Shinko E804/805 Adventure Tyre Review - Brake Magazine
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- čas přidán 25. 08. 2024
- A set of tyres, ridden 'till we understood every inch of them.
Thanks to Compass Expeditions for the bike. Thanks to #Australia for being so awesome to ride in.
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...before embarking on my 2017 summer ADV ride of nearly 8,000 miles I equipped my R1200GS with a set of Shinko 804/805, shocked at the low cost! I installed Ride-On tire sealant in each tire to Ride-On factory recommendation for ADV riding as extra element of protection against puncture but also to ensure really perfect tire balance (this proved to very important BTW). The tires really were smooth on the highway, the rubber heating up nicely and showing themselves surprisingly sticky and neutral handling. Having said that there was a limit to their adhesion and they gave ample notice that they were at that limit allowing time to adjust... Two big negatives are the tire is only rated for 99mph (roughly 159kph) and when worn and cupping in the front, it is quite wearing to ride on the road - vibration and noise... There were times where I clicked 110mph passing a particularly annoying senior citizen who was rather insistent on NOT letting me pass - in the middle of bloody Nowhere no less... I felt a bit nervous for a few moments, imagining my entrails hanging from the speed limit sign for all to admire... The tires held just fine! At one point I was even two up with very fuill paniers, huge top case and with camping gear, topping close to 1,000 pounds (around 453kg) - moving along at 70mph, the tires performed perfectly... On this same adventure I also did nearly 500miles of fast fire road, logging road and BLM access roads and I was SO hugely glad I had equipped these as my previous, less off-roadee Pirelli's would have ended me in places the Shinko's shined! Without doubt, the best value in serious off road feet for the R1200GS! Thanks for sharing!
I've used the 705s for over 50,000 miles and now have put 10,000 on the 804/5 combo on my Tiger 800. They handle pavement as good as the 705s and way better off road. Less than half the price of other tires. I'm averaging 5k miles on rear and 10k on front with 60/40 riding. Don't let other GS guys see you these tires...they always call mine STINKO's and poopoo them because they don't cost enough.
Don't listen to them. Although, pretty creative name! We're fans. They aren't the best, but they're pretty damn good.
I think more people are using them due to the cost to benefit equation. I will use them as long as I can get them or can still ride. If others want to pay 100%+ more for tires, more power to them...
Mark: yeah, that's me too, I do IT work for the local BMW shop and always get ribbed about my use of Shinkos 804/805 and currently 705 - oddly, I think the 805 outlasts the 705, not sure why that is but I can push the 705 harder on the tarmac and also to higher speeds (804/805 only rated to 99mph)... I recently tried a generic version of the 705 called the "Full Bore M40" which is, I found, is exactly the same in every way to the 705 and in fact is a 705 with different branding... Did I save face? No, they still ribbed me for putting ""stinkos" on... Ugh... that said, I also get ribbed for wearing MX boots for ADV rides, wearing ADV helmet on street rides and so on... in the end, I've little care what others think but decent cred in my local circles is marginally important if I want to regularly be invited on rides...
@@LookattheBiggerPic I ride an old(2007) r1200gs and I run cheap tires(usually Shinko 705 or equivalent). I still run circles around guys with much newer bikes and with expensive rubber. As long as there is no mud involved lol. The 705 tires are horrible in mud, and passable at best on wet pavement. Everywhere else, they are great.
Love my Shinko 805/804s. I am about to buy my second set (for $150 less than Anakee Wilds).
Currently running the shinko. I have around 2k mi on them. They seem to be doing fine, more asphalt riding with occasional gravel roads. Definitely buying another set.
Triumph Tiger 800 , 2013
Got 9000 km on the Shinko on my DR and It is by far the best tire I used.
This review reflect how I feel about this tire almost exactly.
Has to expected because of the pattern it is a bit easier to slide side ways on the gravel then other tires but it is very controllable. At 9000 km now and I probably have another 2000 km left.
I am a fairly aggressive rider.
Have you dealt with angled mud surfaces? Those are the bane of my existence with my current tires and that block pattern like you said lacks sideways grip.
I sport a SHINKO 804 (f) and a MOTOZ TRACTIONATOR ADVENTURE (r) after trying several combos to *fit* as close as can be to 50/50 style while trying to achieve minimal feeling of compromise and I think this is so far one of the best combos I've discovered.
I highly recommend trying this combination.
Excellent review. Very articulate. This review brought stuff to my attention that I would not even think to ask. I suspected these tires were a good buy, but now I'm convinced enough to pull the trigger and make a purchase. Shinko should thank you.
mrmeach1967 lol. My comment mirrors yours almost exactly :) thumbs up
The single complaint I’ve heard about with these tires only applies IF you plan to do frequent mud. -With the wide horizontal grooves which make great paddles in sand, they tend to squirm side to side quite a lot in mud. There is no staggered offset to the blocks to aide to straight-line stability. If you hardly see mud these have to be some of the best options and a very strong value.
Informative, honest review. Appreciate you being aware of the budget-conscious riders out here.
For the cost of 1 rear TKC80 I can outfit my Strom with a set of SHINKOs. Michelin can keep their tires.
Michelin don't make the TKC80...?
@@HardwareG33k A commenter below states the CONTINENTAL TKC80 is made in Korea by Shinko anyway.
@@patkennedy1 well it isn't
No other tires get as consistently positive reviews. I rode my 2012 R1200 GSA to Alaska from Utah doing 8000 miles. Started on new Karoos doing 70% road riding (top of the world highway is chip seal and dirt..) 5000 miles later the rear was toast, with a center bald spot, and changed it to a Shinko at Yamaha in White Horse Yukon. I've now got almost 5700 miles in the Shinko 805 with room to go until the wear strip. The front I should have changed out in Prince George BC. With about 5500 miles sever cupping started to appear. I did the rest of the trip home on them.. 8000 miles total.. but they were loud and chattering the bars like crazy ( unless you did 69 or 80mph.. sweet spots). The front I have 2500 miles on and the wear is minimal. They are good or better in any condition than the Karoos. They grip, they grab, they last. BTW Shinko is really Yokohama.. check out the history.
Ekon Rekon I'm in Utah as well! Let's ride! Find me on fbook Utah adventure riders- beauxellis :)
Thanks for the great commentary. I think I’m going Shinko for my klr650. Seems like it’s a more than competent tire and shines at the price point. Thanks!!
Awesome, and very informative video. Loved the drone shots, 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👊🏻✊🏻
+SCORPASRULE thanks dude 😁
FYI...Continental TKC80 is made in Korea by Shinko to Continental’s specs. Shinko designed the 804/805 to be slightly better hence the better wear factor & as good or better performance. Look on TKC sidewall & you’ll see “made in Korea”. Trace the DOT number to Shinko factory. You can’t go wrong with the 804/805.
Rick Nelson 🤯 nice insight!
I live in North Coast BC Canada, Terrace BC. I have run on my Super Tenere, Michelin Anakee 3 (the best road tire for a big ADV (2 sets)). TCK 80 the best tire every if your a Millionaire, Michelin TCK 70, very decent. Matias 07 Dakar, Great 50/50. Sinko 705, for the price better than the Michelin TCK 70. And the last tire 805/804 best tire for the money... rode it on the KTM rally in Canada... great. Rode it in Mexico road and off road (copper canyon/ off road). It’s a great tire... one of the best. If money is no object my favourite is TCK 80 you cant beat it tough sidewalls, parallel on tracking off road great paved road..... short life span. The Shinko 805/804 are my second.... follow closely by the Mitias 07.... the Michelin Anakee 3 are a great tire too. Rode them across Canada and the Trans Labrador Hwy too... really good on hard pack gravel.
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Thanks for watching!
Have you dealt with angled mud surfaces? Those are the bane of my existence with my current tires and that block pattern looks like it gives the rear a lot of sideways leeway.
Awesome video👍
Gonna try this tyre.. thanks for the review👍
Great video - really well done and informative. Thanks!
Just fitted a set to my Himalayan in readiness for a trip from Perth to Alice Springs to watch the Finke Desert Race. Going by your review they should do the job nicely. Cheers.
We reckon they'll good. Not the best on gravel but still plenty good enough 😊
Fantastic value here. Another great option I’ve recently tried are Motoz, adventure tires. I’d be interested to hear an opinion on these, which area bit more expensive.
Great review! Very thorough!
Nice review. I have been running the 804/805 combo on several of my bikes.
Yet to try the 805s, but I love the 705s from Shinko.
Currently using the TKC80 on my CBX. I already plan on switching to the Shinko because every review I've seen, including this one, says it has great performance for the price. The TKC80 has been great, but the Shinko will make the wallet hurt a lot less!
+Attila-Giovanni Gabor It depends on what your doing, but the Shinko price is hard to argue with.
How do you like the CBX?
Brake Magazine most of my riding is around town on paved roads, but the times that I do take it off road, I'm having to deal with sand or mud. So despite these tires being horribly underutilized, I'm having to buy them for the worst mile that I might encounter. Though I wouldn't mind a recommendation for a good 50/50 tire with better longevity.
I have the Rally Raid L2 kit on my CBX and it's been great for everything I've thrown at it. Sandy trails, packed dirt, and interstate highway speeds. The 4.6 gallon tank and great fuel economy give it very nice range. I've gotten 65mpg just lazily riding along the ocean coast and 42mpg cruising on the interstate at 85-95 mph. All that makes for a great mid-weight adventure bike at a fraction of the cost and weight of the big ADV bikes.
There has never been a review of a tire where I haven’t gotten approximately half or less of the claimed mileage. I’m on the Anakee Adventure on an R1250 GSA. I got 4K front and rearand everyone claimed 8-9k. I had an Anakee Wild’s and everyone claimed 4K rear and 5-to front, I got just over 2k rear and 3k front. Just bought the Shinto’s and I’m expecting 2k. I never ever ever have gotten more than 3500 miles out of a tire or a supersport, ADV, or sports tourer. I think you guys just make this shit up. Guaranteed I’ll be at tread depth gauge amber on the rear at 2-2.5k rear for this tire. I can’t be alone here. I ride hard on-road, and much easier off-road because I’m less skilled, but I still tackle some tough terrain and like to powerslide a bit.
Does it make sense in 2024? Are they still the good choice to go with?
I need a tire for gravel, tarmac and rain. Do the Shinko meet those conditions?
Yeah, we reckon so.
Any chance of doing a review of the continental TKC70s and Anakee Wild please?
I liked this one, never considered these before.
Thanks
Gordon Blackley
+Gordon Blackley We will be in the future 😁
Also interested in a review of the TKC70s. Would be keen to hear your thoughts in comparing them to the Shinkos 804/805s as it sounds like the shinkos are a decent road tyre. I'm hoping they might be a half way point between TKC70 & 80 maybe?? I know that's not how they are marketed because Shinko have their 705 series but from this review it seems you were very impressed by their on road performance..... I've found with cheap car tyres that their dry grip and comfort is impressive but shocking to dangerous on wet roads but it sounds like these Shinkos are the real deal quality wise.
Shinko looks like a good tyre, I use a shinko hook up on my drag bike so the brand isn't new to me.
Have you tried a mitas co2? Great off road (esp in the mud) wear rate and feel is supprisingly good for such an aggressive tyre! Use them all the time on my 660
I have had shinko tyres have a catastrophic failure on an xj750 but were fine on a z440 .
Great review! 👍
Great review! Very Well articulated. Really helped me hone in an understanding to make an educated decision.
My local BMW shop recommends against shinkos. But the reviews I've been seeing online suggest otherwise. The shop claims they have seen "delamination" so "Stay away from them", but bottom line, for the price savings, I'm gonna justify going ahead and ordering that tinted windscreen I've been wanting ;)
I say, if shinko can do it at this economical level and it is a sound, safe well performing, well wearing tire...then the other tire companies need to get their heads out their asses and get off their high horses and start competing! Why pay more?!
Furthermore, I'm tempted to go 804 front and 705 rear. Get better wear in rear and more stability off road in front. won't see any mud at all, maybe some sand at some point but not extensively AT ALL.
Any thoughts out there or experience with this setup?
(R1200gsa oil '13 triple black)
I'm considering the same on an 88 Honda nx250
Trying to decide between the 705 & the 805. I ride tarmac more than dirt but I want confidence when I am in the dirt. Thoughts? Also, if I were going to spend another $100-$150 which would be your top tire? Excellent video! Thank you Oh, and by the way... I have a 2019 1250GSA...
Awesome video. Quick question.. What air pressure were you running in the Shinkos?
Rami Halawani ... great tyres for road work i run no higher than 36 pounds front and back
These are my go to 50/50 tires. Both on my Triumph Scrambler and Africa Twin. I even prefer them over the TKC80 that melt like butter and vibrate more than the Shinkos. Yes the Shinkos are way cheaper (you get a set for the price of a rear K60Scout), but they are also better in my opinion.
Shink 804 f and 805 rear, they r tube type. Anyone try to put on tubeles velg?
Just a friendly *audio* heads-up:
speech is low and uncompressed(still has distorted peaks from the loud jumps in your voice) while music is VERY loud so one has to gain-ride on the volume knobs in order to hear the quieter words of your sentences well enough while still being ready to quickly lower the volume as the music comes back in with a *BURST* as if it was a commercial after a non-commercial, chill & simple vlog. Just so you know.
- an MC addict and a practical sound engineer.
I am wondering how the tire is on the road in wet conditions. I am on the fence in regards to purchasing a set...
It's was good for the style of tyre, but please don't expect Pilot Road 4 levels of grip.
Brake Magazine would you say the grip is as good as TKC80‘s? I have them on my 2004 F650GS and they stick like sh.. on the tarmac but don’t last long.
Like the style :)
Thanks Peter!
Love the videos. At the end of your video, you say there are better tires out there, but more expensive. If budget wasn't a consideration, which tires would you go for for a long adventure trip? Thanks.
Mo Saito Thanks for watching!
That's a great question and depends on the distance and the bike. If distance was a concern but I still wanted good grip and medium distance I'd be looking toward a Michelin Anakee Wild and if I wanted maximal mileage and good performance a Mitas E09 or E10 in the Dakar compound I think.
Llel Pavey
Great review. I love these tires on my 08 KLR650. Looking for a tire for my 16 Yamaha Super Tenere. Plan on doing more dirt on it. Not sure if the 804 and 805 would be a good choice for this much is a much bigger and heavier bike.
Every bike responds differently to different tyres. On the Tenere, our hunch is that it will be okay.
It's not a painfully expensive mistake at least!
Never tried them. But i surly will!!! Currently running Heidenau K-60 Scout on my XT660ZA. It´s my first bike so i can't compare it to anything, so reviews on the tube is of high value to me. Thanks!
Hi. Can someone give me references on how they behave on the road with water ?. regards
Can you get the shinko's in the uk at all?. If not what's the easiest way to acquire a set?. Thanks Llewelyn. 😎
+SCORPASRULE Thats a great question. They seem really hard to find here at the moment.
At the moment maybe ordering from Revzilla in the USA but I'd expect that to be more expensive than buying something similar here.
I'm finding it difficult to take a man with such a haircut seriously, but I'll hang tough.
My thoughts exactly.
I rode the Alaska hwy on Michelin Aneke wilds and found crossing steel grated bridge surfaces scary as hell. I'd like to try the Shinko 804 & 805's, but again I'd worry about the steel bridge surfaces. Could this be resolved with tyre pressure changes?
In short Dave, no. Steel an rubber are a poor combo. Unfortunately bridges, cattle grids and the like are slippery as hell and should be taken really slowly. Keep the bike upright and respect the lack of grip.
Thanks for watching.
Editor - Llel
Metal is scary, but doable.
I don't like the "music", I had to keep muting it - but the rest of the video was worth it.
Would be good to do some of the review "in the field" too, as opposed to after the fact.
Yes Iv used them great for the sealed roads , Ok on unsealed gravel, Sand and even the wet stuff, but the 2 biggest flaws is 1. no side traction ( can lose front end easy for off road riding , and rear all over the place ) & 2. will only get around 5000kms max rear and around 6000kms front.
That is a BAD HAIRCUT
Very helpful video. Such a pity you rode wearing a helmet, I couldn’t take my eyes off your hair.
+Ronan Rogers We'll take that as compliment 😂
Crap music
Horrible music