A Muslim debates: The Role of Women & The Nature of Evil
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- čas přidán 12. 06. 2024
- A Muslim named "Keksi" joined our last stream, telling Mary she was violating the Bible by teaching men. After that discussion, we were informed that Islam is "logical" because Allah creates evil and the Christian God does not. Unfortunately, Keksi didn't have a microphone, so it was a text-only discussion on their end, but out minds were still blown by their attempts to defend their god.
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0:00 Women's Role in Christianity
27:55 Islam is logical - Allah created evil
47:40 Mary summarizes: who is Allah?
52:20 The atheist position on evil
53:28 Designed vs. Predetermined
54:40 Who created sin? The Gospel presented for Muslims
1:05:38 Mary's closing thoughts
1:12:00 Human beings created for worship only?
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Timestamps in case you are only interested in part of the conversation with Keksi:
0:00 Women's Role in Christianity
27:55 Islam is logical - Allah created evil
47:40 Mary summarizes: who is Allah?
52:20 The atheist position on evil
53:28 Designed vs. Predetermined
54:40 Who created sin? The Gospel presented for Muslims
1:05:38 Mary's closing thoughts
1:12:00 Human beings created for worship only?
I heard this live yesterday, but treated myself to a rerun. Go, Mary!
I am happy she is teaching men. She is wiser than 10000 followers of satan.
Dear Taddeus, I love your whole way and I am always happy to hear as much as possible of concrete experiences - from Muslims who have seen the "man in white"....
Got a couple testimonies coming up :)
@@ReasonedAnswers.... YESSS!
Good Teaching Here! Well Done To All.
I have no idea why steamyard freaked out about my profile picture and forgot it midstream!
You were too awesome for them to handle.
@@ReasonedAnswers They hated my face lol. They're like, NOPE DONE WITH THAT
Maybe gremlins got in when u nipped out for your unannounced break
@@toomanymarys7355 @Hey sister Mary , It's entertaining to see you interpreting 1 corinthian 14:34 on your own , nevertheless i don't think that the Christian commentators root for your exegesis , it's so sweet of you to try to get Christianity in line with your progressive mode though ;)) (Your brother Juad).
@@juadwhite1391 Any exegesis that conflicts with 1 Cor 11 that tells women HOW they are to publicly pray and prophesy must be wrong. Or else you suppose that Paul forgot what he wrote just a half hour before and wildly changed his mind.
I'm not a progressive. Not even a little bit. I would have happily sat in the church of John Chrysostom once he grew up a bit.
Keksi was some piece of work eh...
New Age Christians STILL DONT UNDERSTAND God created both evil and good. This is why atheist make fun of Christians because you LACK LOGIC.
Wonder how she reconciles Ilhan Nur Said Elmi aka Ilhan Omar or Rashida Tlaib with the views keksi expressed. Hmm 😒??
They are not women of God and Islam. They are New Age like you guys.
@@keksi6844 how did you come to the conclusion that I am "new age"?
Because that would entail knowing my operation of mind. Last I checked, you ain't no mind reader.
And just like Elmi and Tlaib, you're looking for a free ticket to ride.
@@keksi6844 You keep using the word "New Age" but apparently don't even know what it means. Pathetic.
@@keksi6844 it is true that, chronologically that it was Eve who sinned first before Adam. Eve was tempted, picked up the fruit of the tree of knowledge of good and evil and ate. After that Eve gave the fruit to her husband Adam and he ate (see Genesis 3:1-4). And yet the bible places the blame on Adam as the one who is responsible for the fall of mankind
In Romans 5, Adam is held accountable with no mentioning of Eve:
"Sin entered the world through one man, and death through sin, and in this way death came to all people (see verse 12).
"Death reigned from the time of Adam...even over those who did not sin by breaking a command, as did Adam (see verse 14)
"Many died by the trespass of one man (see verse 15)
"By the trespass of the one man, death reigned through that one man (see verse 17)
"Through the disobedience of the one man the many were made sinners (see verse 19)
This "one man" Paul refers to Adam, as Romans 5:14 makes clear. Scripture makes it clear that it was Adam and not Eve who sinned against God and brought division from God and death to all mankind. Adam tried to blame his wife Eve, indirectly (see Genesis 3:12) however Adam is the one credited with sin entering into the world.
There are actually several reasons why it is Adam who is to blame for the fall of humanity:
Adam was created first and his wife Eve was created to be a "suitable helper" (see Genesis 2:18). God held Adam responsible for his family as seen that God sought out Adam specifically (see Genesis 3:9). Also in his conversation with Adam and Eve, God questioned Adam first (see Genesis 3:9-13), even though Eve sinned before Adam. Adam as the leader was the one held responsible for what happened to his family.
Also God's original command to not eat of the tree of knowledge of good and evil was given to Adam even before Eve was created (see Genesis 2:17). Eve knew of the restriction (see Genesis 3:2-3) - Adam obviously informed her but it was Adam who heard it first from God.
In 1 Timothy 2:14, Paul makes a distinction between the sin of Adam from the sin of Eve. Eve fell into sin because of a deception, however Adam was not deceived meaning he made a choice to sin. When Adam took the fruit from his wife Eve he knew full well what he was doing Adam was not mislead or misinformed he simply decided to rebel against God's command. Adam made a choice to listen to his wife instead of listening to God (see Genesis 3:17)
So although Eve was the first to sin, the solution to sin came through "her seed" (see Genesis 3:15). The seed, Jesus Christ was born of a virgin named Mary (see Matthew 1:18-25). He paid the price for sin and will redeem those who receive the salvation he offers (see John 3:16). Just as sin and death came through one man (Adam) it is also through one man Jesus Christ that grace and righteousness are given as free gifts to believing sinners. Through Adam we received a curse but through Jesus we received a blessing
There is NOWHERE in Quran allah personally created ANYTHING by saying let it be and it was..
I like that women and men pray together as one under God it shows unity 🙏🏻✝️
Never knew that muslims were experts at the bible.
Perhaps those words should be reordered: "Knew that Muslims were never experts at the bible." 😂
Muslims know better both Bible and Quran than New Age Christians.
@@ReasonedAnswers though all errors were made by ur scholars for money in the past before the Muhammad saw.
@@ReasonedAnswers thats all like making of errors happened before the Muhammad saw when Muhammad saw came he did his best to preserve remaining verses of bible.and people like u were also exist at that time.
@@MuhammadBilal-yc1fw _"all errors were made by ur scholars for money in the past according to quran."_ Um, no. The Quran says nothing about money. But thanks for admitting the Quran states that "scholars" (actually priests and rabbis) distorted the _meaning_ of the biblical text. The problem it also claims the text itself is unchangable. Yet, Muslims today say something different - that the text was changed. So which is correct? The Quran or Muslim apologists?
Love sister Mary!!
It's funny how they keep repeating the arguments you already shot down. Doing the same thing over and over expecting a different result is a sign of insanity. lol
I think you mean "...is a sign of Islam" ;)
Good and evil is like could and heat.
How you know good exist if there is nothing to compare it with?
Cold is quite literally the absence of heat energy, so that is actually a perfect comparison.
Good and evil are like light and darkness.
Darkness is the lack of light or the absence of it so you will
God created light and not darkness.
Lol. Cold is the absence of heat. Evil the absence of good. Excellent comparison, actually.
@@toomanymarys7355
Cold removed the fuel for heat.
Good remove the reason for evil.
@@LuisVazquez-hx3bk Huh? No. Cold happens when heat leaves. Cold isn't anything itself.
Meanwhile, there are even Arab teachers who successfully compare Islam with the mafia. With English subtitles I can follow that..... for me that is no longer very important WHERE now WHICH lie stands!
What is important for me is to help people in their everyday lives, who for example have great fears of life. And if you look around the world, this is not unfounded.
I do not go to any official church, for me they have all failed in the C-crisis, these are wellness Christians....
Well, yesterday I was talking to an Turkish amazon employee and he couldn't get enough of it. I said: look, you can talk to "Isa ben Hazerethlere" (and I must have pronounced it wrong...he was amused) HE is the great worry bearer, he walks by your side...You can be his friend, he is there. And that is quite a lot.
😂
God bless
Plzz make an debate with sheikh uthman channel name one message foundation
We open up every single stream to any Muslim. Perhaps it is you who should be asking Uthman to reach out to us. That or stop hiding behind "scholars" and start thinking for yourself.
@@ReasonedAnswers y he should reach up to u y dont u reach up to him he is spreading the truth in the streets and i believe that u can reach to him very easily.
Farooq only likes talking to ignorant people. He doesn't know Islam. He doesn't know Christianity. He runs away from Godlogic. He would never show his face here.
@@MuhammadBilal-yc1fw OK, keksi is a coward. Are you a coward too? Or will you be joining my next stream to defend your god? As far as Uthman goes, if you want to cover the cost of my plane ticket to California, I'll be happy to go chat with him. Until then, stop hiding behind Uthamn and start thinking for yourself please.
You can start with telling us why you think Muhammad is the last prophet.
Keksi gets served
Please support with the actual verse. The only verses I have found say, has one wife. Being homosexuality is a sin, this would mean that they are only talking about men when it comes to elders and deacons.
_"Please support with the actual verse. "_ You're going to have to be a bit more specific. A lot was said in the video.
_"The only verses I have found say, has one wife. Being homosexuality is a sin, this would mean that they are only talking about men when it comes to elders and deacons."_ While that is true, 1 Tim 3:2 isn't about homosexuality and is explicitly about the office of overseer/elder. No one denied that that position is restricted to men, so I'm not sure what you are asking about.
Looool. Try starting at the words "Likewise the WOMEN," after deacons. It isn't talking about wives there but deaconesses. Elder/overseers, who are the husbands of one wife. Deacons. Deaconesses. Three classes specified!
@@toomanymarys7355 what verse are you referring to when saying a woman can be a Deacon? I recall no verse and was looking to see if I could find one without luck.
@@MP15aug I never said women are deacons. They are deaconesses. 1 Timothy 3:11 and following are about deaconesses. Not about wives. That is how every single ancient Father understood it and what every church instituted. If you are ignorant of the Greek and church history, then that's fine, but anyone with honesty and a knowledge of the language and history isn't confused by this. Even John MacArthur has clearly stated that it means deaconesses.
@@toomanymarys7355 On first reading I don't see deaconess. I will check the Greek. I guess you are use to attacks. I was not attacking, simply looking for proof of what you were saying. I guess I should expect the response of, if you don't see it that way you are ignorant, and everyone agrees with me. The joys of online communication lol.