SU-27 FLANKER IS INSANE | Extreme Maneuverability
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The next major update for War Thunder - 'Air Superiority'!
SU-27 FLANKER
Thumbnail Credit - live.warthunder.com/post/1090... - Hry
Just like the F-111
drop and disappear
(Yes this was intentionally double cuz it’s Christmas)
thats foir the cash! and support man much hardddd smooth love
@@PhlyDaily you’re welcome Sir 🫡
@@PhlyDaily Why you never fly in the cockpit ?
my man,youre one chad for supporting phly
Its not modeled yet so you cant enter cockpit view @musolo78
*TY MarsFromAPhar for an awesome dogfight in the Eagle!*
NOOOO WAYYYYYYYYYYYY YWWWWWW
@@marfromaphar6788Imma sniff u
He almost had you in that phly, you both did good though :)
well thats confirmed ur russian bias
I JUST SAW IN THAT PART OF THE VIDEO I WAS THINKING ISNT THAT MAR?
The flanker is so beautiful floating through the air man 😩 like a falling leaf
Just watch how it soar
I remember seeing Phly playing the tiger in WT for the first time and younger me always wanting to play this game. Here we both are with these Beasts in the air!
id rather have another tiger, top tier just aint fun anymore, missile rng similator :/ wish there was a top tier mode where aams could be toggled for gun only games
@@nmspy cry more
I found him when he copped the F-4C & MiG-21 F-13 😫 good times
@@nmspy learn to crank and notch buddy
@@nmspy have you tried DCS? its really fun. makes warthunder look like world of tanks.
the SU-27s maneuverability doesnt really suprise me really, its always been known for the really good maneuverability
Worse than the f16 I dogfight these things regularly in the dev server and I have yet to lose a dogfight to them
@@touchgrass7078Average overrated American user 😂
@@touchgrass7078 Bro is coping 😂
the funny part is, thats not even the late SU-27 with canards i wonder how thats gonna be in a dogfight.
@@STRYKER1467that airframe itself doesn't need a canard. They added it for shorter take off/landing or more fully loaded weight.
The Su-27 is certainly a marvel of aerodynamics, which I believe is what gives this jet its incredible AoA performance. A combination of leading edge flaps, leading edge root extensions, a lift-generating fuselage, and just a wide area thanks to its size help give the Flanker the performance that we see.
Edit: The manuvering flaps and very powerful engines also contribute. Its a formidable maneuvering package for its size :)
Energy retention and the inherent drag of the S shaped fuselage however...
Try pulling these kind of manouvers in decides and you will be in a stall upside down
@@nullisecundus775 Well nothing's perfect. There are pros and cons to every design.
And Su-30 and 35 added TVC to that mix
@@HolyNorthAmericanEmpire So they did.
Man, that epic dogfight and stuff like that is exactly why I keep playing WT.
Aaaand yes, most of them end in exact way this one did...💀💀
A tip for using ‘full-real controls’: you can significantly reduce the amount of bouncing you get in the controls by binding the ‘SAS functions’ key. It’ll let you turn on your stability augmentation systems which are incredibly helpful for stabilizing the flight characteristics and getting a smoother ride.
You lose a little bit of AOA capability with SAS set to dampen but what you lose you make up for in precision and stability. You won’t stall or rip wings with SAS on unless you really screw up.
The “cobra button” is just the switch to turn off SAS.
I play sim only at top tee RU and would like to know if you could elaborate on the cobra Botton I fly in manual control so could only have to point the nose up on??? HELP PLEASE I WANNA FLY THE SU27 right
Thanks so much, Phly! You remind me of watching your video 4 years ago and really want to start playing War Thunder. Now watching this video, it shows the game can be fun, not just ALMOST FUN, despite the painful long grinds, the emptyness of no new content after reaching the end of the tech trees, and the salty gameplays of all these years. The last dog fight/air dance part really gives me a good goosebump (also KUDOS to the BGM).
The fact that phantoms can fight this thing is crazy Gaijin need to increase max br for aircraft badly
Dev server brs are never the final br thank god
Tbh phantoms in realistic style battles will do fine. In real life the phantoms were only a bit slower than the early f15.. just have to dodge the missiles
@@johnbarnes5823 they already stated they wont raise the BR
@@11Tits fr, where did they say it?
@@Trackbandittf is a phantom gonna do against an ER or a r73 at close range since its not out running a su 27??
I don't even play war thunder anymore, but it's still neat to see what all it has now. Crazy to think it will probably unironically have 5th gen aircraft eventually. Probably 5 years max
2 years
and i bet its going to suffer from BR compression too
Considering these jets are pay2win, your grinding hours are going to be a decade
@@borbduck it is not. It is not stealth and can`t work in hive mode
@@vitivers ah ok sorry
My grandpa used to fly this plane, but the first he flew it the engines failed and he was forced to eject. Once he was let to fly again he became a commandeer and commanded a small group of mig 21 and Su 27
What a unforgettable maiden flight in su-27. But damn he must had been a great pilot to be able to fly a su-27 in the 80s', salute to him!
Grandpas a boss. Good shit.
Awsome!
I like the part where he yelled "It's Flankin time" and then started flankin all over the place.
18:15 i just love the su 57 in war thunder
Honestly can’t wait for this update! Especially the SU-27! (Top 3 favourite irl aircraft.)
How can a human make something so aesthetically pleasing and in the same time badass still baffles my mind !
Really enjoying this daily stuff, can't wait for a vid on a Grippen.
Keep up and thank you for what you do😊
IT'S FLANKERIN' IM GONNA FLANK ALL OVER THE PLACE
Time?
If you want to dive into the aerodynamics of the Su-27 and why it can do what it can do there's an old aviation documentary i remember watching about it way back. It was an episode of "Wings of the red star".
I watched that A few years ago, Good stuff.
That Dogfight was sick, I would’ve loved to see that actual ending to it
Just seeing the flanker in action I can't wait for future content! The Eurofighter, Rafale and Su-37 Terminator are gonna be heavenly! 😍
Didn’t even mention the king of the air the F22…
Cause I thinking of things that'll come relatively soon? Like f22 and 35 are years away. but a 4th gen like the eagle being ported means the 4.5 gens like Typhoon and Rafale etc are around the corner @@SirHuddy 👍
@@SirHuddy f22 has no real competition, despite that they're already making the NGAD cause you can never be too ahead
In DCS I've actually pulled off a flatspin kill in a dogfight using the flanker. Just popped off an R-73 and no more viper.
Hi!
This is my screenshot, I'm very glad that you liked it and put it on the preview.
I look forward to seeing what crazy Top Gun shenanigans you pull off with this one.
Now this and the Mirage 4000 is what we want BABY. Thanks Phly
I request a video on the He 100! It's stupidly fast for 1.7, can hold 550+ km/h at deck no problem, excellent climber, only downside is it's engine likes to burn so keep an eye on the temp. Not too OP, and super fun! Bring it to a higher br for a challenge if you want
(day 27)
Great dogfight! It seems to demonstrate that a dogfight in closely-matched modern jets will devolve into a rolling scissors.
Man that edited dogfight was so awesome! Like jousting knights of the sky
Imo after using the su 27 all day in the dev server, 6 r27 are way to much, in the sense you are not gona use them all without multi-locking, imo the best loadout are 6 R73 and 4 R27ER or even 5 R73 4 R27ER and 1 R27ET
I’m just gonna take 4x R-27ER, 2x R-27ET (more versatility and making long range shots on someone running away, something the R-73 can’t do) and 4x R-73
the loadout this thing has is insane.
6 R-27ER is crazy.
best believe that i will be using it to its full potential
Id rather take 2 et’s, lock them with radar and use a et. Ive gotten so many hack accusations because people cant read and think i hit them with a er when they are hugging the deck
Phly.....you killing me brother, I been watching your content for quite awhile and it is so very entertaining and love it, and it seriously keeps me reinstalling and coming back to enjoy some War Thunder!!!......by the way hope the kids and family all doing good.
You are gonna love the Gripen. That thing is a modern day Mitsubishi Zero. The guns looks very easy to aim too.
From what I have experienced on the dev server the gripen beats both the flanker and eagle in a dogfight of flight performance, (but that is from my judgments of versing them in the gripen so it could come down to the skill or skill issue of the enemy players
The flight models are not final. Defyn tested the F-15 and it was horrible in a dogfight.
The gripen definitely is the best 1v1 dogfighter this update
@@woogieboogie6960nah mirrage 4000
Well you have to consider that this thing doesnt always need to get nose on, it has the R73s and HMD, and the Gripen doesnt have HMD so gotta consider that
@@woogieboogie6960the mirage 4000 is actually a better dogfighter than the gripen
The low speed maneuverability could be because they have the (seemingly automatic) thrust vectoring modeled, just not animated. The Mirage 2000 and 4000 should still be able to beat it in a dogfight though, the flanker just has better handling but not quite as good of a turnrate.
Su-27 never had thrust vectoring though
Su-27 was designed to be "super manoeuvrable" the best dogfighter. The F-15 was designed to be the best all round aircraft, yes it can dogfight and yes it can BVR but with equal pilots the Su-27 will win most the time in a slow speed guns only fight. Its like being upset because your Spitfire is out turned by a Zero
@@SATORI_111 Ok I looked it up and some of the later variants did have thrust vectoring, just not the one in game. The su-30 and su-35 also had it. So technically the 27 did have it, just not the early ones.
@@lukewhitehouse4103 I didn't even say anything about the f-15.
@@RyzawaVT yes more modern versions of the su-27 have thrust vectoring I imagine just not the one in game currently
Good to have you back phly
Lots of the time i bring out flaps to decrease my stall speed and increase lift it helps alot its dog/turn fights especially on bulkier aircraft
this thing literally makes a cobra viable in a fight
Mirage 4000 has the best dogfight performance right now, followed by F-16 and Gripen. Su-27 is right behind i'd say, but it has a better kit, so it might perform better overall. We'll see.
This thing can face Tornadoes and Phantoms. The grind for the South African Gripen is going to be agony.
Before seeing this video: I realized in my mig-29 that if I turn the controls to realistic I can pull cobras at 700km/h it's pretty dope and worth a try.. but this gives me one more reason to get my HOTAS setup
I remember when we used to dream of this and play the user made f15
I remember when someone made a F-100 user mission lonnnggg ago
What’s crazy is how much this update show a difference in the American vs Russian doctrine. America never expects a war right over them but instead well beyond visual range so they focus on sensor arrays which gaijin didn’t put in the F-15. Russia focuses on a war right above them and needs hyper-maneuverability for up close dog fights so Russia definitely got the best plane for War Thunder’s game play.
Everything Russian is always better on war thunder it seems
Buuuut I do prefer the su27 over f15, looks better imo
If Gaijin starts focusing on beyond visual range combat, the top tier jet gameplay will be even more frustrating for most players. And even if they did decide to commit to it, they probably would’ve been forced to add MiG-25 or MiG-31 at some point and these planes are impossible to balance.
Gaijin went out of their way to gimp the hell out of the F-15 Frankenstein they gave us. Primarily because they aren't ready to cash in on putting and end to the R-27ER meta yet.
WT only shows the difference in adding a 10 years later version with 20 years more advanced missiles
them Mirage 4000, just got added another 2 IR missiles and an extra SARH missile. It's now capable of bringing out 8x magic 2's and 1 super 530. The mirage 4000, now gets same amount of missiles, turns muuuuuch better than the su27, accelerates much faster than both the su27 and f15, and has the same amount of large countermeasures as the su27
that dogfight was absolutely insane!
i was at an airshow in moscow 2003. You know, safety rules for the flying performances are way lower than in the west. It was absolutly crazy what the russian aircrafts were able to do. Especially the Su30 MKI, its like the Su 27 with canards. It was like completly fuck physics lol
Obviously VERY balanced compared to the f-15
F-15 was never meant to be agile. Idk why people think that. It's clearly a massive platform that's supposed to be fast and packed with advanced electronics and missiles.
@@harryshuman9637 F-15 is also over 10 years older than the Su-27
@@harryshuman9637 "It's clearly a massive platform that's supposed to be fast and packed with advanced electronics and missiles." which would be fine if it got said electronics and missiles.
@@harryshuman9637the F-15 has the advantage in speed, range, fire power and maneuverability. Meanwhile the SU-27 has the advantage in agility and and agility to size ratio
So technically the F-15 has a good amount of strong factors but the SU-27 has the agility to size ratio better than the F-15
But both can kill each other easily
@@bruman182 That means nothing if the two planes were created for radically different strategies to begin with.
If anything F-15 should be compared with Mig-25.
cant wait to see all the su-27 cobra clips
Everytime I watch phly it feels like that one slipknot interview:
"Plane.... Bug..... Booger."
It's definitely the best looking jet in the game by a good margin. I want to see the more modern paint schemes, the Ukrainian paint schemes, and the dark J 11 paint schemes for the Chinese. Although a low fuel state Su 27 that's flying naked is gonna outperform a loaded F 15 11/10 times unless the pilot has no idea how to do anything. I have a hard time understanding why that's impressive.
Dont let the russophobic US military worshippers lie to you, a loaded SU 27 will outperform the F15 and pretty much anything else except other Russian aircraft, and maybe the F22. Strength of US aircraft lies in the fire control and guidance and things of that nature.
Let’s all take it with a grain of salt. The Su-27 seems to be more complete when it comes to the flight model but still seeing these awesome aircraft is amazing!!!!
Wait until you find out the su27 irl and in DCS has 2 control buttons, 1 makes the su27 turn harder and releases the locks to turn at a higher aoa and the second, turns off all flight stabilization and makes it into a turn machine if used correctly
him:"its using like diractional thrust or different engines
Su27:"BRIJEARNE OO UKUCHI"
If the thrust vectoring nozzles are modelled then su27 will most certainly be perfect to fly
Orginal su27 dosent have thrust vecorting you're thinking if the su30 which is a upgraded 27
@@Bmoney98 oh then i might've mixed them up lol very hard to tell but wouldve loved to see it implemented in the game 😄
@@Bmoney98 That thing will mostly go for British. Russia will probably get the Su35 and su37
@@Rek1emMScar Su-37 is one-off prototype and never carried weapons (although it theoretically could)
@@Bmoney98 Most Su-30s don't have thrust vectoring, since it was intially just Su-27UB produced by a different plant for export. Only Su-30SM and Su-30SM2 and their export variants have thrust vectoring
That was one of the best dogfights I've ever seen
Phly´s definition of "improntu landing" is pulling a cobra into a flatsping while pulling 10gs, and then he lands
I'd recommend flying in pilotage missions, no guns, no fighting, and youre free to do mock dogfights with anyone
that fight with mars was epic!!! that music even wow
Also, expect several Eastern Blok countries to now get the Various Flanker Variants as well.
17:41 PhlyDad really dodged a missile coming from the front and from the rear at the same time🤯
I love the Flanker, my favorite right after the 31 but its just too forgiving in WT it can sustain too much wingload and a inverted flatspin should be a death sentence for the Flanker but in WT she just can recover i mean its dev server and things are up to change but knowing the snail they wont adress it
EASILY the coolest dogfight i’ve ever seen
I mean, historically the F-15 was made to counter the MiG-25/31 and Su-27 was made to counter the F-15 so it only makes sense it perform better in game.
I don't know what it is, but seeing these planes, in warthunder, feels to magical to me.
Can't wait for the J-39 video!
that dogfight was impressive!! great to watch. (I cant fly like that. LOL)
idk how to say it better than this is the most beautiful phly video i have ever seen
that last dogfight was a masterpiece
Usually new equipment is supplied with new weapons. In theory, the F-15 could get something like aim-120, and the su-27 r-77 (RVV-SD/AE). Another possible new product is the R-27P/EP. this already familiar missile has a new guidance head (9B1032), with semi-active guidance to the source of radio waves (to the aircraft radar). Sounds even cooler than a rocket with its own little radar. But I don’t know what they can add to the F-15 instead of the aim-120....Probably a new version of the aim-7...maybe you have some guesses?
Обычно с новой техникой поставляют новое вооружение. В теории, Ф-15 может получить что-то вроде аим-120, а су-27 р-77(РВВ-СД/АЕ). Ещё вариант возможный новинки - это R-27P/EP. в этой уже знакомой ракете стоит новая головка наведения(9Б1032), с полуактивным наведение на источник радиоволн(на радар самолёта). Звучит даже более круто, чем ракета с собственным маленьким радаром. А вот что могут там добавить на Ф-15 вместо аим-120 я не знаю....Вероятно новая версия аим-7...может у вас будут предположения?
What the jet is doing by putting the caps and slats down it increasing the camber of the airfoil, therefore giving you more lift at lower speeds.
8:22
the game engine didnt liked that lmao
The flanker can fly 90° vertical from takeoff and gain speed unless the flight model has changed
Can't wait for the SU-30 Flanker version.
Phly is Dancing with the Angels
I mean the F-15 is known more for its BVR capabilities rather than a dog fighter so the advantage here definitely goes to the SU-27. “It’s not the jet, it’s the pilot”
7:51 Phly: "I want to understand the enemy"
5:47 is no one gonna talk about that kvochur bell 😭
what a magnificent looking aircraft it's just so beautiful
with the Flanker war thunder just feels like Ace combat at this point
You can do the flat spin and recover with alternating thrust in the F-4J
Sweet, I'll give it a test drive 3 years from now as I'll have to grind the entire ussr tree just to try it out, awesome 👌
war thunder fight clubs are something I did not know I need
So the f15 isn’t as outclassed as people say and that was a beautiful dogfight
I saw the Su-27 Flanker in person, it is quite literally bigger than some small houses!
as someone whio was flying su27 in dcs , the war thunder doesnt appear same , its way more controllable at low airspeed and speeds up faster
Phly's entry into the three-way dogfight reminds me a lot of Joey and Ross talking about Ross's threesome. "I saw a lot of stuff. Made a sandwich. Turkey, a little mustard."
the current su27 doesnt do well in rate dogfights sadly, the new king is the mirage 4k, which can keep up with f16As
*>queues Ace Combat 7 music*
we're gaming now, boys
THe release of my favorite series of aircraft is finally here.
The thumbnail for your first SU-27 vid once its officaly added, has to have it flying through space.
Phyls chat reminds me of my tinder game😂💀
The flanker is 100% the hoghlight in terms of performance, the eagle is the highlight in terms of hype, the gripen is the highlight for me.
you should try to get into some dcs dogfighting, i think you could easily have some success with that
In terms of handling, from what I see it doesn't equal the grippen which is just monstrous
So question, how can u change to full control and back to mouse control like that phly? Do u mind telling me how to set it up cuz I wanna do that shit too hahah
i can't believe i'm alive to see the SU27 in war thunder I was sure I would have died before. I'm glad I didn't yet xD
The new howling sound is pretty cool not sure why they added it suddenly though
Told my self I would not play war thunder too much till the su 27 comes out , guess I'm back in full swing , my favorite jet is in the game
Yes nothing like Phly trying to compare the F15 with the F14s flight model to a SU27 that probably has a proper flight model.
That’s the funniest thing I’ve ever heared
the most beautiful fighter jet ever produced
I’m kinda sad that they STILL haven’t added mist formation on the wings when pulling high gs