Cat Death - Sunny's Spiel | Warriors Analysis
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- These cats need to die. They’ll go to Starclan anyway and have long happy afterlives where they can still communicate with their kin. Please just kill them.
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Jayfeather is such a good medicine cat that he's doubled the life expectancy of everyone in Thunderclan.
Lmao yes
Lmao true
And due to him being a fan favorite will become the oldest cat in the history of warriors
@@Owenbot3000 oh please no, I cannot stand him lol
LMAO
Let’s not forget that all Bris said about her mentors death was
“Oh no Rosepetal!”
"Anyways..."
Wait Rosepetal was her mentor? Jeez! I forgot that
@@wolfkitty42 Rosepetal is everyone’s mentor, Rosepetal is your mentor, Rosepetal is my mentor
“Oh no!”
“Anyways”
@Moon it's noted multiple times that about the unique apprentice/mentor bond throrough the series, the only time they didn't share that bond was lionpaw/ashfur
"You either die a Runningwind or live long enough to see yourself become a Mistystar."
(Or a Onestar, or a Harestar, or a Bramblestar.... basically what I'm saying is Leafstar is the only good leader in the Clans right now.)
Leafstar and Squirrelflight
@@Bitchypoetsblog we all want squirrelstar
@@pyyton_ yussss
@Seandra Oakley yesss shes good too
@Seandra Oakley eww no ivypool sucks shes overrated and she overreacted when dovewing had more important stuff to do like deal with saving the clans even when she didn't want to and ivypool got mad and trained in hell like wtf grow up ivypool this is my opinion so please don't keep going Squirrelstar for life!!!!!!!
Ive honestly always thought a famine could be a good way to kill off a lot of cats. The clans grow too big and all of a sudden they don't have enough food to support them. I think it would provide lots of drama and kill off a lot of the old characters as older cats would have a harder time making it through the famine.
YES! BRING ON THE FAMINE. KILL THEM ALLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL!
Or an outbreak of rabies
Yeah, remember Goosefeather's Curse? Doestar is one of my favorite leaders, and seeing her die was so moving. Doestar really deserved more attention, though. Here's to a Doestar Super Edition!
So another "Great Hunger" from Goosefeathers Curse? I'm down for that it was really dramatic, sad and interesting then and it can be now if they do it right.
To be fair the Erin's arent even in control of their books - they can't even name cats anymore. It is the Working Partners team who constructs most of the story.
That's pretty sad to be honest
No wonder Twigbranch was made
And the working partners team isn't paid enough and has really short deadlines, so.... It's all kinda fucked
Did you notice how many filter words were in the second passage you read?? "Bristlefrost noticed", "Bristlefrost felt", "Bristlefrost remembered", "Bristlefrost became aware". These filter words distance the reader from the character/scene. In the passage from Rising Storm, Fireheart's pov uses none of those filter words. Context aside, the prose itself is hindering our ability to experience the characters' emotions.
(Erins, take note.)
On a different note, your narration and voices when reading the passages was AWESOME!
exactly! one of the most important rules of writing is “show not tell.” outright saying a character’s actions and emotions doesn’t work as well as describing them.
“Bristlefrost noticed that she was being forced to use filter words, and that she had no emotions at her friends deaths.”
Could you make a follow up video regarding how death works in Warriors?
Like, when a cat dies, or someone kills another, there’s LITTLE TO NO REACTION. This might just be a personal gripe of mine with the series, but I feel like death should be more prominent, *especially* when a POV character is responsible. It’s DEATH! It should have an IMPACT on people! (Or, cats, whatever.)
This only really ever happens when it’s relevant to the plot, it’s DOTC, it’s Hollyleaf, or it’s in the first/second series. (Redtail, Silverstream, Whiteclaw, Bluestar, Yellowfang, Feathertail, Hawkfrost, Tallstar, Mudclaw, etc.) And yes, I’m aware that there are a few exceptions like Firestar and Leafpool but you know what I mean.
This is just an idea I had and you definitely don’t have to use it. :p
-Ltb
It's so interesting because I absolutely agree, but then you have DOTC which is a relatively "new" arc and, imo, handles loss and grief pretty well (at least well by Warriors standards)... Characters love their siblings even when they're from different litters, cats are depressed over the loss of mates and children for more than a single chapter, etc... So that means the team CAN write these relationships, they just choose not to. And that's the most frustrating part.
@@saml815 Ooooh, yea! Ima edit the comment with the DOTC part.
I actually really loved that they had sudden deaths like Snowkit and Runningwind where they just died. It makes it more realistic, since they would not be able to just lie around and grieve when the clan was in danger from whatever killed them.
New to your channel! Great video! :D
Um hi pinky! You are everywhere I see today. P.S. you inspired me to draw
Omg ur here :)
I feel like Stemleaf’s death was lazily done compared to Yellowfang’s, they put way more emotion into Yellowfang’s..
Except Squilf. Squilf can never die, she's Firestar's daughter, she learned how to live like a main character!
Same for jayfeather
If sqilf becomes leader, old age will not take any lives. Or greencough
I think the reason Bristlefrost didn’t react much to Rosepetal, Berrynose, and Stemleaf’s deaths is because if she did then that would take away attention from the main conflict, and oh no, we can’t have that! Remain focused or something, I don’t know lol. It doesn’t really make that much sense to not have her grieve for at least Rosepetal and Stemleaf! If she was given that chance, than maybe she could have more personality in Darkness Within.
It really sucks that these characters’s deaths weren’t given more attention, but hopefully in Daisy’s Kin and Spotfur’s Rebellion they get some respect!
I honestly like the prequel series more. A trackable amount of cats, great twists, and one HELL of a battle! I actually tracked how many deaths went on in that series, and...hoo boy... There's a lot.
Poor TurtleTail though...
Honestly, I think Graystripe's going to be dead before the series is over.
Graystripe's Vow brought him back to the foreground for a moment. Let's look at what that book contained: Graystripe displaying leadership skills in the past, Graystripe displaying leadership skills in the present with Warriorclan, and the moonstone breaking. Also, Graystripe had the feelign that the clans were changing, and realized they didn't need Starclan.
So what I gather is this: whatever's interfering with starclan is Big -- big enough to block them away and big enough to let Ashfur come back and big enough to shatter the moonstone, and interfere with life and death itself. Beyond that: I think Graystripe is going to return to the clans, he's going to see the mess going on right now in the SPOILERY PREVIEW OF THE NEXT BOOK NOT RELEASED YET. IF YOU HAVN"T READ THE PREVIEW, THE NEXT FEW SENTENCES MIGHT HAVE SPOILERS, THOUGH I"LL TRY TO BE VAGUE. SPOILERS!!!! and take charge of the matter because of the circumstances and act as a level head between the 5 clans. He's probably going to sacrifice himself heroically at some point, possibly to save his best friend's daughter, or something.
and I think we're going to see the warrior code change. they're foreshadowing it pretty hard.
You were right, he died honorably just like he should have.
@@pikathemimikyu6655 Oh wow, thanks for replying to this, I'd forgotten I'd even made this prediction :) I was about half right! His taking charge didn't seem to matter too much,, but yeah, he had a good heroic death, without it being "and graystripe saves everyone"
Actually he died because he rubbed Squilf's words right into Ashfur's face and I loved it. I mean, not the dying bit, but the whole scene was really satisfying.
I knew there were spoilers, and I read it anyway, and now I’m mad at myself. XD
@@kindness_cat6212 Sorry XD Sometimes the spoilers increase the excitement... sometimes they don't :)
I actually have a headcanon that the lake territories are warmer, larger and more prey rich overall, leading to explosive cat populations compared to the old forest.
In addition, a lot of cats used to die on the thunderpath, but since there really isn’t any around the lake territories, there are no car hit related deaths or injuries anymore
Yeah, it's so hard, because it'll be sad when the OG characters die (like I really want to see Crowfeather and Squirrelflight become the leaders of their Clans so that we can hopefully have some interesting leaders for once) but at the same time they really need to die because the amount of characters is just getting out of control.
Also, congrats on almost 2k! You deserve way more though, these videos you make are AMAZING.
Truly. I think old characters should die of, but nonetheless go out with a bang. Like Graystripe, for instance; I want his death to be sad, for he’s been through a lot and all his friends are dead. I want Cloudtail and Brackenfur, to die helping their clan. I want to see new characters speak out, abs I want the POV characters to speak to them, and notice things about them.
@@gone22 Yeah ikr! Only thing is, deaths haven't been that sad lately.... so I'm scared that the old characters will have bland deaths where the current characters don't even grieve for them...
Yes i pretty much agree. Though you can't kill Mistystar. She is immortal lol. Love the outro btw💚
Well...about that
Before TBC came out: No major deaths in The power of 3.
After TBC: A S H F U R S D E A T H
But also before TBC: ashfur’s death
TP3 has Ashfur and Honeyfern. Also kind of Hollyleaf. We are supposed to believe that she's dead after all, and back then I did; I hadn't yet learned that in fiction, no one is dead until you see the corpse.
Meanwhile, Honeyfern silently cries.
Totally agree. Honestly, I haven’t been keeping up with the series very faithfully recently, and now I think I understand why. That raw emotion and connections that were there in the first few arcs just aren’t anymore. It really just feels like they’re pumping out these books as fast as possible. Also, you would be an amazing narrator.
they really are making the books as quickly as possible, with a 6 month schedule for every main series book as of recent times.
Listening to you read the part where Yellowfang dies made my eyes water up a bit, then you went to the reading of Stemleaf's death & it was disappointing in comparison. His death felt more of a death of a background character the main protag barely knew than a death of an ally, a friend & most importantly a romantic crush.
Then you have her mentor also dying which gets barely any attention, like she TRAINED you & your reaction is basically "Oh no! Well, anyways..."
StarClan's sake, even Runningwind's death had more of a punch to it & I thought that death was insanely glanced over as a whole.
I've dubbed this issue "Genwunner Syndrome", where cats older cats are given much more focus. Heck, it's sad to see that the cats represented on the last three covers on the latest arc are all not from TBC or even AVoS and the arc just derails its plot to deal with the aftermath of a romance subplot from *TNP*. (Man, now I want an AU/rewrite where this Imposter situation happened in OotS instead...)
Oh my, you're so right! Having the imposter show up would have given the early parts of the arc a bit more stakes, since the dark forest seems unwilling to actually do anything.
God. Thanks for reminding me of how much Yellowfang's death hurt. I think I legitimately cried over it as a child OTL.
Great analysis! I absolutely agree, seriously graystripe had such a good death set up for him in GV but ughhhhhhh nope we gotta keep beating that horse til it's completely through
Makes me wonder:After learning of Graystripe's passing, how many characters from the original series are even still alive? Cloudtail's alive still, but he's gonna go soon I think. Sad to see so many of them go, really...
Rose petals death hurt, I wanted her to be Squirrelflights deputy
Me to SquirrelStar and rosestar rosepetals death hurt me so much
@Torbie i was happy when he died cuz i hate him lol but im sorry that u where upset
@Torbie yes I agree but I never ever liked him but I was happy cuz he was one of my least favorites but I think he died to early
Wow the comparison of yellowfang and stemleaf hurt. Also your new endcard is adorable!
And this is why I'm determined to never let a clan population in my fan clans exceed 30, there's a total of 61 characters, 22 in OakClan, 21 in ScrapClan, and 18 in ValleyClan. But those numbers are about to be 21, 19, and 17
I will always tear up at Yellowfang's death. We can _feel_ Fireheart's pain and desperation. We've gotten to know Yellowfang just as he did. The detail of her wheezing breaths, smoke burned lungs, and inability to move help cement her determination to talk to Fireheart, to thank him and confide her fears to him despite being in so much pain. Fireheart tries to reassure her, listing off every amazing thing she's done and how good of a cat she was to ease her fear of being cast out by StarClan or somehow being a bad cat. It's to comfort her but, as we watch her die, it's partially to comfort himself.
Meanwhile, that latest death feels cold. He's by other dead cats. Bristlefrost is talking about herself and her grief and missed opportunities. This isn't about or for him. There were no last words. Though honestly, having no last words can work very, _very_ well in some cases. Here, it did not. There were also filter words on Bristlefrost's case, furthering our emotional connection further.
"Oh, no, it's Stemleaf!" has the same energy as "Oh, hi Mark."
I love this channel bc I only read the first book series but it inspired me to try and write something of my own. Kittypets. It's been too long since I've heard/read this term and I'm here for it.
Omg I'm subscribing
1. Your a freaking calico cat
2. Instead of just reading the text you actually try to do voices
3. You use the majority of your own drawing (I think you drew them)
And yeah have a great day
The Dark Forest battle was the biggest let down. That was the time where they could have killed off heaps of cats and made it really meaningful!
We got some deaths but then everyone was replaced by their hollow clones; looking at you Hollytuft and Sorrelstripe.
@Nightyz 00 ohhh I haven't read Daisy's kin! I would actually love to see Sorrelstripe show some personality
I don't know. Killling many relevant characters at once has the risk of making their death overshadow each other. Which is definitively what happened for me. Every ghost who died? Meaningless, cause they already had a more impactful death before. Firestar? I saw it coming from ten thousand miles away, and also making him the fourth cat is boring. I'd say that only Hollyleaf's death worked for me because it happened during a personnal confrontation(Ivypool and Hawkfrost)where the danger felt real. But even for her, I got let down by her last conversation with Leafpool. She says like two lines and then she's dead.
I realize this was made before the last book of the broken code was released, but Greystripe has passed on, and can finally be Reunited with his best friend
I kind of fell out of the Warriors fandom after the second series (and some of the earlier Super Editions). So I'm glad to have found your channel (and others) to help catch me up to what's going on in the series now.
Omg I'm so excited your video is what I needed today!!!!
Everyone can die but please not my squirrel baby
Yes! I need Squirrelstar! Bramble for the snake!
I just found your channel I think yesterday and I'm currently bing watching all of your vids. Your commentary is great, I adore your art, and your videos are well made and easy to follow!
I feel like they should just make one of the older characters one of the protagonist. They could use that to acknowledge that yes, the series won’t be like it used to be, but that doesn’t mean it will be bad. Like if they had and older Jayfeather interacting with a younger main character or something. He could be bitter but willing to help them out with their prophecy sense he never received help with his.
I love this channel qwq
We need more channels like this!
I hope plumstone gets some development, their name is too cute to just let them die
*Erins have so many opportunities to make us cry but don't because they're attached to background characters.* XD
And you're right. If the old cats are still alive, Thunder Clan will only keep growing for an infinity. And it would be good to give the background characters some more personality and include them in actual action and create actual relationships with some main characters, at least not to feel they're just...there. It would make the deaths more meaningful, like Yellowfang's.
Oh, yes, I saw Moonkitty's video. :)
So please, Erins, don't kill Squirrelflight and Jayfeather. That's what's important to me. 😁
I love your videos! I can tell you’re gonna be big some time. I love listening to these when I draw. Also, WHY MUST YOU REMIND ME OF YELLOWFANG’S DEATH? MY HEART CANT TAKE IT
Realy love your videos
We need a thunder clan cat scythedom at this point.
(For reference, I'm making a reference to a book series where, due to immortality, there are too many people so people called scythes are the only ones who can kill them, or that's the SparkNotes version anyways)
I love how i dont even read the books at all and yet i still recognized Lionblaze at the beginning
Cats I want to die in the final book of The Broken Code or just in general. (I just finished viel of shadows so if someone on this list already died then I'm not up to it) (My leader choices at the end)
TC:
Lionblaze
Bumblestripe
Brightheart and Cloudtail and Graystripe (they better bloody die fighting off the Imposter and his supporters or istg)
Brackenfur too (i think thatd be cool but I also don't mind him chilling as an elder with Whitewin and Birchfall when they show up.)
Daisy (I want her to go down fighting)
Lilyheart
Cherryfall and Molewhisker (either they both go or neither go)
Blossomfall (just get rid of her my God. I just don't like her lol)
Eaglewing (who tf is she?!)
Stormcloud (he was pretty cool, have him go down spectaculary please)
Flipclaw (he has to die as a warrior!)
Shellfur (who in the world even is he?!)
Plumstone (^^^)
Flywhisker (Twigbranch development people!)
Sorrelstripe
Snaptooth
Leafshade
Cinderheart (send her out fighting!)
Dewnose (send him out fighting HARD)
Whitewing (this one is more of an eh, she can live if she wants)
ShC:
Strikestone
Snowbird
Berryheart
Whorlpelt
Hollowspring
SkC:
Macgyver (he's lived his life, kill him off)
Dewspring (D E V E L O P M E N T for Rootspring!)
Sandynose
Harrybrook
Reedclaw (either kill her or have her secretly have kits with Dewspring before he dies)
Turtlecrawl or Kitescratch (one or the other)
Tinycloud (she's had 2 litters, let her go)
Fallowfern (send her off in battle, she might be deaf but she should go down as a warrior.)
Either Fidgetflake or Frecklewish idm which.
Cherrytail
WC:
Harestar (at least 1 more life)
Emberfoot
One of the Breeze x Heather kits
Featherpelt
Whiskernose
Hootwhisker
Oatclaw
RC:
Mistystar (at least 1 life, preferably 2 if she has any left)
Reedwhisker (We 👏 Don't 👏 Want 👏 Reedstar 👏! We want Minnowstar! Although im okay with him becoming leader If he gets charavhter developmentand chooses Minnow as his deputy)
Mothwing or Willowshine (1 or the other)
Sneezecloud
Breezeheart
Dappletuft
GHOSTS:
Bluestar & Yellowfang (either kill them or make them go away)
Juniperkit (Hes just another basic Tigerstar clone. He would make awesome development for Squilf too)
Leader choices:
Tc: Squirrelstar with Ivypool as her deputy.
SC: Cloverfoot with Cinnamontail as her deputy. Or Pouncestep.
RC: Minnowstar and some random tom as dep. OR Reedstar with Minnowtail as deputy.
SkC: Leafstar can stay for a while but then I want Hawkstar with Needleclaw as deputy.
WC: I'd like see Crowstar with either Breezepelt as deputy or Nightcloud. Id also like to see Heathertail as deputy!
Really, you want to kill off bluestars ghost! Then ax off her daughter and grandson as well. That's just wrong. Also if you don't like tigerstar clones(completely agree) then kill of lightleap and pouncestep, can't risk them having tigerclone kits.
@@TheAshfurApologist Mistystar was born in Bluestars Prophecy when Bluestar was about 15-16 moons old. Mistystar is currently alive as of most recent book. She is the oldest cat alive EVER. She should be killed off. Reedwhisker is boring af and has literally no personality. The main ghosts need to die because there are too many. Also, P L O T D E V E L O P M E M T. Bluestar and Yellowfang as ghosts constantly butt in and need to either die or mind their own business.
@@mcytfan1415 cats can live well into their 20's, and misty is about 16 years old. And I know people want sardinetail to succeed mistystar, but that title still belongs to her son. You might think he's boring, but he deserves a chance to become a interesting character.
@@TheAshfurApologist "Sardinetail" very mature. Reedwhisker has 0 personality. Minnowtail was a dark forest recruit, nearly died int he great battle defending her clan, she is friends with Mothwing AND she actually has a personality. What does Reedwhisker have? The same blood as Bluestar. Thats literally it. Also the 20 year thing is not true for wild cats. Most wild cats live around 8-10 years but also quite often less. Mistystar is very old for a wild cat
@@mcytfan1415 bluestar wasn't some bum, the blood she a reed share is iconic, but yet being friends with moth balls gives minnytail more personality? O she was with the traitors legion with the dark forest, did she actually do anything. Just not seeing anything that makes her stand out over Reedwhisker.
Bruh your so underrated
Im so early what in the world- But i dont regret it!
I’m over the legacy kits. Not every cat has to be a parent. I wanted Ivypool to be mateless bc she was cool on her own but then she gets with her cousin
I like writing cats give final words to their friend/family- if they get the chance to speak. Some of my OC’s- like Storkfeather, Mousepaw, Smallpaw, and Birdpaw- die before they even know what happened. My favorite deaths that I have planned so far are Shard’s, Bushpelt’s, Brookpelt’s, and Furzesong’s.
In a super edition that leads in to an arc, ThunderClan’s leader Larchstar is abducted by twolegs. While finding his way home, he collects kittypets to join a dying ThunderClan. He finds a group of rogues with a nasty leader named Sycamore. Sycamore comes from a long line of cats who force all she-cats to be their mates and tells other toms who can and cannot be their mates. Larchstar convinces a large portion of them to run away and join ThunderClan, one of which is Shard, a Siamese she-cat that is the mother of Sycamore’s kits, Flame and Patches. While running away, Sycamores group herds them into a narrow tunnel. Seeing that there was no way to outrun Sycamore, Shard licks each of her kits on the head, makes Larchstar swear he will take care of them, then confronts Sycamore before anyone can stop her, knowing she’ll die. Her last words are to tell her kits to be the best warriors they can be. When she dies, she makes sure she falls in a way that makes her body block the narrow path. To continue the chase, Sycamore has to remove her body, giving Larchstar and the group time to escape. Larchstar adopts Flame and Patches, renaming them Flamekit and Patchkit. Both are extremely effected by Shard’s death and go in different directions. Patchkit chooses to be a warrior that honors her mother by living for herself and is named Patchcloud, while Flame chooses to honor his mother with every breath her takes and is named Flameshard in her honor. He learns throughout apprentice training with his mentor Splashheart how to live for both himself and his mother and the two eventually becomes mates. One of the couples also names a kit Shardkit after her, who goes on to be named Shardtalon.
Bushpelt was one of the loners Larchstar found. He and a ThunderClan born she-cat named Hawkclaw becomes mates and have a daughter named Hollykit together before retiring when Hollykit is an apprentice named Hollypaw. The come out of retirement to help Hollypaw and the arc’s ThunderClan protagonist Shellpaw on a quest. In the middle of a battle, Hollypaw is pinned down and about to be killed when Bushpelt saves her. He’s badly injured and uses the last of his strength to tell Shellpaw how glad he is he became a warrior, tell Hawkclaw how much he loves her, and tell Hollypaw how proud he is of her, also playfully threatening to come back from the dead if Hollypaw dares to name any future kits after him. When they return, Shellpaw and Hollypaw are given their warrior ceremonies, Shellpaw being named Shellfeather to honor his bond with his father, Robinsong. Hollypaw interrupts her own ceremony to request she be named Hollybush in honor of her father, which Larchstar agrees to. Hollybush and Shellfeather becomes mates and spend the next book building a stronger bond together before being thrown back into the trouble surrounding the Clans.
Brookpelt was made a warrior at the end of the super edition and was the mother of the ShyClan protagonists Furzesong and Birchfrost. She was forced to have kits with Hailwhisker- a cat she didn’t love- by her leader. When Birchfrost comes out as lesbian, Brookpelt disowns her, which hurts Birchfrost and makes her cynical because they had a strong bond. When Birchfrost is exiled for her sexuality, Birchfrost realizes her mistake and is happy when her son brings Birchfrost home, but quickly realizes she damaged their relationship beyond repair. Her secret relationship with Tigerfur- a tom her leader disapproved of for his lack of hatred for other Clans- is revealed when she has his kits. She named one of her new sons Birchkit after her daughter, but Birchfrost takes it the wrong way, thinking her mother is trying to “replace her” with a “new Birchkit” which leads to more conflict. Meanwhile, Furzesong has been made Clan leader, Furzestar, and hasn’t even been congratulated by his mother as she is so focused on her new litter and fixing things with Birchfrost. Resentment grows and he wishes things would go back to normal, that his family could get back to how they used to be, when Hailwhisker took an interest in their training and Brookpelt always gave them encouragement. The former SkyClan leader who never had 9 lives starts filling his head with nonsense. He exiles several cats, Birchfrost and Tigerfur included, when the former leader suggests it. Then helps the evil RiverClan leader try to retake control of RiverClan, with aid from an occult group he had met previously. Birchfrost, Tigerfur, ThunderClan, and some WindClan cats come to help. Hailwhisker tries to kill Tigerfur, but Brookpelt gets between them. Tigerfur and Birchfrost kill Hailwhisker and Brookpelt’s final words are an apology to Birchfrost.
After her mother’s death, Birchfrost confronts Furzestar, taking his first life from him. In StarClan, Brookpelt apologizes to him too. Furzestar chooses to step down as leader after talking with her and she tells him that because of Birchfrost hatred for her Clan, she couldn’t be leader, despite being Furzestar’s deputy. But she promises the medicine cat will be told who StarClan picks when they are ready and to just allow allow her (the medicine cat) to leader while he waits as RiverClan’s leader was just killed and his deputy was ready to take his place. Furzestar agrees, allows himself to be held prisoner when he returns to the living world, and is surprised along with everyone else when the cat chosen to replace him is Doveheart, Birchfrost’s mate who had originally come from the occult group. The ceremony goes fine, Furzestar returns to being Furzesong and Doveheart becomes Dovestar. Then Furzesong decides to leave the Clans, self exile to atone for his actions. Birchfrost, Dovestar, and his pregnant mate, Squirreltail, beg him jot to, but he does. He is captured by the twoleg place rogues Larchstar had encountered before, only they’re now led by Shred- Sycamore’s son and killer- and the former SkyClan leader is among them. His younger half brother, Birchkit, is now Birchpaw and Birchfrost’s apprentice. He gets captured too, and the former SkyClan leader tries to kill him, but Furzesong saves him. He’s badly injured and just barely gets Birchpaw back to SkyClan camp before collapsing. He meets his kits for the first time and says goodbye o Squirreltail and Birchfrost before dying. The ShadowClan protagonist is a medicine cat and he speaks to her in StarClan when she next goes to the Moonpool, giving her the prophecy that leads into the next arc.
I like torturing myself by writing scenes that make me cry lol
I binge-read all of the books in six months, up to A Light in the Mist, for the first time. When you said ”Most people haven't read all of the books,” I'm just like, I'm exceptional, yay!
Bluestars prophecy will always be the best written grief and death to me. Moonflower and Snowfurs deaths were FELT, not just by Bluestar (Bluepaw and Bluefur at the times) but by the clan. We saw how each cat was affected by the deaths.(Ex: Poppydawn was distraught when she found out her close friend, Moonflower, was dead) I wish there was more like that.
Gray Wing's death scene is the best in the serie in my opinion. But Yellowfang's is pretty good too!
You obviously raise a good point about the older characters being recognizable for older fans, and I think that's absolutely why the Erin's keep them around. But as an older reader, personally, it's definitely super annoying to have all of these useless background characters-- it makes the writing seem so much worse and it makes it more obvious that the writers and editors don't really see any value in them other than to beef up the cast. I'd much rather have old characters killed off and actually have newer ones be given a personality!! It's especially annoying that, as you mentioned, TBC has only killed off characters that are related to the plot and thus have SOME kind of personality... Like say what you want about Berrynose being a jerk or whatever, but at least he has a singular, identifiable character trait!!
Also, in my observation, the big cast is detrimental to younger readers too. My 9yo niece just started The Sight and is already complaining about how many cats there are! She could hardly remember the generic background characters of the first 2 arcs to begin with, there's absolutely no way she'll be able remember characters like... Idk, Hollytuft? Eaglewing? Thriftear?
I always thought it was strange how Bristlefrost handled those deaths, but I guess you can't expect too much out of these books.
I feel like the best course of action the warrior series could take would be to just straight up skip several generations into the future.
Have a new kitty society that is "new" and "changed", for the better or worse.
They could take many more creative liberties this way, especially when creating new characters.
You could talk about the descendants of Firestar (for that marketing strenght), but they are so removed from their cat heritage they don't really know who Firestar really is, or how he acted. Maybe make one of them one of the worst villains the clans has ever seen (oh the misery).
Or introduce new rules and customs never seen before because they don't fit the current narrative easily.
Just a whole world of posibilities.
And with the release of A Light in the Mist this problem didn’t become much better, did it? The only two living cats to die were Bristlefrost (a point of view cat, a breakthrough… at the cost of being so damn confusing, screw you Dark Water), and Graystripe, a cat that should have died at least in the last arc because he’s an elder. Oof.
there was more of a balance between mortality and births for the first 2 series' and first 4-5 super editions. It makes me wonder whether the lack of characters dying is the Erin's way of trying to change their image to be more palatable (since the series is more popular than ever). At this point there has to be nearly 30+ cats in each clan.
Something I like about off screen deaths, is that I can imagine how they died and cats reactions to it, however I want.
I’m one of the few who’s read all the books, if you asked me to name any new background characters from broken code or AVoS, I would not be able to tell you anyone. All I know is who MoonKitti has implanted in my brain after watching her talk about patrol kits for 13 minutes.
I’m ok with letting original cats go just please let them see each other in starclan as reunion please!
yess we need new devolped characters
one of the reason the first arc characters are loved so much are because they're developed. sure them being the nostalgic ones plays a part in it but no one would remember them if they weren't as well written with established personalities as they were.
alot of the characters were memorable, but if you asked me to name more than a couple cats in thunderclan right now, i just wouldnt be able to. none of them are all that important 😅
What I think should happen is that an arc should be focused on an event like The Great Hunger that Goosefeather predicted and the protagonists have to bring everyone together in order to survive, with Gray Wing and Pebble Heart being the ones who brings the prophecies this time and they call back to their time when we see them. And fairly quickly in the book its Spring yet there is no prey, and it progresses into Summer and some cats are starving now. Second book starts with some deaths, territories at first get more focus and we get first arc kind of battles. The protagonists would get the clans to resolve their differences by the end of the series and they have to work together. The next series has it at the start but returns to a pseudo status quo by the third book.
This is all so very true
Hearing the send off to yellowfang broke my heart
I need to point out something. There is a cat named Mosspelt from Riverclan she is from the first series she was feathertail and Stormfur's foster mother when graystripe joined riverclan and she is STILL ALIVE if you check the cat list she is an elder. How is she not dead yet!? ITS BEEN LIKE 7 SERIES ALREADY
Cats I think should die:
Jayfeather
Lionblaze
Bramblestar (permanently ffs)
Greystripe
Cloudtail
Brightheart (I’d cry so hard though)
Squirrelflight (I want her to be leader first then we timeskip years after her death)
Mistystar
Crowfeather
Nightcloud
Tiger(heart)star (we just need another female leader of ShadowClan jeez)
...Barely 💔
MistyStar needs to stay immortal, the others can p e r i s h
No way Jayfeather is going to be an old man, and Squirrelflight needs a LOT of time as leader she'd be a goddess at it. Also I do want to see Crowstar a while but the rest? jfc die already.
Tbf, The Lake arguably softened everyone up by being seemingly better turf than The Forest.
I never thought in my search history would be something titled cat death
This was recommended to me after i watched the cat no like banana full trilogy
The power of three generation was basically the warrior cats equivalent to the baby boom generation
Your realy great
i don’t care who dies, but all i want if for greystripe and mistystar to go
Yes, and also Bramblestar
Ngl, you haven’t read Broken Code since the cats (including Greystripe) left for the wander, I saw on the app in a reading that some of the cats who went on the wander became kitty pets and I was like “WHAAAAT?????” I was so confused but then didn’t care, because I didn’t really know them
Wow I didn't know there was that many books I wanted 1 but my friend took the last one :(
Oh I'm so agree with you!
I'm sick of this old cats... I know they're loved by fans, but this is kinda annoying... In the old series and super additions we could see how fast the cats becoming old (just think about Yellowfang that became an old lady just because her son grew up. Sunstar that led ThunderClan only for a rew months I think. And more...), but in the new series CATS ARE STILL ALIVE AND NOT EVEN OLD EVEN THOUGH THEY ALREADY HAVE GREAT-GRANDCHILDREN. When I heard that Squirrelflight is going to be almost the main character in the new series I was like "Whaaaat?? This is cat from the second series, come on! Let the new generation take the place!".
Sorry for that people... The new series are such a mess. I can't read Warriors lately... So I think I'm just gonna give up on reading this and focus on arts or something...
(Sorry for my bad English)
We need like a mass death event just to half some of the clans
I hate how we were all excited to see Graystripe die because he deserves a good, happy ending- preferably one that pertained to his nobility, loyalty, and love- for his clan, and his best friend. Maybe one where he is sacrificing himself for the sake of ThunderClan and instead all we got was... him living
I swear I recenize your voice from somewhere...
I don’t understand why they’re so reluctant to kill cats for marketing’s sake when this is a universe where we can meet cats again in the afterlife and in dreams. Like, you can still include these characters for the people who want them while also killing them off so they don’t take up so much space. I really don’t get why they’re so hesitant to let cats from the early series die.
first series will always be best series
Me who never read the broken code: I need that bookkkk
Half of warrior cat youtuders: Nope we will spoiled it
Watching as I prepare for cat and dog Videos. I watch it after I download it. I watch as I put together. I watch it again after the recording. I upload it to CZcams and watch it again. Still I can't get enough. I love them. Does anyone know why that way?
I've always kind of wanted them to just do a massive timeskip where all the characters in the new series are unfamiliar and new, with only genetics and stories to tie them to the original cast. Much as I adore the first series, I'm tired of the story always using it as a crutch. A complete timeskip would give us a new cast to enjoy and get to know all over again, with new story potential. IDK, maybe some of the younger characters in the new generation could be cranky old elders, but even that's unnecessary.
Plus, for new readers it would make a good jumping-on point.
I hate that I don't even know Plumstone or Eaglewing
Yeah more cats really need to die. The most recent book only killed off two cats: Graystripe and Bristlefrost, in a massive hyped up battle that was supposed to involve all the clans.
They do seem to have a problem killing off older characters. I feel like the poor new cats only exist as cannon fodder. So cats can die, but not main characters. Rather sad, because as readers we feel nothing at their deaths. Which makes their deaths meaningless.
Right? I'm so sad they killed off characters like Foxleap, Toadstep, Rosepetal and Stemleaf instead of cats like Thornclaw, Brackenfur, Cloudtail, and Brightheart. As much as I love those four, they had their time.
Also, can we please get rid of Mistystar?
So Snaptooth. Eagle something. -basically blossoms kits except stem- (stem is actually has something to him) sorrel-stripe dew nose. Lionblaze. That is all I have to say. Lilly heart. Storm cloud. Honey fur . Plumstone.
I think that Leafshade should go instead of Honeyfur because Honeyfur has a bit more personality than her sister. Also I like Honeyfur’s name 👍
Well you’re lucky gray stripe Dide finally!
Or you can shift focus to different clans depending on the Arch. Just sayin
I started reading this series because it was about a bunch of kitties fighting and killing. What happened to that?? The drama!
That should be flipped around squirrelflight will always be better than spotfur could ever dream
THIS IS THE FIRST I'VE HEARD OF BERRYNOSE DYING AND I AM SO SAD. NOOOOOO BERRY BABY MAN
I don't really care as much about Berrynose dying, but his death was so quick, Tawnypelt killed him in like 2 seconds!
A Light in the Mist spoilers //
graystripe died so check that one off the list :)
How to destroy all Warriors fans: Eaglewing-Eaglestar
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Honestly I kinda have a strange opinion on this, but I don't think that the population should remain small (not just for Thunderclan). I know that real life cat colonies are very small, but litters of cats should be MUCH BIGGER. I know warrior cats is very unrealistic, but I just find it strange how cats can only have a maximum of four. Irl cats can have a LOT more. Plus to sustain a large population without incest you'll need more cats.
Of course it will also be a challange to give each one character. Also, giving all the other four clans a equal population to Thunderclan.
Yep yep yep yep. I want quality over quantity
You’d think that cats in the wild would die easily. Especially because they fight each other
Yeah, fights rarely happen, and when they do, it's because of an oustide force
Actually, no. Solitary territorial animals(like cats) very rarely kill each other. But to be fair, cats here aren't solitary, and monkeys for example do kill each other in battle.
My kid Rachel is 7! And she wants for her birthday TWO WARRIORS BOOKS what are: into the wild and fire and ice
You know it says something when I'm scrolling through the alliances and I see say lilyheart and my first though was "wait.... She is still alive? We literally havent seen her in years!"
The population could have been curved if when going into avos they had legacy kits but had half of them either die of random causes or didn't make it to adult hood.. I hate to say it but give us more snowkits! Not only will it resonate with fans but we could have meaningful characters without having a clan the size of a small country! I also agree though kill all of the older characters off, if they were warriors by the end of power of three they need to go, have the oots gen be the senior warriors and everyone else follows shop have twigbranch be the new dustpelt, have blossom fall in the back leers den Bumblestripe... Somewhere, have ivypool as leader and maybe bris or sparkpelt as deputy, get some newer characters up there.
I think some of the most useless cats in ThunderClan are Leafshade, Honeyfur and Larksong (maybe not as much as his sisters), in my opinion, because at the end of OOTS, Lilyheart was only a kit, but in the first books of AVOS, she is a queen. I am aware there is quite a large gap between the two arcs, but it just feels wrong, kinda like the Violetshine situation. It goes to show for the infinite time that the authors keep adding characters without killing the older cats. Honeyfur and Leafshade have done nothing in the books, but at least Larksong had some minor moments until he died.
Also, I noticed that the newer protagonists don't barely get into any higher position and after the arc ends, they just become background characters.