Tascam X8 vs Zoom F3! Field Recording Preamp Comparison in Japan
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- čas přidán 6. 11. 2022
- Join us on a journey to Japan as we pit the Zoom F3 against the Tascam X8 in an ultimate preamp challenge. In this video, we compare the performance of these two popular field recorders in real-world recording scenarios and share our results and insights with you. Get ready to learn which device comes out on top in this preamp showdown. Don't miss this opportunity to see the Zoom F3 and Tascam X8 in action and make an informed decision for your next field recording setup
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Thanks,
Libby and Marcel
Your channel is so wholesome. I only know a little about audio, but love coming here to relax
Finally, finally, the comparison between F3 and X8 has come. Appreciate! I like to travel in Japan either! Lucky both of you, Libby and Marcel! Hope you were in safe and happiness in Osaka!
Glad you enjoyed it and we hope you're safe as well!
I really love the black bar effect you put on the clips when using the different audio sources. Really great video editing!!
Thank you for taking us along into this walkaround!
Glad you enjoyed it Ryan! :)
Love this energy. Incredible work. Thank you.
This was such a well produced video! thank you for inspiring me to work on building my sound collection! keep up the great work!
Thank you so much for watching and we're happy to hear you enjoyed the video!
Great test and I love the B-roll. That heart-shape shadow at the beginning was cool! You inspire me to get out and record.
Thank you for watching and Scotland has some amazing sounds that are waiting for you to be recorded. :)
Thank you for your new video. I really like them all. It always brings me new urge to try new things in recording.Keep on
Thank you Milan!!
Another very entertaining video, Marcel. I cannot really tell the two recorders apart, especially as you were not recording simultaneously, so they were not the exact same sounds. The F3 may have an edge though. Sounded crisper and more detailed. I currently enjoy the X8 as I found one with a great bargain (cheaper than the F3), and as I find it more versatile for my own needs (I don't only do field recording but all sorts of stuff with it). I was thinking about the F6, but for almost third the price, the X8, with all its limitations, will do for now.
Really good video! Your content unique. Thnx guys
Thank you so much!!
Thank you for great test! I always watch your videos. Please came back to Japan and recording some sounds again! ありがとう！
Thank you! We are here for 3 months until February:)
Wow! Sound good!! I just followed you on instagram too. I look forward to your new videos and posts. Thank you!
you two are just amazing!! and are doing great work to show how fantastic field recording is!!!!!
Thank you again Michael!!
The production quality of this channel is absolute best ive ever seen! (excuse the profile pick, kids)
Thank you so much Milo!! That means a lot to us. Tonight we have a new video coming up!
So nice! I like the F3 more. Thanks for this inspirational video 📷🔊
Thank you so much Erik!
I have the same issues with my F3, but this looks intentional. I made a no-mic recording and put it into Audacity. I applied 50db of gain to the "empty" file and then ran an FFT on it in. The FFT showed the average noise floor was roughly -74db. There is a very distinct drop in the noise floor starting at around 60kHz. By 67kHz there is 3db drop in audio and by 80kHz the noise has dropped below -90db. Looking at the FFT it looks like Zoom has applied a low-pass filter. I tried sending a screen shot of the FFT to you on Instagram but it didn't go through.
Die Hydrophone Aufnahmen sind ein Traum. Und über Bilder aus Japan freu ich mich sowieso 😍Über die In-Ohr-Hörer konnte ich jetzt auch keinen qualitativen Unterschied zwischen den PreAmps heraushören. Ich freu mich schon auf die nächsten Japan-Sound-Traveller-Vlogs 😀
Viele Grüße - Til.
Thank you Til!! They will come. The Triton Audio items are next level! :)
Hi Til! Are you sure its the Amp Piezo? I just got it and it creates a lot of interference when PP is on :( On all 3 contact microphones
@@FreeToUseSounds Ich hatte gehofft, dass du ihn erst irgendwo ausprobierst, bevor du ihn kaufst. Technisch ist das nur so nachvollziehbar, dass die Kabellänge doch ziemlich groß ist. Diese Kontaktmikrofone werden ja normalerweise für Gitarren und ähnliche akustische Instrumente benutzt. Aber da sind die Kabel ja oft noch länger. Ich kann mir aber vorstellen, dass die Interferenzen bei relativ lauten Instrumenten nicht auffallen, während sie bei hohen Verstärkungen im Rekorder hörbar werden. Dann bringt das Teil nur bei höheren Pegeln etwas, indem es die Bässe verstärkt.
The F3 is amazing for size and use. I wish they would have like a hot key to add quick switch to fav setting vs having to menu dive.
That would be great for sure. Interesting idea to add for future products.
What Camera did you use for this video? Looks really great!
Hi. Great video! Which one, or others similar, would you think to be preferable for recording a handpan instrument at a budget no higher than $400 USD? Thank you.
Judging from the post most seem to be in favour of the F3, I prefer the Tascam, sounds more full with the right amount of everything whiles the F3 adds more highs, something am very sensitive to and easily fatigues my ears.
Am a Tascam guy cause I prefer their sounds!
ME 2!👍...Also, bein' a Tascam Girl 4 MANY decades, I find it hard to believe the ZOOM (which hasn't been around anywhere NEAR as long as Tascam -BTW), could even come CLOSE to the X8 -especially when comparing the two's GUIs: MAJOR Game Changer -The ZOOM doesn't even make it into the ballpark!🙄... And besides, if I wanted more highs -I'd just take care of THAT in post with EQ or a High-Pass filter!😒
I like the way on the zoom you record in mono but can change the file format to stereo there and then. I have to say I'm partial to the Tascam, 'though.
Really amazing video as usual. Definitely prefer the F3. With the hydrophone I heard slightly more detail like the "click clack" of the train tracks at the end. I also thought the F3 was clearer and better on the other samples too. I enjoyed that a lot. Thanks Marcel, and Libby of course for her great filming. All the best. Simon.
Thank you so much for watching and your feedback Simon!! Great to know your real name :)
@@FreeToUseSounds Yes, Crypto Trader is not my real birth name. ;o)
Maybe more like Kryptonite :)
Wonder if the difference is in the microphones? Wonderful comparison , but thinking the recordings would be more impacted by the difference in the microphones than the preamps?
I think the F3 sounds better due the use of a external microphone Tascam on other hand is using his cheap internal mic… both sound really great, tho
Hi, can I use the Zoom F3 with the Roland CS-10 Binaural Headphones for stereo field recordings? Thanks
I want to be able to do video with my iPhone 12 and use the Tascam for the audio. What adapter do I need? Is it the Apple Lightning to USB3 Camera Adapter or something else?
After watching the full video they both sounds great. I might need to listen to bandcamp versions because the CZcams compression might be sounding off the sound.
The videos you upload are great.
Thanks to that, I also have a hobby of recording sound.
Please introduce yourself. Tripods, cables and attachments
thank you always
Good afternoon, thank you very much for a very detailed review. Please tell me, is it possible to connect the Sennheiser, Me2, MKE2 lavalier microphones to Zoom F3, via the 3.5 jack? The characteristics of the Sennheiser lavalier microphones indicate a 7.5 volt power supply. In the Zoom F3 recorder, +24/48 volts are supplied to the microphone. If you choose +24 volts, will it not spoil the microphone from overvoltage? I'm not good at this, please tell me
What 3.5 jack?
Great video, thanks! Why did you use the converter instead of the phantom power with the zoom?
Sound difference or power compatebility?
Thank you! Oh you mean the adapter? The contact microphone is quarter inch but the Zoom doesn’t come with a Dual XLR port. Its only a adapter in order to use it with.
WOW. Awesome test... I think F3 is mutch better on audio qualitty. Tascam is so beatifull and has incorporated mics, but F3 have best results.
Thanks for your work.
Thanks for watching!
I am happy that Zoom F3 seems to be winning here because I just ordered one (on its way!) Amazing video and thanks a lot for doing all this work. One question: What kind of adapter are you using for the Zoom F3 to record with the contact mic? Is it an impedance matcher? Ta
Hi! Oh no this one is just a basic quarter inch to XLR adapter. Works well. :)
Does the adapter introduce hiss/noise? Thank you.
Amazing
Thanks so much for this comparison! What is the mic you're using 4:05? Do you recommend it as a portable solution for Zoom F3? Thanks!
Hi! Oh the Sennheiser MKH 8040? Hmm as a mono mic for sound effects it's a fun solution but I wouldn't use it to record ambiences.
Love it.. which sample rate do your setting? More japan video pls 👍
It really depends. 192kHz or 96kHz but never lower.
I need something like this but with some weatherproofing!
My Zoom F3 was bricked with only a few drops of water...
Some functions to program it in advance (timer) and auto-start (only record when there is sound) would be perfect...
How I want to make a comparsion between nature sound and manmade sounds and wants to record my sound samples. besides zoom F3 what other gears and software for analysis I need. Thank you
Amazing! I do want a F3 😱😁
Any microphones you can recommend to go with it?
If you are on a budget. 🫣 Hope to do ambiance recordings. 🎧
Oh yes. You can check out the AT 8022 but also Line Audio has a nice pair. Its all about wind protection and extra cables that will boost the bill.
There both good unites and at the end of the day it all will depend on what you want to do as a recordist with one or the other on location recording digital audio.
That's right Anthony.
Luv the content .. can that clipon mic be used on an instrument like say a harmonica?
Oh yes it can.
About the EMI/RFI at around 4:49: With the Korg CM300 and the X8 I sometimes experience similar on ports where input gain is set to "high". On inputs with "low gain" setting, I cannot hear it. Maybe your input/track 5 is set to "high gain".
Oh yes you need the change the gain but it also depends on what sounds you like to record. Loud sounds is no issue but the quieter is is, the harder is to get good audio. Also the self noise is higher.
Both Good Points!🤔
Hmm close one but I think I’m gonna have to go with the zoom F3...arigato for sharing 😁
Good choice :)
Which is better overall?
Thanks for all your great videos! I am about to buy the Zoom F3, and I wondered what you would recommend recording stereo sounds, nature, ambiences etc. I would be looking more on the budget end, but am flexible. I just want clear recordings and low noise. Thanks :)
Hi Alex, thank you so much for watching. Hmm the Mic Boosters Clippies are a good start. We made a video with them inside a dummy head. Lom's Usi Pro are probably not available right now. But everything adds up if you want good wind protection. Did you watch the video about the 1000 budget? The 8022 is a wonderful microphone. Line Audio has a nice pair too.
@@FreeToUseSounds Thanks I did watch the video about the 8022 and I was interested in that also. I'm really looking to step up from my Zoom h1 for general stereo recordings, kind of all rounder mics. What would be the advantage of the 8022 vs the clippers for example? I guess as the two capsules are extremely close in the 8022 its more limited to get a wide stereo field?
And sorry to ask one more thing, but I also wanted a pair of pencil condensers, to use for simple recordings of live music with the F3, but also that would be useful in my studio, for recording instruments. Would you have any recommendations for this? I often see the Rode Nt5s and Oktavia Mk012s come up, would these be ones you'd choose or anything else?
I will stop bothering you after this :) Thanks again
@@AlexDelfont Hi Alex, we just bought a new Earthworks Microphone. The QTC50 is a beast but they have cheaper options as well. They look amazing and sound amazing. Check them out. People love Octavia microphones and I'm sure you can't go wrong with them. The advantages are that you can get a propper wind protection for it and it's a robust microphones with a wonderful sound quality. You can record very loud sounds with it too. You can also use it for a camera or even use it with the H1n since it has its own battery supply. So you could switch between XLR or 3.5 easily. The Clippys are omnis so you get a lot of ambiences with it but you would also figure out the right spacing. So you need to purchase a spacer. Rode has one but you can find cheaper ones too. It's really up to you what you want but the 8022 is just a wonderful allrounder microphone with an XY configuration.
@@FreeToUseSounds Thanks very much for all the info. Yeah the 8022 and its more expensive big brother looks great, but not the most portable solution. It would be nice to have one and they are reasonably priced, but I think something like the Clippies for very portable stuff too. Do you not get something like the Clippies or Lom Usi pros but in a single sort of unit, already in xy position, similar to the built in mics on many other recorders. Or maybe this is what you meant by the spacers, I will have to look into it :)
@@AlexDelfont Hi Alex, the clippys are omnidirectional microphones, so an XY position isn’t really something I would do with these microphones. Check out a post about different microphone polar patterns. Thats very important to learn so you understand what your microphone is capable of and what it actually records. DPA has a post about it but a couple YT videos are available too.
Hi! Tell me please, what the mic you attached on F3 at 4:05? Looks like perfect compact option for 32 bit recording setup %)
Hi! Oh that's the MKH 8040.
@@FreeToUseSounds Thanx!🔥
How do you process the 32 bit float audio? like what DAW do you use? Do you add compression, normalizing or any other digital enhancements to the clips?
Hi Dan! Almost all DAW's can process 32 bit recordings without any extra work. I use Audition, Reaper and Ableton to process my files. Audition for basic sound effects and ambience recordings, Reaper for Ambisonic, DMS for precut and finishing in Audition. Ableton for Sound Design. Sometimes I do normalize the recordings in Audition. It's super easy. We released a video about how I'm editing sound effects etc.
@@FreeToUseSounds cool thanks for the reply! I'm trying to make my binaural recordings channel better but it's difficult to learn how to do everything in production work for a good video. I think I have decent gear to get started it's easy to work with it on its own, just learning how to use everything together is the hardest part.
@@Dan_Sightsandsounds We totally understand. When doing all alone it can get tricky. We are two people and share the work load.
Great video! Zoom F3 is more detailed and versatile but Tascam X8 give a a poetic perspective and a soft perception of sounds. Thanks!
Your videos are as visually interesting as they are aurally. I can’t tell the difference on CZcams but I am a Tascam guy in general.
Thank you for watching!
Sorry for the newb question; why would there be a hum only on one channel? Does that mean there is a problem with the device??
Hi! Oh what hum?
Got the FLAC versions from your soundcloud and I think I prefer the Zoom F3.
What camera was this shot on? The video quality is gorgeous!
Thank you so much for watching. For this we used the Sony A7iv with a 16-35 mm Gmaster lens.
@@FreeToUseSounds That's a prime setup indeed. Inspiring production quality on all fronts, thank you for the passionate work :)
@@Rm3327films Thank you so much! Even there is so much new stuff coming out every year now, we stick with this setup for now.
What gear you use to record your voice in your vlogs?
This is the Rode Wireless Go 2. Yesterday the lav cable broke :(
Sir please make a video of field recording with Holland lark m1
Hi Vishwa, we won't make videos about such devices, sorry.
I'm Japanese
this video is very impressed
what camera do you use in this video?
Hello :) We used a Sony A74 & a Sony 16-35mm 2.8 G Master Lens
@@FreeToUseSounds thanks!
I noticed the same frequency limitation on my F3 when recording at 192 KHz. Using the same microphone on my Zoom F6 (Sennheiser MKH 8020) it goes past 75KHz and slowly tapers off unlike the steep cutoff on the F3. Kind of disappointing. BTW, were you able to get a Sanken CO-100K? Cheers from Tokyo.
Hmm, that’s interesting indeed. I tried really everything to get ANY Sanken but nothing :(. I just bought a QTC 50 from Earthworks.
Oooh love both but !! F3 win !
Thank you for sharing your opinion :)
Both are great, with the 2 dollar contact mic, i do like more the Zoom F3.
Really good recorders for content creators.
Is always a pleasure to see a video from you guys, have a good one!
Thank you Eduardo!
As far as can be judged from a youtube video, I think the F3 has a better tonal balance. The highs are coming through better and are better defined. Hoping for a good black friday deal somewhere for the F3.
More Japan-episodes on the way? Great place!
Thank you so much for watching and yes! We just published a new video! :)
I don't think there is a BL deal for these devices. The demand is too high and the supply is low. :(
What's the best lavalier microphone you've ever used?
DPA 4060 is the best I ever used but Sanken has some pretty good lav's too.
@@FreeToUseSounds Do you use DPA often? How long have you been using it? How about its durability?
@@ciekaweurzadzenia I have them since the beginning of 2018 and still use them.
@@FreeToUseSounds Great, I'm also considering buying a DPA
Which recorder do you like to use more often for XLR mics? Tascam X8 or small Zoom F3?
This MKH 8040 mic is over a grand . Surely this makes a big difference? But saying this both audio recorders sound virtually identical. Great video though.
Passionate
Hey Marcel and Libby, I feel the Zoom F3 was much better the sounds were better and more crisp. Looks like fun! Greg
Hi Greg! Thank you for sharing your thoughts with us. We already brainstorm about our next video :)
I feel like the tascam sounds alot like my dr-40x, whereas the f3 sounds a lot clearer and more natural. The menu on the f3 seems a bit finnicky though.
They really pushed the recorder to its limits in size. That's for sure :)
I only use my F3 with the app. As it should, given the larger screen of a phone, it's much more user friendly. Also, while making stealthy recordings I'm just another dude scrolling my phone.
@D R Yes, you need the BTA-1 adapter, or at least I don't know about any possibility to use a cable. The benefits for using the adapter weigh much more than its price, which is about 39 € at the moment, so for me it's a no brainer.
Why can I only display the frequency range on izotope to 20khz
Probably because you have your recorder selected on 44.1 or 48khz right?
F3 for sure.
14:49 what app is that so I can check my device?
Hi! Oh that's Adobe Audition. But you could also use RX. If you're looking for a free application, I think Audacity has a spectrogram as well.
@@FreeToUseSounds Thank you!
H3 has more depth to the sound.
TASCAM is out there, too - that said, the main appeal to me is the form factor. You can pull it out of your pants and start recording immediately anywhere.
I definitely would have both if I could afford them. :)
That’s true. I like that too that I can start recording right away.
Who is the photographer? I love your video! two recorder awesome! But I prefer zoom!
Lets see! I am in front of the camera. Now who do you think is behind? We're two people.
I enjoy both recorders, but the F3 is the winner with better Preamps-- the F3 was one of the smartest things Zoom has done to make 32bit recording widely accessible (read- Affordable) to all!!
Thats for sure Michael! I hope they make a H1n 32 bit version. This would be the next hit.
Does the zoom f3 have better preamps than the zoom h6?
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Bein' a Tascam Girl 4 MANY decades now, I find it hard to believe the ZOOM (which hasn't been around anywhere NEAR as long as Tascam -BTW), could even come CLOSE to the X8 -especially when comparing the two's GUIs & pricetags: MAJOR Game Changer -The ZOOM doesn't even make it into the ballpark!🙄... And besides, if I wanted more highs -I'd just take care of THAT in post with EQ or a High/Band-Pass filter!💃
Liked the F3 better in the lows but the X8 better in the highs
So getting both then :)
so nerdig und gleichzeitig herzlich. Herrlich!
Ha Ha! Danke Dir :)
Very nice and interesting, thank you. So Tascam on X8 has solved the problem only the latest ones and on the previous ones it cannot or does not want to intervene. If so, I will never buy Tascam again.
Thank you so much for sharing your thoughts. Maybe I should write TASCAM and ask if they can replace the unit I have. I'm in the land of Tascam but my hopes aren't high.
@fabimesizae Oh, so if I buy a new X8, the ultrasound problem is solved?
Do you know if the box has a production number that indicate newer batch?
@@shapelesscube I don't know that. You better reach out to the Tascam support and ask about that.
@@FreeToUseSounds I'll do that. . .
Thanks for a great and informative video, as always! :D
@@shapelesscube Please let us know how it goes. I hope they will respond.
F3 sounds better? Yes, but it’s also definitely louder! And louder is perceived as better sounding. Hmm.. 🧐
F3 sounds much better to my ears. I had the X8 but sold it because it was a little too big and the built in mics were not great.
I hope I can exchange my unit to a newer one.
@@FreeToUseSounds I hope so too. I didn't have any issues with sound quality out of my Tascam using XLR microphones. I am now using the F6 with a pair of nano microphones from Immersive Sound. Have you heard of them? It's looks like a small business out of France. They are INCREDIBLE and very inexpensive (less than $100 for the pair). They are perfect for stealth recording on a budget.
I was wondering why your face is like I know you. Antonio Banderas:)
This was great to listen to and watch. I'm gonna say that the Zoom F3 had the edge. I'd really like to get one of them because I'm tired of carrying the F6 only to use two channels.
Thank you so much for watching! I honestly don't like the fact that I can't adjust the gain at all. Taking away this function might be not the best. Especially when I started out I learned a lot how to set gain by just listening. The F3 takes it away.
@@FreeToUseSounds Ah, interesting. I didn't realise the F3 had no gain controls. That said, I've had recordings ruined on my F6 when the gain control has moved in my pouch. The knobs are really quite flimsy. And when using the DPA mics with those big clunky adapters, I've had crackling sounds too. I wondered whether a smaller device like the F3 would make it less error-prone.
Oh I would say you should give it a go for these reasons. I hope the F3 is available again.
The F6 also has the ability to receive Timecode via 3.5mm which makes a big difference if u need that feature (I do).
@@RandumbTech shame they're so hard to get a hold of these days! 😅 ordered my F6 back in June and im still waiting for it to arrive. Everywhere is the same though, clearly an in demand piece of kit!
Osaka sounds great!!!
It sure does and we can't wait to come back :)
Great video! 🎧 The Zoom F3 is the winner for me, much cleaner.
I'd recommend getting the BTA-1 for Bluetooth control. It's a game changer for controlling the F3 (Android & iOS) and will work with your F6 (iOS only 🙁).
Thank you so much for watching. Ah I'm loosing these small parts in a heart beat. I wish something like this could be already within the machine. Just like with the Sound Devices.
TASACAm sounded cleaner with the contact mic....
You mean the contact microphone?
@@FreeToUseSounds Yes I mean the Contact Mic.
Zoom F3
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Zoom sounded cleaner to me for the door sound
f3 is so good
f3 ftw
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seems the F3 has a little more punch than the Tascam
Oh yeah, I forgot to mention: I'm also a proud owner of the Tascam X8!😏
So glad you mentioned that! We truly appreciate you sharing this valuable information with us.
I like tascam more.
zoom f3 is better.
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