BEHRINGER PROTON VS NEUTRON ARE THEY DIFFERENT?? | THAT SYNTH SHOW EP.131
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- Episode 131 of "That Synth Show" BREAKING NEWS Behringer PROTON READY FOR PRODUCTION. LETS COMPARE THE PROTON AND THE NEUTRON.
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• Introducing PROTON
• Neutron Announcement
• Neutron Overview
• Inside R&D Episode 2
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I already have two Neutrons...if I get one Proton, I can make a Tritium atom!
Now thats science baby
A proper Nuclear option !
Explosive
@robnewton3368 💣
You can't have a stable ⚛️ particle without Elektron suing you. 😸
Hahah thats gold
Indeed that charged particle of Behri calls for an opposite charge from up north....
finally a noclone from behringer. I do want this behringer.
Me too man!! More please
The layout of this is amazing. I am beyond excited for this. Look at the options in the asr envelopes, bounce loop reverse etc. Dude this looks like It will provide so much entertainment. It sounds gorgeous. They took their time and it shows, this is rev11. Amazing. ❤
Yeah this is pretty elegant
It’s definitely a perfect synth to pair with the neutron. I’m sure they made them to use together.
Yeah and add a model 15 and a pro 800
This is probably top of the GAS list now.
⛽️ 🚨
Interesting stuffs, thank you
Looking at the differences at the end, and as I do not have a Neutron, I would probably just go for the Proton
exciting times for synth lovers 👍
Yeah proton seems to be a big step up
Great show (again!) I gotta admit this thing sounds pretty beefy in the low ends and overall has "some uniqueness" to even familiar sounds on any synth.... it's hard to put into words because it's something "heard or precieved" differently by each of us...
It has definite uniqueness
Wonder how many stages does this wavefolder have
Just read the manual. Variable shape linear to exponential on the VCAs would have been great, but that is pretty nitpicky. Fantastic architecture with some nice shortcuts in the routing and patch bay. If one does not own a Neutron already I see no reason any longer to get one; this is a huge step up from it. Sum, attenuverters and LFO phase along with inversion to second filter all offer much to explore in addition to everything else.
The Behringer Proton seems great but it is missing a few things from the Neutron. Most people probably won't miss the BBD delay or the distortion, but the Neutron also has S&H and noise output (the Proton has a noise knob in the filter section but no patchbay output), and the single filter has two outputs, with a little trick you can turn it into a notch filter. Not sure if that's possible at all on the Proton. Neutron also has a dedicated slew circuit but I suspect the ASR generators on the Proton can pull that off. One of the Neutron's attenuators has CV control, which functionally makes it a second VCA. Attenuverters are definitely nice though.
I love neutron BBD, dirty and dark
@@nanocyde_artist notch filter is simply high pass + low pass set properly in series. Any signal fed to a VCA with normal control coming from ASR will “slew” based on attack setting. (Manual does not state so I assume VCAs are unity gain) Sample & Hold will be missed though and I think that highlights in a way with whom this would be a good long term match.
It's missing a SnH, though...
This is now officially my favorite CZcams channel. 🤣
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About the price of the Proton vs Pro 800. The Pro 800 is actually much cheaper now at Thomann. It shows how insanely cheap the Pro 800 is. I mean you get Polyphonic Aftertouch with 8 voices and storage of patches. Essentially a Prophet T8 in rack form! That is just nuts! It is not Proton that is expensive, it is the Pro 800 that is extremely cheap!
Yeah pro800 is insane value
Gotta say, that mpc one+ looks like it's getting a hella lot of improvements with the incoming mpc 3 sw! Kinda like a new machine.
Just watching a video on it now
I just have the Neutron. I really like it simplicity but is still very creative and musical. Before I had a Uno Synth pro X but got lost in his complexity like his dual filter and double knob functions. The neutron is also great in a small synth setup because of the own delay FX. Very great synthesizers this Proton too!
Yeah i got the neutron as well is a very cool synth i like making krell patches with it. The proton is a great compliment looks like
So, who is this NOT for? If you own a Neutron already it may be easier for you to determine. When was the last time you got lost in it for hours? (When was the last time it was even turned on or plugged in at all?) Do you own and more than very rarely use any cables with the patch bay? If so is it mostly sample ideas you have seen or do you spend hours trying things out? Be honest with yourself to what degree the patching is a “hot button” for you and will be heavily used. If none/not much there may be better options for around 4 Benjamins.
definitely plan on getting one to go with the neutron
Super combo
@@synthsamuraiproductions I'd say it's pretty neutral 😂
Have the Lifeforms sv1b as my main eurorack synth brain. This one might be the successor.
This is a sweet one man
@@synthsamuraiproductions indeed…but I see this proton doubles or even triples it in pretty much everything, except for the looks!
@rabbitnoize oooh that much blue beauty
400 bucks it's quite expensive for a paraphonic with no preset bank. But, if want go modular, a separate modules setup would cost three/four times more to do the same thing(or not)
I was surprised at the $399 price same price as pro800
Hydrogen is a stable atom without neutrons. It's actually the most common element in the universe. It just needs an electron...
Green electron would be nuts
I couldn't agree with you more on getting these behringer origional units. As soon as I saw that the proton and model15 were in development, I already knew that I would acquire them for the neutron. Just by seeing what all three offer, I know that they will compliment each other. I will marry my vintage tonus 26 together with my behringer grey meanie. Then I will frankenstein everything to the eurorack set-up. All effects hardware is outboard except the spring reverbs in the 2600's.
Oh yeah thats a frankenstein i would love to hear roar.
28:57 I can tell that you meant its BBD _leaves_ something to be desired, so you usually add an external delay.
Yeah, practically _nobody_ liked how the Neutron's built-in effects sounded! I was curious whether they would add better-sounding effects, or at least take them out of the default ("normalled") routing. I guess they took them out altogether, lol!
I'm surprised they removed Sample & Hold though. I figure that S&H 🤖 beep-boop could've been interesting with the wave folder. But there's so much new stuff to enjoy. 🥺
Yeah i was suprised they removed the S&H TOO
Proton sounds real good 👍
Big time
why do the sub pots work the reverse as every otherpot on the system? i love this thing already but think thats an odd detail...
Good question weird
Perhaps their thinking is the more you turn left the lower the sound gets? At first I thought why not just a straight sub level? The manual is not clear, but I suspect OSC1 and OSC2 outs on the patch bay includes whatever sub balance you have dialed in. This allows a wide range of audio rate (and high LFO) modulation; particularly given you can roll balance, choose sub shape, and modulate PW as well as shape of that VCO while using it as a modulation source.
They missed the chance to call it the "Blutron".
Who else could this MAYBE not be for? If you are serious about getting into modular, learning and eventually mastering the principles, this is not a bad starting point though there are better ways to jump in IMHO. Behringer's own Roland 100 clone modules cover everything on this and Neutron for about $100 more. Of course you also need a case/PSU and that will put you back another couple of Benjamins. For me that means Proton is ideal for someone who intends to really explore the patch bay and that is a leading feature for them, but they have NO intention of going down the modular rabbit hole in the foreseeable future. If that is you it looks like it can really scratch that itch.
@@klstay Modular is indeed tempting, particularly now that the various clone modules have created a more affordable entry point. 🥺
But it's still an expensive rabbit hole which I'd rather avoid. Hours of fun, but not that beneficial to my near-term music goals.
The Proton and Model 15 are calling me. But maybe I should try exploring my Neutron with a KeyStep first. And that means finding that darn AC adapter… 😖
@@crnkmnky the thing is for the price of a Proton + Neutron you can put together a modular rig that covers everything from both plus a bit more and still have over 100hp of space left to fill. The biggest drawback to that path IMHO is the 'normal' patching on both of those is quite good along with the on panel shortcuts whereas with modular you patch everything every time. So, you have to be honest with yourself if the nearly unlimited flexibility it worth that hassle.
Get some sort of adblock or a browser that blocks ads my friend. Respect your viewers ; )
Too cheap all money being saved for moog muse 😂
@@synthsamuraiproductions Eh, they keep deleting all my replies because I was explaining how to do it without paying a single cent. It's so sad how edited the comment section has become. Literally half of my replies get deleted nowadays. Incredible how many topics google doesn't want us to talk about.
Anyway.. you can, just google how to do it. Luckily they didn't censor results for this query yet.
By the way I hope you put some money aside for the proton as well because I want to hear you play it before I get one for myself! ; )
So instead of watching your video i can just watch all the behringer vids? All you do is play those and talk over them... Give us new info.
Or you can just go eat your 4th bag of cheetos in your moms basement… 🤷♂️
@@synthsamuraiproductions - Relax riff raff... I dont eat cheetos. I chilli cheese fritos.
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No continious midi sysex commands for the filter frequency knobs? Why are there sysex MIDI commands only for fixed values like buttons???
because these synths are fully analog which means also no ADC/DAC on the knobs, no memory and (almost) no midi cc- or sysex-control. but on the other hand: no parameter stepping either.
@@Scenturio yeah for sure. In that case creating a demo track like this one requires like 4 proton instances running at the same time. I realize I need like 5-6 of them to make some music. LoL.
Not so much content
Sunglass handy?
Very
Bro my comments keep getting nuked?! Great video though!
No way!! U serious?
@@synthsamuraiproductions Yeah man, YT is going insane with the sense - or - ship these days 🤦
@PatchDog big time brother. Very weird must be E lect ion season or something 👀
Sub oscillators are not proper oscillators. They are basically a feature on some synths where the synth can produce a set wave form derived using math and circuitry from dividing the frequency of you proper oscillator in half to get a tone an octave below the original .Generally you are stuck with a basic squarewave, always an octave below,with the occasional extra fancy option of halving the frequency again, to get a tone 2 octaves below the original , or having a the ability to have a few other waveforms being generated by the sub circuitry.
The pitch of a sub oscillator is more or less always derived directly from the pitch of the original oscillator, so it is better thought of as an effect, to add much stronger bass harmonics to that particular oscillator your patch vs a proper fully featured oscillator
U gonna grab one??
@@synthsamuraiproductions
Probably. I am broke AF, so i am going to have to wait for a sale/ good used option,Also, since i am more or less entirely ITB I need to sort out logistics and cable management etc to see about how to shoehorn hardware into my tiny setup.
I basically want a tiny modular set up with a lot of dirty./aggressive charachter, to be my "poor man's VCS3" for generating weird modular stuff for sampling, and for live Space rock wacky performances, ala Hawkwind. In that same vein, i am looking to DIY a suitcase type portable build to house it, its power supply and effects, and a controller/sequencing option .I gotta bunch to sort out before i throw down money
It turns out that Proton has one sub oscillator, not two. It's a bit of a WTF situation with Behringer videos, and even the front panel on the Proton letting you set the waveforms for "each" sub independently, but in actuality, we're just setting the waveform on that one, single sub oscillator. I know first hand, because I have the Proton. All that being said, the synth is great - no regrets, and I assume that the price will come down.
@lib747 what u pairing it up with
@@synthsamuraiproductions Pro-1, SE-02, Poly-D, Pro-800, Peak, ...and then mostly U-He v-synths: Diva, Hive2, Bazille.
As for internal effects (FX) , I would much rather have multiple stereo outs, tha ability to route to my own effects units... AND ,,, if those stereo out had slider controls for sign strength,, OMG....
Dude that would be next level if the proton has that!!!
Funny : the Proton user's manual has an entry to explain what is the "sample and hold" but the Proton has... no Sample and Hold function! Incredible!
The most little synth gets this so basic function but Behringer forgot it!
Hahah
I wonder what color the Electron is going to be!
Purple
Green
You mention it as an entry point to modular, and that's precisely why I want a Neutron or Proton I figure, if I tried to build a modular with any budget, I'd probably get semi-cheap modules.
I have a patch bay here, so I can use each part of this synth as a module. I don't like the filter, buy a modular one...
I can now build modular with great modules to start and focus right away on a proper box, power, maybe add a sampler, rather than dco's, or start with more fun modulations like math. Maybe even build an effect box, or even buy my first DCO or VCO but to use as modulator.
Sub 400$ modular synth built from modules...Good luck with that.
This is an elegant solution that can later be part of a bigger system.
I can't speak for others, but the fact that I could buy this, hate everything about using modular, decide I will never touch a patch cord again, and still have a pretty amazing sounding synth, with a midi connection; Makes it a no brainer.
why don't you like the labyrinth. Just bought one and messed with it all week. it's kind of amazing. the second you think your stuck you turn one knob and the most amazing sounds can happen but the one downside it can either be to much in the mix or sit to far back.
Interesting 🧐 just the demos I heard of it sounded thin and workflow confusing
A further thought on this impressive design - while Taiga is a more complete standalone synth this is half the price. The attenuverters do NOT have CV over the setting, just an in and out which is a strange miss given everything else here IMHO. (Lose the mult in and outs to make room for it)
Love the look and sound of that Proton. The Neutron is bad as too, but I think Proton beats it by a hair. Great video as always bro
Appreciate you watching brother!!
BRO my favorite color is Blue...I will be happy to get a blue neutron
Cant wait
For the neon green electron
The lack of sample and hold and noise is a deal breaker for me, honestly.
Proton has a noise generator
let those checks flow 💸😂
Money bye bye
Owning the neutron the lfo can be patched as a complex subosc , they ditched the sample and hold on the proton, if i had to make a neutron mk2 the proton ain't it , 2 attenuators is far to few to scale the cv's around + you really need multiples on a synth like this , they could have balanced the feature set better for the proton .
Did they say they will have an app for the Proton?
They didnt say
Missing the labyrint generative sequencer or any form of sequencer for that matter
Sequencer would have been awesome
Anyone owning/buying this or similar desktop synths with CV I/O should invest in a Beatstep Pro and a decent number of patch cables. (Or Keystep Pro if that more fits your workflow and budget) If you have a Neutron and/or intend getting a Proton but neither have nor intend to get any patch cables or ever use the patch bay there are great synths you may wish to consider instead. Hades, Roland Boutiques (yeah VST in a box though some sound great), SE-02 (it and Boutiques have unfortunately small controls), Typhon, or maybe spend up a bit more for a Minibrute 2S or Erebus.
That is why the Crave /Mother 32 its cloned after is so cheap. It is expected to be used as a sequencing and extra utility tool for modular, with a nice single oscillator synth voice as a cherry on top. If you were to cram any sequencer worth using in this thing, it would make it too crammed to use, or would require menus etc vs being a proper performance tool, and you would add a great deal to the cost and complexity of building one. Instead you have a sub $200 tiny add on device for those people who want a tiny modular sequencer powerhouse
@@craigsurette3438 those who like the Crave sequencer suffer "KFC syndrome" - one who has not had Chik-Fil-A and thus thinks KFC is good.
@@klstay That is hilarious. What other sequencer with a small footprint, a built in simple synth voice, and a bunch of modular utility can you recommend for under 200$?
Do you know which VCOs they used? The 3340?
3340 with the moffat filter
Newfie accent?
Yes sir
I'd buy a blue Neutron
Good stuff. If you spend 5 minutes on r/synthesizers you'd think Behringer stole all their girls and ate their babies. They won't even type the name, they write "*ehringer" or "The B company" it's wild how infantile they are. I love Behringer, they make music affordable. I've had a bunch of Behringer gear, I only ever returned 1 thing. A mixer, and it worked great, just the power plug was wonky and I could see mysely breaking it. Also, they make the best sounding fuzz pedal I've heard. $25 and I like it better then my $170 Swollen pickle, any of the Big Muffs or Fuzz Faces I've had. I'm just getting into synths and I got a VS mini pro and just got a Crave and I love them both, sound great and build quality is top shelf. MoogGoons can fight me.
Behringer Bros 4 life baby!! Lets the haters hate while we watch the synths pile up
@@synthsamuraiproductions 100
Call it the Bluetron😂
That would be hilarious
Hey is it the Tone Mode of the Deepmind ? it seems....... getting used to low prices, 400 seems now a lot ! c'mon 400 for a rack 🤣(don't take anything i say seriously... ) ... add 2000 to that and you have a Voyager... apples and oranges yes but non of the cheap synths have 3d punchy envelopes of high end analog synths (though investigat in the b-kobol...
Gee ! congrats on 1100 views in 13 hours and 545 likes !.... ps: i'v heard another english famous youtube synth podcast talking of synthmafia (a terme only heard on SynthSamurai channel) they are listening 🤟👍
@smartti1970 dreams become memes 😂
@@synthsamuraiproductions i chose my Dm12 over the Ob6 and Voyager so don't take me seriously, perhaps yeah dreams become memes 😆
@smartti1970 also never take me too seriously 😂
@@synthsamuraiproductions it's oscillators sound better than the Moog One's... 🤣 ... oh it's the english clones team that did the Deepmind ( part of the main team) ... Ps: when i close my eyes, listen and forget about the bherge bias.... it starts sounding better ! (true)
O.K. In all honesty, I had been watching many of your videos ,, but ,,, BUT, when you said "" BUT NOT THE LABYRINTH "" I JUST H A D T O S U B S C R I B E .....
Hahahahaha man thats best officially welcome To samurai nation. Our 1st promise is we shall never shill the labyrinth 😂
I can see this.. Stay true to you, to hell with being a schill.
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