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  • čas přidán 2. 04. 2024
  • Forget everything you know about an exploding world population.
    The sad truth is, our birthrate is plummeting globally to the point where there soon won't be enough young workers to take care of the aging population.
    What happens then? Can you financially incentivise people to have kids? Should we be thinking harder about immigration?
    And why does this subject - and its pronatalist rhetoric - so often become the domaine of the authoritarian right?
    We'll hear from Elon, Jordan and Jacob - about why we should all be having more babies.
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Komentáře • 916

  • @localshaman
    @localshaman Před 2 měsíci +468

    Young people can't afford their rent, how TF we meant to afford kids?

    • @tabbymoonshine5986
      @tabbymoonshine5986 Před 2 měsíci +17

      This

    • @jakel8627
      @jakel8627 Před 2 měsíci +5

      Child benefit pays for rent. My mum never worked. So have mum claim child benefit and a get a free house, then have dad earn £20-40k per year.
      There, now you're able to afford kids.

    • @aethellstan
      @aethellstan Před 2 měsíci

      @@jakel8627 child benefit in no way pays for rent. who renting privately can pay their rent just from this.

    • @123bwlch
      @123bwlch Před 2 měsíci +50

      @@jakel8627 People want a better life and have kids. People do not want to struggle and have kids.

    • @TheLightningeater
      @TheLightningeater Před měsícem +37

      ​@@jakel8627Most people don't plan to raise children in poverty

  • @Typhin
    @Typhin Před 2 měsíci +271

    Why bring a child into this world only to be exploited for their labour by wealthy prics

    • @dorothyb.
      @dorothyb. Před 2 měsíci +3

      I guess that’s the fundamentals of capitalism to which communism is the alternative. Both regimes beautiful til they fail and deeply flawed sadly

    • @deanlowdon8381
      @deanlowdon8381 Před 2 měsíci +23

      @@dorothyb. There is a huge middle ground between pure capitalism and communism!

    • @ZZ-ek7mx
      @ZZ-ek7mx Před měsícem +8

      By ensuring you educate your kids to become those wealthy ‘nice people’ and yes, many of them are nice, and smart, and generous and contribute a great deal via their positive, innovative and risk taking nature. Oh, and many of them have made it up from the very bottom as well.

    • @deanlowdon8381
      @deanlowdon8381 Před měsícem +18

      @@ZZ-ek7mx That’s sounds like the ‘American Dream’ the rich and powerful have managed to sell to those with none…

    • @annaclarke7643
      @annaclarke7643 Před měsícem

      For effing sake. It will be women who will bear the burden of this population growth. Men twitter on but honestly how many men want children.

  • @underthesequins7589
    @underthesequins7589 Před 2 měsíci +310

    Is population decline the problem, or is the economic system that assumes and requires impossible never-ending growth the problem? The system itself is delusional.

    • @deanlowdon8381
      @deanlowdon8381 Před 2 měsíci

      Agreed, a system that relies on increasingly high birth rates is clearly flawed!

    • @liamcragin
      @liamcragin Před 2 měsíci +16

      It’s not about growth - it’s about decline. If you have essentially an upside down pyramid where there are more retired people than there are to pay for them, and not enough of a tax base to pay for the welfare state, you are looking at an unsustainable situation.

    • @hobbabobba7912
      @hobbabobba7912 Před měsícem +3

      It is population decline. Next question.

    • @archie7218
      @archie7218 Před měsícem +3

      You either have to have growth or decline. Its practically impossible to have neither because its a virtuous cycle, growth leads to more growth; decline leads to further decline. If you could somehow just maintain at 0% growth forever that would be fine.

    • @Nitzpitz
      @Nitzpitz Před měsícem +9

      The decline of population will mean much more than economic decline. It is social decline too, as facilities dwindle and people have less options

  • @RipMinner
    @RipMinner Před měsícem +78

    Built a society were having kids is punished and then surprised that no one is having kids.

  • @user-ly9wr8wj5s
    @user-ly9wr8wj5s Před měsícem +106

    If rich people hate it, it's a great thing.

    • @peopleofearth6250
      @peopleofearth6250 Před měsícem +2

      They don't hate it. They love it.

    • @gergelycsuros2051
      @gergelycsuros2051 Před 14 dny

      I have seen this kind of comment before. What if, they hate it, because it can be so bad, that even w lot of money, even they wont be able to dodge the catastrophic effects.

    • @brandonboi9465
      @brandonboi9465 Před 13 dny

      Only a small group of rich people are warning against this. The rest are encouraging it since they'll be able to obtain even more wealth and power because their competitors won't be able to survive.

  • @rockallmusic
    @rockallmusic Před 2 měsíci +292

    Rich people: Have more children!!!
    Millennials/Zoomers: Let us buy a flat on a median salary so we have the stability to raise children
    Rich people: Hmmmmm... no

    • @stewartellinson8846
      @stewartellinson8846 Před 2 měsíci +9

      maybe, in the UK, the idea of stable social renting disappearing is a huge problem

    • @rockallmusic
      @rockallmusic Před 2 měsíci +27

      @@stewartellinson8846 My landlord's selling up this month (short notice) so I'm having to move to a property with a +33% rent increase and yearly rent rises of a minimum of the UK CPI rate written into the contract. There's no way I'd be able to work full time, raise children, and flat hunt every couple of years against short time pressures - especially with years of public sector pay freeze.

    • @deanlowdon8381
      @deanlowdon8381 Před 2 měsíci +10

      @@stewartellinson8846 Renting is never going to be a long term solution. What happens when you reach retirement age and your pension isn’t sufficient to live off?

    • @stewartellinson8846
      @stewartellinson8846 Před 2 měsíci +6

      ​@@deanlowdon8381social renting is. Also, we need rent controls as many countries have and as we had before the 1980s

    • @rathelmmc3194
      @rathelmmc3194 Před měsícem

      Most western democracies have sold out their own citizens by allowing foreign money laundering through their real estate markets. Foreign ownership in the single family home space should be illegal everywhere. There should also be pretty heavy restrictions on any rental investment into the single family space as far as I'm concerned. When you look at birth rates, families who live in single family homes are above replacement rate while people in multi-family dwellings are below replacement rate (this I believe is true in the US not for certain with Europe).

  • @jamienewstart1756
    @jamienewstart1756 Před měsícem +73

    Cost of living, no disposable income, war, poverty, technology, dating apps, jobs and careers, all playing their part 😮

  • @davidking9222
    @davidking9222 Před měsícem +43

    Of course Billionaires want people to have more children. Who will be their grandchidrens' work slaves.
    Why is the argument "economy" . It should be quality of life and the environment.
    The global economy is the problem. Billionaires need more money, so make cheap unhealthy food, and polute the environment to maximise profit.
    Young people are getting into £10'000s of debt to get an education, and will get the average job, that won't pay them enough to house and feed a family.

    • @Godfrey544
      @Godfrey544 Před 28 dny

      the older cadre of billionaires are the ones who campaigned for people to have LESS chilrden. The rockefellers for example.

  • @MegaDePorter
    @MegaDePorter Před měsícem +53

    Sounds to me like the wolves are wanting the sheep to have more lambs !

    • @maam-yj8ph
      @maam-yj8ph Před měsícem +3

      Apex predators are famous for becoming endangered and extinct.

    • @tricieb.5921
      @tricieb.5921 Před měsícem

      Thats sick

    • @Macheako
      @Macheako Před 23 dny

      @@maam-yj8ph uh huh, suuuurrrrrrrrreeeee
      And shamu ain’t real 🐋 😂

    • @brandonboi9465
      @brandonboi9465 Před 13 dny

      Low fertility rates will have the exact opposite affects most people assume.
      Resources become more scarce (no one to make them) housing will skyrocket in cost in the areas with few remaining jobs and collapse everywhere else (look at japan). Government programs collapse (universal Healthcare becomes a pipe dream) the rich become even more wealthy and powerful since their competition is dying out. Less opportunities for career development (who will you manage?). And the percentage of elderly will just keep growing generation after generation, creating a viscous cycle.

  • @kb4903
    @kb4903 Před 2 měsíci +132

    Governments more
    Interested in looking after old voters rather than young people who can’t afford a family and house but are expected to pay for older social care.

    • @aethellstan
      @aethellstan Před 2 měsíci +12

      that's democracy for you. most people are selfish and want what they want. we have a system that pays out money no matter what. for example ex-pats in spain where it's warmer and drier expect to receive the cold weather payments we pay pensioners when the temperature gets below a threshold for a few days. and when asked what they will spend it on, it's golf or meals out etc. when asked why they should get it they complain about people wanting to remove it from them because it's "their right" to have it.

    • @sookibeulah9331
      @sookibeulah9331 Před měsícem +1

      Governments look after the voters who vote them into office far more than they do those who don’t vote.

    • @TheRealMcCoyAndChipsAhoy
      @TheRealMcCoyAndChipsAhoy Před 29 dny

      @@sookibeulah9331 Do they really? lol

    • @sookibeulah9331
      @sookibeulah9331 Před 29 dny

      @@TheRealMcCoyAndChipsAhoy it’s all relative.
      Just because governments look after voters who vote for them far more than those who don’t vote doesn’t mean they look after their voters well. It just means they look after them far more than not at all - which needn’t be very much. lol

  • @waynerileyart
    @waynerileyart Před měsícem +69

    Rich people panicking because they're running out of young people to exploit and the young people that they do have are not interested in exploiting other nation's to survive because they'd rather treat other people like humans because after years of actually learning about each others differences.
    Its a beautiful thing.

    • @Cauldron6
      @Cauldron6 Před měsícem +3

      You said all that needs to be said!

    • @aldunlop4622
      @aldunlop4622 Před měsícem +2

      Well, that's not the issue, it's about the bigger issue of the survival of humans, but feel free to believe the usual Gen Z script.

    • @Lucubration2
      @Lucubration2 Před měsícem +6

      ​@@aldunlop4622 We survived with populations of mere 1000s at times in history. We'll survive this population decline.

    • @jamesjarrett52
      @jamesjarrett52 Před měsícem

      You were right until you started on about young people not wanting to exploit other people.

    • @waynerileyart
      @waynerileyart Před měsícem

      @jamesjarrett52 I'm right period most young people don't have the capability to exploit others the way older people do and even if they do they're EASILY contested by other young people so it becomes survival of the fittest.

  • @houseofmali2659
    @houseofmali2659 Před 2 měsíci +105

    I can’t even afford to move out what makes you think I can afford to raise a human properly? If you want more babies then maybe give us an incentive

    • @tricieb.5921
      @tricieb.5921 Před měsícem +2

      Or maybe they need to have babies instead, they got the money 🤷🏿‍♀️

  • @stylebyniall
    @stylebyniall Před 2 měsíci +85

    If the world was a place you could bring children into, then the younger generations would have them, this is like the beginning of the handmaids tale the way he speaks about it

    • @Feministretribution
      @Feministretribution Před 2 měsíci +6

      And in which society actually supported parenting.

    • @ZZ-ek7mx
      @ZZ-ek7mx Před měsícem +5

      But the world IS such a place. And millions of people do bring children into it. Maybe more would if they were not scared off by negative sentiments such as yours?

    • @kaybrown7733
      @kaybrown7733 Před měsícem +7

      ​@ZZ-ek7mx A lot of those people do it for economic reasons. Few want to spend their young healthy years raising kids.

    • @rathelmmc3194
      @rathelmmc3194 Před měsícem +3

      The western world has never been safer, cleaner or more economically accommodating than any time in the past when birth rates were higher. Or do you think that during times like the Black Plague it was better?

    • @cobrakaiisback4709
      @cobrakaiisback4709 Před měsícem

      ​@@rathelmmc3194when women can file divorce or worse cheat on u get pregnant and then the kid is not yours yeah that is a problem. Ladies are not ladies anymore.

  • @lunaskies624
    @lunaskies624 Před 2 měsíci +97

    One point that wasn't brought up was that perhaps the reason more women had children in decades past was due to the social pressures imposed upon them. They had children because they felt they had no choice. Today, women as a whole have more freedom to decide to live the life they want, whether that be with or without children (economic pressures not withstanding).

    • @amyburt8451
      @amyburt8451 Před 2 měsíci +15

      Yes!!! I thought that too!

    • @deanlowdon8381
      @deanlowdon8381 Před 2 měsíci +14

      I think there is still some social pressure to have kids. I’m in my early 50’s, and even as a man I’m occasionally questioned about not having kids, and it’s certainly worse for women. I do agree than that expectation isn’t quite as strong as it used to be though.

    • @robertlocock5636
      @robertlocock5636 Před 2 měsíci +13

      Also no mention of modern contraception and family planning overall. We all know a lot of families started because they "had" to get married, though not so much these days.

    • @ZZ-ek7mx
      @ZZ-ek7mx Před měsícem +8

      The ‘emancipation’ of women was mentioned. In fact what only came in at the end in a small way was the pressure on on men and women to NOT have children early but to go out and work and build careers, thereby potentially missing the biological ticking clock. In the US feminists protested against this man sharing his research and had him cancelled from speaking at universities and venues, all because they did not like their own interpretation of his research findings.

    • @ZZ-ek7mx
      @ZZ-ek7mx Před měsícem

      @@deanlowdon8381​​⁠​⁠is that really ‘pressure’, or just curiosity?

  • @goofusmaximus1482
    @goofusmaximus1482 Před měsícem +15

    Not everyone wants children. And for those who do, if you make it prohibitively expensive to have kids, people will be discouraged from making more people.

  • @DD-rt9lc
    @DD-rt9lc Před měsícem +20

    No more cannon fodder, sweat shop workers and rich mens play things.

  • @anitakay_
    @anitakay_ Před 2 měsíci +93

    the last guest denying that wealth inequality/economic hardship doesn’t play a factor is laughable.

    • @ifiva
      @ifiva Před 2 měsíci +7

      Love that Emily challenged him on it when every single example played from his own documentary proved him wrong

    • @apedanger
      @apedanger Před 2 měsíci +1

      bad guest speaker

    • @ZZ-ek7mx
      @ZZ-ek7mx Před měsícem +10

      You must be suffering from, ‘ hear what you want to hear syndrome’? The guest is backed up by the statistical facts.

    • @dans864
      @dans864 Před měsícem

      Wealth inequality has nothing to do with it the poorest countries in the world have more kids it has to do with religiosity and a culture that wants to have kids I no longer value the opinions who want to use this as a method to input communism and Marxism into society fortunately my kids will inherit the earth and you and your ideas will cease to exist

    • @MrXaphus
      @MrXaphus Před měsícem +12

      You should re-watch the video, he didn't say that at all. He said finances are a factor but its more of a post-rationalization to say that - the biggest factor that is driving this delayed parenthood phenomenon is not prioritizing finding the right partner in your twenties, because when that right partner is met the desire to start a family increases and more often than not the couple finds a way to make it happen (even with the ever-present financial pressures).

  • @Tompiano999
    @Tompiano999 Před 2 měsíci +77

    I don't want children. As a single male I like my freedom and live mortgage free at 37. I've got my piano that's all I need.

    • @Shikuesi
      @Shikuesi Před měsícem +1

      Not scalable.

    • @pauldickson3455
      @pauldickson3455 Před měsícem

      It's more the women wombs that matter.

    • @SirHargreeves
      @SirHargreeves Před měsícem +7

      Genetic dead end.

    • @Jonnyicey
      @Jonnyicey Před měsícem +7

      "the bloodline ends with me" 😂

    • @beaulieuc8910
      @beaulieuc8910 Před měsícem +16

      as a woman who is childfree, i love being free too. I don't want to make a baby, breastfeed, do diapers, deal with them if they are school shooters, no thanks.

  • @trydowave
    @trydowave Před měsícem +14

    Lets see... here in UK. Rents and mortgages are ridiculous. No housing security. No job security. The world is teetering on the edge of ecological disaster, ww3 and a possible nuclear holocaust. Hmm.. I can't imagine why people aren't having kids?

    • @niqjaw5009
      @niqjaw5009 Před měsícem

      Exactly. Unbelievably people still are buying into this theory of perpetual procreation - nothing more than a toxic Ponzi scheme.

  • @nickyd922
    @nickyd922 Před 2 měsíci +85

    Responsible people have children later in life because they want to ensure the kids have a fair shot in life with adequate resources.

    • @Agemouk
      @Agemouk Před 2 měsíci +25

      This is what I was taught, and I agree with. Sadly biology doesn't play this game - fertility doesn't wait for you to get that promotion.

    • @ZZ-ek7mx
      @ZZ-ek7mx Před měsícem +5

      So society was led to believe this, and at the conclusion of this interview Emily and the researcher touched on a solution, that society should be geared so as NOT favour this delay. Besides the biological clock, it can often be a falsehood that having kids early spells disaster. I know of Drs that had kids whilst still at med school and have thriving families and careers.

    • @StimParavane
      @StimParavane Před měsícem +15

      Wrong. Women who party with bad boys in their 20s then struggle to successfully pair bond and form long-term relationships in their 30s.

    • @MrakS
      @MrakS Před měsícem

      ​@@StimParavanemaybe there are bad girls who corrupt nice boys?

    • @Appleboo222
      @Appleboo222 Před měsícem

      Well people are waiting and that’s still not enough.

  • @BEACHDUDE71
    @BEACHDUDE71 Před měsícem +22

    It's too expensive to have children, and it's not going to get better

  • @Gunna5067
    @Gunna5067 Před měsícem +85

    She is not listening to what he is saying. It's basically a practical problem and we're not planning for it.

    • @jmac5951
      @jmac5951 Před měsícem +9

      I agree. She's focused on ideological issues, when he's trying to define and solve the problem

    • @aldunlop4622
      @aldunlop4622 Před měsícem +14

      50 seconds in and she's already babbling about the alt-right. I thought this was about population, she's biased.

    • @DeborahWalkerXOXO
      @DeborahWalkerXOXO Před měsícem +4

      She listened. He agrees with the alt-right so he can't answer her. I think YOU aren't listening to him.

    • @kylebird91
      @kylebird91 Před měsícem +4

      ​@@DeborahWalkerXOXO He told her to stop using immigration as a birth rate fix, as it does not increase birth rates, it only creates a multi cultural country. And that is a different conversation.

    • @DeborahWalkerXOXO
      @DeborahWalkerXOXO Před měsícem

      @kylebird91 immigration creates the numbers required to sustain the pensioners. It then bolsters the next generation. To sustain the pensioners.
      The issue that is creating this contraction has a root. WS patriarchy. It created the capitalism we suffer under. It created the system he is using to "taste" other peoples cultures like food on a plate he doesn't want touching. It created the system where the contributions of anyone not W&M is dismissed as unnecessary of commensurate compensation. He upholds that system via numbers and word salad. She listened. He didn't like that she heard him.

  • @richardspillers6282
    @richardspillers6282 Před měsícem +15

    Im 38 years old. I work 100+ hours a week. Im not able to meet anyone and conversations on dating apps are a joke.
    I live on the job. It would be a waste of money for me to pay rent or a mortgage for a place i only see once or twice a year.
    Even if i had a local job dating is still a joke.
    The dating pool for men my age is bleak.
    I started noticing a shortage of childless females when I was 15.
    There's no incentive for most people in the US to grind anymore.
    I see video after video, report after report and documentary after documentary on this.
    We all know what the problems are and we just keep grinding and crying about it online when we should have been actively revolting 15 years ago.

    • @blombidobadila8084
      @blombidobadila8084 Před měsícem

      Revolting against what, who...............?

    • @nomadpurple6154
      @nomadpurple6154 Před 28 dny +1

      There a "shortage of childless females" So there is too many women having children???? Or is your problem that women don't want to have children with you? Do you think referring to them as "females" might have something to do with that?

  • @matthew504
    @matthew504 Před měsícem +27

    The system is so expensive that people cant afford children

  • @m0601168
    @m0601168 Před 2 měsíci +39

    Only reason we need more people is to prop up a failing social system to look after all the older people
    The pyramid scheme of pensions and poor social care will collapse as the base will be narrower than the top
    Unfortunately this generation of 20-40 somethings that have already been shafted by 2 financial disasters, covid and the biggest squeeze on living ever will only be shafted more when they have to look after the generation before them that had it all and squandered it on policies to only help the rich and themselves

  • @freeheeler09
    @freeheeler09 Před měsícem +11

    The population is still forecast to hit 10 to12 billion this century. And we are paving over and polluting the environment so quickly that the carrying capacity of our planet is declining rapidly. Populations in a few countries may be declining, but in many countries, populations are still increasing rapidly and disasterously.

    • @dabirdalton
      @dabirdalton Před 15 dny

      Those countries still having children well above the replacement will inherit the earth while those countries with declining birth rates will disappear.

  • @darknightbegins85
    @darknightbegins85 Před měsícem +19

    39, no kids, attorney, vasectomy, never married.
    Life is great!

  • @31Blaize
    @31Blaize Před 2 měsíci +90

    Two words for you: carrying capacity. What we *need* is a different economic paradigm, not more people.

    • @jameslawrence3666
      @jameslawrence3666 Před 2 měsíci

      precisely what Peter Zeihan talks about (is very worried about)

    • @g.s.8409
      @g.s.8409 Před 2 měsíci +4

      What world are you living in?!? Sensible ideas are not welcome!!!! 😢 😅

    • @shoelessjoe428
      @shoelessjoe428 Před měsícem +6

      Tax the rich.

    • @Ruth-os4mi
      @Ruth-os4mi Před měsícem +3

      Perhaps we've reached carrying capacity.

    • @rathelmmc3194
      @rathelmmc3194 Před měsícem +2

      You don't know what the carrying capacity of the planet is, nobody knows. It could be a trillion humans for all we know.

  • @cuddlebug1957
    @cuddlebug1957 Před měsícem +10

    Here’s an idea: let the billionaires fund the “welfare state”, Medicare, social security, etc themselves. They can afford it.
    If the billionaires want more workers, then they can also fund universal childcare, public schools, and after school programs.

  • @pastyman001
    @pastyman001 Před 2 měsíci +32

    Too expensive, demanding, time and space consuming, unless you have Mogg's inheritance.

    • @GodsOwnPrototype
      @GodsOwnPrototype Před měsícem +1

      Nope.
      It's about priorities.
      The future belongs to those who turn up.
      If you value things other than children over having children then you won't have children; there's a long list of reasons & excuses otherwise but the fundamental fact doesn't change.

  • @StimParavane
    @StimParavane Před měsícem +31

    We have dealt a bad hand to our young people.

  • @KathyRose848
    @KathyRose848 Před měsícem +52

    Young people can't afford to have kids anymore.

    • @beaulieuc8910
      @beaulieuc8910 Před měsícem +4

      and many don't want them anyway

    • @ryans1623
      @ryans1623 Před měsícem +1

      @@beaulieuc8910 No most people do, if you listend to what he said, is that women who have kids have just as many as the generation before, if you have one kid the chances of you having another are extremely high, its the number of women that dont have any at all, is what is skewing the numbers.

    • @Iquey
      @Iquey Před měsícem +1

      AND we will be expected to care for aging parents! Older Millenials are seeing younger gen X do this already.

    • @theredknight9314
      @theredknight9314 Před měsícem +1

      False.
      If that were true poor countries wouldn’t have higher births

    • @Azamat421
      @Azamat421 Před 18 dny

      It’s not false only Africa has high births

  • @gazilew
    @gazilew Před měsícem +4

    People employed by the establishment, complaining on behalf of the establishment, that there will be less people to exploit in the future.

    • @Dee-mj3pu
      @Dee-mj3pu Před 26 dny +1

      Vast stretches on Earth are vacant. Take a plane ride and see!

  • @michaeladkins6
    @michaeladkins6 Před 2 měsíci +121

    Who can afford kids?

    • @AImusic-yq4gq
      @AImusic-yq4gq Před měsícem

      Funny because I see single mothers with no job having kids and the kids still alive.

    • @hmq9052
      @hmq9052 Před měsícem +1

      No one ever could. Read your history

    • @eeaotly
      @eeaotly Před měsícem +4

      ​@@hmq9052History is made by the victors and victors have money to raise children.

    • @hmq9052
      @hmq9052 Před měsícem +4

      @@eeaotly People used to live in far worse conditions.

    • @eeaotly
      @eeaotly Před měsícem +9

      @@hmq9052 Short, miserable lives.

  • @TheSapphire51
    @TheSapphire51 Před 2 měsíci +52

    There is no shortage of children, but there are plenty of children being starved, bombed etc. Stop mistreating children if you want people to have more.

    • @milesblack1830
      @milesblack1830 Před měsícem +11

      this

    • @upendasana7857
      @upendasana7857 Před měsícem

      Absolutely!! on the one hand they're saying "have more kids"when there are people struggling to feed and clothe their kids in this country and then in other parts of the world they are being bombed and starved to death.Who would even want to bring children into this world,to be cogs in the machine to make money for the miliary industrial complex.
      NO affordable housing,education being cut and no affordable childcare,community break down,climate breakdonw,global wars ...endless reasons to not have kids

    • @maam-yj8ph
      @maam-yj8ph Před měsícem +3

      Exactly. What provisions are there for all of the foster kids and orphans out there?

  • @PiratePorts
    @PiratePorts Před 2 měsíci +44

    wonder why people "can't find a partner" to have kids with.. Im sure the number of car seats are making a huge difference. Nothing to do with economic or political issues like wage stagnation, the cost of living, or the cost of child care.

    • @fergusmurphy8310
      @fergusmurphy8310 Před 2 měsíci +4

      I think it's both. That was a memorable example of how a material issue can impact decisions about having more children.

    • @PiratePorts
      @PiratePorts Před 2 měsíci +3

      @@fergusmurphy8310 I don't disagree, human behavior is fickle. "thinking fast and slow" and "nudge" illustrate that very well.

    • @ItsTheCatSpeaking24
      @ItsTheCatSpeaking24 Před 2 měsíci +10

      Also- for the same factors, young people can't date- long work hours, little pay, fewer resources and opportunities to socialise, less energy to socialise

    • @m0ther_bra1ned12
      @m0ther_bra1ned12 Před měsícem

      ​@ItsTheCatSpeaking24 nasty, selfish and entitled women that won't even talk to me or are worth dating anyway?
      Nobody wants to hold women responsible for anything.

  • @seanturley447
    @seanturley447 Před 2 měsíci +51

    33:20 Emily asks the key question which is finances, and the mask falls with the normal reply from someone on the right, "it's always been expensive to own a home, but we found a way"
    No mate, its the disparity in wages vs house prices, your generation just continues to fck us

    • @Shikuesi
      @Shikuesi Před měsícem

      But that ratio isn't the only relevant number - there's average interest rates too. The HP/wages ratio was lower in the 1980s, but interest rates were often in double figures, which made mortgage payments larger particularly in the early years of mortgage terms.

    • @pce12345
      @pce12345 Před měsícem +2

      💯

    • @karlosthejackel69
      @karlosthejackel69 Před měsícem

      Try looking us Emily’s back ground

    • @stefanoparlatore7141
      @stefanoparlatore7141 Před měsícem +3

      @@Shikuesithere was way more public housing, rents were cheaper, and because houses were cheaper your down payment was a bigger% of the price.

  • @farinshore8900
    @farinshore8900 Před měsícem +6

    What an offensive question! Babies are NOT commodities.

  • @astriddececco3005
    @astriddececco3005 Před měsícem +5

    At minute 34:00, I disagree with him. Poor people had children because they had zero or little education on or access to contraception. No rational person wants to raise their child in poverty because it is one of the hardest prisons to get out of.

  • @maynnemillares
    @maynnemillares Před měsícem +5

    These people are talking BS, it is all about the cost of having children.

    • @Joshua-eo5hr
      @Joshua-eo5hr Před měsícem +1

      No it's not if that was true poorer people would have less children

  • @kellyhawkes3191
    @kellyhawkes3191 Před měsícem +8

    Well I had 3, so I did my bit, but I doubt my children will have any, they simply can't afford it.

  • @MrJonnyr85
    @MrJonnyr85 Před měsícem +40

    The fact that people like Elon, Jordan and Jacob exist is one reason why I'd never want to bring a child into this world.

  • @beaulieuc8910
    @beaulieuc8910 Před měsícem +9

    Having kids increases crime and overloaded prisons

  • @jujutrini8412
    @jujutrini8412 Před 2 měsíci +30

    Successive governments have made choices about whether or not they want to encourage young people to have kids. They have chosen not to. Scholars have known since the seventies and eighties that this would happen to our population.

  • @celondelon351
    @celondelon351 Před 2 měsíci +27

    You reap what you sow

  • @antoniosteve
    @antoniosteve Před 2 měsíci +26

    So you're saying - tax me more to pay for wealthy people to have children? Get lost.

    • @maam-yj8ph
      @maam-yj8ph Před měsícem +3

      Exactly. Quit punishing your tax base for existing and you might have more of a tax base.

    • @GodsOwnPrototype
      @GodsOwnPrototype Před měsícem +1

      I think it was: give parents tax breaks to alleviate the economic burdens of parenthood...otherwise the poor will be without a safety net in their old age as society & the economy will be too top heavy to provide it.

  • @thelastonequesqueca8982
    @thelastonequesqueca8982 Před měsícem +14

    If they're worried about low birth rates, they should probably also be against and talk more actively about 13,000 children being murdered with no western leader batting an eye except mild encouragement to follow international humanitarian law

  • @Eric-ej3oy
    @Eric-ej3oy Před měsícem +11

    If the world is running out of babies then it's running out of problems.

    • @Art-is-craft
      @Art-is-craft Před měsícem +1

      Nope. The problem will be that no welfare system to care for the childless elderly.

    • @xjmmjbnqfstjdijoj2044
      @xjmmjbnqfstjdijoj2044 Před měsícem +1

      As long as you're fine being 85 and still having to work and being extremely taxed, despite your country having fewer and fewer functioning services (hospitals, supermarkets, infrastructure, etc.) life is going to be blissful

    • @xneutralgodx
      @xneutralgodx Před měsícem

      No problems because of a giant problem. Don't know rather have many

  • @janephilpott6565
    @janephilpott6565 Před 2 měsíci +38

    I prefer being a dog-mum 🐕🙌 they missed that argument!

    • @SirHargreeves
      @SirHargreeves Před měsícem +2

      Sad.

    • @barhat961
      @barhat961 Před měsícem

      Dogs are fine they are not above humans

    • @niqjaw5009
      @niqjaw5009 Před měsícem +2

      Cats not kids! Even cacti better than kids!

    • @ColdBaltBlue
      @ColdBaltBlue Před měsícem +1

      Sending your baby lots of pets and love. I’m gonna be a dog dad one of these days.

  • @SkeletonDrums1
    @SkeletonDrums1 Před měsícem +26

    Long story short is that Millennial's and all generations after them, won't get state pension as there won't be enough new workers putting money into the system. Coupled with no carers to look after them in their final years. All that on a backdrop of never being able to buy a house! Our parents generation have really taken all and left no crumbs on the table for anybody!
    Solution: Get saving into your pension & Stocks and Shares ISA asap...and get fit because help ain't coming!

    • @nobillismccaw7450
      @nobillismccaw7450 Před měsícem

      Did this . The “G.F.C.” wiped it all out.

    • @SkeletonDrums1
      @SkeletonDrums1 Před měsícem

      @@nobillismccaw7450 I was too young to have been investing at that time, but I imagine it was heartbreaking. However, following the GFC, it's been a huge run of growth ever since. Buy the dip as they say, dollar cost averaging into that depressed market would have made you something in the region of 250% by now.

    • @SkeletonDrums1
      @SkeletonDrums1 Před měsícem

      ​@@nobillismccaw7450 it was a terrible time, sorry to hear it affected you so profoundly. The Markets has gone up 250% since then though, so dollar cost averaging into it since the crash would have put you in an unprecedented position. Markets rise and fall, weathering the storm is the true test!

  • @angelanorton5975
    @angelanorton5975 Před 2 měsíci +47

    Heres a thought, why not have an actual woman on here and ask them why they don't want or don't feel able to have kids in today's world instead of middle aged white men 🤷🏼

    • @AdelTheForsaken
      @AdelTheForsaken Před měsícem +16

      don't wanna hear the truth.

    • @jasonburden7999
      @jasonburden7999 Před měsícem +16

      Stephen has travelled the world, made a documentary and done research. It's more meaningful for him to discuss his findings than the anecdotal opinion of one woman to share why she personally doesn't want children. Otherwise the interview would become about her feelings and her own situation regarding childbirth, rather than society et large. His birth gap documentary is eye opening and he interviews many women across the world and they share their thoughts on why they didn't have children.

    • @annaclarke7643
      @annaclarke7643 Před měsícem +15

      My thinking exactly. Men twitter on about having babies but they don’t talk and don’t know about the realities. The second speaker talks about visiting numerous countries. How would he do this if he has children? Leave them to the mother? Oh yeah! Women have been there before.

    • @vklnew9824
      @vklnew9824 Před měsícem

      Poorly aged white ♀️

    • @vklnew9824
      @vklnew9824 Před měsícem

      ​@@AdelTheForsakenquiet shoplifter

  • @pce12345
    @pce12345 Před měsícem +6

    I think people want certain types of people to have children and others not so much

  • @Ruth-os4mi
    @Ruth-os4mi Před měsícem +28

    Women : We can't afford it.
    Scott Galloway : Women don't understand their biological clocks.

    • @beaulieuc8910
      @beaulieuc8910 Před měsícem +15

      women - we don't want the pain of childbirth, risk of death and to lose our freedom

    • @Ruth-os4mi
      @Ruth-os4mi Před měsícem +5

      @@beaulieuc8910 Exactly. But Scott Galloway knows better than us.

    • @kiwifruitpoo
      @kiwifruitpoo Před měsícem

      @@beaulieuc8910Loss of freedom? V sad to say. Children provide your life with meaning that you can’t even imagine before they come.

    • @ColdBaltBlue
      @ColdBaltBlue Před měsícem +1

      @@kiwifruitpooYou prepared to do all that yourself?

    • @user-ft5kh5um1r
      @user-ft5kh5um1r Před měsícem +3

      ​@@kiwifruitpoohaving children throws you into poverty

  • @kamalpreetsingh1686
    @kamalpreetsingh1686 Před měsícem +5

    Talk about job uncertainty, low wages and unemployment first ..... Dear philosophers

  • @mikez2779
    @mikez2779 Před 2 měsíci +29

    make housing more affordable
    make childcare more affordable
    make education (and not just for kids) more affordable
    and i very much believe this would be problem solved without needing extensive immigration

    • @ZZ-ek7mx
      @ZZ-ek7mx Před měsícem +1

      …and how do you make that ‘affordable’ without the tax revenue from a large labour force and business activity?

    • @dans864
      @dans864 Před měsícem +2

      ​@@ZZ-ek7mxsame way they all do the magic of Marxism😂

    • @shaymalchione809
      @shaymalchione809 Před měsícem

      Oh no that’s socialism a scary scary word.😱

    • @keithparker1346
      @keithparker1346 Před měsícem +2

      ​@@ZZ-ek7mxtax the rich. It's not rocket science

  • @bennylush
    @bennylush Před měsícem +14

    Give it a few years and we will be growing them in pods .... its a brave new world.

  • @user-ug1eo4xb7z
    @user-ug1eo4xb7z Před měsícem +8

    This isn't a left/right politics or a race issue, it's about babies. If it's too expensive for women in their fertile years to have children, then the economy needs to be structured in such a way to come up with solutions to solve that.

    • @user-on5dl9hc2z
      @user-on5dl9hc2z Před měsícem

      Woman don't need no man... Hypergamy is a great filter for our species. Every safeguard was removed and women given total independence and this is the result. Every read history the emperor of China had cities filled with women for breeding. The future is this. Women will form harems and share the same men. 80% men are invisible. Women's rights equals end of civilization...

    • @earthwormjim3269
      @earthwormjim3269 Před měsícem +2

      Steven J Shaw said that delayed parenthood is the main reason for falling birthrates around the globe. Women are not young and fertile forever. People need to accept that a woman's optimal biological age for conceiving children is 18 to 27 years old, and structure society around that. That's a 10 year window that is currently being consumed by the pursuit of higher education, striving to build a career, and doing other things that keep them busy until that window has closed. The other thing Steven didn't touch on (and few people would, because it's not politically correct to talk about) is that women have become victims of their own success. What I mean is, women generally marry across and up socioeconomically -- they ideally want a long-term partner whose education level and income level is equal or greater than their own. As women have advanced in educational attainment and career success, they're now out-educating men and out-earning men. As a result, women's pool of long-term dating/mating prospects has shrunk.

    • @user-ft5kh5um1r
      @user-ft5kh5um1r Před měsícem

      ​@@earthwormjim326927? Boy, menopause doesn't hit most women at 27. Go get educated on womens reproductive system.

    • @nomadpurple6154
      @nomadpurple6154 Před 28 dny +2

      @@earthwormjim3269 Actually we'd love it if men could fix the car or build a wardrobe, but sadly it seems our father's or grandfather's generation were the last who could do that.

  • @sen.m7832
    @sen.m7832 Před měsícem +14

    There may be reasons economic or otherwise that people don't have children but by and large it's this: In every single country with access to effective birth control the population is dropping. Why?
    Because women never wanted the amount of children they were having to begin with.
    And now that they don't have to - they aren't.
    It's that simple really.

    • @LadyMarigoldWithers
      @LadyMarigoldWithers Před měsícem +6

      I 💯 think this is the case!

    • @upendasana7857
      @upendasana7857 Před měsícem +9

      They akso want the social,economic and emotional security etc to be able to bring up children ina healthy environment.Many women work now and do not want to risk their careers or get lower pay for taking time off to have kids having worked or studied for a career and also finding suitable partners with which to have a happy family...many reasons a woman might cut off having kids

    • @Erintii
      @Erintii Před měsícem +4

      Men also. Not every men wants bunch of kids and housewife chattering about them all the time. They also want quality of life and relationships. Travels not diapers, business together not baby crying, pursuing hobbies not baby screaming and better intimacy. Ppl want to chose when, with whom, and how many kids to have if any. Conservatives can't understand ppl want more struggle.

  • @TCJones
    @TCJones Před 2 měsíci +26

    As much as i would love kids, there is no way i could ever afford them, thanks the torys and my 20% wage cut!

  • @durin3415
    @durin3415 Před měsícem +5

    She's got a pre-ordained script running in her head, and only occassionally asked a real question for a real conversation.

  • @alundavies1016
    @alundavies1016 Před měsícem +24

    Growing up I remember all the chat was about the population explosion. How the Earth couldn’t take the rapidly increasing population… Now all the talking heads come out and say that the Human race is doomed because we haven’t yet filled the planet to standing room only? Which is it? I get the distinct impression that we are currently seeing a very silly premise being expressed. We can’t just keep growing the population, there will be a tipping point. If we need to work out a way to re-organise society then I am sure we will manage it, we tend to re-organise pretty organically. More effort and resource into care, infrastructure and fixing the bits of planet that we have broken. It’s not that hard.

    • @jsward96
      @jsward96 Před měsícem +1

      Two things can be true at once. Because of the baby boom, the world population exploded in a relatively short span of time. The population has continued to grow, but the boomers, and their children have failed to replace themselves. Thus we are headed toward an inverted pyramid.

    • @nomadpurple6154
      @nomadpurple6154 Před 28 dny +1

      @@jsward96 The inverted pyramid has to happen eventually. Why not now?
      Or to avoid the inverted pyramid ever happening there would have to be an elderly cull. Extra strong Cvid, anyone?

    • @jsward96
      @jsward96 Před 28 dny

      @@nomadpurple6154 What makes you say that an inverted pyramid has to happen eventually?

    • @tiffanywatson8316
      @tiffanywatson8316 Před 12 dny

      ​@@jsward96Because the conditions for the baby boom, at least in the US aren't here anymore. There has been no WW, which left an economic vacuum for our country to fill. Most of the new inventions that are being created need fewer people to run them as opposed to manufacturing in the 1950's-70's. Medical advancements mean we live longer and healthier than we ever have, so some jobs won't need new workers as often as in years past.

  • @sockwithaticket
    @sockwithaticket Před 2 měsíci +34

    Here's an idea, how about we tear up the neo-liberal economic consensus that keeps expanding wealth inequality.
    Instead of funnelling wealth into fewer and fewer hands, spread it out and allow people to live comfortable lives. Then they might think about having kids rather than wondering if they'll have enough money to pay for rent, bills and food this month.
    Second guest has his head in the sand.

    • @jujutrini8412
      @jujutrini8412 Před 2 měsíci

      Everyone knows the only way society can be run is by a capitalist model - nothing else exists. 🙈🙊🙉

  • @dmcg6074
    @dmcg6074 Před 2 měsíci +23

    Universal free childcare is the only answer

    • @adamdavid5603
      @adamdavid5603 Před měsícem +2

      Yeah if you and those that agree with it pay for it, just dont expect me to use my labour to pay for other peoples kids when already paid over a million in tax yet use no public services. If people want kids they will have them regardless of costs, this isnt about money but priorities being different to past generations.

    • @dmcg6074
      @dmcg6074 Před měsícem +4

      @@adamdavid5603 the tax generated from the mother's being able to work would go along way towards paying for it. Probably reduce the reliance on imported labour aswell, and contribute to a better functioning society,. Congratulations on contributing over a million in taxes by the way, is that annually? I guarantee your taxes already pays for other people's kids

    • @GodsOwnPrototype
      @GodsOwnPrototype Před měsícem

      That used be called motherhood & a single living wage.

    • @ss-ds2dn
      @ss-ds2dn Před měsícem +1

      ​@@GodsOwnPrototype that was a scam

    • @MeMe-zq7qd
      @MeMe-zq7qd Před měsícem

      They’ve sort of done that here in Canada (10$ a day daycare) and it’s been a disaster. Now there are 4 year long waitlists to get into childcare and daycares are so overwhelmed that some have stopped taking more kids. Daycares have also been struggling financially and losing staff because the 10$ a day subsidy is causing stagnant salaries (which are low to begin with So people have been forced to quit their jobs because they can’t get their child in to daycare because everyone is utilizing the daycare system.

  • @fanfeck2844
    @fanfeck2844 Před měsícem +10

    Why have children in the U.K. when we can just import them like we do now

    • @keithparker1346
      @keithparker1346 Před měsícem

      Maybe we shouldn't import people

    • @xjmmjbnqfstjdijoj2044
      @xjmmjbnqfstjdijoj2044 Před měsícem

      And you will end up living in a completely different society...just don't whine when everything you consider "normal" will no longer exist

    • @blombidobadila8084
      @blombidobadila8084 Před měsícem +1

      @@xjmmjbnqfstjdijoj2044 What is normal in the UK and what is positive about this normality?

  • @TheSapphire51
    @TheSapphire51 Před 2 měsíci +22

    It's interesting that these men never look at the problem of the growing inequality, laws favouring the rich and lack of support of families. They are treated more like cash cows by Mega companies who operate with impunity. Yes the economic cost and yes the fact that both parents are compelled to work to provide a roof over their families head. Why choose to interview two men and no woman on this matter. Let Women Speak for christsake.

  • @alana8863
    @alana8863 Před 2 měsíci +24

    Tories getting it wrong again.

  • @adiadi5832
    @adiadi5832 Před měsícem +10

    if everything goes to the 1%,the rest get screwd

  • @mollymoo5818
    @mollymoo5818 Před 2 měsíci +50

    Women would rather have a life.

    • @warrenbooth2103
      @warrenbooth2103 Před 2 měsíci +10

      Better to never to have been born than to die on a battlefield.

    • @angelanorton5975
      @angelanorton5975 Před 2 měsíci +8

      Aren't you so pleased that jamesanthony9316 mansplained the female experience of life and motherhood to you & what we want out our life and maybe always have... Difference now is we have a CHOICE!

    • @secretarchitect288
      @secretarchitect288 Před měsícem +3

      Mollymoo. Until they get old and then wish they'd had a family.

    • @theant9821
      @theant9821 Před měsícem +7

      Ironically they are choosing not to fulfil their lives.
      No one regrets having kids, lots of people regret not having them.

    • @user-np2dp8ck4j
      @user-np2dp8ck4j Před měsícem

      @@theant9821this is absolute nonsense!
      Tons of people regret having kids.
      You’re delusional 😂

  • @Josh95x
    @Josh95x Před měsícem +13

    Obsessed with labelling everything far-right

    • @Jonnyicey
      @Jonnyicey Před měsícem

      You just know to not listen as soon as you hear that term tho, BBC are terrible for it. When a lady and her child were stabbed by an immigrant in Ireland... They called the backlash "far right"

    • @xjmmjbnqfstjdijoj2044
      @xjmmjbnqfstjdijoj2044 Před měsícem

      Japan, South Korea and China are far-right white supremacists nations in their eyes😂

  • @charlottenoyes5535
    @charlottenoyes5535 Před měsícem +19

    I’m sorry, but it is my view that the lack of genuinely affordable stable accommodation is a major factor in people delaying or not having children.

  • @newjerseyselfdefense6199
    @newjerseyselfdefense6199 Před měsícem +2

    If they’re not talking about young me being gainfully employed the conversation is moot.

  • @priyankarmajumder4152
    @priyankarmajumder4152 Před 28 dny +2

    You can't force women if they don't want to raise children for 20 years of their lives.
    They are realising that it's not worth it for them.

  • @philallen7626
    @philallen7626 Před 2 měsíci +33

    You could make great strides towards a higher birth rate with house building. Price young adults out of family homes, and you price them out of having families. Cost and availability of child care will also be putting a big dent in the birth rate in the UK too.

    • @jonathandnicholson
      @jonathandnicholson Před 2 měsíci +1

      Get married and then you can pool resources.

    • @Benjamin.Jamin.
      @Benjamin.Jamin. Před 2 měsíci +9

      ​@@jonathandnicholson Even then out of reach for many/most and both parents will have to work FT which makes home and work life incredibly hectic and stressful.

    • @jonathandnicholson
      @jonathandnicholson Před 2 měsíci

      ​@@Benjamin.Jamin. When has life ever not been stressful? During the Middle Ages people had worries you do not and still managed to be fruitful and multiply. You are not the first person to have had a stressful life because life is stressful and no ideal time exists other than the present. Strive for a life with meaning rather than a life of comfort.

    • @jonathandnicholson
      @jonathandnicholson Před 2 měsíci +2

      @@Benjamin.Jamin. Let me put it another way. What would you rather have on your gravestone: 'A still beloved husband and father' or 'Watched Netflix whilst he waited to afford a mansion with the promotion that never happened'. Think about the joy of your kid(s) opening a birthday present you and your wife lovingly gave and all of the other happy memories you will give.
      Choose life because you never know what joy the adventure may bring. By the way, I am speaking of a position of regret, so I am giving this advice out of love rather judgement.

    • @Benjamin.Jamin.
      @Benjamin.Jamin. Před 2 měsíci +2

      ​@@jonathandnicholsonquite. And people have higher standards for themselves and their children. To be celebrated surely.

  • @fatherofthenoo
    @fatherofthenoo Před 2 měsíci +11

    Social attitudes have looked down on those having children for years now. You reap what you sow.

    • @cian1170
      @cian1170 Před 2 měsíci +3

      what are you on about

    • @fatherofthenoo
      @fatherofthenoo Před 2 měsíci

      @@cian1170 The perception over the last couple of decades have, namely due to negative media, is that people having children are essentially scroungers because the state needs to support them with various costs. Even the government reduced that support to only two children. Essentially saying "if you can't afford them, don't have them". This drip feed of negative media eventually works its way into the social psyche. That's how social manipulation works. Do you understand now?

    • @deanlowdon8381
      @deanlowdon8381 Před 2 měsíci +4

      Who has looked down on people having children!? 😂

    • @ColdBaltBlue
      @ColdBaltBlue Před měsícem

      @@deanlowdon8381People who complain about “welfare queens” and any single parent who needs social support.

  • @user-dt3iv5oc6f
    @user-dt3iv5oc6f Před měsícem +3

    Ever been to Africa , they ain’t running out of kids there 😂

  • @wisemanwalkingdowntheroad4275
    @wisemanwalkingdowntheroad4275 Před měsícem +7

    I see a world with only a billion people as a paradise.

    • @xjmmjbnqfstjdijoj2044
      @xjmmjbnqfstjdijoj2044 Před měsícem

      The problem is the age structure... it's going to be a lot bleaker than what you think

    • @wisemanwalkingdowntheroad4275
      @wisemanwalkingdowntheroad4275 Před měsícem

      @@xjmmjbnqfstjdijoj2044 What want to do is get out of the social security Ponzi scheme and have everyone self finance their retirement. We have a few hundred billionaires holding a vast majority of the world's wealth. Get the money from there.

  • @ekoheriyanto70
    @ekoheriyanto70 Před měsícem +4

    Why bring lives into this world just to suffer....?

  • @darrenwestbury8569
    @darrenwestbury8569 Před 2 měsíci +14

    over the last 20 odd years we have been getting told not to have kids now we need to play catch up big time!!

  • @amyburt8451
    @amyburt8451 Před 2 měsíci +22

    I love Emily Maitlis for this ❤ I'm so tired of people having a negative attitude to people who choose for whatever reason not to have kids. And worryingly more than that, coercing them into having kids and making them fel that they are less than or selfish not to have kids

    • @ZZ-ek7mx
      @ZZ-ek7mx Před měsícem +2

      Are you really that tired, or just that you do not like being judged by others ? It seems you have no problem judging them. In some cases, maybe others, knowing the joy or parenthood are just keen to share that and don’t want those that they love to possibly miss out?

    • @user-np2dp8ck4j
      @user-np2dp8ck4j Před měsícem

      @@ZZ-ek7mxbullsh!t.
      The people who encourage others to breed are overwhelmingly the epitome of ‘misery loves company’.

  • @jacobwilkins3532
    @jacobwilkins3532 Před měsícem +6

    The economic argument doesn't stack up when considering historical relativism. The average family in Britain today is much richer than a family from the Victorian era, for instance, and they had plenty of children. (Obviously, the lack of contraception played a role.) Lifestyle expectations are a big factor too. People choose to live a better life rather than spend their money on children. Feminism also plays a factor. Women are increasingly having children in their thirties because they choose to focus on their careers in their twenties, waving goodbye to their most fertile years.

  • @MrJayrenD
    @MrJayrenD Před 2 měsíci +14

    Addressing gross economic inequalities would be a surefire way to increase the birth rate. Governments allow a situation where many in the prime-fertile range have to spend over 40% of their earnings on housing, allowing large retailers to dramatically increase food costs due to inflation (apparently) yet fail to decrease them in line with deflation and of course there's shrinkflation on goods.
    For the first time in human history, many of our species have the ability to choose to have kids, and the choice not to isn't immensely difficult to stick to given modern contraception, and as such massive cultural shifts are taking place with regards to reproduction. We have more knowledge than ever on how to take care of kids and we have the ability to give kids a healthy future BUT that's stupidly difficult if parents can't afford baby food (which is marked up unfairly high).

    • @theredknight9314
      @theredknight9314 Před měsícem +1

      Wrong.
      Places with the highest birthrates are the poorest most unequal countries.
      So you are objectively wrong

    • @MrJayrenD
      @MrJayrenD Před měsícem +1

      @@theredknight9314 This discussion isn't resolved around nations with high birthrates though is it?
      It's about low birthrates, typically in the post-industrial western block (including Japan and Korea).
      Your comment is a different discussion albeit related.
      Think before insulting bro

    • @theredknight9314
      @theredknight9314 Před měsícem

      @@MrJayrenD in order to increase birth rates people need to become poor and unequal.
      Thats self evident.

  • @Dragonsitter
    @Dragonsitter Před 2 měsíci +10

    I’m 78+. I had my babies in 1972 and 3. I was deemed geriatric mother at 26/7 lol. My daughter was in her 30s and son decided no children. Life for grandsons is much bleaker…😳

  • @hilltribelife3843
    @hilltribelife3843 Před 2 měsíci +17

    If we tax adequately the super rich to help support families this will help build a healthier happier society for everyone.

    • @SkeletonDrums1
      @SkeletonDrums1 Před měsícem +6

      That message seems to fall on deaf ears in government, probably due to most politicians bank balances' being a prime target.

    • @hilltribelife3843
      @hilltribelife3843 Před měsícem

      @@SkeletonDrums1 Not all politicians come into politics being greedy but the abundance of opportunities for corruption are too tempting especially in a broken society where everyone is looking after number 1. A simple start would be banning political party donors and second jobs for MPs.

    • @SirHargreeves
      @SirHargreeves Před měsícem +4

      Delusional.

  • @jasonburden7999
    @jasonburden7999 Před měsícem +4

    I do have to disagree slightly with Robert with his statement "as people become richer, they have fewer children". There should be a caveat that between £5k and £500k in household income, yes this is true that they have fewer children. However below the £5k level and above the £500k level, families have more children. I believe this data was gathered and shared in the birth gap documentary by the second guest i.e. Stephen Shaw.

  • @ScottBanks-mv9ic
    @ScottBanks-mv9ic Před měsícem +9

    The very last thing said is what I have always believed, make the system work for people to have children young and then worry about a career later

    • @ss-ds2dn
      @ss-ds2dn Před měsícem

      How?

    • @earthwormjim3269
      @earthwormjim3269 Před měsícem

      You are correct. Steven J Shaw said that delayed parenthood is the main reason for falling birthrates around the globe. Women are not young and fertile forever. People need to accept that a woman's optimal biological age for conceiving children is 18 to 27 years old, and structure society around that. That's a 10 year window that is currently being consumed by the pursuit of higher education, striving to build a career, and other things that keep them busy until that window has closed. The other thing Steven didn't touch on (and few people would, because it's not politically correct to talk about) is that women have become victims of their own success. What I mean is, women generally marry across and up socioeconomically -- they ideally want a long-term partner whose education level and income level is equal or greater than their own. As women have advanced in educational attainment and career success, they're now out-educating men and out-earning men. As a result, women's pool of long-term dating/mating prospects has shrunk.

  • @StimParavane
    @StimParavane Před měsícem +6

    Feminism and the Corporations have created this mess.

    • @beaulieuc8910
      @beaulieuc8910 Před měsícem +2

      great, many women are very happy being childfree

    • @m0ther_bra1ned12
      @m0ther_bra1ned12 Před měsícem +1

      ​@@beaulieuc8910you'd make a terrible spouse and mother anyway.

  • @JanUl-ne5lg
    @JanUl-ne5lg Před měsícem +3

    It is not a bug, it is a desired, deliberate feature of the system - depopulation, as set out in the infamous Georgia Stones.

  • @thethinkingcatakaneonormie3527

    The uk government has cut services to the bone if you want larger birth rates you need a 30 hour week wages above inflation and a reliable cheap form of housing and cutting VAT on alcohol and communal things like bars clubs and the building of community centres. Really I'd love a wife and children but I work sometimes up to 70 hours just to make ends meet, I don't have the time or budget to have a wife and home. Really the majority of these problems can be directly linked to Trickle down economics brought in in the 1980's also Health hystria and a media wagging fingers at people going out to clubs and bars and the Austerity to cut all the social meet ups were people can fall in love and have children.

  • @duncanmacphee200
    @duncanmacphee200 Před 2 měsíci +24

    More importantly, the world is running out of ways to sustain so many humans. So, no, a drop in global population is not a bad thing in the slightest.

    • @jonathandnicholson
      @jonathandnicholson Před 2 měsíci +2

      Are you going to volunteer? I hope you do not, but I also hope you do not ask other people to take your place.

    • @alana8863
      @alana8863 Před 2 měsíci +7

      You didn't listen to the vid.
      The point is not that the population will start to decline, but it's the SPEED of decline. It means that we won't have enough workers to look after the disabled and the elderly. Not only financially, but in practical terms.
      The result of our anti-child policies in this country has been the need to massively increase immigration, and this has caused it's own problems - particularly an increase in bigotry and the rise of the hard-Right.
      If people return to the classic '2.1' children then we are fine - but that hasn't been the case for forty years.

    • @tk380514
      @tk380514 Před měsícem

      ​@alana8863 looking at the comments I see 2 things, confirmation bias and very poor maths skills. No one really understood his points.

    • @keithparker1346
      @keithparker1346 Před měsícem +1

      ​@@alana8863and we have both Labour and Conservative penalising families with more than 2 kids with the 2 child benefit cap

  • @lesleypatriciajordison4890
    @lesleypatriciajordison4890 Před 2 měsíci +23

    Quite lot of what the guest said was skating worryingly close to some fairly unsavoury stuff! Not a great fan of cultural diversity it would seem.

    • @adamdavid5603
      @adamdavid5603 Před měsícem +1

      Which was? Sounds more like your mental projections if your on the far left. There was nothing in there that i thought was unsavoury other than the data being presented, rather those are your emotional responses.

    • @lesleypatriciajordison4890
      @lesleypatriciajordison4890 Před měsícem +1

      Why immediately go on the attack and fling out wild accusations about me? I’m not in the far left - I’m about centre left. So I’m guessing that shunts you to the right if you didn’t find it veering off into unsavoury stuff when he went on about protecting a country’s culture which in his opinion is under threat if we increase population by immigration. Getting a bit “great replacement” silliness, at least in my judgement.

    • @bgbuilds2712
      @bgbuilds2712 Před měsícem

      ​@lesleypatriciajordison4890 the great replacement isn't silly at all. It's very real. Your decadent moral and cultural relativism is eroding the pillars that made western society unique and outstanding in the first place. Import the third world, become the third world.

  • @syleshwhycantileavethisbla802
    @syleshwhycantileavethisbla802 Před 2 měsíci +21

    I don't need kids, I have disposable income and a cat.

  • @gileswolfe8842
    @gileswolfe8842 Před 2 měsíci +14

    1 Tax - why should people without kids pay more to subsidize those with kids, with some vague promise that those kids might look after the elderly in the future?
    2 The model of future generations' income paying for the elderly doesn't work any more - rather ensure people are paid fairly to accumulate wealth in their lifetime.

    • @nicks4934
      @nicks4934 Před 2 měsíci +3

      They pay your pension lol

    • @gileswolfe8842
      @gileswolfe8842 Před 2 měsíci +5

      @@nicks4934 It makes no sense that we pay our predecessors' benefits and then, expecting the next generation will do the same, receive worse benefits. Instead, change the system so that each generation parts for itself. Tax wealth to allow the shift to happen and pay people a fair wage to allow them to accumulate fully for their own retirement.

    • @milesblack1830
      @milesblack1830 Před měsícem

      @@gileswolfe8842 this

    • @SkeletonDrums1
      @SkeletonDrums1 Před měsícem +6

      Simply having a sovereign wealth fund which has a sum paid in for every citizen born would solve the issue. Say £5K put in at birth, compounding interest for 70 years would give a very comfortable pension for all. The Ponzi set up we have today is absolutely bonkers and doomed to fail.

    • @milesblack1830
      @milesblack1830 Před měsícem

      @@SkeletonDrums1 what you just described is also kind off a Ponzi scheme since continually rising stock markets relies to a certain extent on continually rising economies, therefore populations... if the population fell dramatically, the stock market would be unlikely to rise that much

  • @jellosquishier
    @jellosquishier Před měsícem +6

    Out of all the dystopian futures, i never thought I'd be living in the "Children of Men" one.

    • @maam-yj8ph
      @maam-yj8ph Před měsícem

      Zombie Apocalypse will follow in short order.

  • @wz8881
    @wz8881 Před měsícem +3

    This woman is obsessed with “hard” right.

  • @Swift_2028
    @Swift_2028 Před 2 měsíci +19

    A.I. will swallow all our jobs anyway 😂

    • @zoranblackie5921
      @zoranblackie5921 Před 2 měsíci +1

      AI isn't gonna care for me when I'm too old/frail to do so...

    • @milesblack1830
      @milesblack1830 Před měsícem +1

      @@zoranblackie5921 no but if it takes all the other jobs then, in theory, the smaller number of young workers left can do the small number of jobs that AI can't do. Or AI just takes over and treats us like we treat other animals, I suppose

    • @zoranblackie5921
      @zoranblackie5921 Před měsícem +3

      Indeed, yet we are still desperate for staff in the care sector... the irony of the elderly voting Brexit/ Tory and then having no available staff to care for them at minimum/ living wage is not lost on me...

    • @milesblack1830
      @milesblack1830 Před měsícem

      @@zoranblackie5921 agreed re Brexit irony. But if AI continues taking other white-collar jobs, then surely young people (like myself) will all flock to the sectors where there are currently shortages, and then there won't be shortages...

    • @Jonnyicey
      @Jonnyicey Před měsícem

      ​@@zoranblackie5921 no but the AI will be powering the terminator style robots they are currently making... They will take care of you

  • @scootergirl3662
    @scootergirl3662 Před měsícem +4

    It’s running out of people who can afford to have babies I know that for sure

  • @DaveMasters1121
    @DaveMasters1121 Před měsícem +6

    Lol this is making me lol.
    When you make renting and house prices crazy then what do you expect?
    Pre COVID I spent 4 hours a day 5 days a week commuting from 2011 to 2020. Perhaps if London was more affordable I wouldn't have had to do that...
    Also how do you have kids and commute 4 hours a day when you are female

  • @sinjinsmythe1571
    @sinjinsmythe1571 Před 18 dny +1

    You mean the world is running out of taxpayers!!!

  • @BridgetWalker-xu8sw
    @BridgetWalker-xu8sw Před měsícem +1

    Don't want them. Children deserve parents who want them.

  • @davidking9222
    @davidking9222 Před měsícem +5

    It doesn't help that the average woman, wouldn't date the average man. Their dating requirements can a minimum 6' 6'', £100,000 pa salary, and a 6 pack.
    That man thinks marry is bad news as 50% of marriages end in divorce. 80% of divorces are instigated by women, and the man will lose the majority of his past, present and future assets.