That's a normal reaction when you're hearing someone explain, or even defend, something you find immoral However, I think it's important to listen in a more open way, because you'll be better able to understand what motivates the person you're talking to. You'll be able to see nuances, because even immoral actions are often done without the intent to be immoral.
Being vegan required so FEW changes all at once for me. I swapped chicken for Tofu and Milk for Soymilk. Just stopped eating eggs and cheese. It was SO HARD... 🤷♂
Totally. Soy milk is much better from a purely selfish perspective as well. It's cheaper, has a longer shelf life, it's healthier. It's a no brainer even if someone is somehow ok with animal abuse.
It’s super easy for some, and quite difficult for others. Depends on how well you tolerate the switch, where you were coming from before (how much meat and dairy you ate), whether you meaningfully know how to cook nutritious, good tasting vegan meals, availability of vegan options at restaurants and company gathers, overall pricing. And much more. I’m super happy it was easy for you. But your experience is not everyone’s, not in the slightest. It wasn’t an easy switch for me to make. And for others still it would be even more difficult, and quite possibly not even practicable at this time in their lives. I think it’s important to be as compassionate toward the differences in experiences others have as we are towards animals when analyzing these situations.
@@Deifiable Motivation is key. And letting go of ego/image stuff. If you care about suffering its a lot easier. And all vegans ate lots of meat and dairy prior. Huge majority at least. Compassion is great but sometimes I wonder why show compassion to everyone all the time, especially to sociopaths? I could be wrong here I dont know.
So shes willing to go into a coffee place to get hugely expensive coffee but draws the line at spending 25 cents to get plant milk (or opt not to have milk). If she is really concerned about spending then I doubt shed be going to coffee bars. Combine that with it being cheaper overall to eat plant based then it sounds like she is just making a convenient but false excuse.
Excellent vegan outreach !! I don't think any options or choices would be suitable or agreeable for this person. It takes integrity,compassion and courage to stand up for injustices. Any inconvenience in some people's lives will not be tolerated regardless of the suffering ones choices are causing. I hope she recalls the conversation and decides to live a violent free life.
The one word I hear most often, used to convey sympathy and spirituality as an excuse, the most pathetic of all - JOURNEY. I’ve grown to hate that word.
It makes me laugh a bit when people bring up cost as an excuse not to go vegan. I can't work and make money due to disability but I don't find it hard to be plant based. I don't spend more money on food than I did as a meat eater. Of course, it can get expensive depending on what you eat but the same applies to a non-vegan diet. You're doing an amazing job with your outreach. Even if most people won't go vegan on the spot I believe they walk away thinking about the conversation and a seed is planted. I remember when I first heard about veganism I didn't feel like I aligned with it and I had some objections but the more I heard about it the more it started to feel like to only right choice. ❤
@fagelsinnet happy to see you here! And, thanks for the kind words. Veganism should be the normal. And, yeah, the reality is most people use it as an excuse; you can find things within your budget, you can enjoy and have a healthy diet while eating plant based within every budget. It’s a matter of will! 🤗💚
Honestly why wouldn't you want to pay extra if it meant animals would be saved?🥺🥺🥺 But of course plant based options are actually a lot cheaper😊😊😊 being vegan is so easy just be kind to animals♥️♥️♥️🐮🐷🐔🐟🪲🐇 great work Cip😊😊😊💚💚💚
I have heard about what she said, that oat milk is more expensive in certain coffeeshops. Ridiculous, but overall you still end up cheaper on a plant based diet 💚🤗
Yeah , oat or soy milk is more expensive here in Coffee bars also , but the difference is minimal, so why not pay a fraction more and avoid contributing to animal abuse and exploitation. Or do as i do , and take oat milk with me when i go out , especially as here plant based milk is rare in Coffee bars.
@@FreddieAl hahaha.. clearly you didn’t read any study about it. Yes, they take into consideration transport. And it’s still monumentally better for the environment. And, yeah, there are subsidies for all farming, but there are more subsidies for animal farming… But, none of those justify enslaving and abusing animals, do they? But, you already don’t understand what sentience is or why it’s important…
@@FreddieAl You know how you said you would ditch dairy if I could factcheck you and prove you wrong Freddie, well here we go, buckle up, lol: *Tesco - the UK's biggest market - TODAY'* Tesco British Semi Skimmed Milk 2.272L, 4 Pints £1.45 = *64p per Litre* Creamfields Uht Semi Skimmed Milk *1 Litre 69p* Tesco Lactose Free Semi Skimmed Dairy Drink *1Ltr 99p* *Growers Harvest Unsweetened SOYA Drink 1L 50p* So even when you buy larger amounts of the already subsidised dairy milk, *the soy option is at least 14p per litre cheaper - the dairy is 28% more expensive.* So if price is your issue then you know what to do buddy - *save The Cows*
I think an American who is on vacation in Europe...just... cannot use cost as a justification lol. prob staying in a $200/night Air BnB and talking about quarters
@vegan power lab: you're asking all these really good questions in your social experiment, but when you switch to the animals/veganism you're not really using her responses against her (...what if they can't comprehend they're being enslaved f.e.) "still bad" if she's against it in the human context, but participates in it with the animals as victims, then she has to explain what the the morally significant difference between humans and animals is that allows slavery, torture and killing of the one group but not the other. she is basically serving her inconsistence on a platter. i wish you would confront her more directly with that, because we all know that there is no difference and if she wants to be morally consistent, then she has to be/become vegan on the spot.
Very good point, @keeshea6718 . I should bring it back more often to them. Sometimes that happens, but sometimes I get dragged into the discussion also
@@GarudaLegends this is what you are saying basically: blacks are not whites, they are slaves or to use otherwise for whites. this is the mentality of a racist. being from another species is not a trait, but merely a manmade definition. you still have to name the difference = the trait that allows to use and kill one group but not the other.
.. Poor innocent animals. You don’t want to be in their shoes👈🤥. You don’t hurt your dog😍🤗🐶🤥. Longest living people on Earth, are vegan. PIaque forms eating animals. Plant-based/vegans don’t have pIaque ✅♥️😬🐒🐵🦧🦍👱🏼♂️👩🏽😉. Buddhist monks most of them are vegan ✅♥️💪😬😉.. rice, quinoa, beans, and lentils, and oats, fruits and herbs and spices, yeast B12 tablespoon, every day, is the key to healthiness ✅😉..
We live in times where it's often talked about "privilege". And I get this a lot because I am a white, heterosexual, man of middle class. Radical people from different movements such as feminists and LGBTQ activists talk about me being a privileged person, and that I should "acknowledge" the fact that I am very blessed with having a lot of benefits; most of which I have gotten through sheer luck. However, being HUMAN in the rich part of the world seem to me like the ultimate privilege; the ultimate quest for justice is not based on gender, sexual orientation or race. The ultimate oppression is based on species. Humans whining about not wanting to pay an extra 25 c for oat milk, thus paying for rape and murder of animals is the ultimate position of privilege.
I agree with the part that being born in a rich country is a privileged position and that it’s just an excuse (the 25c part). But, you should know that lgbtq people, even in Netherlands (open minded rich countries) still get beaten up for it… every person I talk to from there has had that happen to them if they are public about their affection. It is ridiculous and stupid, but it does happen. So, if you have not had that hardship where you can can’t be free to express your love in public (by holding hands even), then it is a privileged position, wouldn’t you say? Nothing wrong with privilege, btw. I also have it
@@veganpowerlab Yeah, I am very sensitive to the difficulties of different groups of people. And I have always - long before I was vegan - committed to lessen suffering of humans. However, it seems to me that privilege is relative. And what has struck me a lot of times is that even oppressed groups of people are most often indifferent towards animals suffering. In Sweden - which is my home country - there is an author that has written a book called "Alla mot djuren", which means "All Against the Animals" and it goes into detail how humans oppress animals in culture, politics and philosophy. And it got me thinking about the fact that pretty much every movement of humans have had a speciesistic rethoric and agenda in some way of another, from political parties, to social justice organisations, to environmental organisations, to sports teams etc. When BLM protested police brutality, that did so by throwing a decapitated pigs head on the ground and spit and stamp on it. Justice must be blind to gender, sexual preference, income, race, but also definately species.
Lmao. Reminds me of the last time I went to church and the pastor said “Now look, I can’t tell you who to vote for…” and then proceeded to go on a 10 minute rant about how awful Biden is. Pretending to allow freedom, but only the kind of freedom YOU want to allow.
@@Deifiable It stops being your personal choice when you are paying for the exploitation of others. Humans should be put in jail for exploiting and using non human animals.
Please explain in what form does a “syrup powder” exist 😅 You made that up to scare people. Lol. Oat milk, almond milk, cashew milk, all are healthy options and they don’t exploit a sentient being. Why do you care so much about it? Like, it’s clear that vegans care about animals. What do you care about? Tradition? And, don’t tell me “humans”, cause soy milk is healthier than cow’s milk 100% of the time and better for the environment. So, again.. why encourage people to exploit animals?
@@veganpowerlab Any kind or form of corn syrup solids in most powdered coffee creamers. Soybean has endocrine disruptors. 3 gallons of water to grow 1 almond helps the environment ?. Without factory farms nature will be eaten by us. Passenger Pigeon 5 billion extinct wild birds.
"yes I'm against slavery and exploitation but I'm on my journey" ahahaha. Good outreach. I don't know what is more challenging - talking to someone who is woefully ignorant or (as in this case) willfully ignorant. I guess both are exasperating.
Not putting cow milk in your coffee is literally a zero-effort thing to do lmao. You don’t have to “worry about every single thing”, just don’t create demand for products made out of animals.
I think vegans take food that's made with animal products frequently because they use food grown in animal based fertiliser. Why is this not different?
@marcus.H There is such thing as veganic farming (vegan and organic) that uses non-animal derived ingredients. I'm sure there's plenty of things that I eat that have animal fertilizer but I don't have much control over that, especially when a product doesn't disclose how it got its ingredients. However, vegans still cause the least amount of harm to not just animals, but the environment too. We are not 100% cruelty free, yet, because of how small veganism as moveme still is even in 2024. Once things like the individual mindset begins to change and laws begin to protect animals, then we can truly become closer to a 100% cruelty free society.
If your goal it to stop windows from being smashed in a city, are you content to say "I will not smash any windows" while 99% of the population in the city goes on smashing windows unfazed?
If the only way to stop windows from being smashed is to stop individuals from doing it, then, yeah… lol. I like that even you know that it’s bad to exploit animals
@@veganpowerlab Do you think more than about 1% of individuals will actually stop doing it though? Even with something as trivial as reusable shopping bags, it backfired. They couldn't even get a mass amount of the population to do something as simple as remembering to bring their own shopping bags. The whole reusable shopping bag movement failed. If people can't even have this small behaviour changed, I am not hopeful that a mass amount of individuals will be convinced to override their entire diets. Is the only way to stop individuals from consuming animal products convincing individuals? Or, is there another way, perhaps cutting off production in the first place, despite demand?
@@veganpowerlab Humans aren't even aware they're exploited themselves by capitalism and lack any ounce of class consciousness, you will never convince them to care about animal exploitation.
Interesting video. Please address the question - "is food grown in natural animal fertiliser still an animal based product?" It 100% relies on animals and livestock farming
@@veganpowerlab yes. And you can use milk from cows or from almonds. I know both exist. But I'm asking "if animal based foods are morally bad, do you reject ALL foods which have used animal products to make them? Including anything from an organic field which uses natural fertiliser from animals?"?
5:52 she managers to not discrimination against people of different race, sex, sexualising preference, ability but when it comes to discriminate against animals it's to much for her to not oppress her victims How selfish Worry about it wrong term. She doesn't need to worry about. She just needs to boycott supporting abuse
@@veganpowerlab He's a massive misanthrope and has been MIA for like 3 years now. I have a playlist on my page with some of the stuff he would post and delete.
@@veganpowerlab I mean, I've seen you talk to people about how important it is to care about humans, then you tell them to watch Gary Yourofsky. I just....
Not only do bee keepers contribute to huge portions of plant fertilising, but they also give bees a meaning to life. Bee keepers dont abuse bees, do they? They give bees the best homes they coudl have, comlete freedom and choice. You can start an arguement with me, id appreciate it
Who would use lbs or 1rm? Its about what one can easily do per set, 4 sets each 12 times. Im not a bodybuilder, for someone who eats meat this is a normal weight.
Physically weak or delicate: synonym: weak. "an invalid's frail body; in frail health." 🤣🤣🤣🤣 that’s you to a T… you didn’t know the meaning did you? Or do you think you’re a “beefy dude”? (Pun intended)
@@PC-tc5je to call me frail means you’re either disingenuous or just a hater.. lol And, even if you saw me and thought I was frail, doesn’t mean all vegans are (like you said). Your statement can be easily debunked by simply finding one vegan that isn’t frail: Patrik Baboumian, Clarence Kennedy, Nimai Delgado, Torre Washington… And, let’s say you find all of them frail (although they are not and I am not), do you want to be a violent person towards innocent beings to hold onto something that means nothing? After all, intelligence is what defines real power, isn’t it? And we come to that. And, there, well, it seems that the Dunning-Kruger effect is strong with you, so I’ll let you live in your bubble; but, if you think that I am frail, then you clearly don’t have the superior mental capacity between the two of us
Slaves ate meat and had livestock. It is illogical to compare humans who were enslaved with thier food. Leave it to vegans to dehumanize PPL. Animals are food and pets, amd their is NOTHING vegans can do to change that. I have a question. Do you believe pets/companion animals are slaves?
I don’t think you know what comparisons are… you can compare anything to anything. And, yes, the action of enslaving and using an individual is comparable between two different types of individuals. Or, do you think that I can’t compare enslaving X to enslaving Y when you don’t know who X or Y are?
@@veganpowerlab buy a dictionary. Slavery is between 2 humans. Animals are not enslaved and they do not preform unpayed labour. Based on your logic, is my pet cat a slave?
@@GarudaLegends i wasn’t gonna be pedantic about it, but seen as you are, I’ll reciprocate: “their” is a possessive pronoun; you meant “there”. Buy a dictionary! Now, the term slavery definition: the practice or system of owning slaves; slave=a person who is forced to work for and obey another and is considered to be their property. And here is where we disagree: you think animals should not have personhood, because it would mean you’d have to change and stop exploiting them, and I believe they should, because there is no morally significant difference between animals and humans that justifies the difference in treatment
Someone give this girl a quarter!
Excellent comment 😎.
BibleDumbPodcast, I agree, very sad to know the price of cruelty.
@@jjradV I feel like she needs to see what she’s paying for to change
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@@jjradV what is it about milk that's bad? Cows enjoy being milked
You handled that incredibly well, tbh I would’ve gotten triggered by her excuses early on & tried to cut the conversation short
Yeah, cause that's how we'll truly win them over onto our side.
That's a normal reaction when you're hearing someone explain, or even defend, something you find immoral
However, I think it's important to listen in a more open way, because you'll be better able to understand what motivates the person you're talking to. You'll be able to see nuances, because even immoral actions are often done without the intent to be immoral.
Being vegan required so FEW changes all at once for me. I swapped chicken for Tofu and Milk for Soymilk. Just stopped eating eggs and cheese. It was SO HARD... 🤷♂
Totally. Soy milk is much better from a purely selfish perspective as well. It's cheaper, has a longer shelf life, it's healthier.
It's a no brainer even if someone is somehow ok with animal abuse.
Totally agree. The change is more of a psychological change, when you realize animals are also worth treating with respect.
It’s super easy for some, and quite difficult for others. Depends on how well you tolerate the switch, where you were coming from before (how much meat and dairy you ate), whether you meaningfully know how to cook nutritious, good tasting vegan meals, availability of vegan options at restaurants and company gathers, overall pricing. And much more.
I’m super happy it was easy for you. But your experience is not everyone’s, not in the slightest. It wasn’t an easy switch for me to make. And for others still it would be even more difficult, and quite possibly not even practicable at this time in their lives. I think it’s important to be as compassionate toward the differences in experiences others have as we are towards animals when analyzing these situations.
@@Deifiable Motivation is key. And letting go of ego/image stuff. If you care about suffering its a lot easier. And all vegans ate lots of meat and dairy prior. Huge majority at least. Compassion is great but sometimes I wonder why show compassion to everyone all the time, especially to sociopaths? I could be wrong here I dont know.
So shes willing to go into a coffee place to get hugely expensive coffee but draws the line at spending 25 cents to get plant milk (or opt not to have milk).
If she is really concerned about spending then I doubt shed be going to coffee bars.
Combine that with it being cheaper overall to eat plant based then it sounds like she is just making a convenient but false excuse.
i just order mine black. yum.
I always take a small amount of oat milk with me when i go out for Coffee, how easy is that .
I don’t drink coffee
@@maxmcintyre5068 And why would we care when you're known as a non vegan.
@@martinkevin4827Now why I didn’t think about that
Really powerful and motivating outreach! Great to see Cip!
Great work, Cip!
💚💚💚💚thanks, Cip!!!🌱
just get your coffee black - problem solved! ☕🌱
@leeduli I couldn't agree more. Since the day I gave up dairy over 30 years ago, that is exactly what I have done😎.
Or get the grande instead of the venti.
Vegan activist Hero ✊✊✊✊
Thank you so much. I don’t know if hero, but, activist 🤗💚
Excellent vegan outreach !!
I don't think any options or choices would be suitable or agreeable for this person.
It takes integrity,compassion and courage to stand up for injustices.
Any inconvenience in some people's lives will not be tolerated regardless of the suffering ones choices are causing.
I hope she recalls the conversation and decides to live a violent free life.
I like the saxaphone in the back ground :)
I think it was distracting Cip though.
It was distracting me, yes. Because I already talked to that guy and he defended animal abuse…
@@FreddieAl if he fought for rights of sentient beings and I would abuse those rights, then it would be okay
The one word I hear most often, used to convey sympathy and spirituality as an excuse, the most pathetic of all - JOURNEY. I’ve grown to hate that word.
Hahaha.. yeah. It’s another way if dodging change
It makes me laugh a bit when people bring up cost as an excuse not to go vegan. I can't work and make money due to disability but I don't find it hard to be plant based. I don't spend more money on food than I did as a meat eater. Of course, it can get expensive depending on what you eat but the same applies to a non-vegan diet.
You're doing an amazing job with your outreach. Even if most people won't go vegan on the spot I believe they walk away thinking about the conversation and a seed is planted. I remember when I first heard about veganism I didn't feel like I aligned with it and I had some objections but the more I heard about it the more it started to feel like to only right choice. ❤
Yeah why can't carnists be honest, it's 100% for taste and that's ok!
@fagelsinnet happy to see you here! And, thanks for the kind words. Veganism should be the normal. And, yeah, the reality is most people use it as an excuse; you can find things within your budget, you can enjoy and have a healthy diet while eating plant based within every budget.
It’s a matter of will! 🤗💚
Nice outreach, good job! 🌱
Thank you so much, Curtis 🤗💚 btw, do you know kurtis connor? Your name reminds me of him
@@veganpowerlab No, this is the first time I've heard of him 😄
Honestly why wouldn't you want to pay extra if it meant animals would be saved?🥺🥺🥺
But of course plant based options are actually a lot cheaper😊😊😊 being vegan is so easy just be kind to animals♥️♥️♥️🐮🐷🐔🐟🪲🐇 great work Cip😊😊😊💚💚💚
I have heard about what she said, that oat milk is more expensive in certain coffeeshops. Ridiculous, but overall you still end up cheaper on a plant based diet 💚🤗
Yeah , oat or soy milk is more expensive here in Coffee bars also , but the difference is minimal, so why not pay a fraction more and avoid contributing to animal abuse and exploitation. Or do as i do , and take oat milk with me when i go out , especially as here plant based milk is rare in Coffee bars.
@@FreddieAl i suppose you did not factor in subsidies….
@@FreddieAl hahaha.. clearly you didn’t read any study about it. Yes, they take into consideration transport. And it’s still monumentally better for the environment.
And, yeah, there are subsidies for all farming, but there are more subsidies for animal farming…
But, none of those justify enslaving and abusing animals, do they? But, you already don’t understand what sentience is or why it’s important…
@@FreddieAl You know how you said you would ditch dairy if I could factcheck you and prove you wrong Freddie, well here we go, buckle up, lol:
*Tesco - the UK's biggest market - TODAY'*
Tesco British Semi Skimmed Milk 2.272L, 4 Pints £1.45 = *64p per Litre*
Creamfields Uht Semi Skimmed Milk *1 Litre 69p*
Tesco Lactose Free Semi Skimmed Dairy Drink *1Ltr 99p*
*Growers Harvest Unsweetened SOYA Drink 1L 50p*
So even when you buy larger amounts of the already subsidised dairy milk, *the soy option is at least 14p per litre cheaper - the dairy is 28% more expensive.*
So if price is your issue then you know what to do buddy - *save The Cows*
I think an American who is on vacation in Europe...just... cannot use cost as a justification lol. prob staying in a $200/night Air BnB and talking about quarters
Very good point! It’s a bit of a lame excuse
After saying there is no excuse for slavery, 25¢ is a lame excuse for slavery.
also worried about money saving but drinking coffee outside LOL. A cup of coffee at home is literally 11x cheaper. And always better with a moka pot
Long live vegans
Vegans Live Long!! 😎
viva vegans!!
Long live non vegans
@@maxmcintyre5068 "Long live non vegans"
Unlikely mate - sorry but better get used to it now or change.
@@EarthPoets meat eaters live longer than vegans and have the best life expectancy.
Wow Chip, amazing job!! You are SOO good at this! 👏👏👏💚
Thaaank you! 🤗💚 that day I had such bad conversations..
@vegan power lab:
you're asking all these really good questions in your social experiment, but when you switch to the animals/veganism you're not really using her responses against her (...what if they can't comprehend they're being enslaved f.e.) "still bad" if she's against it in the human context, but participates in it with the animals as victims, then she has to explain what the the morally significant difference between humans and animals is that allows slavery, torture and killing of the one group but not the other. she is basically serving her inconsistence on a platter. i wish you would confront her more directly with that, because we all know that there is no difference and if she wants to be morally consistent, then she has to be/become vegan on the spot.
Animals are not humans and they are food or pets for humans. I can eat a cow and have a pet cat, while feeding homeless ppl rotisserie chicken.
Very good point, @keeshea6718 . I should bring it back more often to them. Sometimes that happens, but sometimes I get dragged into the discussion also
@GarudaLegenda i saw you on vegan gaze live. I know you don’t understand and can’t answer the question
@@GarudaLegends this is what you are saying basically: blacks are not whites, they are slaves or to use otherwise for whites. this is the mentality of a racist. being from another species is not a trait, but merely a manmade definition. you still have to name the difference = the trait that allows to use and kill one group but not the other.
@@GarudaLegendsYour level of cognitive dissonance is nuts. All that meat has gone to your head 😂
I think you made an impression on her!
That was a good chat Cip, & could see her thinking more near the end & starting to drop the I I I & multiple excuses.
You are doing an awesome job Cip! It's mind-boggling how many excuses people can come up with. 😆🌱💯💚
.. Poor innocent animals. You don’t want to be in their shoes👈🤥. You don’t hurt your dog😍🤗🐶🤥. Longest living people on Earth, are vegan. PIaque forms eating animals. Plant-based/vegans don’t have pIaque ✅♥️😬🐒🐵🦧🦍👱🏼♂️👩🏽😉. Buddhist monks most of them are vegan ✅♥️💪😬😉.. rice, quinoa, beans, and lentils, and oats, fruits and herbs and spices, yeast B12 tablespoon, every day, is the key to healthiness ✅😉..
Tiiiiit🤢milk/cheese, is disguuuuuuuuusting !!
When I buy coffee for houseless person I pay .25$ but when Idrink coffee I have it black it’s best & healthier for the animals, environment & me❤💚
Yeah, 25c is nothing, but I can’t comment on that. I think it was more of a principle thing to her
Great work. Thank you. Be vegan everyone 💚💚💚💚💚💚
Thank you so much! Everyone should go vegan! 💚🤗
We live in times where it's often talked about "privilege". And I get this a lot because I am a white, heterosexual, man of middle class. Radical people from different movements such as feminists and LGBTQ activists talk about me being a privileged person, and that I should "acknowledge" the fact that I am very blessed with having a lot of benefits; most of which I have gotten through sheer luck.
However, being HUMAN in the rich part of the world seem to me like the ultimate privilege; the ultimate quest for justice is not based on gender, sexual orientation or race. The ultimate oppression is based on species. Humans whining about not wanting to pay an extra 25 c for oat milk, thus paying for rape and murder of animals is the ultimate position of privilege.
I agree with the part that being born in a rich country is a privileged position and that it’s just an excuse (the 25c part).
But, you should know that lgbtq people, even in Netherlands (open minded rich countries) still get beaten up for it… every person I talk to from there has had that happen to them if they are public about their affection. It is ridiculous and stupid, but it does happen. So, if you have not had that hardship where you can can’t be free to express your love in public (by holding hands even), then it is a privileged position, wouldn’t you say?
Nothing wrong with privilege, btw. I also have it
@@veganpowerlab Yeah, I am very sensitive to the difficulties of different groups of people. And I have always - long before I was vegan - committed to lessen suffering of humans. However, it seems to me that privilege is relative. And what has struck me a lot of times is that even oppressed groups of people are most often indifferent towards animals suffering.
In Sweden - which is my home country - there is an author that has written a book called "Alla mot djuren", which means "All Against the Animals" and it goes into detail how humans oppress animals in culture, politics and philosophy. And it got me thinking about the fact that pretty much every movement of humans have had a speciesistic rethoric and agenda in some way of another, from political parties, to social justice organisations, to environmental organisations, to sports teams etc. When BLM protested police brutality, that did so by throwing a decapitated pigs head on the ground and spit and stamp on it. Justice must be blind to gender, sexual preference, income, race, but also definately species.
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I love all the waving hands! @NatalyBlackberry @MartinKevin4827 @KerriEverlasting
I love your food-related mic! Is it why you did it?
Journey - any way you want it, as long as it's vegan!!
Lmao. Reminds me of the last time I went to church and the pastor said “Now look, I can’t tell you who to vote for…” and then proceeded to go on a 10 minute rant about how awful Biden is. Pretending to allow freedom, but only the kind of freedom YOU want to allow.
@@Deifiable It stops being your personal choice when you are paying for the exploitation of others. Humans should be put in jail for exploiting and using non human animals.
Is high fructose corn syrup powder coffee creamer more healthy than real cream ?.
Please explain in what form does a “syrup powder” exist 😅
You made that up to scare people. Lol. Oat milk, almond milk, cashew milk, all are healthy options and they don’t exploit a sentient being.
Why do you care so much about it? Like, it’s clear that vegans care about animals. What do you care about? Tradition? And, don’t tell me “humans”, cause soy milk is healthier than cow’s milk 100% of the time and better for the environment. So, again.. why encourage people to exploit animals?
@@veganpowerlab Any kind or form of corn syrup solids in most powdered coffee creamers. Soybean has endocrine disruptors. 3 gallons of water to grow 1 almond helps the environment ?. Without factory farms nature will be eaten by us. Passenger Pigeon 5 billion extinct wild birds.
@@FreddieAl Monkeys explored to make your coconut milk.
@@FreddieAl exploited
@@FreddieAl hypotheticals have a purpose. Just because you don’t understand it, doesn’t mean it’s not there
"yes I'm against slavery and exploitation but I'm on my journey" ahahaha. Good outreach. I don't know what is more challenging - talking to someone who is woefully ignorant or (as in this case) willfully ignorant. I guess both are exasperating.
On that day, every single person was like that or even worse. In fact, she was amongst the best conversations of the day. But, yeah, just excuses
Not putting cow milk in your coffee is literally a zero-effort thing to do lmao. You don’t have to “worry about every single thing”, just don’t create demand for products made out of animals.
I think vegans take food that's made with animal products frequently because they use food grown in animal based fertiliser. Why is this not different?
@marcus.H There is such thing as veganic farming (vegan and organic) that uses non-animal derived ingredients. I'm sure there's plenty of things that I eat that have animal fertilizer but I don't have much control over that, especially when a product doesn't disclose how it got its ingredients. However, vegans still cause the least amount of harm to not just animals, but the environment too. We are not 100% cruelty free, yet, because of how small veganism as moveme still is even in 2024. Once things like the individual mindset begins to change and laws begin to protect animals, then we can truly become closer to a 100% cruelty free society.
So many things to worry about and she chooses to worry about 25 cents. WILD.
Journey
8:14 consent is not needed to exploit individuals due to taste preference. How gross
ARE YOU USING A SPATULA TO HOLD THE MICROPHONE
I did that, yes.. haha
If your goal it to stop windows from being smashed in a city, are you content to say "I will not smash any windows" while 99% of the population in the city goes on smashing windows unfazed?
If the only way to stop windows from being smashed is to stop individuals from doing it, then, yeah… lol.
I like that even you know that it’s bad to exploit animals
@@FreddieAl by having conversations with them.. are you ok?
@@veganpowerlab Do you think more than about 1% of individuals will actually stop doing it though? Even with something as trivial as reusable shopping bags, it backfired. They couldn't even get a mass amount of the population to do something as simple as remembering to bring their own shopping bags. The whole reusable shopping bag movement failed. If people can't even have this small behaviour changed, I am not hopeful that a mass amount of individuals will be convinced to override their entire diets. Is the only way to stop individuals from consuming animal products convincing individuals? Or, is there another way, perhaps cutting off production in the first place, despite demand?
@@veganpowerlab Humans aren't even aware they're exploited themselves by capitalism and lack any ounce of class consciousness, you will never convince them to care about animal exploitation.
She was pretty honest and intelligent
She was, yeah. Let’s hope she doesn’t let cognitive dissonance get the better of her
Interesting video. Please address the question - "is food grown in natural animal fertiliser still an animal based product?" It 100% relies on animals and livestock farming
It doesn’t rely on it. You can use synthetic fertilizer, or fertilizers made from plants
@@veganpowerlab yes. And you can use milk from cows or from almonds. I know both exist. But I'm asking "if animal based foods are morally bad, do you reject ALL foods which have used animal products to make them? Including anything from an organic field which uses natural fertiliser from animals?"?
If I know that one product uses animals, yes. Like coconuts coming from thailand
@@veganpowerlab does all organic vegetables use cow manure in the field as fertiliser?
@@veganpowerlab is eating vegetables grown using animal products just like eating milk or cheese?
Because slaves were humans and animals are not.
This is an answer to which question?
@@veganpowerlab that's why we can keep animals in captivity and not humans
just A nother en titled excuse generating AM erican❣
Doesn't seem to matter where the selfish live but how do we get them to change?
nice video, gonna make spaghetti bolognese today tho
Make it vegan
@@veganpowerlab im fine thank you
@@somnia3423 you’re fine being violent towards animals?
@@veganpowerlab yup, my cat catches a mice almost everyday, thats totally fine to me too
@@somnia3423 Are you violent towards your cat also?
Wow, she's really slow🙈
5:52 she managers to not discrimination against people of different race, sex, sexualising preference, ability but when it comes to discriminate against animals it's to much for her to not oppress her victims
How selfish
Worry about it wrong term. She doesn't need to worry about. She just needs to boycott supporting abuse
Animals are not human. You can't discriminate on a bacon cheeseburger!!!🤣🤣
Bro, stop recommending Gary Yourofsky. I'm begging you. 😭😭😭
Why?
@@veganpowerlab He's a massive misanthrope and has been MIA for like 3 years now. I have a playlist on my page with some of the stuff he would post and delete.
@@deemstars if you have a better video describing the practices, I’ll gladly take a look and replace it
@@deemstars i don’t care about him, but his message in that video
@@veganpowerlab I mean, I've seen you talk to people about how important it is to care about humans, then you tell them to watch Gary Yourofsky. I just....
Dont you guy Believe you cant eat honey because its bee slavery.
We don’t consume honey, yeah. Why?
Not only do bee keepers contribute to huge portions of plant fertilising, but they also give bees a meaning to life. Bee keepers dont abuse bees, do they? They give bees the best homes they coudl have, comlete freedom and choice. You can start an arguement with me, id appreciate it
Do you wanna do this live and not within youtube comments?
Anyway... tonight my friends and family are gonna have a barbeque with Game Meat.
Someone wanna join?
Funny Channelname, considering your missing the power without meat consumption. :D
How much can you bench again?
@@veganpowerlab 140 and you? Dont have the energy to regulary go to the gym would be my guess :D
@@solzuchtvalashu5794 140 what? Kg or lbs? Is that your 1rm? Also, what’s your weight?
Who would use lbs or 1rm? Its about what one can easily do per set, 4 sets each 12 times. Im not a bodybuilder, for someone who eats meat this is a normal weight.
Why are all vegans frail?
Frail? Hahaha.. i don’t think you know what that means
Physically weak or delicate: synonym: weak.
"an invalid's frail body; in frail health."
🤣🤣🤣🤣 that’s you to a T… you didn’t know the meaning did you? Or do you think you’re a “beefy dude”? (Pun intended)
@@PC-tc5je to call me frail means you’re either disingenuous or just a hater.. lol
And, even if you saw me and thought I was frail, doesn’t mean all vegans are (like you said). Your statement can be easily debunked by simply finding one vegan that isn’t frail: Patrik Baboumian, Clarence Kennedy, Nimai Delgado, Torre Washington…
And, let’s say you find all of them frail (although they are not and I am not), do you want to be a violent person towards innocent beings to hold onto something that means nothing? After all, intelligence is what defines real power, isn’t it?
And we come to that. And, there, well, it seems that the Dunning-Kruger effect is strong with you, so I’ll let you live in your bubble; but, if you think that I am frail, then you clearly don’t have the superior mental capacity between the two of us
@veganpowerlab 🤣🤣🤣🤣Frail and fruity….
Slaves ate meat and had livestock. It is illogical to compare humans who were enslaved with thier food. Leave it to vegans to dehumanize PPL.
Animals are food and pets, amd their is NOTHING vegans can do to change that.
I have a question. Do you believe pets/companion animals are slaves?
I don’t think you know what comparisons are… you can compare anything to anything.
And, yes, the action of enslaving and using an individual is comparable between two different types of individuals.
Or, do you think that I can’t compare enslaving X to enslaving Y when you don’t know who X or Y are?
@@veganpowerlab buy a dictionary. Slavery is between 2 humans. Animals are not enslaved and they do not preform unpayed labour.
Based on your logic, is my pet cat a slave?
@@GarudaLegends i wasn’t gonna be pedantic about it, but seen as you are, I’ll reciprocate: “their” is a possessive pronoun; you meant “there”. Buy a dictionary!
Now, the term slavery definition: the practice or system of owning slaves; slave=a person who is forced to work for and obey another and is considered to be their property.
And here is where we disagree: you think animals should not have personhood, because it would mean you’d have to change and stop exploiting them, and I believe they should, because there is no morally significant difference between animals and humans that justifies the difference in treatment
Cip is goated
I was always a bit behind the whole "goat" thing. But, I'll take it as a compliment and say "THAANKS" 🤗