How Science Explains Spirituality | Rupert Sheldrake
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- Rupert Sheldrake explains the science behind spiritual practices.
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Is science necessarily at odds with the spiritual? Rupert Sheldrake combines scientific research and his knowledge of mystical traditions to argue that we can experience higher states of consciousness and a realm where we might finally find life's meaning.
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Rupert Sheldrake is author of 'The Science Delusion' and 'Ways to Go Beyond'. New Scientist described him as 'an excellent scientist; the proper, imaginative kind that in an earlier age discovered continents'.
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I love Rupert. A worldly man in the truest sense of the world. Such a supple, accommodating, non-judgmental mind. A wonderful human.
I love him too, and defended him against radical atheists recently. I softened at least one's attitude, pointing out he's not a religious zealot.
I agree with you he shows you the evedence so you understand how he comes to hir opinions never forse fet his beleafes i wish all men of sience would learn from him.
You truly define the word lost.
Yeah you be a hue man. I will just be man.
What is a hue. It is the shade of a color. The color being man in the word human. So you by defining yourself as a human. Are giving up any right that is granted by the Creator. Because you are not made or just the shade of one.
I know I know. You are so embedded in the material realm that you not only disagree but think I am likely a nutter. And that’s a good thing as I would be scared if a person had my understanding of thinks and made the comment you did.
So supple
It's such a blessing to be able to move away from organized religion and its dogma into a deep spiritual discovery of self and our place in the larger "collective consciousness." No more ancient folklore beliefs, no pressure to force your mind into contradictory and often harsh and cruel dogma - only a continuing, genuine discovery about what's real and lasting in our deeper awareness and our personal connection to God.
I think it's less about having a religious belief and more about the positive moods and feelings associated with acts like praying, feeling associated with an acceptable world view and feeling apart of something good that is larger than oneself. Those with hateful belief systems might pray for bad things, and give into more modes of thought and emotion that induce stress onto the physiological, stress causes lives to be shorter and people to become more aggressive and undeniably less happy.
William I absolutely love what you’ve written here. I struggled for years with religious belief and it wasn’t until about 35 years of age that things began clicking for me. I realized that religion is about serving an external dual God/Devil which man uses as as a fear tactic. Feeling ever condemned is not empowering imo. Spirituality is about realizing that the creator is within all and requires cultivation through discipline. These disciplines are different for everyone however thankfully I’ve discovered what’s best for me. Your comment really put a smile on my face, thank you for sharing your lovely insights 😊
But why do think that we as humans naturally gravitate towards a good, religious belief and why is it that stress and evil is taxing on life. Why don't we live in a world where good causes shorter lifespans? Why might the universe be created in that way?
Why are the parameters for the universe such that we see? And why are they so favourable for the development of religion
Scientific research is best tool for judging worldly things but spirituality is beyond this 👍🏻
There is Science of Spirituality, explaining subtle worlds.
I find it funny that scientific orthodoxy automatically categories spirituality or phenomena that can't be easily tested as magic or superstition, but was fine with suddenly having to admit that 95% of what holds the universe together is missing and suddenly classed as dark matter.. and they have no problem believing in that.
Your little rant is a bit dishonest.
“They have no problem believing in that…[Dark Matter]”
First, it’s mostly Dark Energy that scientists claim the universe is compromised of. Not DM:
67% Dark Energy
28% Dark Matter
5% Matter
Second, they (scientists) “have no problem believing that” because they can actually test it via galaxy clusters and then use simple math from there to find averages. That quickly tells you that a certain percent of the Net Energy/Density of the universe is made up of matter (about 5%). Whatever number is left over, is the percentage of that universe that ISN’T made of normal baryonic matter (95%)
Next you measure how fast galaxies are spinning. It turns out they are spinning way too fast. Much much faster than they should be without the outer stars and gas all getting thrown out and ejected into the vastness of space. Gravity isn’t strong enough to hold down things at that speed. Well, you can calculate how much faster it’s going vs. the speed it’s supposed to be rotating. That answer will tell you that there’s obviously some “hidden gravity” or something similar out there that we have yet to discover. This is what we call Dark Matter.
Lastly, the universe should be slowing down the speed at which it’s expanding. But it’s not. It’s actually getting faster and this is absolutely fucking with every scientist in the world because it’s a complete mystery as to why it’s speeding up. It’s as if there is some growing field or force that we can’t detect at all and is very pervasive all throughout the entirety of the universe causing it to expand. They call this “Dark Energy”
So, again, Dark Energy and Matter make up the remaining 95% of the universe that regular matter doesn’t. And with some more math they can figure out approx how much of each (which I listed above)
@@Sinnbad21 OK dark energy and dark matter then. And not ranting, I just said it's funny, which it is.
@Terre Schill Exactly, it's still admitting that 90 whatever percent of what we thought was there is missing, then just giving it a name.
@Terre Schill zero problem as my comment says, its funny being that scale of wrong about state of universe, and still not open minded about telepathic realm etc that Rupert mentions.
@@snails9505 I updated my first response btw if you wanna check it out
If you hold anger or disbelief toward spiritual practice, well that just allows a clear understanding for me, because this, whether you know this yourself or not, tells me that you are solely curious. You deep down know that you want such a beautiful thing to be true, but on the surface you think that it’s too good to be true. Scientific breakthroughs have time and time again gotten us closer to proving these beliefs, which is grand, but science aside, the truth is, not everyone can understand these things. Not everyone can understand even modern physics, but, everyone can believe, and it is simply that which we need. Because the truth is, it all starts with a belief, a spark of hope for the light, something that science has dampened so horribly, because the surface is all that the average scientific mind can explain. And when that is all people see, that is all people believe.
I agree that some spiritual practices have scientific background like meditation or stretching yoga but spirituality is also full of mysticism and metaphysics like One Consciousness, karma, rebirth or spiritual vibration. One of personaly infuriating things is some spiritual gurus say that they spiritual world view ( yogic philosophy for example ) is more supperior then modern science or they misuse scientific terms to explain they jumbo limbo spiritual mysticism. Yes science is not perfect system of knowledge but it proves more then any religious belief.
Yo and don't forget wester ego. The fact that outsiders belief and practises are more superior then wester, infuriates some of us. Westerners didn't wanted to admit that Indian or Chinese empires build huge structures and leaded to scientific pursuit while we were just a wandering pagan tribes. So theory of ancient astronauts was born. 👽
Science thumpers are close minded and clueless who base their life on nothing but theories
@@chaoticneutral7573 You don't know what you are talking about.
Wow, this video really opened my eyes to the connection between science and spirituality! Rupert Sheldrake does an amazing job explaining how our spiritual practices can be backed by scientific evidence. I can't wait to watch the full talk and learn even more. Thank you for sharing this insightful content!
If you've ever been curious about who you truly are, then this is something that you NEED to see...
Science can explain some effects of spirituality of course, but essentially only spiritually can explain science and not vice versa. This is because before one can explain anything it has to have consciousness first - it is consciousness that perceives and cognises.
totaly agree
“Things” don’t “have” consciousness. Only consciousness has consciousness.
@@bornuponawave Things do have consciousness or don't. Things are perceptions of non-self. For example the sign "+", table, car etc do not have consciousness of its own.
For the sake of better expression, it can be said that consciousness has self-awareness.
Yep. Bernardo Kastrup actually discusses the metaphysical primacy of consciousness very rigorously (a modern take on metaphysical idealism basically).
Locking perception to consciousnesd is weird. You're argument is that a tree must have spiritualism in order to possess consciousness inorder to detect the sun setting and thus change it's breathing cycle.
What a fantastic talk from a lovely, affable, funny and genuine guy. God bless the man!
Much more inspiring than the average sermon from a traditional clergyman
don't know about that... go listen a sermon from a swami from advaita vedanta tradition... he will keep hammering you with "you are god" from all angles.. don't know if there is anything more inspiring than that...
"ATMAN IS BRAHMAN", "YOU ARE IT", ... yeah give it to me daddy
you obviously know nothing about Professor Sheldrake.
Thank you for giving the due credit to India for the spread of spiritual practices and knowledge it has given and help spread throughout the world!
Spirituality did not originate in India. Many indigenous cultures have been practicing spirituality and meditation for centuries.
@@livingrateful maybe you need learn how to read,again. i do not use the word origin. you misinterpret things completely.
Can you tell me when he gives credit to India?
That first one was a zinger haha reminded me of something Terence or Ralph would say too 🤣 you guys are so funny and smart I love it! 💕 “Religion For Atheists?” That’s so perfectly awesome! Yes, Flow...IM SO THANKFUL FOR YOU RUPERT AND THE TRIALOGUES! They helped me on my journey so much! Rupert is going for the win in this presentation...👍🏻 Battlestar Galactica paid homage to the “Sweet Spot” in sports to Samuel Anders “Moments of Perfection.” So wonderful!
Thank you Rupert.
I respect to Dr. Rupert sheldrake a master of science and spirituality. Mostly I would like to welcome him to India again and live with me.
Thank you so much🙏💕
I am somebody who doesn't believe in Gods, angels or ghosts. I also understand that being positive is very beneficial for your mind. If you can create a healthy, focused mind through meditation like I do, it's important that the meditation has no boundaries for it to be pure.. Believing in the supernatural can't possibly allow you to be one with your surroundings if you are part of a creation that suggests restrictions. You are as much a constant in this universe as the stars and galaxies that have tried to fill it. If you're reading this, know that we are one
Elaborate on death , it will be a scary part for you since your spiritual side won't die
Well, my spiritual side will die with me obviously. It's our mind, our brain that gives us spirituality. When we get goose bumps while listening to a certain song, feel emotional when watching a certain movie, feel anger when we see somebody being mistreated, be in absolute awe of an incredible piece of artwork or the comforting thought of having a creator who is watching over us. I believe everybody can be spiritual without the need for religion, because that's what I think it is, 'A need'. It can be very difficult for most to come to terms with the idea that we will one day no longer exist. That's normal.. But try and remember what it was like before you were born. We have more experience being dead than alive. So grab this rare opportunity and be the best example of you
@@DrStoned1 ur spiritual side is the metaphysical part in you that can't be explained by simple chemicals , my friend try to investigate religions instead of making your own Religion and following your own desires , that's subjective af , if you believe in spirituality you should believe it can't come from physical aspect of being , try to investigate god , religions and the life after death instead of following ur one mind and desires because they are misleading
@Aldo malarkey
But that doesn’t make sense, if we’re "rare" and just meat robots shouldn’t we not have free will ?
Excellent.... thanks 🙏.
i practice the time honored mediation on traffic lights. I get into the car and find a city street with lots of lights. At each stop light I come to a pause in my day and mediate on gratitude. Of course, many times I am brought out of my meditative trance by the sound of beep beep beep. I am full of gratitude, although not so sure about the people behind me.
Dear dr rupet sir we love you
nice content
Rupert sheldrake thank you for this talk .
If we must be scientific on our approach, understand the very scientific ways of the real science of yoga (Meditation, knowledge, devotion, pranayama).
Grazie! Grazie 🙏
This guy is great 😊
I will give the gratefulness list or letter idea a try. Mine will take a long time to write.
The link to the full video is not working (the page loads, the video does not). Can anyone help me find the whole talk?
interesting 😮
"A gap where grace ought to be" unfortunately sounds like of most of modern culture.
Peace
God bless
saw the old video where the discssio was going on with j krishnamurthi and sir rupert was astoinshed by their intellect. and now here is sir rupert talking about spirituality.
“Militant atheism should come with a health warning”. Brilliant.
As a general principle of truth, the misrepresentation of the sacred is an aphorism because the sacred won’t permit it. This is not a paradox, it is the absolute of all absolutes in its own nobility
I'm chary about gratitude, lest what I'm grateful for be taken away.
The title, "How Science Explains Spirituality", is misleading. That sounds like this is about scientific evidence for why spirituality came to be and exists, which isn't addressed here. A more accurate title would have been "Why Spiritual People May be Happier"
This is one of 14 practices, as he clearly said. I assume scientific evidence is in the book, as this is a summary of the concept based on 1 of 14 practices
An interesting talk for sure, but not related to the title "How science explains spiritually". He talked mostly about gratitude, not necessarily a spiritual attribute at all. Science was mentioned, spirituality was mentioned, how science explains spirituality was not mentioned!
And then there's the different ways we find ourselves in meditation or in silence, the point is to feel the silence, even if for brief seconds or milliseconds everyday.
It's getting harder to find a quiet space these days.
Giving more than taking...
Being kind is its own reward...
Avoid enmity...
Assisting those that you can...
Empathize with suffering people...
Be in the midst of beauty and/or create something beautiful...
Apologizing when appropriate...
Take time to still your mind...
Is this spirituality or good advice for eliminating anxiety?
Can an atheist do these things?
Does one have to lower egoism before one can do these things? Or does one lower egoism by doing these things?
Is egoism THE problem?
This is very enlighten. Greeting from Toronto (◕◡◕✿)
Spiritually would explain the whole of science, if one reaches a heightened sense of spirituality it would explain science in one sentence
I will be nice so just ask the question
If the study of science Is understanding our physical world, then would not it be extremely ignorant let along impossible for people to try to apply a scientific understanding of the spiritual realm and those things of it?
Spiritual Knowledge - Concepts of Science… (Excerpt from message of Shri Datta Swami)
Science is the logical analysis of the items existing in this creation based on only one authority that is perception (Pratyaksha Pramanam). Even in the ancient logic, all the authorities (Pramanas) are based on perception only. You see the fire giving smoke. This is deduction or perception. When you see the smoke coming from a distance and do not see the fire, you say that fire exists there and this is induction or inference (Anumana Pramanam). But this induction is based on your previous deduction only. Somebody says to you that fire gives smoke. If that person is your dearest, you believe it and infer the fire from the smoke. This is authority of word ‘Shabdha Pramanam’.
Though you have not seen the fire, your dearest person has seen the smoke coming from fire. Like this all the authorities are based on perception only. I do not find any scripture of any Religion, which contradicts the experience of perception. There are four ways of authority. 1) Sruthi, which is the original scripture. 2) Smrithi, which is the commentaries of Scholars on the original scripture. 3) Yukthi, the logical analysis based on deduction, induction etc., 4) Anubhava, the experience based on the perception of the items in this world, which may be direct or indirect. Out of these four ways, the fourth way is the most powerful. If anything contradicts the fourth way, that is not valid or it may be a misinterpretation based on misunderstanding of the Sruthi or Smrithi or Yukthi. Thus Science and Philosophy are not separate. The very frame of the spiritual knowledge is Science only. Thus Science is the basic foundation and over all underlying structure of all the Scriptures.
A true Scientist should always stand on the perception and should not deny the experience derived by perception. If he denies, he is not a scientist. All top most scientists were philosophers and spiritual people only. Those scientists have travelled along the river of Science and reached its end, which is the ocean of spiritual knowledge called as philosophy. Philosophy is pervading all the branches of Science. Every branch of Science gives Ph.D as the final degree. Ph.D means Doctor in Philosophy. If Science and Philosophy are different, why this word Philosophy is regarded so much by all the branches of Science? Philosophy means the essence of the knowledge of every branch that is experienced when one reaches the end of that branch.
Therefore, the spiritual knowledge, which is the ocean, is the Philosophy in which all branches of Science and all the Religions merge and loose their identity. A scientist who has not reached the end of Science and who is still traveling in the river only denies the existence of the ocean, since he is still perceiving the limiting boundaries of his knowledge - river. Such river-travelers are called as atheists.
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Yes
The primary purpose to assist at Traditional Latin Mass is to
Thank God
The Finite cannot penetrate the Infinite-The small projects upon the great and can only come up with a small answer.
Dream means = individual soul belief, spiritual awaking belief, evils Spirit belief,. Soulmate belief.
Reality is, soul has no gender.
In the dream we experience the soul.
How can experience be a soul ?
The work of the soul is to be experienced.
The soul cannot be experienced.
Spiritual awaking is awaking from the dream of thought.
I have questions for you
You can be an atheist and still be spiritual. Spirituality existed as long as the earliest religions. I'm surprised a scientist can't grasp this.
Spirituality came before religions, its an innate part of being human, we are spirit, all living entities are spirit, our personalities are what some call the "soul". What I call the spiritual essence of the individual.
Nonsens !
It depends, like a difference between Newton, Niels Bohr, Immanuel Kant, Einstein and Schopenhauer, Dostoevsky, Sartre et cetera. In any case, everyone is talking about the same things.
@@GCU-YouNaughtyMonsters The best scientist is an ex-scientist. The part of the same project.
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what a great way to conflate 'spirituality' with science, akin to mixing oil and water droplets by force or mixing milk with lemon, the result is distasteful and leads to cognitive dissonance since the arbitrary term 'spirituality' is based on personal impression and belief system while science is externally verified.
The paradoxical equivalence/inequality between rational understanding and the awareness of deep meaning expresses an autonomous and self-perpetuating means of creation, and it is from this struggle and disequilibrium that our awareness is generated. Memory and meaning persist in the contradictory condition of necessarily being in balance, yet fundamentally unable to be so, and it is from this paradoxical state that existence explodes into being. In other words, the meaning why existence exists, or why any phenomenal entity arises at all, must, yet cannot, perfectly correlate with the reason how it exists, and this is, as far as I can tell, the fundamental truth underlying the notion of all causality. I discuss a similar topic on my channel.
Spirituality can explain science but science can’t explain spirituality. It’s easy to conclude which one is limited.
Is spirituality a means to an end or an end itself? According to the lecturer, it appears to be a means to good health and happiness.
I think doing these things are "good." I don't care whether they lower my BP or strengthen my immune system. Being virtuous is a stand-alone good. And...I'm an American atheist.
Gratitude is mention 260 times in the Bible
Everything costs something
Hi. Gratitude has the intrinsic virtue of humility,; honesty has an even deeper satisfaction because it is a decision to abide by the law of truthfulness, truth being God's nature. The greatest destroyers of happiness are dishonesty and malice, the latter being like having a wrecking company set up shop in your home. Cheers, P.R.
I love him
Maybe it is sociology but not a real thinking about spirituality : which is certainly not a "feel good movie" - on the contrary it is anxiety and ascetism, the gratitude is the top of the mountain.
He is mixing religion with spirituality.
Only truly spiritual people will have a true understanding of life...
2 sides of the same coin
We are made up of body, spirit and soul...we were created in the image of God...and gratitude is a characteristic we may have or give...depends...
this title is misleading
God's free will sovereignty
No one inspires truly intense eye-rolling as much as this guy. Maybe Peterson comes close.
All "spiritual practice" is oriented toward material goals as all thought or mental activity exists as a type of fine matter related to a personal craving, it is material. What you call spirit cannot be known or experienced, certainly no mental practice or technique can reveal spirit to the mind or experiencing apparatus. Meditation is a fixation on some ideal or aspect of the mind (like gratitude or happiness) and this fixation to make these impermanent ideals permanent has ultimately poor effects on the health and puts a false sense of spiritual enlightenment when it is literally impossible to use a thought to stop thought, you are only kept in the loop of a thought which divides you from spirit. So, science cannot reveal or say a single thing at all about spirit, nor can any words or knowledge.
Meditation in its truest sense is not a practice or something you do, because you “are” meditation.
@@bornuponawave if meditation is what i am then meditation is nothing and there's no reason to ever use that word
orgnsm mediation is consciousness.
@@bornuponawave Consciousness is another speculative word that means nothing and has no usefulness.
orgnsm you can use “awareness” if you’d like.
Advaita vedanta! Non seperation! You are not something or someone that exists separately from the universe. You are that!
American Forefathers eventually found themselves spiritualist found spirituality in nature
Material objects do not have consciousness. Only Consciousness has consciousness.
GOD is clearly described in the GOSPEL.....
GOD is of LIGHT
GOD gives LIFE
GOD is OMNI-PRESENT
THEREFORE to describe GOD ....SCIENTIFICALLY
as per the description in the GOSPEL is so simple
our AURA....
AURA is of LIGHT
AURA gives LIFE
AURA is OMNI-PRESENT
WE ALL HAVE THE AURA
GOD is not and has never been a being.....
GOD is a LIFE FORCE
GOD is an ENERGY
in the form of OUR AURA
I really thought everyone knew this how can people not know this
GOD is of LIGHT
AURA is of LIGHT
GOD gives LIFE
AURA gives LIFE
GOD is OMNI-PRESENT
AURA is OMNI-PRESENT
It's true that Sam Harris makes his audience laugh more than Rupert's audience.
'Spirituality' is the ego-verbiage of the materially advantaged.
Hey, I’m really interested in this little sentence of yours. Would you mind expanding on this? Thanks. ☺️
@@timeittakestoletgo1687 'Spiritual' people tend to be materially privileged isn't this obvious?
Then let's make America grateful!(of course, the one occupying the White House would rather grate on other's nerves!).
How was that science explaining spirituality? A study showed gratitude made people happy for two months? A joke it is!
Mostly empty jargon and psuedoscience, deepak Chopra do better job than this