Definition of Supremum and Infimum of a Set | Real Analysis

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  • @WrathofMath
    @WrathofMath  Před 3 lety +12

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  • @oldcowbb
    @oldcowbb Před 2 lety +36

    i thought this would be a really bad video when you were just reading the definition at the beginning, but the explanations and the examples following are super helpful

  • @zafaris
    @zafaris Před rokem +5

    I'm studying logic for computer science at university and this really helped! The visual explanations and examples helped the concepts of supremum and infimum to click in my mind.

    • @WrathofMath
      @WrathofMath  Před rokem

      So glad it helped, thanks for watching!

  • @rachelmadoo3671
    @rachelmadoo3671 Před 3 lety +6

    from the moment you said the channel name I knew this was gonna be good. Also these videos are a life saver

    • @WrathofMath
      @WrathofMath  Před 3 lety +1

      Thank you Kakashi-sensei! Be sure to keep your Sharingan on my Real Analysis playlist, many more lessons coming! czcams.com/play/PLztBpqftvzxWo4HxUYV58ENhxHV32Wxli.html
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    • @rachelmadoo3671
      @rachelmadoo3671 Před 3 lety +1

      @@WrathofMath ahhhhhhggggzjsn okay!

  • @JimbobFaz
    @JimbobFaz Před rokem +1

    These videos are the best I have found so far on real analysis. Great work! 👍

    • @WrathofMath
      @WrathofMath  Před rokem +1

      Thanks so much! Still a long ways to go with this analysis playlist, but I've enjoyed making the highest quality videos I can for the subject! I'd like it to be the definitive playlist on the topic when I am done.

    • @JimbobFaz
      @JimbobFaz Před rokem

      The way you explain the concept and rational before just diving into the proofs is very helpful in getting the idea across, and this ultimately makes understanding the proofs and definitions a lot easier. Your proofs are also very good and rigorous.
      I have a 1st class undergraduate maths degree and I still find real analysis pretty difficult. Im trying to watch your videos ATM as a refresher and to try deepen understanding as im starting to forget this stuff after not studying it for a while and when picking up an old text book on metric spaces it all seemed rock solid again! I get rusty so fast when I stop studying maths. The hardest bit in real analysis that I remember not understanding very well and struggling the most with was about function spaces and uniform convergence of functions (not sure if this is what isknown as functional analysis though?)Also, the in abstract algebra I found in fields was very hard, rings not as much, and group theory was fine.

  • @cheatyhotbeef2636
    @cheatyhotbeef2636 Před 3 lety +5

    Just wondering why do we use supremum and Infimum? What good are finding the upper/lower bounds of a set? I think I’d solidify these lessons more if I knew what they were used in, but the explanation was really clear and nice! Keep up the great work!

    • @WrathofMath
      @WrathofMath  Před 3 lety +4

      Thanks for watching and great question! I'll mention I don't love doing a bunch of lessons with no particular context, but the most common situation is that someone is learning something in a class - where they're getting more context - and just need some extra help understanding a particular concept, which is why I think its worthwhile to present topics with hyper-focus on the concept itself, without spending too much time on context which the majority of viewers who find this lesson over the coming years will already have from their classes.
      In this lesson though I touch on perhaps the biggest use of supremum and infimum right at the end of the lesson! By taking the completeness axiom, which guarantees us the existence of infima and suprema of bounded sets, we can "complete" the rational numbers - filling in their holes with all the irrational real numbers. And this completeness is tremendously nice to have.
      In future real analysis lessons we'll see more powerful results involving bounded sets, and suprema and infima, which will hopefully make their value more clear! And of course, it all builds up a rigorous foundation for calculus which is some of the most useful math ever devised!

    • @anjaneyasharma322
      @anjaneyasharma322 Před 3 lety +1

      Cheaty Hotbeef Someboddyhas reached the top So whatever he says or observes has to be of very high value.
      In today's times it can be for getting doctorate.
      Simply put in the given set of values or bounded interval there will be two values
      Highest is Supremum and Lowest is Infimum.
      As Cheatybeef says this observation is very very ordinary.
      If instead of interval a function is taken
      It will have some value like
      Function is convergent or divergent
      real roots or imaginary etc for analysis.

    • @maxpercer7119
      @maxpercer7119 Před 2 lety +1

      this is the one question you are not allowed to ask a math teacher (or any teacher) , WHAT IS THE POINT OF LEARNING this?
      answer: one day you will find out (or not)???

    • @placeholder6811
      @placeholder6811 Před rokem +2

      @@maxpercer7119 As a topology teacher for 20 years, I wholeheartedly disagree with you. You are speaking from arrogance. Students who are learning new material don't even know what they don't know so it is nice to have something to ground their learning direction. Walking around a subject vacuously is one of the easiest ways for students to get disinterested. For shame if you are an educator.

  • @xyz-fq8lv
    @xyz-fq8lv Před 2 lety +2

    Very nice and completely understandable at once about the concept.

  • @ayaudh
    @ayaudh Před měsícem

    Very nicely explained.

  • @archibongbenjamine8606
    @archibongbenjamine8606 Před 3 lety +1

    Thank you this vidoes really brought me out of confusion

    • @WrathofMath
      @WrathofMath  Před 3 lety

      So glad it helped! Thanks for watching, and if you're looking for more analysis check out my playlist! czcams.com/play/PLztBpqftvzxWo4HxUYV58ENhxHV32Wxli.html

  • @valeriereid2337
    @valeriereid2337 Před rokem

    Thanks for this excellent explanation of the supremum and infimum. This most certainly helped.

    • @WrathofMath
      @WrathofMath  Před rokem

      Glad to hear it - thanks for watching!

  • @abcdefghijklnopqrstuvwxyz5259

    Your lectures are great ...love them

  • @aishwaryapotdar1348
    @aishwaryapotdar1348 Před rokem +1

    crystal, got it, thank you

  • @hnr683
    @hnr683 Před 2 lety

    very talented work and very clear

    • @WrathofMath
      @WrathofMath  Před 2 lety

      Glad to hear it, thanks for watching and check out my analysis playlist for more! czcams.com/play/PLztBpqftvzxWo4HxUYV58ENhxHV32Wxli.html

  • @citizencj3389
    @citizencj3389 Před 2 lety +2

    These concepts are VERY useful in understanding compact sets which can also help understand uniform continuity. Triangle inequality is op af in analytical math.

    • @WrathofMath
      @WrathofMath  Před 2 lety

      Definitely! And that's a funny way to put it - I agree, it's super OP, and you'd never expect it!

  • @OmarAhmed-ic4fw
    @OmarAhmed-ic4fw Před 2 lety

    May you make a video on the completeness axiom, pleases!

  • @souravde6116
    @souravde6116 Před 2 lety +1

    1 ) For N = {1,2,3,...} Why can't we say infinity is the supremum?

    • @he_is_mark
      @he_is_mark Před 9 měsíci +1

      this set is not bounded above, therefore there's no supremum

  • @jonathanabraham2655
    @jonathanabraham2655 Před 4 měsíci

    Hello doctor, here 8:22 is the set {1/n: n€N} an open or closed set? I think it’s closed as taking x=1 then any delta>0 makes x+delta beyond the set. Is that assumption right or not? Thank you😊

  • @user-zn6xb5ho8f
    @user-zn6xb5ho8f Před 9 měsíci

    great . i learnt this easily from you❤

  • @lalhriatpuiahmar5057
    @lalhriatpuiahmar5057 Před 2 lety

    Thank you for your great explanation

    • @WrathofMath
      @WrathofMath  Před 2 lety

      My pleasure! Thanks a lot for watching, and if you're looking for more analysis - check out my playlist! czcams.com/play/PLztBpqftvzxWo4HxUYV58ENhxHV32Wxli.html

  • @ibraheemmoosa
    @ibraheemmoosa Před 3 lety

    Thanks for this. Great explanation.

    • @WrathofMath
      @WrathofMath  Před 3 lety

      My pleasure, thanks for watching! Let me know if you have any questions, and if you're looking for more real analysis check out my playlist! czcams.com/play/PLztBpqftvzxWo4HxUYV58ENhxHV32Wxli.html

  • @mkthakral
    @mkthakral Před 2 lety

    Thank God you are here.

    • @WrathofMath
      @WrathofMath  Před 2 lety +1

      I do my best, thanks for watching and let me know if you have any questions!

    • @mkthakral
      @mkthakral Před 2 lety

      @@WrathofMath Thank you so much.

  • @axeanshuman
    @axeanshuman Před 2 lety +1

    Nice and simple explanation 😇❤

    • @WrathofMath
      @WrathofMath  Před 2 lety

      Thank you, glad it was clear! Let me know if you have any questions, and check out my playlist if you're looking for more analysis! czcams.com/play/PLztBpqftvzxWo4HxUYV58ENhxHV32Wxli.html

  • @classicchessplayer7068

    I'm starting to like analysis now, thanks.

    • @WrathofMath
      @WrathofMath  Před 3 lety

      Glad to hear it! I like it a lot, it's a fascinating subject! If you haven't already, check out my real analysis playlist: czcams.com/play/PLztBpqftvzxWo4HxUYV58ENhxHV32Wxli.html
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    • @classicchessplayer7068
      @classicchessplayer7068 Před 3 lety

      @@WrathofMath sounds good thanks :D

  • @user-wr4yl7tx3w
    @user-wr4yl7tx3w Před 2 lety

    so well explained!

  • @mustafamalik4211
    @mustafamalik4211 Před 2 lety

    Excellent explanation.

    • @WrathofMath
      @WrathofMath  Před 2 lety +1

      Thanks, Mustafa! Let me know if you have any questions, and check out my analysis playlist if you're looking for more: czcams.com/play/PLztBpqftvzxWo4HxUYV58ENhxHV32Wxli.html

  • @mahmoudalbahar1641
    @mahmoudalbahar1641 Před 3 lety

    Many thanks for this good video.

  • @GerardFunClub
    @GerardFunClub Před 7 měsíci

    Thank you very much!!!

  • @shayaanrk
    @shayaanrk Před rokem

    Good explanation

  • @williamsishaya1429
    @williamsishaya1429 Před 3 lety

    Thanks for this .... pls I need more explanation on limit and continues

    • @WrathofMath
      @WrathofMath  Před 3 lety

      My pleasure, thanks for watching! I am working my way through creating lessons on analysis, so we will get to limits and continuity soon enough. Check out the playlist I am putting together if you haven't already: czcams.com/play/PLztBpqftvzxWo4HxUYV58ENhxHV32Wxli.html
      Lots more to come!

  • @tanvirkaisar7245
    @tanvirkaisar7245 Před rokem +1

    Sorry for the dumb question, but for the last example, if we take Q as our field instead of R, then should not the sup and inf be +1 and -1 respectively?

  • @shepherdchiti8098
    @shepherdchiti8098 Před rokem

    how do you show that the set S=a/b E(0,1) is unbounded

  • @christoskettenis880
    @christoskettenis880 Před 3 lety

    So, just take any real number, either included in the subset or not, that fits the definition of lower or upper bounds, either the interval is open or closed. Just as long as it's not infinity

  • @tanishpanjwani3117
    @tanishpanjwani3117 Před rokem

    Just a quick question at 6:25 do you mean 0 is greater than n instead of 0 is greater or equal than n for all n belongs to the natural number set.

  • @faizahbegum5257
    @faizahbegum5257 Před 3 lety

    for the last example why can’t the infimum be -sqrt (-1) as it’s less than 2

  • @Hana-gj7mi
    @Hana-gj7mi Před 2 lety

    Great video, thanks!

    • @WrathofMath
      @WrathofMath  Před 2 lety

      My pleasure, thanks for watching and check out my real analysis playlist if you're looking for more!
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  • @caotriinh3236
    @caotriinh3236 Před 2 lety

    great explanation!

    • @WrathofMath
      @WrathofMath  Před 2 lety

      Thank you! Check out my analysis playlist for more, and let me know if you have any questions! czcams.com/play/PLztBpqftvzxWo4HxUYV58ENhxHV32Wxli.html

  • @catherinegutierrez2024

    Big help!
    Thanks!

  • @tinotendakanyandura1139

    Can you help on the sup and inf of a closed set union natural numbers

  • @user-wd2nx4lt1g
    @user-wd2nx4lt1g Před 6 měsíci

    very interesting

  • @sandeepchaudhary8689
    @sandeepchaudhary8689 Před 3 lety

    Wow great video ,greetings from india 🙏

    • @WrathofMath
      @WrathofMath  Před 3 lety +1

      Thank you, from the US! Be sure to check out my Real Analysis playlist if you're studying the subject, many more lessons to come! czcams.com/play/PLztBpqftvzxWo4HxUYV58ENhxHV32Wxli.html

    • @sandeepchaudhary8689
      @sandeepchaudhary8689 Před 3 lety

      @@WrathofMath yes sir ofcourse thank you so much 🙏I'm crying 😭in happyness🙏

  • @sumittete2804
    @sumittete2804 Před 2 lety

    Sir ...what are the supremum and infimum of (0,1) intersection {m+n√2 : m,n€Z}?

  • @RSA_Shock
    @RSA_Shock Před rokem

    Brilliant video

  • @faizahbegum5257
    @faizahbegum5257 Před 3 lety

    i don’t understand why 0 isn’t the infimum in the first example, is it because it isn’t a natural number?

    • @citizencj3389
      @citizencj3389 Před 2 lety

      Infimums are the greatest lower bound. 0 is bounded above 1 so it is not an infimum...it is instead a minimum value. Remember the set of natural numbers do not include rational numbers. And 1 is the greatest lower bound of the set of natural numbers.

  • @goedelite
    @goedelite Před rokem

    Aren't these usually called the GLB and the LUB ? I like to use lim sup and lim inf for sets, but maybe that is just my habit.

  • @kingraj2692
    @kingraj2692 Před rokem

    Teach us the maximum and minimum of a set( non empty set)

  • @marcushendriksen8415
    @marcushendriksen8415 Před 3 lety

    Too good! Subscribed

    • @WrathofMath
      @WrathofMath  Před 3 lety

      Thanks, Marcus! Be sure to check out my Real Analysis playlist: czcams.com/play/PLztBpqftvzxWo4HxUYV58ENhxHV32Wxli.html
      Planning to build it up a lot more as this year continues!

    • @marcushendriksen8415
      @marcushendriksen8415 Před 3 lety

      @@WrathofMath I certainly will! Thank you for the link :)

  • @abhiramisudhakaran137
    @abhiramisudhakaran137 Před 3 lety

    Thank you!!

    • @WrathofMath
      @WrathofMath  Před 3 lety

      No problem, thanks for watching! Check out my Real Analysis playlist if you’re looking for more on the subject, many more lessons to come! czcams.com/play/PLztBpqftvzxWo4HxUYV58ENhxHV32Wxli.html

  • @existentialrap521
    @existentialrap521 Před 11 měsíci

    Your little dude saved me. I was thinking of b0 and b as being in the inside of the set S rather than outside. Once you moved the little yellow line i was like oh sht, this mfer spittin. Apologies for the crude comments. They help me retain sht way better than normal. That's why this is an anon account. Gang sht. I was raised in the hood tho. shootings at the corner trap house. they was cookin dope. get u a girl that'll cook w/ u. a ride or die. sup(S).

  • @musratjahan4452
    @musratjahan4452 Před 3 lety

    Thank you sir

    • @WrathofMath
      @WrathofMath  Před 3 lety +1

      My pleasure, thanks for watching! If you're looking for more analysis lessons, check out my playlist! czcams.com/play/PLztBpqftvzxWo4HxUYV58ENhxHV32Wxli.html

  • @AmjadKhan-xo2ux
    @AmjadKhan-xo2ux Před 2 lety

    Is it necessary for a supermum to be an element of ordered field.

    • @WrathofMath
      @WrathofMath  Před 2 lety

      Yes indeed! We need to know what numbers are being considered. So if S is the set, the supremum need not be in S, but it must be in the field S belongs to (which field this is can depend on context, since sets can belong to multiple fields we must specify the one we are considering).

  • @Mrtrendybombs
    @Mrtrendybombs Před rokem

    Sir induced relation plz

  • @emmanuelcampos82
    @emmanuelcampos82 Před 2 lety

    What is the sup and inf of this S=(-∞, 5)?

  • @efeberkeksi7301
    @efeberkeksi7301 Před 2 lety

    Isn't zero a naturel number as well?

    • @WrathofMath
      @WrathofMath  Před 2 lety

      Thanks for watching! Some people consider it one, I generally don't and in my experience most people don't (though it's far from a great majority). Sometimes the "whole numbers" are considered to be the set of naturals with 0 included.
      And if you're looking for more real analysis, check out my playlist! czcams.com/play/PLztBpqftvzxWo4HxUYV58ENhxHV32Wxli.html

  • @user-qb4pz6ru1c
    @user-qb4pz6ru1c Před 2 lety

    nice video

  • @BelegaerTheGreat
    @BelegaerTheGreat Před rokem +1

    Hey! The Naturals start with 0!

  • @maxpercer7119
    @maxpercer7119 Před 2 lety

    supremum = tightest upper bound , least upper bound, least max, best max
    infimum = tightest lower bound, greatest lower bound , greatest min, best min

  • @ArtisticEats
    @ArtisticEats Před měsícem

    supremum of the natural number should be +∞

  • @lukaslukas305
    @lukaslukas305 Před rokem

    Wow 👏

  • @kaos092
    @kaos092 Před 2 lety

    How is 1 the greatest lower bound of the natural numbers? The logic used to make one the greatest lower bound would also make 2 the greatest lower bound.

    • @WrathofMath
      @WrathofMath  Před 2 lety

      1 is the greatest lower bound of the naturals because
      a) 1 is a lower bound of the naturals, there is no natural number less than 1
      b) there is no lower bound of the naturals greater than 1, we know this because any number x greater than 1 couldn't be a lower bound of the naturals, since 1 (a natural) is less than x. For example, 2 is not the greatest lower bound of the naturals since it is not a lower bound at all, the natural number 1 is less than it.

    • @kaos092
      @kaos092 Před 2 lety

      @@WrathofMath Are you basically saying 0 isn't a natural number?

    • @WrathofMath
      @WrathofMath  Před 2 lety +1

      Yes. If you include 0 as a natural, then it would be the infimum.

    • @kaos092
      @kaos092 Před 2 lety

      @@WrathofMath Wow thank you!

  • @randomvideos3628
    @randomvideos3628 Před 3 lety

    The first slide of an explanation should never be an esoteric definition... but a good video anyways.

    • @WrathofMath
      @WrathofMath  Před 3 lety +1

      Thank you! I disagree for these sorts of videos, because people generally find them by searching for them specifically, and so have already had some form of introduction to the concept. I like to have the definition on screen so anyone who just wants a definition can see it immediately, but I begin this lesson with a simple explanation of what each definition means. For a normal in-person math lecture though, I agree!

  • @egbujuoemmanuel47
    @egbujuoemmanuel47 Před rokem

    Why can't the infimum of natural numbers be > 1 @wrath of math

    • @WrathofMath
      @WrathofMath  Před rokem

      That's because the infimum is by definition the greatest lower bound, and seeing as 1 is in the set of natural numbers, anything greater than 1 cannot be a lower bound.

    • @egbujuoemmanuel47
      @egbujuoemmanuel47 Před rokem

      @@WrathofMath thank you 🙏

  • @itsonlylevi
    @itsonlylevi Před rokem

    Damnit! Now I want some soup.