Animators React to Bad & Great Cartoons 9
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00:00 Intro
01:03 Paperman
05:27 Pet
07:50 The Old Mill
10:40 Tarzan
12:13 Feast
16:14 Bratz: Rock Angelz
21:40 Raycon
22:40 Outro - Zábava
I love that you guys give props to animators working on “bad” animation. So many people are fast to jump on and rip apart animation that isn’t high quality not even thinking about the number of animators working on it or the amount of time they had. It’s so refreshing to watch professionals talk about the limitations they sometimes have to deal with.
having animated both crap and nice projects, totally yeah
And acknowledging you gotta start somewhere. Fantastic episode.
This was my exact thought!
"If you're going to learn, it's best to learn while someone is paying you" is great advice.
Fast deadlines can kill an animator when they have to consider render time. People who have never worked in 3D softwares have absolutely no idea of all the tools you have to be very knowledgeable about, but you will always get killed by render time.
The people who criticize these low budget animation, have been fooled by how it’s done in movies. When you watch a movie where someone walks up to a computer and clicks the space bar or mouse a couple of times and some beautiful animation comes onto the screen. Chances are, some CGI artist busted their ass for a couple of weeks to create that animation that the actor clicks up I’m a few seconds.
I understand that movies cannot show the actor working for weeks in Maya trying to get that animated molecule perfect, so they just have to make it fast. The only issue is that so many people believe it’s that easy for us artists to make the animations.
I’ve had clients surprised by the amount of time required for the animation job they want me to do. They really believe that’s it’s easy for the artist to draw it in the computer in a few hours and the computer will just animate it?
Unless they’ve worked on this stuff, they have no idea how long it takes to render each frame, especially with the more plugins for textures, weight maps, internal physics, which have to be calculated before render. Some scenes can take over 24 hours per frame to render.
There are large render farms who can split that processing power across multiple processors one frames distributed to different computers, but when you’re talking about over 172,000 frames to complete a 2 hour movie… that’s a lot of render time.
It takes more render passes to improve the quality of the render, especially when the render has to calculate for volumetric, like fog, smoke, fire, fog or water. There is also more render time for fiber FX, like hair, fur, grass or any other fibers.
There is also radiosity, which is when light bounces off of surfaces. Light reflected off of a green wall will reflect green ligh, but what happens then when it bounce off the wall to a brown floor? The processor needs to makes millions of calculation to get a realistic environment.
To make it look more realistic, the processors have to crunch all of the data that considers how many times you want the light to bounce. Since the amount of surfaces light can bounce back and forth from is nearly infinite, you must have to call it done at a point to begin the rendering process.
Most of the time, these artists get only one render to get it right. With these softwares, it’s impossible to get perfection on a single render. If they’re not allowed ample render time, you’re not going to get top quality.
Movies with large budgets can afford the time for the artist to view early renders and make corrections. When you’re on a tight budget movie, which means less time for modeling, rigging and animation, much less having a lot of textures to deal with.
The quality of the surface textures will make a huge difference between a masterpiece or a bomb. You can’t blame the artist. Most in the business are not afforded the time to get things right, because there is so much that goes into animating in 3D, especially if you’re making it look like a 2D cartoon.
I understand that all of you who are animators understand all of this stuff, but people who have never worked in an animation software can easily be critical of some of the cheaper animations. They’re not realizing what all goes into bring those animations to the screen.
In a big budget film, there is always time for artists to even take each rendered frame into Photoshop or After Effects and clean things up. I can’t imagine not having the time for that and just going with the render? That’s rarely going to come out good.
“If you’re learning, it’s better to learn while someone pays you.” World class life advice. You guys rock.
yeah easily said
The more you know, the more you don't know.
These two legends are so humble and know exactly the struggles some animators go through.
The empathy for the Bratz animators was inspiring.
Thanks for mentioning "engineers". The focus is so much on art and artists that the engineers behind the powerful technology and tools are often overlooked.
And the creativity for problem solving is as much good craftsmanship as everybody else involved in the process.
While I agree that engineers are somewhat overlooked in animation, I think that artists are far more often overlooked than engineers in general life. Think about how much EVERYTHING you use had to be designed by an artist. Everyone gives credit to engineers for designing how products, software, websites, etc. work, but artists are the ones who design them so that they’re pleasant to use.
The water effect in Disney's, the Old Mill, was achieved with something called Ripple Glass. It was also used in Pinocchio and a few other things. Kind of groundbreaking actually.😎
That's awesome! It's cool to see the practical techniques they used back in the day before we just rendered everything on computers.
@@jasonmoonshiner OH yeah, HUGE amount of innovation around that time. Just Ub Iwerks alone, one of many of the massive giants of animation.
Having Glen Keane sit down at your desk and redraw the scene with you would be an unbelievable, terrifying, lifetime experience, that he mentioned so casually
Possibly one of the best episode.
The bit at the end where they were saying, "Just making something is a feat" is so inspiring. No matter what you're making, if you're learning, it's valuable. Such a good lesson.
OMG! Thank you, guys!
The bit about line weight (from 13:29 - 14:27 ) is what I needed to learn, and I didn't know I needed it!
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[The short story, in case you are interested is]
I'm an visual artist storyteller striving to create a new wave visual-novel-like stories, called "cuentos", in my homecountry of Peru. The idea, in simple words, is that I'm sort of a mangaka, but I'm more of a writer/director than cartoonist, but I0m learning new tricks to improve my drawing using digital tools. The explanations from PAtrick have enlighten me with a new perspective about, well, drawing perspectives. So thaks for that.
[In case you actually read this. Thank you. Someday you will be able to read CAPUCHA - the greatest cuento in the world. Until then, bye~ 🐺✨]
Thanks again Corridor, been here since the old days of 2011. You really are that cool friend that teaches me great new stuff everytime!
Joel Haver being brought up here like this gives me a really good feeling. He makes really good stuff and it would be really cool to see him with you guys in ANY sort of collab.
Glad someone else said it too! Love his animated shorts and his regular skits 😂😂
You'll be happy to know they are. Several days ago they posted on their Instagram story a video of Joel in their studio wearing the performance capture suit
I was scrolling to find this! I got so excited when they mentioned him so nonchalantly. So dope!
totally agree!
Came to comments to find and support Joel Haver!
Paperman is still one of my all time favorite Disney shorts. And it's still the most visually appealing 3D animation in general I've seen.
didnt know u made that
When I look back on Disney/Pixar shorts the birds on a wire always sticks out to me🖐️😅
@@chucks233 they aren't saying they made it.
You haven’t seen arcane I would imagine
I have to agree with you there, that short is truly amazing in all aspect.
I've watched all your episodes of the "react" series, and I don't remember those two films ever being discussed more:
- Kubo and the two strings
- Coraline
I love the in-depth breakdowns, the challenges that animators have to face and the progression that animation has gone through over the decades. Kudos guys!
Oooo a stop motion episode would be great. Big fan of most of Laika's work. They are truly masters of jank.
I wonder if they’re saving a stop motion ep to when they can get a guest from the field, that would make sense.
Kubo was amazing, I was thinking of that in an earlier episode of Animators React (binged them tonight lol)
Rise of the TMNT deserves to be talked about on this show. Some of the best animated fights ever.
The incredible support and positivity you give to the animators of Bratz without ragging on them is absolutely inspiring.
You guys have changed the way I watch movies forever. It's so cool to see the story, labor and techniques of so many artists, things I used to be oblivious of. Thank you.
Same here
Even when it's trash film or some hot garbage, watching the crew critique and also seeing the work that goes into some shots makes me appreciate them so much more.
The minute they mentioned Deep Canvas, i hoped they talked about Treasure Planet since it used the program the most out of any other Disney film.
I love these reaction videos because it really delves deeper into the craft of each artists and gives a good lens on how it is being done. And a few animations that I think you would really enjoy would be some recent animations like:
- Marvel Midnight Sun's Prequel Animated Short: Hell on Wheels
- Fate/Stay Night: Heaven's Feel III. Spring Song- Rider vs Saber Alter
I'm just waiting for the day they do an actors react with Henry Cavill
Hope so
I'm waiting for the day they do an actors react with Henry cavill's mustache
I’m waiting for the Jessica reacts video.
YES, that would be sooo sick
I am waiting for the reactors reacting to reactors' reactions
This general react series has got to be one of the best things put on CZcams. Not only do you guys provide such wonderful insights into so many aspects of film, but you have such varied and experienced guests talking about their own personal experience in the field. It truly is peak video and educational content. This series could inspire people to go into an industry, help them start creating, teach people some fun facts, it's literally awesome and I'm so glad you guys have stuck to it. Awesome stuff guys.
I have learned about so many different jobs from their guests discussing departments they collaborate with! So unique and inspiring.
I love that Joel is just name dropped on a bunch of different things across the internet; one of my favorite creators
As someone who has been drawing for a while but doesn't animate: whenever I make an image move a little in procreate, I do feel like a magician.
I really need these guys to take a look at "Land of the Lustrous".
The lighting and shading of all the gems combined with the 3d animation... Amazing!
YES!
Yes please!
That would be a dream come true!
OMG YES
And the obligatory comparison to Berserk 2016... Yes I'll die on this hill, those two are the complete opposites of CG animation and I demand they review them here, please
Heck yes!!!!
I love it when recurring guests become co-hosts and then geek out with the crew over the new guest. It's so good. Having Alex come back as a regular just to hang out is awesome. I love that you guys did the same thing with Gui.
For a creepy claymation thing to react to, check out The Adventures of Mark Twain. It's kind of disturbing lol but it suits the source material
These two animators talking shop was such a treat! I can't get over seeing the breakdowns of these incredible (and sometimes not so incredible) pieces of work and providing this insight on everything to such a cool and enlightening degree. It's honestly pretty inspirational. Thank you!
I do hope that maybe some day you get a chance to have James Baxter on the show. For him to go over some of the work he's done throughout the years would be monumental!
Glen Keane is an absolute LEGENDARY figure in animation. His work on the Disney Renaissance films is just top notch and part of WHY they look incredibly gorgeous for the time.
Paperman is still my all time favorite Disney short. It's such an incredible use if blending hand drawn and computer. I really wish we could get a full movie in this style.
I love that Corridor Crew now tackles pretty much every visual movie field now! Hopefully it helps inspire new generations to enter the field.
Paperman was genuinely one of the cutest and most wholesome love stories I've ever seen in animation.
This is insanely interesting, I love these animator episodes
"Paperman - it's the best short ever." Completely agree. Timeless perfection that touches the heart. Great guests. We need them back again. 🙂
I’ve been watching your show since basically the beginning, and i don’t comment often, but one thing resonated with me in this episode in particular. When you said you get approached by people who’ve worked on a lot of animation that gets completed but not released, I find that really interesting. I would LOVE if you guys would do an episode talking to an animator in that situation. Anything they have access to that you can legally share, I would love to see that. As a filmmaker myself, I know it can be really hard sometimes to find motivation when things just go wrong.
Hearing them talk about Deep Canvas and its use in Tarzan was fascinating! Love this show ❤
Wolfwalkers had some incredible animation, and has instantly become my favorite animated movie ever. Quick example of a spiderverse-grade genius idea : The film is about a young girl from an irish town meeting with another young girl, who's a werewolf and living in the forest nearby. And what they do to show their differences is using very clean lineart for every character from the city and a much rougher, almost sketchy line for the ones in the forest, to transcribe the fact that they are wilder. And we can see the town girl's lineart evolve overtime as she herself becomes a part of this wild world.
And the technical aspect is very much worthy of these great ideas, it's on par with disney classics. Every frame is gorgeous, masterfully animated and there's a creative use of 2D animation at pretty much every shot.
They should totally react to all of Cartoon Saloon's movies, including their latest one My Father's Dragon which had some splendid art direction.
I absolutely agree~! Like, a hundred billion percent. Wolfwalkers is masterful in every way, it's my second favorite movie ever. The use of the art to help tell the story is incredible work.
4:45 I'd say we kinda have already seen a movie like this: Klaus.
I say kinda because of how new technology was used to keep the colours and shadows consistent and gave a 2D animation a 3D look.
I was thinking the same thing, Klaus is pretty darn close to that same style! It's such an expressive and fun movie~
@@firekirby123 it is!!
Paperman looks so cool, I really hope they'll release a feature film with that tech.
"I pre-vised the entire thing in Blender"
You love to see it 🎉
I'm finishing my digital cinematography degree in a few months and I can't recommend this channel enough to people. You guys have shown me everything from the basics to what motivates the creativity behind every shot. Can't thank you guys enough!
I had a feeling JOEL HAVER would get mentioned in this ❤
20:49 Yes, i've done animation like this and yes, all i get is ONE LINE. The job says "girl walking while using phone, phone stolen". That's it. We're given a checklist on different scenes and we get one line each. We do have a few rigged models, but the background and assets are on us.
Motion cap isn't really that easy either. The amount of time it takes to clean up and prep the motion isn't competitive with just hand animating and actually takes more work.
You guys should take a look at The Backwater Gospel, it's one of the most unique animated shorts I've ever seen. Also, not sure if you've reviewed this yet but you should also look at The Maker, it's a wonderful stop-motion short with some unique art styles.
I love this episode because it makes two animators talk and learn from each other.
I was writing my master's thesis on emulating 2D with 3D right around when Paperman came out and it was a huge point of inspiration and reference. There was nothing like it back then, and it still looks amazing!
I'm so excited for this Paperman and Feast are my two most favorite shorts of all time. I have a dedicated black and white art wall with paperman art in my living room.
The Adventures of Mark Twain has the classic creepiest stop motion sequence. So good and surreal
I highly recommend Jan Švankmajer's stuff for animators to react to. It will BLOW YOUR MUNDS. You can have a whole episode dedicated to him, he experimented with a lot of different styles of stop-motion animation - claymation, animating different objects including meat, animating live actors, or cut out photos of actors. Here's a list of what I recommend watching - The Flat (Byt), Dimensions of Dialogue (Možnosti dialogue), Virile Games (Mužné hry), Alice (Něco z Alenky), Surviving Life (Přežít svůj život)
Wholeheartedly agree. Švankmajer changed the trajectory of my entire life in middle school.
Paper man is my all time favorite short! Thanks for taking a look at it. The combination of the music, the story, and the unique style is just soo cool
Thank you so much for covering Paperman!
I just love this short. In fact despite it's lengh it's one of my favourite animated movies of all time.
I've become obsessed with this channel. I have barely any artistic or technological skill, and yet after watching for so long now, I've started to be able to pick out different vfx tricks during tv shows and movies.
I really like their perspective that “it’s better to get paid while you learn” when working for “bad animation”
I'm so happy that you talked about Tarzan and Deep Canvas! Disney also used it for Treasure Planet, and I think maybe Atlantis as well.
I'd love to see a breakdown of some classic Rankin & Bass stop motion. Especially Rudolph the Red-Nosed Reindeer. I think the blizzard sequences are all pretty complex.
_The Old Mill_ really was a step forward for Disney animation, and I can see a lot of what they learned in this short carried over into _Bambi_ a few years later.
In memory of Jason Frank it would be amazing if you guys could do stuntmen react to the best power rangers fight scenes!
I actually had Patrick's dad as a professor in design school and I remember just how excited he was whenever his work would debut and especially when he won the Oscar for feast!
With all this drawing and animation talk I’d really like to see some Ian Worthington stuff on this channel. Captain Yajima or big top burger would fit really well with this conversation.
Always have enjoyed the animation episodes! I’m taking a history of animation class currently and it’s neat to see an example I’ve learned about like the old mill being discussed on my favourite channel!
I still want an entire film in the Paperman/Feast style. That's got the magic that I feel has been missing in a lot of animation (and it's not simply because of worn-out "traditional is better" arguments).
If there was ever a better que, I'm going to continue storyboarding my first animated short while I watch this. Thanks for the kickstart, guys! Love your work!
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@@alexkramerblogs When it's actually ready to put out in presumably a number of months, the account I'm sending this comment from should be just the one, yes
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I’d love to see an analysis of Bluey. I feel like the animation style is so unique and high quality for a kids cartoon. It might not even be the animation technique, as much as the art style which is really nice.
I would like to see you talk through "Rescuers Down Under" it the first animated movie with CG with the animation. The intro, flight scenes, and when the big trapping vehicle is moving are so different from things that had come before. Also the golden eagle looking and acting 'life like'
Love you guys. Seeing how the animators was gently talking about Bratz, felt humbling.
‘Feast’ is easily my favourite animated short of all time, it was super cool to see them react and listen to how it was made.
Heya Corridor folks, great video as always! One thing I did notice, though, is that you put the wrong "Pearl" short at 0:49. The one you put with the pink yarn ball is the Pixar SparkShort "Purl" directed by Kristen Lester. Patrick Osborne's "Pearl" is a different short, made for Google's Spotlight Series (which also was made for VR/360° viewing). Anyway, keep up the great work!
Ryan Larkin's 1968 "Walking" animation is a mixed medium series of walking studies. Every time I return to it I'm blown away by the quality and stylistic variation.
Phil Tippett is the one who inspired me to become an animator, and his series Mad God is so unbelievably detailed. If you do a stop motion episode, it would be a disservice to not feature some of his work!
Agreed. MAD GOD is really having its moment right now so it's a good time to spotlight it.
I also came to comment this please reacc to mad god
New high bar for this series on the post production to have the density of clips that match up with the discussion to help make sure we're following what they're talking about. Great stuff.
I would love to see you guys have a look at some of Don Hertzfeldt's work, particularly "It's Such A Beautiful Day". That's one of my favourite animated films of all time!
Patrick, thank you for “Feast”. My 4 year old autistic son absolutely adores that short and it is one our go-to videos that will help him refocus when he’s out of equilibrium.
That subtle mention to Joel Haver was very nice, I would love to see if you guys would collab or watch something of his.
On the next animators react y'all should look at chainsaw man specifically episode 4 when Aki goes through his mourning routine. There are so many subtleties that make the sequence feel real and grounded. If not that scene, there are countless beautiful animation moments in the show.
We all want SFX react in your react series. Sound design is very under appreciated and less is known about it. Would love to know about it..
I absolutely adore your animator's react series. Thank you for giving animators the space to talk through their work ❤️
The talk of The Old Mill reminded me of Minnie The Moocher which, in its time, was a groundbreaking short; They basically invented rotoscoping for that short. But, the thing that always gets me is the studio's inability to stabilize the models. So, when Betty Boop's parents are telling her to eat her hasenpfeffer stew, their character models are moving up and down the entire time because they couldn't stabilize them.
To clarify: the Fleischers actually patented rotoscoping! Also, I think the bouncing movement you're describing was intentional-- in their early cartoons, the Fleischers felt that keeping the characters active would ensure that the audience would feel like they were getting their money's worth.
Yuri Norstein is a Russian stop motion animator who has been working with his wife on a film for over 40 years called The Overcoat. His dedication to his work is amazing and it’d be cool if you guys could take a look at it next time
Awesome video as usual, guys! And I really think you guys would enjoy reacting to Isle of Dogs, it’s a stop motion film that is so stunning
Idk if anyone has seen it but 'What We Do In The Shadows' has some pretty slick transitioning, animation, and wire work.
What is separating this for 90% of youtubers is the total lack of ego. Patrick is passionately talking about his work and Alex just wants to know how he did certain fx. Even when they show some crappy animation, they just talk about 'this is where you start and get better at what you do'. And Nico is just happy to be there. Love it.
I agree but lately I have noticed that corridor crew members like to bash on low quality stuff. Specially on the explosion episodes.
They play that Black widow explosion so many times, I’m kind of tired of hearing them talk about it.
With all this cool talk about short animated films i really really hope anything by Dead Sound could get reviewed someday!!! Favorite animator ever
OK, random suggestion if you can find it. Back in the 80's my dad used to take us to see Spike & Mike's Animation Film Festival. We saw a lot of really great stuff, some pretty crazy stuff too. While I highly recommend picking just about anything from their collections if you can still find them, there is one I think you'd get a kick out of. It sure stuck with me over the years. It's called "Primiti Too Ta" and I think I've seen it on CZcams in the past, although it was several years ago. Love animators react, thanks for another great episode!
James and the Giant Peach, recently rewatch it for the holidays and realized how many different art styles they did and well to show, what seemed like, a unique visual story
Glad to see Joel Haver clip - he is amazing :D
I know music videos basically can't be reacted to because of the music, but I just watched the MV for The Chemical Brother's "Wide Open" ft. Beck, and thought y'all might appreciate the visuals. Rad visual effects and rad song.
Growing watching all of these animations is like watching your own kid all the time, you don't realize how much grows, improves, get better every time. Watching back so much content from decades ago and then watch something new is mindblowing all that technology has helped accomlpish. Also, makes me want to see what new thing can artist do with all that is being developing lately.
Y'all talking about Bratz in this is so perfect but unexpected lmao. Those movies are really nostalgic for me, but as a former animation student, the animation makes me giggle sometimes lol
I was watching the OG Jumanji the other day and that’d be a great movie to break down. Some of the CGI still holds up but the monkeys and getting sucked into the game, I’d be curious to hear your thoughts.
If you want ro react to experimental / stop motion stuff you should check out the John Lewsis christmas advert from 2013 called "The Hare and the Bear". They used real miniature sets with 2D print outs of the characters which they moved and changed for every frame. There is also a making of video showing how they did it.
I’ve been watching CC for a few months now, and the one thing that stands out the most to me, which has never changed and has always been appreciated by myself and I’m sure others. Is when a VFX person starts using really big words and technical abbreviations when explaining the videos, Niko will always explain exactly what he said but in a manner where the audience can understand. Always loved that about this channel ❤️
If you want experimental, take a look at Russian animation from the soviet era. I would highly recommend Hedgehog in the Fog by Yuri Norstein. It's a crazy process of stop motion and collage, his wife Francheska Yarbusova is actually the main artist, she does I think the bulk of the actual work. If you want to be completely blown away look up scenes from their movie The Overcoat, it's not even done, but the process and the results are insane. There is a documentary about them, I would recommend it, also before anyone gets knee jerky, he's an outspoken critic of the Russian autocracy.
Always so happy to see another animators react
Can we get some Aardman reactions? Loving the delve into drawn and 3d animation, would be cool to see something around claymation!
This is awesome! Another great short where they used a lot of real life reference is "Kitbull". Has some incredibly accurate animation for the kitten.
This was a standout episode, always love to see professionals shedding light on the nitty-gritty of animation and how little people truly understand about what goes into making their favorite pieces of media
Love seeing him shout out other guys in the field as well, pretty great guy
You guys should do an episode of the good and bad VFX in Star Trek.
Especially Star Trek V: The Final Frontier.
What they should do is, FIX Star Trek V: The Final Frontier.
I absolutely love the animation style of paperman. I hope they really make something cool out of it. Heck give paperman a movie. Love the black and white. A basic love interest. A classic theme
7:10 thats so true but now it's not 25-30 years now it's more or less like 3 years. every second year there is something new that you have to learn to keep up.
photo content aware fill came in 2018 but photoshop A.I render plugin takes your image editing to whole new level and it just came 2 years apart so much so that adobe started taking that feature within PSD 2022.
same goes for Zbrush, blender ( i am autodesk maya person) i recently started working with blender again after learning it 2 years back and things kept changing so fast. fundamentals are same but the outputs that you want can be tweaked so much now a days all you need is a good config system that can take it and good skill and patience.
back in my teaching days, Paperman is always the Disney Shorts which I show my kids, and it never fails to awe anyone, make them all laugh, sigh, the part with the paperplane jet itself all the way to the lady never fails to amaze everyone. And also the soundtrack, just amazing! And heard it once again in Free Guy just brought back the nostalgia back.
That tarzan moment is always be special in my heart.. just imagine that, that is the first animation you ever see as a kid.. the bar is so high you see other animation never live up your expectation
You guys should react to Apollo 10 1/2 and Undone series, they really have a very unique animation style.
Some awesome rotoscope animation
For stop motion animation suggestions, The House is an interesting take of 3 stories about the same location. You've also got things like music videos with Sober from Tool, Insanity from Oingo Boingo, and Push It by Static X. There's also stuff like HBO's Crashbox, The PJ's and Morel Orel.
Amazing episode like always! Alex and Patrick are amazing quests, I hope to see them more often!
Now I would really like your reaction and opinion on the animated movie from 2003: Belleville Rendez-vous also known as The Triplets of Belleville. First time I watched it was late in the evening with a couple of drinks and my god did it blow my mind at the time! The art work and character design is freakin amazing 🙂(The whole movie is on youtube btw!)