How to control USB MIDI hardware with an iPad
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- čas přidán 22. 01. 2020
- How to control USB MIDI hardware with an iPad (Gadget, Cubasis2, NanoStudio2, Beatmaker 3).
The iPad is one of the best mobile DAW option today. Still it is really a game changer when the iPad takes control of hardware synthesizers and drum machines. One SUPER feature of the iPad using USB compatible MIDI hardware is the naming of the devices. They simply appear with their real names. It makes selecting MIDI in and out real easy.
In this video I'll show you how to setup MIDI in and out for external USB synthesizers using Korg Gadget, Steinberg Cubasis 2, Blip interactive Nanostudio 2 and Intua Beatmaker 3.
If you have an USB MIDI hardware, test it with the iPad and go see if it is in the list of USB MIDI hardware natively compatible to iPad. www.nu-trix.com/usb-midi-synt... . If it is not please ad the info about your device!
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Really helpful info, thank you.
Fantastic discovery!!! I get your enthusiasm and see the potential
Great Review Still very usefull Merci
very usefull details! - Thank You
Hey Nutrix, thanks for all the great content. I'm new to synths but completely hooked! Glad though for the many options on iPad keeping me out of debt getting hardware. I did however get a Modal CraftSynth 2.0 as my first hardware and it shows up on iPad if connected via USB and actually is a great little MIDI controller because it has so many knobs and shift functions so it sends different CCs.
Thanks for the info. I’ll ad it to the list.
I connected the digitakt to the iPad direct. Works great as a audio interface and creating beats
I run an almost 100% Roland rig. One of the Biggest current criticisms of Roland is the fact that none of there stuff is Class Compliant. Apple products can't recognize them due to this fact. Roland's products run System Exclusive only, so you have to use Roland programs only. A bit frustrating to most people that use a DAW set up. I'm running a hardware only setup, so it doesn't bother me in the least. The sound that a lot 9f their synths make is incredible. I have a JP-8000 as well as 2 Alpha Junos, some of the boutiques, an old MC-303 And the new MC-707 as well as the TR-8. I know one of the. Complaints about the 707 is that it's not class Compliant either. But to each his own. I'm happy with my setup. Keep up the informative videos NuTrix! See you on here soon! Cheers!
Class compliance
Hi, great vid. What I do instead is this: I use the app KRFT, and I send MIDI over usb to Korg electribe, roland boutiques. Just these 2 machines tested. I tried with other apps like gadget but I wasn't able yet. I have to look the video again and follow your suggestions...
This video could not come at a better time,. I just invested some money on used gear but I don’t have a brain to control my devices. But I do have an iPad, MacBook Air and Mini. I too have found my Roland gear (MC 101 and TR6S) aren’t recognized unless I set the 101 to generic mode. Going to look at your website and do some more testing today to see if I can use the iPad with AUM or Audiobus to be the brains until my wallet heals and can get a dedicated piece of hardware. Thank you!
Fantastic! Thanx! I got my new 12,9 2020 today and needed some positive input. Cheers 🍻 from Norway 🇳🇴
I normally control TR-8S and other Roland stuff with the USB to MIDI adapter UM-ONE mk2 😉
Can you use more than one UM-ONE mk2 fro Roland gear at the same time? I have a TR-8 and an SE-02. Then I have other synths as well
Every time I want to buy Bass Station I am buying different synth :) I hope it finally come to my shelf... ;)
It is really a great analog mono synth !
Oh yeah!
Is there a way to use the iPad Garageband Guitar/Bass/Strings interface to control hardware synths? It'd be great to use those instrument-like interfaces
Great setup buddy, I do the same, but I use a 2in2out midi usb interface to connect gadgets to a nord rack2x and a volca beats, then usb to the Behringer crave (arrived yesterday). And 2 usb keyboards because I like using both hands :-) Then WiFi synch with gadgets on an iPad mini, which I only use as carrier for my vocoder (I love kraftwerk :-))
Only problems are: 1) I am not able to send the clock to the volca beats and the crave, so I can use them only as sound module. 2) I can only use 3 channels on the nord rack. If I use 4 the midi freezes...annoying...but I still have lots of fun :-)
Cool setup! The volca Beats MIDI IN is connected to which MIDI out? When you say “then USB to the Crave” how is that USB connected ? A USB hub that is connected to the iPad? If it’s MIDI channel 4 freezes from the Nord rack it is usually because it is retransmitting something and you get a MIDI loop. Check your setting specific for the channel 4. Hope this helps.
Nu-Trix The Synth Guy thanks for replying. Yes i have a 4 ports usb hub connected to the ipad. It is connected to the crave, to the midi 2in2out, an oxigen61 and a novation 25slmk. The 2 midi outs of the midi hub go to volca beats and nord rack. I think I have resolved the clock problem with Audiobus3 + the synth tool, an app from Behringer (as I said I just got the crave yesterday and still finding my way through it). I will look at the midi settings for the nord rack. Thing is that only gadgets gives me that problem. Flmobile and beat maker have no problems handling all 4 channels...but gadgets is so great, you know...:-)
Have u tried mapping the drum gadgets to drum pads on a keyboard. I’m using a keylab49 but the pads don’t work for drums, just chords.
the only thing i see on the gadget taipey midi out is a choice between. gadget self. and midi network session, but what to do with midi network session?
Hello, I have an issue with my setup maybe you have the solution. I'm using a dawless setup and what to use the iPad to record my jams. I baught a steinberg ur22c and grabbed cubasis. So far so good. Now comes the issue. The interface does not send midi clock to the gear, witch I find very disappointing. Is it possible to send midi clock over usb to my machines? Btw I want to send clock to my digitakt, because it is the master to the rest
Awesome! Would this work with iPad version of GarageBand? Or Logic Pro
Man! Thanx! Very useful. I never combined iPad world with hardware world. Do u have any tempo sync problems when internal iPads sequences play simultaneously with hardware clocks? Any latency problems? Thanx in advance!
It is mostly like running a daw or a dedicated stand alone sequencer.
Hi there, I saw some tutorials showing how to combine AUM with Cubasis for recording. But why should I use both of them and not using only Cubasis for example?
It is a personal choice . When people want to have more routing options they go for AUM (almost modular) and if they want to have a more traditional DAW experience they stay in Cubasis.
Hi, NANOSTUDIO (iPad) , it goes as far as : midi output device - hydrasynthexplorer (my hardware) - midi output channel ...1...2...etc and here it is mute, I am trying to get sound from my hydrasynth and I am miserable at it. Can you please fix me?
I know my roland mc-707 shows up on my ipad using a powered usb hub connection to AUM ... but you have to first enable the MIDI out on the USB port and change the System Setting "USB Driver" to GENERIC, MIDI sync out is ON, track channel is set to correct MIDI channel. Unit E has some great short videos showing how to do this on the 707. So is it out of the box showing up? I'd say no. But with a few global parameter changes, yes. I really do prefer devices that just work with USB out of the box, without any drivers, aka class compliant.
You are right. But I understand why Roland does it this way. By default it has the complete USB features activated (need drivers) and it can be change to class compliant (simplified USB features) for long term usability even after the drivers will stop being updated .
I have the technics kn1400 midi keyboard but i dont know how to connect it to my i pad, the technics has no usb
Zeissler Media, you will need to ad a USB MIDI interface so the iPad has MIDI in and out.
Can't get MIDI out from the ipad. I'm trying to use a LaunchKey mini over Garageband and connected to a RC600 from Roland, I can get MIDI Clock out but no midi info. So no drums for my rythm seccion in the RC.
I’m guessing the drum in the RC is on channel 10. Are you sending you MIDI notes on channel 10 from GarageBand?
a question: is it possible to use an iPad as a midi controller / keybord for an iPad? Let me explain, I would like to use an old iPad as a midi keyboard, to control the app to make music on another iPad, is it possible?
Yes. 2 ways to do it: 1- you need 2 MIDI interface (one for each iPad) and run them like to MIDI devices. 2 - you use MIDI over network and run MIDI on Wifi or Bluetooth between the 2 iPads. Could be less stable if your in a place with interference or on a busy network.
When you connect the ipad on one of the usb ports on a hub instead of connecting to the main usb connection, What will become of it? Will it still be able to do the same things along with the other connected devices?
I believe it does work the same
Is it possible to sequence the hardware synth with the midi clip on Nano Studio 2 ?
Yes there are some ways to send the MIDI clip from the NANO STUDIO 2 to an hardware synth.
Hi, with the ipadOS 14 released recently, I get a message of" this device is not supported by the Ipad" when connected to my midi keyboard, it does have power by itself, and used to work fine. Now with the latest update, it does not. Does the powered USB hub would resolve it?. I've read the IpadOs 14 actually raises the power treshold for connecting stuff to the ipad.
When using a powered USB hub I was able to power up my iPad and my audio interface. I am using a first Gen 12inch iPad Pro.
I’m finding attaching my skulpt problematic the modal app isn’t seeing it.
First steps in troubleshooting usb: 1- try with another usb cable that you know is ok. 2- try connecting the USB directly to the computer. (No hub) 3- shut down all devices and computer, connect everything then turn everything on again.
You're the perfect person to help me out with a few questions I know won't be too difficult for you to answer. First of all, you can add Peak and the Hydra are supportive with the iPad to answer your question :) Question: I am getting a Keystep Pro and I want to use both that and an Ipad running some apps like Fugue to control my Peak, Hydra, and microkorg. Do you have a suggestion on what best way to connect everything? Also, my Peak can receive USB midi from my iPad just fine but it doesn't seem to send it thru to other synths for my iPad to read - so I can only control that one synth. The hyrdasynth can also do this but the same issue. So I'm guessing I need that hub right? Thanks for any help.
Yes. You'll need an USB hub
@@Nu-trix Thax...What about any other info on the best way to set up an iPad with Keystep pro to control three hardware synths - Peak Hydra and Microkorg? thx
@@GrootsieTheDog You will have to use the KEystep as the MIDI source and then decide where to end it.
@@Nu-trix Yes, I know that, thx. I was asking how you would use both the iPad and the keystep as a controller at the same time. but independent of each other. I am guessing that I would need to basically split up the usb from the iPad into the usb connections of the hydra and peak and then midi 5 pin daisy chain the keystep. But I was wondering if there might be another way.
@@GrootsieTheDog the main problem is the fact that most device are made to use USB MIDI just to exchange with one computer and make that computer the center of the MIDI patching. If you can setup inside your DAW the complete routing for your rig than perfect. If not, you might have to set it up so your IPad is a dedicated Hardware sequencer among other MIDI devices and use classic 5PIN DIN MIDI. You will then need some sort of MIDI patchbay or interface to interconnect all the MIDI devices .
would this also work in garage band for ipad?
Yes. It is system wide but the visual interface might be different.
ok i hook my samsung i pad to my yamaha keyboard using m-audio usb/in and out back to my keyboard but what i'm missing cant transfer any sound to my i pad
MIDI USB is for MIDI only, no sound.
after that i purchase a M-track solo interface and still no sound why,
Luckily all my music/synth hardware is class compliant. Everything’s is working out of the box perfectly with the iPad via USB.
No Problem with Dave Smith Prophet 12, Prophet Rev2, Pro 2
Elektron Gear like Digitakt, Digitone, Analog Four,
Waldorf Blofeld and Kyra (Kyra including 8 Part Multitimbral Audio Output via USB)
Synthstrom Deluge, 1010 Blackbox...
I did not own any Roland Gear... 😎
Thanks for the info. I’ll ad it to the list in my web site.
Hi Nutrix. I want to buy my first ios device it's will be iphone 8 plus for money I have. Could advise me please, which model is most compatible to using external hardware synths and iPhone? 🙏Thank you.
The iPad and iPhone will work with any audio and MIDI interface that are USB class compliant (does not need drivers) I really like the Roland Rubix serie because it has audio and MIDI on the same box. But there is a lot of options out there!
Hey there! Is it possible for me to route audio and MIDI from an app in my iPad (the Koala app, for example) to the MX-1 or TR-8? One thing to route music through, but another to have it sync to MIDI. Thanks, sir; informative video here.
Because the MX-1 and TR-8 both need a driver for a computer (or iPad) to work and none exist for the iOS or iPadOS., you will need a dedicated audio and midi interface compatible to iPadOS. It has to be USB class compliant. Most of the audio interface for iPad do not have MIDI. I use the Roland Rubix 22 with my iPad 2 combo ins (line or preamp), 2 outs and MIDI IN and OUT.
@@Nu-trix Okay then, Rubex just ordered. I have a Zoom U-44 that is class compliant that I can use to test out the iPad, in the meantime. Thanks for the helpful info.
I’ve gotten too ambitious for my own good! I am missing something. I have the TR-8 going. I have a MIDI cable going into the TR-8’s MIDI OUT and the Zoom U-44’s IN. I have the Zoom U-44 plugged into the USB-C port on the iPad and it’s found. I have Koala running, but there doesn’t seem to be any obvious setting to have it talk with the TR-8. What am I missing? Thanks!
Tour physical Connection seans to be right. Now it would be a MIDI configuration setting. What is it you what exactly? The TR-8 controlling Koala? Then check that they both use the same MIDI channel. If you want the Koala to be play in sync with the TR-8 then one of the two must be MIDI Clock master and the other has to follow it.
@@Nu-trix Indeed, I’d like Koala to play in sync with the TR-8, but there isn’t a setting built into the app itself. I’ve been told that I may have to do it via AUM, which I never really used before. I was hoping that since my iPad Pro is connected to the U-44, that somehow its MIDI connection would help aid locking Koala in time with the TR-8 somehow.
The TR8s doesn't show up!!? Oh man!! I wonder if the updates that have come out since this video have changed that..
The TR-8S has never been USB compliant for the iOS. It would need a driver (that only exist for PC and MAC)
@@Nu-trix Thanks for clarifying. How about if I connect my iPad to a class compliant device then MIDI out from it to the TR8s?
It should work. That is how I do it.
@@Nu-trix Thanks!😊🙏
Je pense que tu peux faire marcher la TR-8S sur ce setup en changeant le mode USB en INDIV au lieu de ASSGN. Par contre la mx-1 ne propose pas cette option 😭
Mais pour que le TR8s envoi des pistes audio séparées via USB, il faut qu’il soit branché à un ordi qui a le pilote déjà installé.
@@Nu-trix a oui la tu perds cette fonction par contre. Mais ya pas des convertisseur midi Din pour iPad pour ce genre d'incompatibilité ? J'était parti pour m'acheter une MPC one mais un setup a base d'ipad a l'air très cool aussi du coup j'hésite.
Si tu utilises le MIDI sur DIN (le bon vieux MIDI) il ne te manque qu’un interface MIDI compatible iPad et le tout est fonctionnel. Pour ma part, j’ai une interface Roland Rubix22 (2 ins, 2 outs +!MIDI in et out.) ca marche très bien. Mais il faut tout de même avoir un hub USB actif pour fournir l’électricité au Rubix
@@Nu-trix rah j'hésite 😅 merci pour les info 👍
Now we need great sequencer apps like Riffer to do multi-timbral and polyphonic MIDI sequencing via iPad.
Why actually you need Riffer above any other sequencer?
@@montazownianr1 Randomness. Otherwise, apps like Gadget do the trick for multi-timbral.
Is there a dedicated piece of hardware to control iOS music apps that have midi learn that’s only fader/slide knobs?
Something like the Korg Nanokontrol studio
Thank you
Too bad all these Roland products have those proprietary drivers, be it for USB audio or midi. There is no real technical reason why they don't present class compliant interfaces via their firmware. Hopefully Roland will at least add generic mode like on some of their synths (Juno-DS), to allow iOS devices to communicate with their hardware.