What is Wardriving?
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- čas přidán 17. 07. 2024
- short video as to what wardriving is and what some of the devices look like.
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It almost seems like doing big brother's work .
If you think for a second ISP's don't already GIVE the Gov's your info freely you've been in a CNN comma.
That's kinda what I was thinking. All this info is being collected and publicly post. Which isn't necessarily a bad or malicious thing. But who and in what way could a bad actor use this info? I'm not say anyone should stop or is wrong for doing this, it just a thought.
Lol. If you don't think big brother already has this info
@@hooks4638here's one, imagine you're a steamer and you accidentally show your network tab, boom, your ssid is leaked and now all it takes is someone savvy enough to look for it with your general area in mind and boom someone has your GPS location. From there someone can get one of those wifi analyzer tools to scope out the specific direction of the wifi and then they got your address.
@@killerx4123 that isn't the point. this seems absolutley dangerous. also probably impossible to regulate.
I must have looked at this 6 times to see everything. Just going to get this started.w
Well explained! When next video? Love to see more projects and hear more about this topic!
I have a hand full of things planned and will hopefully start getting them out this coming week. Next one should be a guide to the easiest way to start wardriving.
Good luck! I wish nothing but the best for you.
Thanks!
Thank you for the shout-out! Can't wait to see where you go from here.
Any time and thanks!
Good job on the vid!
Thanks!
Have you tried using Graphene OS with your current phone setup?
Great video
Thanks!
Waiting for your next videos. 👍
Very soon wanna keep pumping them out for sure
Very cool case for the JHewitt wardriver box. Did you purchase that or fabricate that? Are plans available for it?
I 3d printed it It's a combination of 3 models.
This one for the lcd face plate
www.printables.com/model/240493-case-for-the-jhewitt-esp32-based-wardriver-board
This one for the antenna ring
www.printables.com/model/448576-wardriver-antenna-ring-with-gps-holder
And this one for the base
www.thingiverse.com/thing:5532262
Super cool @@463n7! Thanks for sharing!
Is wigle a good option for bludriving, or do you suggest another piece of software? Regards
If you mean driving for Bluetooth yes it captures it and gives some metrics on what you have seen.
Really interesting stuff! Can you make a follow up on how to best secure your home network from things like this? Are there ways to be invisible or harder to find to war drivers.
Defiantly a video I would like to make. Have a lot more to look into about it.
You can be invisible (not all the way), you can make it harder to be found but not impossible. You have to be more specific when you say "how to best secure your home network from things like this". This tool only catalogs what it found, other tools are used to attack your network.
use a vpn
@@gickygackers you are incorrect. A VPN has nothing to do with this. War driver with the right modules connected to it collects information on devices with Wi-Fi, Bluetooth and GSM (cell phone) antennas that are broadcasting. You can collect information such as MAC address, SSID or device name, latitude and longitude gps coordinates and altitude among other things. A vpn works by having your device connect to another device/network before reaching out to the internet. (Which will not help you if the person attempting to gain access to you knows how to exploit other services running on your PC to get the information needed to find your actual IP.. like if you have iTunes on your PC and they access the traffic being passed and analyze it getting your info by a flaw in iTunes.)
@@darklogic1604 lol that's the joke. There IS no way to be immune to war driving, unless you live in a Faraday cage.
Just curious, why do you use Windows on your laptop or desktop rather than Linux?
Just always have this particular laptop is my gameing laptop that's stays on my desktop. I have another now that I carry with my running Linux
Hi, I'm new to the area. I use marauder on my M5StickCPlus2 to do Wardrivig. What can I do with the collected data?
Join the #wardriving team on Wigle.net and help us overtake all lol
If you exclude he fun of a building project, what dos this device do that i cant do through wigle on my phone please?
When I wardrive I run both my phone and this. The wardriver will typically add around 10% more found points.
@@463n7 I will have to purchase one.
+1 thanks for interessting topic m8
Any time!
what about one big antenna with LNA and connecting it to 16units
Definitely possible little outside my current wheelhouse but something to be explored for sure.
Gonna go wardrive Compton
Sick i wardrive dtla to.culver.city k.town silvetlake an east la on the reg!
Found you on X. Subscribed
Thanks for the sub!
This “hobby” has got to be the most phoned in way I’ve ever seen to get people to collect sigint/ spy on each other.
You’d think it would need to be something more than a simple ranking system to get folks to buy / build sensor platforms and drive them all over the country to collect data on each other but apparently not.
As bad as Niantec getting folks to "pay" to gather photo Intel of real world interiors via the Pokemon GO freakshow fad
I am very excited you made a yt channel! I just started getting into the whole tech thing recently
Thanks I really need to get more videos made
Link the site where we can buy some of these things
I have linked many of the most are built from scratch not purchased
Very cool
So is wardriving considered like a type of SIGINT?
Yes I guess it could be.
So Pokemon Go, but with WiFi networks?
Exactly!
How can i build the device to start war driving?
So I have a video on getting started with just an android phone: czcams.com/video/emH84BqR3RU/video.html
OR
If you want to build a wardriver you can order a kit here in the product description there is info on how to build it. 463n7.io/product-category/wardriver/
Great
Where can I buy them?
Buy what mentioned many things?
When AI starts world domination and realizes who helped, those ones will get saved hahaha
🤣
When war driving can you get ip address and level of security or wifi?
you can get MAC adresses and what security protocol is being used
@@463n7 do you need a wifi or LTE connection to scan? And do you need to be in range to hack the wifi or can u do it remotely?
K besides ranking high on wiggle. Why?
That and the enjoyment I get out of building the hardware for it is my main reason. Also if you join #wardriving on wigle you get to be added to a pretty large group chat and network a bit
can you give us the link of wiggle please
Wigle.net
@@463n7 thanks
Watching this makes me feel like Lucius in "The Dark Knight" when he looks at what Bruce did and says, "This is.. WRONG. I'll do as you ask Mr Wayne, but consider this my resignation."
dont get it.. u find wifi networks but there pasword protected what is the usage for?
It stores the handshakes into PCAP files that you can later use to determine the passwords, if you know how.
Most wardriving devices do not store the hand shake. this is more for a competition and fun to build devices.. in other comments i have talked about some of the uses of the data.
He answered "What" is Wardriving...
and did you one better; "Where" is Wardriving ...
Drax wants to do YOU one better; *WHY* is Wardriving? (No. Seriously. That's an honest question from me that I'm finding difficulty with regarding it's usefulness to 'everyday' - people/techies/etc., hell, even skids - beyond it somehow being some type of a compulsive behavior)
For me specifically it's building and coming up with specialized hardware. For some it's just seeing the numbers go up in how many AP's they have collected, It is like Pokemon go but for techies. Another draw is the community and competition there are multiple groups that have different chats and discord servers for their members. The data gathered can be used for different research and even some OSINT check out some of my other wardriving videos.
@@463n7 well, it's odd that there has yet to be a solid answer to the "Why"; after many interactions, with a few dozen "Wardriver Enthusiasts", not one has ver been able to relay a useful purpose beyond the 'hobbyist' level things you have listed above. The "Why" question always causes a short circuit, reboot, 'crash to dash', 'loading... 🤔' response, and perhaps those folks feel that they *need* to give what they believe is a correct answer, they most often revert to the "What", and the "How" without even noticing that they never answered the "Why". To be clear, the question is not intended to elicit one's 'personal' reasons. The question of "Why", is the same question that is on almost every average surface e dweller's mind: "To what end?", "What further use is gained? Be it for an individual, or for the collective consciousness of humanity within our current coordinates of time-space. The obsessed, compulsory gathering and mapping out of all of this public information has always appeared to be a 'means to an end' of some sort. Thus I'll again iterate the phrase: "To what end?". I really hope that you might be the very first one to surprise me with an answer that can be chewed on and be a catalyst for rumination, and yet after years of asking this very same question any time that I've happened to stumble into the wrong room again and proportionately steadied my feet for the purpose of asking 'why?', the answer is rarely varied in any way beyond subjective personal reasons, or the hobby of staying abreast of the 'related' hardware (and as everything does, the 'hardware' improves) allowing Wardrivers to Wardrive like nobody has ever Wardriven before!.. until the next upgrade.. whence it begins anew.. and when the dust temporarily settles between the large leaps of tech, still, none are able to give a *proper* answer. I've long ago lost the last vestiges of what little concern I ever had regarding the answer, once I realized there is no answer; not one solitary shred of evidence leading toward any higher purpose yet to be acquired for vacuuming up feral ap/SSID's out in the wilds. No digestible reason is ever conveyed.
Not. A. Single. One.
I just gave you my whys and a few extra whys just because they are at a hobby level dosnt make them wrong.. you are asking a different question then just why... Seams you are more curious as to what the data can be used for? Which is another open ended question there are many things it can be used for. I did a video of using it as a way to track a location, as I already mentioned it can be used for research ie seeing the saturation of 2.4ghz vs 5ghz spectrums. It can be used to help determine the wifi spectrum density of an area. It can be used to determine the security protocols most being used. For bad actors it's a way to find weak AP's that can be exploited. It's can be used to find free/open wifi. There are many companies that use the data I don't know their specific reasons you'll have to find and ask them. It's just a hobby to me
@@463n7 Hey! Thank you for understanding what I was getting at with all my rambling. I've only ever heard the 'hobbyist' "Why's" and no matter what way I asked, or whom I asked, my Why was only ever answered as if I was asking "Why do 'you' do this?" rather than what the more general purpose(s) could entail. You are the very first person who has ever postulated an answer that provided something meaningful to 'me', on my end of it.
I think I owe somewhat of an apology to you, as I believe that my comment likely carried a tone of disdain etc., To an extent, I took all of the frustrations I've had about this with other people and vomited all of it up on you alone. I'm sorry for being that brash, and yet you still spent your personal time to explain some new facets to me that I had been unaware of. That means a lot to me. Thank you for sharing these extra details with me. May you be ever able to have the means for the continued enjoyment of this hobby/interest of yours. Take care, ✌️
eta - and I can absolutely understand the aspect of locating dense areas containing weak/vulnerable ap etc.,
So many people still haven't even bothered with 2FA (which, even though it won't stop a 'pro'), it's at least a bit like having a steering wheel lock on your car - wherein a bad actor would rather find a nice old gen 1 WAP for easier shellcracks and WIN exfil data like the sad little skid they are these days 😁 Sooo many people don't even consider how far an inexpensive new router alone would help their security as they often have become too cozy saying "well... It's worked fine for all these years... Why bother changing it now?" - Future Victim.
Glad I was able to further answer your question. It's all good I can understand the frustration I have run into similar things in the past.
Who's number one? Is it the Google car or NSA
Its a combination of all the users who upload Anonymously.
I still don't get what the point of this is after watching this entire video.
There is one comment thread here that I think goes better into describing it. If I can find it again I'll tag you in it
@@463n7 Aww, thanks for remembering; I'm touched! 😁 Very grateful to you for taking your time and displaying patience in dealing with my slights of frustration on the whole "What's the point! Beyond hobbycraft" question I had always had. Though Wardriving is not (yet) personally my Cup o' Tea, I do now understand far more and realize that it certainly has a place in the real world for the reasons you mentioned (and even others I had discovered when diving deeper after our interaction). The practice which you and many others are engaged in when mapping (and monitoring changes in tech to a greater extent), I have learned is, 'behind the scenes', performing a series of tasks and exposing industry trends long before they're presented to the general public in acceptable mass quantities. Even outside of Wardriving, the ingenuity of implementing and combining various tech fields and hardware alone is proving to be a necessary service for which most of your fellows are not receiving, nor seeking, credit from the industry anywhere beyond the close communities which have been founded. Much of the methodology here honestly takes me back to the old days of experimentation of cross-tech applications to push the things available within present market intentions, toward crafting new and unexpected results in hardware and utility etc.,
Keep on keepin on ✌️
Do you get paid for ranking up on that list?
No just for fun... currently we are about to start a World Wide WarDrive competition. no prizes just internet points
cool stuff, public network is public..
Wait til the peoples Mac addresses appear
Why do this? Is it just fun? Do you make money? Or able to hack?
Mainly just fun. We do competitions against each other. It's also a way to know just what type of wifi are being used.
Sup
you explained it well but im absolutely not a fan
actually kinda hate that this exists
I cannot see a single positive thing that could be done with this kind of information
I assume you guys maintain some sort of plausible deniability, staying at least an arms length away from the sites hosting the data, to the point where proving negligence and connecting this data to any one person would be hard in case something bad was to come of it
this seems like some legal gray area to me
and I don't think the EULA shouting in full caps that the data is not to be used for illegal activity changes anything about that
also gonna say I went to the site and had it tell me I'd reached my daily limit before I was even able to scroll over to Europe, so that's great
but w/e
you explained it well, that was the point of the video, well done
AI is just going to end up using the info against us somehow.
Only google is allowed to do this 😡
But would they do it when they can pretend it’s a cool hobby and then truck other people into doing it for them.
Very Cool Stuff, by the way, the Electronic Communications Privacy Act (ECPA) prohibits interception of electronic communications without consent or a lawful warrant.
Correct. Wardriving does not intercept any traffic. It is no different than opening your phone's wifi writing down what ssid's you see then going over to your GPS and writing down the coordinates.
Pls gimme bro lks
So literally you are being a cyberslave yet to give corporations private information about WIFI.
Sure if you say so.
WhatNo is the value of this effort? Invasive? Privacy concerns? R U law enforcement? Criminal? ID theft? Why do this? Genuinely interested. ..
Well put. Wardriving it's self doesn't collect anything to even start cracking. To start cracking I would have to capture handshakes after deauthing devices. Then take those handshakes into another program to crack the hash revealing the password.
Thx for replies. I'm a ham radio op who's used digital packet, APRS, ... and it all came in handy as an emergency communicator during 9/11 in Pa. Understand geotracking as a hobby. 2B fair, i need to research bit more to justify. Then again, surv overflights cause greater concern for our privacy. Or what's left of it.
This project has been gamified, meaning there are rankings. The value is big data. Application has your phone manufacturer, carrier, aps, tower, etc. The file can be parsed for cell tower information for example. Then I can take that information and send it to the carrier to show them where I was when LOS occurred and I lost the call. I can go on, but I'm pretty sure that you could figure out other ways that brings value to you.
Invasive as in breaking into your house in the middle of the night? If I am walking around your neighborhood cataloging all the houses, is that invasive? Your house is on a public street so you can assume that you have privacy? Go outside naked, see when the cops arrive what they tell you. Be private inside. There is no guarantee of privacy is you are yelling out your window and I just happen to be on the street in front of your house. Thats what your router/ap/whatever does.
Don't have to be law enforcement to wardrive, they wouldn't understand it anyway. It is NOT illegal to stand outside and listen to people yelling with open windows. Essentially, this is what a rudimentary explanation. Something I would tell a cops, if he caught me.
Criminal? As in siphoning money out of your account? You don't understand wardriving.
ID theft? How secure is your mailbox outside your house? I can get more information from taking your mail than wardriving. Google "butt set", I can walk down the the green box outside your house or building, open it up find the pairs that are associated with your home and listen in on your conversations. IF you have a house phone, in 2023?? To listen to your cell phone much harder. In most cases, not worth the effort or time.
Why do this? I've been working in telecom/wireless for 25 years. I'm bored and this is a cool project, I don't let them use or sell my data, and I get to play with hardware/software that is new to me. I'm learning new skills, making acquaintances thru the project and getting help in areas that are new to me.
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Thanks!