that the initial two pedal setup didn't have the stiffer throttle springs. So the next batches include stiffer spring for the two pedal setup?
the more RGB the faster you are hahaha :) good and nice review!
Very cool, but seeing as one of the main selling points is a hydraulic brake, I have my doubts as to the longevity of the off-brand Chinese hydraulics. Especially considering my experience with cheap Chinese hydraulic bicycle brakes.
Thank you for your reviews. I will strongly consider buying Simagic when getting into simracing again in 2024. Last setup was Logitech G29 many years ago.
But would you please consider to set your camera on something else than your table, since it shakes whenever you move, and it's a little nauseating.
Haha yeah that is annoying as hell, I’ve bought some tripods for the next one 😅
i have the same issue with the heel rest
Would you pick these over the SRP SimRacing-Pro pedals and how is Simagic customer service vs SRP customer service?
Also, SRP haptic now.
Thank you for your time on these reviews.
No, I don’t think so
So you prefer these over the SRP pedals then, I'm curious as to why or what specifically you prefer.
(oh i'm sorry, you answered what I "wanted to hear" in the end portion, my bad, Keep up the great work dan)
A mi no me ha quedado claro cuál prefiere, dice que le encanta la sensación de los pistones neumáticos, ¿pero estos srp serían su siguiente opción despues de Simucube?
Great video always. I have a question. Aren’t you supposed to use 9 elastomers with the hydraulic pedal set? I’ve actually worked with their support team on a separate issue and they recommended 9 total in their discord and on their elastomer guide for each car type.
Example from the Simagic guide:
GT3 Car: 3 red, 3 blue, 3 gold (aluminum)
Yeah, but I tried 8 and liked that better. With that you have a pretty light initial travel which helps me a ton with trailbraking.
Ok. Gotcha. Thank you for the reply! Happy sim racing!
@@DanSuzuki on video you have 7 - was 1 left in housing as I tried with 7 like on video and pedal just drop down 😂
Hey, Will you be reviewing the VNM pedals? thanks
I don’t have those
Is it worth to take p1000 without hydraulic brake ? Is it must have thing ? Which feel better when braking with or without hydraulic brake?
Ok nice. So i‘ll wait. Perfect comparison p1000 vs the xp1…
i was the 1000th like! feels good
How do they compare to the xp1 from Simlab? What do you think would be the best choice (same price for me)
Hey Dan. Would you mind sharing your SimHub Wheel Lock settings for the haptic reactor? I’ve been playing around with it and I’m not having much luck finding a good setup just yet. Thanks!
I went with pretty much default at 20hz and the threshold turned up to 50 so I don't get the tire slip effect too early.
Cheers Dan. I'll try that @@DanSuzuki
I was very impressed with your explanation of elastomers. It was comprehensive and all correct. It really shows that you studied the subject to make sure you understood it fully yourself before making a video about it.
in the shops the power supply for the haptics looks like it can only connect to an US electrical outlet. do I need an adapter for it in Germany?
Does someone know the minimum force we can apply with the stock elastomers ? I use few force like 25 kgs on my Heusinkveld
Did anyone do an "elastomer" count? I would like to ask Dan, without the haptic reactor would you still choose the P1000 over the VRS and Simgrade VX in pure performance? If you really wanted to win a race.
according to the resolve auto transcript it's 26 times 😅
for winning races all those pedals are equally good! I'd pick the p1000 out of the bunch
I come very close to maxing out the load cell on HE Sprints. Is the max brake force higher on these? I can’t seem to find this anywhere.
yes, definitely higher max brake pressure
Sold
P1000 or VRS (with the haptic adaptor)?
16:10 may you provide the link to fitting the haptic reactor for vrs pedals please? As it's not in the description.
It's "literally" the last video he uploaded.
@@Leon-nk7sp won't hold true indefinately.
Would you recommend this, or VRS pedals + haptic reactors with 3d printed solution?
I would buy the P1000! Cheaper and a bit better imo.
@@DanSuzuki thank you for answer!
So Dan, if you had to choose a 2 pedal set, no clutch, would it be SRP, Simagic or Asetek? I currently have the original Heusinkveld Pro's and they feel extremely outdated.
SRP with their haptics!
That is secretly what I was hoping you would say. 😬 Thanks for the feedback👍@@DanSuzuki
please help me choose p1000i or SimGrade VX Pro??
Which pedel to choose: p1000 sprint or VRS?
Good review, but the complaint about the haptic being to loud, I don't think matters when you have headphones or using speakers, and most likely your other sim racing peripherals make noise also.
Never underestimate how picky simracers can be 😅
I'm very undecided between this and the VX Pro, both with the simagic haptics...
Get the P1000 imo
great video as always.
can i install those P-HPR(Haptic pedals Reactor) on Heusinkveld Ultimate+ ? i have 3 pedal set.
if yes, then how many are enough ?
Easy! Get one for the brake - I think there are also mounts out there you can print, throttle and clutch is not necessary imo
@@DanSuzuki Thank you for replying, really appreciate your reply. I rarely get reply from channel owners.
what motion system would you choose/prefer, D-box (1.5 inch) or qubicsystem's QS-220-PL (100 mm aka 3.93701 inch) ?
Thanks again. Keep up the great work.
Never tried the qubic but more travel is nice, not needed for road racing but it’s awesome for flying or rally for example
@@DanSuzuki Thank you, the only question comes to mind is 1.5 inches enough ? and thats what stopping me from going to D-Box systems.
Really appreciate your reply. Thanks for your time.
@@DanSuzuki Thank you., really appreciate it.
Can one use that software without their hardware?
Hey Dan, You're not comparing these pedals with the SIm-Lab XP1. Can you tell us why?
And which of these two kits would you prefer?
I'm hesitating between them both.
Thanks
I didn’t have the Simlab back then. Also great pedals - you can’t go wrong with either one
What's your take on P2000 (fully loaded) vs P1000 hydraulic?
I have the P2000 and really like the throttle damper, but I wonder if there are any other pros. for the P1000 over the P2000.
I only briefly tested the P2000 on a showrig, so I can't really give you my opinion on that :-/
No.
Hallo ich stehe nach 1jahr Pause vor der Wahl welche pedale ich kaufen soll.
Zuletzt hatte ich die VRS aber man hört eig nur positives von den P1000.
Welche von beiden würdest du empfehlen?
Liebe Grüße
Mit beiden machst du nichts falsch, ich würde mich allerdings für die P1000 entscheiden
@@DanSuzuki weißt du ob simagic ein mod für die bremse raus bringt (feder)
Do you run a ''buttkicker'' as well as the Pedal Haptic? I have neither; is getting both kinda redundant?
Depends on what you put on the buttkicker :) I run a D-Box Gen 5 with haptics on my rig but don't have any ABS or tire lock effects on that!
How do the Moza CRP -Pedals compare to the Simagic P1000 Pedals? Have you had the opportunity to test the Moza CRP-Pedals?
No never tested those unfortunately
I would like to upgrade my Heusinkveld Sprint which are currently equipped with Sim3D rumble motors. Does it make sense to get the Simagic Haptic Reactors as an upgrade or should I just go all in (get the P1000 with haptic reactors)? Are the P1000 pedals an overall upgrade in brake feel? The 60 kg loadcell of the Heusinkvelds is sufficient for me.
I’m in a similar boat. I have 2 sprints but want a clutch. Have considered selling my 2 sprints to buy a 3 pedal set elsewhere.
Bro, just go with the new SimLab XP1, awesome Set of pedals
@@KS-rp7kr Overpriced for what they are, VRS miles better
Out of interest why are you guys upgrading the Sprints? Is it for the extra options of the haptics or hydraulics, or do you find the Sprints lacking in other ways? I'm going to have space for a proper rig at some point next year, and can start looking for better pedals at last, and have always thought the Sprints look to be decently put together even if they lack the bells and whistles of newer pedals, so would appreciate hearing why people are moving away from them if you have a moment!
I want a clutch pedal, I don’t want to pay $160 for one. It might be cheaper for me to sell my 2 HS’s and buy a new set of 3 pedals elsewhere.
I love my sprints. But no one is selling used clutches. And I’m not paying the inflated amount that most websites are asking.
just picked up the Sim Lab XP-1s... Would you say these are a lot better or close?
there isn't really a better or worse in the pedalworld any more ... they are all good.
Finally a haptic feedback for a pedal that makes sense. It actually pushes back against your foot instead of a twirly spinny thing that feels weird.
I don't have ABS or a pedal feedback because I didn't want a third bass shaker for my pedal, but this one makes total sense.
Agree, it feels really believable!
These haptic motors are bass shakers, it uses simhub. A glorified version of the $20 sound exciters sim racing corner fabricated. Sim magic should credit him.
For your algorithm sir
I like a lot about these pedals, but not being able to move them left and right was a dealbreaker for me (especially vs other options at a similar price point). It was one of the things I disliked about the Fanatec V3s and that I looked forward to changing when I bit the bullet and decided to replace them. It does make the integrated based and connections into it very neat & tidy, but the sacrifice isn't worth it, IMO.
You can move the throttle and the clutch out a bit and should be comfortable for almost everyone. Have you tried though?
@@wangte27 I can't see any way to adjust the left/right spacing of any individual pedal. The P1000 pedal tray only appears to have a single left/right position for each pedal?
No, I haven't tried it, because this was one of the reasons I bought different pedals.
I guess to each his own but it is adjustable. It's not infinitely adjustable and doesn't have to be in order to be comfortable.
Hi!!
These pedals or SRP pedals?
or VRS?
you have tried so many pedals this year, could you rank them just by performance taking price out of the equation?(iracing use)
The difference is mainly the feature set, performance is all the same and only depends on how much the pedal suits your braking style. Best pedalset by far has been the simucube pedals, nothing else comes even close.
@@DanSuzuki i figured about simucube pedals...i have older copies of heusinkvelds. but i feel im losing so much in the braking. when i let go off the brake abs is always on. so im thinking of p2000 or p1000 but im not sure which ones to go for
P1000 vs vrs? I’m coming from the v3 fanatecs
You watched the video? 😅
I have a fully equipped Fanatec V3 with rumble and dampers on brake and throttle… would the P1000 be a big upgrade?
Massiv upgrade. The Fanatec V3, even fully spec out, are extremely overpriced and terrible in comparison to every other set of pedals in the same pricerange. I would never ever recommend the V3s to anyone. When you need console compatibility i would choose the Elite V2 over the V3. In your case buy the P1000 and you will feel a whole new world.
Indeed! I changed my v3 with sim 3D rumbles and BPK for the inverted P1000 with 2 haptics and hydraulic kit. The difference was so obvious immediately. (hydraulic kit is not important). Ease of use and customization and the feel of quality are just the first shocking things comparing to v3. But I also got faster very soon. Haptics also had a great role to it. (using them via Simhub)
Anything is a upgrade over the Clubsport v3
Yes. I had the v3. And tested a lot of different expensive pedals. All of them where much much better than the v3. The p1000 are the best pedals I testet. (He Sprint, invicta, bj hydraulic, racewerk s1 hydraulic)
oh yes, definitely!
why are you only using 8 elastomers don’t you need to put in 9?
you said you’re running 2 red 3 blue and 3 gold aluminum spacers, you only run 8 for the non hydraulic version. just wondering if only using 8 makes any differences.
I like the very soft initial phase ... try it out :)
The moment a went away from elastomers... I. Never want to go back. VRS FTW.
What do you use and why?
I just took the heel rest off. Much better!
p1000 or p2000?