Another Seiko QC Issue! Seiko SBDC101 Trouble
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- čas přidán 8. 09. 2024
- I'm back but not much has changed, Seiko is still having QC issues! This time it's the new Seiko SBDC101. The watch is having big issues with the movement and leads to an interesting question!
Links for more info:
Seiko SBDC101: www.seikowatch...
Cheers,
Mike
Gnomon charge authorized dealer prices, so they should provide authorized dealer support.
That’s why when you drop a $1000 or more on a watch, you should buy it from a Seiko AD in the States. I bought my SPB149 from an AD and asked all sorts of warranty and service related questions before forking over my $1350. I wanted to ensure I was fully covered by the factory warranty or by the seller as an AD should any issues arise. I hope Gnomon covers you. I’ve heard plenty of good things about them, so I wouldn’t be too concerned.
My SPB149 gained 45 seconds per day in the dial up position, 3 minutes per day in the dial down position, and had a wildly erratic beat error on a timegrapher. Had to send it back for repair. Still runs 20 seconds fast per day, “within specs” for Seiko. Seiko quality control is just awful. Beautiful watch, lousy movement. A basic ETA 2824 is much more reliable and more accurate.
Agreed; my Steinhart’s are worlds better watches for the price.
Oh lord.. that really puts me off.. 😖
I gave mine away to my father in law. Keeping my seiko tuna. Accuracy is utter rubish
Try to demagnetize the watch with a demagnetizer
That’s the problem with Seiko. Their QC issues were acceptable when most of their dive watches were $200-$500. Misaligned chapter rings, misaligned bezels etc. All understandable for a watch at that price. But these are now $1,000 watches that still have misaligned bezels, off-centre lume pip on the bezel, faulty movements. If Seiko plans to move upmarket and charge Swiss prices (like they’re doing now) they really need to fix these issues. There’s no value in the brand at this price.
it has to be frustrating for the ADs too bc they did nothing wrong but the unreliability of the seiko non japan made QC issues are wide spread :(
I gotta take issue with the Seiko trolls. If this was a $10,000 Rolex you would get 2 choices. A refund or a repair of the watch. They will not give you a new replacement watch. Neither will PP, AP, VC, Omega, Breitling, or Tudor. So Gnomon is being fair. They will fix your watch and if it cant be fixed, they will give you a new one. And this is a $1000 watch not a $10,000 watch. They should pay for shipping both ways, as that is not your fault. No offense, but a free replacement watch is a bridge to far.
So you will end up with an "old" watch because a watch that is operated on by someone is old for me. Buying a new old one LOL.
Two absolutely gorgeous timepieces. Sorry to hear about the movement issues. Hopefully the issued is handled quickly and completely.
It was! The watch is running great now, with no issues. Gnomon took care of it by replacing the movement altogether, then testing it to assure it was running. They even sent me a photo of the watch on a timegraph!
@@JustWatchreviews how long did it take to send the watch back and get it fixed than get it back again?
@@pregardt it was 2 weeks or so IIRC
Bummer about the movement, it’s a darn good lookin’ watch!
My SPB143 did the same thing...it wouldn’t stop completely but would just randomly lose 15 minutes overnight. Did this on several nights even fully wound. When wearing it the next day it was spot on all day. I lost faith in it and it just sits on by desk.
Just wanted to share I picked up SPB213 (limited blue bezel / white dial) that had a loose date wheel that would move up and down when you shook the watch. I exchanged it to SPB143 and a few days later notice the hour hand is misaligned about 5-6 minutes and the lume dot on the bezel is of the wrong color! (it's cool blue instead of warm green). I truly cannot believe these watches are being made in Japan... If I had to put a price based the QC I've experienced, these watches should be about $500 MSRP.
Maybe sub $100 with those sort of issues. A $500 Citizen won't have any alignment issues or loose/faulty parts. Seiko needs to make their watches worth the price they charge or go downmarket
I think U got the fake / copy 1:1 Seiko watch. Beware.
Bezel misaligned, jangly bracelet, +2 MINUTES PER day and the worst bezel action I've ever felt. I'm hoping it's fake.
Good to see you back Mike. I hope they do the right thing. In the future try Seiya as a retailer in Japan
Sorry to hear about your issue. It's good to know how Gnomon handles issues like this. I would not buy from them...good to know
They’ve handled it well, I’ll update in a new issue soon.
I have the SPB143 and love it....But I've noticed that if I screw the crown down just that little bit too tight it's almost impossible to unscrew. Not very pleased.
Not sure I agree with you that this is much improved over the 051/053 series. The 051 had nicer indices , a beautiful domed sapphire, and I actually prefer the arrow hand handset. Yes the 051 is bigger by about 2mm , but thats relative to your wrist size really. Prices of the new model are about $200 more new , than the 051, and the only improvement is the longer power reserve. People bang on about power reserve etc but in reality your lucky if it's still running after 3 days whatever the so called reserve is claimed to be. Personally I would buy a preowned 051, over this new model because it's more interesting and can now be had for less than half the price used. I've had no issues with my 051 and everything lines up perfectly, and it's only out by a minute per week or so of wearing it. I don't see how seiko can justify the extra price point for a similar quality watch ? The 051 seemed expensive compared to say a sumo , when it came out, but at least it was a big step up in quality in the over all aesthetics. It's not just seiko who are pushing up their prices, most manufacturers are, all though I can see them having to discount heavily if they want to sell them in 2021, because that's going to be a very tough year worldwide !!!
Ugh, that's bad. I will pray for mine. I've had the same issue with an Oris.
I only buy Seiko Tunas from Seiko. It’s like IWC, only buy pilots. I also had an issue with the SBDC051 on the bezel alignment, a watch a bought from Gnomon. They told me they could refund it, but I would have to pay the return fee. I ended up sticking with it... but after 3 months of wearing I just got frustrated and sold it - but I did tell the buyer about the alignment. I lost about $300 on the watch. I will never buy online again for a Seiko.
Nice seeing you back.....I have an issue with a 1 year old bluemo movement is acting crazy
Check and see if it is magnetized
For the money Seiko now charge there are just too many QC issues....very disappointing.
I agree....money back or new piece.
Good to see you back in action! Great review,
Thanks Dan
I was thinking of pulling the trigger on a SBDC101, think I will go with an ETA made movement. And I was really sold on your review watch.
That really stinks about the movement and I agree you should definitely get a brand new watch
Welcome back mate. Looking forward to seeing more videos 🇬🇧
Glad you're back, nice surprise. OK, so this is just me, but I'd rather they fixed the movement that's in it, or replace the watch. I realize this isn't a PP or VC, but I'd rather the watch stay as original as possible. It's good looking, but it IS disappointing, especially since (to me) this watch ain't cheap. I know, even if it's a 30 dollar Timex it should function correctly, but to me even more so as the price goes up. Hope it works out for you.
Thank you
Doesn’t say much about the dealer. I would immediately tell you to bring it in and had you a new one when you come in. Send the watch back to Seiko in New Jersey with an explanation of circumstances. Seiko should have no issue with it if they are an honorable company.
I bought one ... it has a vers disapointing +100s/day discrepency .... HoW possible ?
No QC at all ? ! ! !
I get your frustration, but its a warranty issue. Rolex would have done the same thing for a $10k+ watch.
I’ve had mine for 24 hours and it’s lost 4 seconds. So far so good but this has me concerned. Hopefully I got a good one!
Good luck with your case, i am sure gnomon will take care of it. Both watches are perfect for ur wrist. Cheers
Thanks 🙏🏻
It looks like it has a fully aligned bezel. I'd get a new movement in that case. Who knows what problems a replacement might come with. I wouldn't be too hard on Seiko, I have a Sinn which had to go back to the factory twice to get the exact same thing fixed. It was a sold out limited edition so couldn't be replaced and I liked the watch so didn't want my money back. One thought, doesn't Seiko have a US service centre that could do a simple movement swap under warranty?
Extremely rare to ever hear of Seiko movement issues let alone any seiko quality control issues. You were an an extremely unlucky buyer sorry to hear.
Then you must have won at least 10 lotteries.
Hi , I have the same watch . When I pull out the crown to wind the watch and putting crown back it locks up as if it catching on something?
If it’s within the return period they should exchange it for another. After that, repair.
Issues like this are why I no longer buy Seiko. I’ve moved on to other brands and have had no quality or qc issues since.
@f. m. I’ve moved upstream, so I’m not really in the same price range anymore. But, the closest would be Hamilton.
Ouch! Here's hoping they send a replacement!
It also can be a fake ? As good as it looks these watches get replicated.
It was purchased from an authorized Seiko dealer, so I doubt it.
When you do a more in-depth review I would like to hear about the end links. They don’t seem right for the lugs.
Agreed. I have a lot to say about the bracelet, stay tuned.
@ulyssess26 covered that in my review of this exact watch
Slap the watch in your hand while holding the bracelet sometime the spring sticks
I have had so many problems with seiko. I know a lot of people really like the brand but I have just been burned too many times.
Yeah I’m the same- owned pretty much every mechanical diver but had problems on at least 50-60% of them. Usually small but it means when you buy you don’t have excitement waiting for your new purchase to arrive you have anxiety 😁 there’s enough decent brands about now that I’d rather go with them (Christopher Ward, Halios or Sinn all offer watches at this price point)
Glad you are back! Any plan to review the Explorer?
Thanks! Eventually, IDK it’s old and my older Rolex reviews don’t do well in terms of views
Seiko don’t repair movements. They just replace them with a new movement
Evidence?
Very informative, great video !!
Thank you!
No no no ! Thousands of dollars for Seiko's ? Which have bezel misalignments and all sorts of basic faults ! ! No way - no way would I put up with that on a watch that cost over 500 dollars or euros. I have and have had Swiss automatics - take them out the box, don't even wind, just a few gentle shakes of the watch, put it on, wear it a day and the next morning the watch is running, ticking and keeping really good time. I have an entry level 1975 Omega that I hardly ever wear and which has had NO service in 30 years - I put it on WITHOUT winding, just a few gentle shakes to get it going and it keeps great time.
It's a nice looking Seiko...
I’ve had two watches that I’ve purchased online the Sinn U50, and Oris Propilot 41. that were mechanical duds. The Sinn wouldn’t even run, the oris was doing date changes at 6 instead of midnight. In both instances I asked for and received a refund. The guys at watchbuys were quick and easy (less than 24 hours). The Oris experience took about 1 month to resolve with offers to fix or replace the movement. I told them I didn’t pay for a new watch to have it cracked open and movement adjusted and that seemed to be enough. Either way don’t settle or stop fighting. It has really turned me off of online Watch buying
Yikes
Just get a San Martin 😉
Definitely better specs and quality :D
I can attest to that. I owned the watch in this video, and my San Martin SN004 is miles better.
What happened? Did they replace it or the movement?
Check out my latest episode for full story ;-)
As good as this watch looks, I'll never buy another Seiko because of their QC issues
They should just replace it
Now over priced, unreliable, poor QC. Why bother? Out of all the watches I have owned Seiko is the only one that let me down.