EBM Primer + Tutorial - Understanding Electronic Body Music
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- čas přidán 29. 01. 2021
- EBM/Industrial was a very important form of music that sat underneath a lot of other styles through the 80s and even the 90s. It is sadly largely ignored or forgotten but without the intense charge of EBM many of the things we take for granted now would not be here or as they are. A great lesson we can learn from EBM is how to deliver a powerful punch with a minimum of material. So long as the idea is powerful and the delivery is too, you can do a lot with not very much. This is something that many EDM & Metal people have totally forgotten. Listen without prejudice to the early material and see how emotionally deep, mysterious, alluring, and powerful it sounds, even if the mix seems "less".
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This video has been very good for my future productions, thank you. 🤜🏻🤛🏻🔥
Such a great video
thank you!
It's do-able with the vocal issue, fantastic video once again will comment when I'm done, cheers!
Neon Judgement and Front 242 are performing together later this year in Belgium!
This is what I love. I have been listening to this type of music for a little more than 30 years. I have always had a dream to make some myself. Six months ago I started to learn Reason and two weeks ago I bought your sound pack just because it says EBM on it. When I listen to my favourite music it sounds so simple to make. But I just couldn't identify what was going on in the tunes. I struggled a lot, fiddled around but it did not sound like the style I was looking for. The result is sometimes ok, but not EBM, it always turned to something else. Then I bumped in to this instruction video and you are breaking it down wondefully. Now I know the form and the common sounds and how to combine them.
Thank you so much. I can't be thankful enough.
One of the great things about early EBM was that it was able to be many things. Single Gun Theory & Skinny Puppy had records on the same label but were quite different. Let your own sound come through. I have another recent vid on that. 😎
Dude Single Gun Theory seriously changed my life. Jaqui also answered my million and five fanboy questions when I was on FB a few years ago. Seriously underrated band esp here in the US
I love how EBM fans can just have direct opposite opinions of each others preferred flavor of it. Genuinely. For such a simple genre it’s so varied everyone has their own micro preference, and that’s great.
For example, growing up in America, I was far more involved in the wax trax style stuff, noisy, aggressive. Revolting Cocks being one of my all time faves. It’s literally Ministry and Front 242 together! So it’s wild for me to hear someone call anything EBM related “elegant”.
But I love it. CZcams is seriously lacking real ebm content like this, and I’d love if you’d do more!
(Can’t believe you called KMFDM American though. 😂)
Thanks. I appreciate that. Yes, I agree that overall EBM is sadly sidelined. Or worse misnamed as Retrowave, Darkwave, Countrywave, or whatever silly name Tredmp made up this week to appropriate what it can't do itself (ooh).
I always assume KMFDM are American. To me, they always felt more of the American sound than the European. I had something of theirs and would listen to it, but more to try to work out why I couldn't really dig it compared to the more "elegant" stuff.
In a bit of madness 15 years ago, I sold off a lot of my music, and with that went most of my EBM which I can't get back. An early Neon Judgement compilation, Nitzer Ebb, Hilt, Skinny Puppy, Severed Heads, In Sotto Voce, (and that KMFDM)... Even a few Goth & Metal things like Xmal Deutschland "Tocsin" & King Diamond "The Eye". Never sell music (even if you trade it for Enya).
@@BenedictRoffMarsh Im so glad you mentioned EBM being mislabeled as synthwave or vice versa. absolutely kills me. Saw someone in a comment call Nitzer Ebb "minimal dark synthwave" and it just hurt my soul.
I saw it right at the start of Techno. The rubber children would misuse every possible word they could pronounce (and many they couldn't) to re-engineer the "world that was" into a "world that centered on Techno". It is not a healthy sign ;-) Doing this has made all forms of music less but they are so determined that anything they can't understand must cease to exist. I tried to keep side stepping so when they re-purposed a genre tag, I would move again as I would rather be clear that I am not EDM than be considered a failed version of EDM. Good people understand.
He's not wrong about kmfdm
As an old school American EBM / Industrial artist living in Australia now.. I'm very happy to see other folks here remember. Cheers, mate. Hope you're doing well.
Thanks. Note how I slipped Graeme Revel's SPK "Machine Age Voodoo" album in as he is another fellow ozlander too, even if he probably hasn't been here for ages(?). I know many deride it for being too Pop but I really enjoy it. I can't see any music on your channel. Is there any? :-)
@@BenedictRoffMarsh Not under this name, I'm pretty low key these days, mostly doing sound design for other media.
I had actually intended to start work on a new album at the beginning of 2020, but the world had other plans. But with any luck, this will be the year. I'll be in touch if it comes together, I happened upon your channel recently and you're doing some interesting stuff!
@@ReplicantSocial Thanks 😎
doing more here than just remembering.. my band NOVAKiLL dropped our 5th album last year, described in a recent review as " in the EBM scene... this album deserves a special mention in the most accomplished productions in its genre from 2020"
I know Novakill. The Bony one. Good to see y'all are still at it :-)
Fantastic primer and tutorial! Thank you for creating this. The dalek voice wasn't too intrusive considering the closed captions captured most of what you're saying.
Thanks :-)
actually really nice singing. very interesting to learn new things about the niche music i enjoy
Thanks. EBM was the only space where I could (just) get away with "singing". While I don't do any hardcore EBM now, I still have a soft spot for the original style and use elements in my private work - and occasionally with clients but we don't tell them that ;-)
Good tutorial and breakdown of he genre. Thanks!
Thanks :-)
I have the Funky Alternatives compilations from the late 80s, and it’s remixes of industrial and ebm classics
So funny!!! I bought thortfulness about a week ago, what a treat to stumble onto your tutorial! Thanks a lot mate greetings from across the seas and many blessings to you. Ps the presets in thortfulness are really great, a fantastic treat for a Reason user trying to capture the ebm feeling, great job. Thank you again.
Thanks Anthony. I'm glad you are enjoying the ReFill :-)
Don't forget to share what you create.
@@BenedictRoffMarsh will do mate
Awesome video, THANK YOU for making an actual good true EBM tutorial instead of "how to sound like 2000s aggrotech or futurepop" like every other fucking "EBM" tutorial on youtube lol
Thanks. I agree that it is indeed sad that what made EBM powerful has been largely lost. I'm glad that you enjoyed this presentation.
Man that vocal issue is making it super interesting to me. I feel cool learning from this video honestly hahaha.
Maybe you should make that vocal effect a thing in your music.
It is a bit cool, isn't it? It is a digital error but probably Ring Mod or Amp Mod would achieve the same essential result.
I did sing through a ring mod a time or two back in the mists of time.
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I like your voice from the minute 17:00 reminds me of the voice processing of spk , i think it was leichensrei.
Great telling of the history of oldschool EBM. Too bad about the audio but good stuff regardless. I tend to gravitate to a lot of stuff from the early and mid 80s like a;GRUMH, a split second and so on and you mentioned a few I haven't delved too deep into (like Sigue Sigue Sputnik).
There's also a lot of VERY interesting and unique modern EBM sounds that I would recommend that take the oldschool school of thought and modernize it. A few I'd highly recommend would be //TENSE//, Multiple Man, High Functioning Flesh and Comfort Cure among many more. There's so many great new sounds coming out that isn't just 1/16 note basslines and yelling. EBM is making a comeback in a good way.
Thanks Vvv. Sputnik wasn't actually EBM but a kind of mutant Electro Rockabilly, but informed by a lot of the things learned from EBM. These names are new to me. Exploring: //TENSE// is very typical of the old-school EBM. Kinda like Goth only more relentlessly binary. Multiple Man it appears was from my city (Brisbane Oz) and whilst I was still there too. Wasn't aware of them but I got so outside of any scene ages away. High Functioning Flesh reminds me of Nitzer Ebb. Comfort Cure certainly seems like my kind of simple but relentless.
Definitely, it seems that there is a lot happening within this space that I was not aware of. Thanks
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@@BenedictRoffMarsh Absolutely! I'm always happy to recommend new acts in EBM that are actually doing something interesting. It seems there's been a big surge of oldschool influenced bands since around early 2010s and onwards and I keep hearing more and more that are playing with those sounds and pushing it forward. A lot of credit can be give to //tense// for that as they're the first band I am aware of that started utilizing the analog gear and formats found in old EBM with a fresh outlook (not trying to recreate Nitzer Ebb for the umpteenth time). Fascinating that Multiple Man is from your city!
A few more notable ones I think you'd really enjoy are PC World's newest album Order, Physical Wash's Physical Death, Total Chroma's Body Relics and Mother Juno's Intert.
Enjoy!
Please re-record this someday and expand the series would love to learn more about making ebm. Plus how can I get the sounds for Thor?
I have made several series on songwriting here and thru Higher Hz. It all works for EBM too. This is a third in a Series showing that genre isn't much more than window dressing, the basics are universal. That ReFill is in the Reason Shop.
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This is really interesting and there's lots to learn from it, you should do this on other genres your are familiar with. When Dalek comes in it really made it bad :/
Just saw F242 last week here in Toronto! Just as amazing as 1991 when I saw them! Been into EBM since the late 80s and I still love it!
I cannot find your refill to purchase in thr Reason store. Link is 404 Not Found!
I've seen recent 242 shows on YT and they have been fabbo. Hmm. I'll have to look later at the Reason Shop. Did you Search for me or the ReFill as the bot may have made new links??
Update, it is still there on: www.reasonstudios.com/shop/product/thortfulness/
Amazing video Benedict! What a pity the microphone issue :-/
Thanks. Yes, an annoyance but this is how the Song Gods wanted it so...
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I really only connected with EBM through Front 242 and especially Nitzer Ebb. Belief was the first EBM album I heard and it's still my favorite, but That Total Age has some killer tracks on it.
Hi Em. EBM can be a slim form but when done well, it is special. I still tend to prefer the early stuff better as it is more emotionally powerful than just being loud.
I hope all is good with you.
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@@BenedictRoffMarsh Yep. All good (unless I want to complain). Three actual music videos on my channel now and new tracks in the works. ... So, Too bad about the mic issue you had in this video... though you could put that sound in an FX plug-in and sell it as a lo-fi thing and make money prolly. Hehe. EXTERMINATE!
Good to hear you are music-ing & managing. I have no idea what did that, for now I am blaming OBS as every now and then something like this happens. I think it gets a digital bee in it's bonnet.
@@BenedictRoffMarsh Digital bee. That's what you can call the FX plug-in ;P
WTF dude did you put ring modulator on mic?
Nope, as I said it was simply some kind of digital error.
Hi! Can you remade it, please? It's very good, but English isn't my mother tongue and I don't understand 80%. Hope you'll find time to remade. Have a nice day!
Thanks. But you understand, if I remade it, it would still be in English (my Russian being worse than your English).
Can you use the automatic Closed Caption (CC) system as that seems to do a decent job of me in English?
Otherwise there are several tutorials on EBM.
Check out my friend Slava of FHTH: czcams.com/channels/M6bx9qCqPAuBxNg92T5afA.htmlvideos
Brother your mic
Wasn't the mic, was some kind of codec error in the recording. Perhaps OBS? Never happened before, Never happened again.
Slipknot is not cartoony lol. I understand their music may not be for you but they cover a lot of personal issues in their songs. Real stuff.
With that being said, this video was enlightening.
Depends on what tracks we're talking about. I can definitely see where he's coming from too. Though I do like some Slipknot, they have their corny parts.
@@vladv5126 Every band does.
11:13 You don't want to say the what word? If its the N word what would that even have to do witch dictator era Europe?
Umm, a little fella by the name of Adolf? Made a bit of a mess with his N___ party ideals?? And if you were thinking of the other N world, he didn't like them either ;-)
Fad gadget gets no love.(and don't call them synthpop)
I had "Under The Flag" and, while I use it for marketing these days as one seems to have to, I never liked that SP term.
Ok the processed coice dumb dumb dumb idea for a tutorial dude seriously
What is dumb is making mean comments when it is clear that you DID NOT WATCH THE VIDEO (where the reason is explained right there on-screen). Otherwise, thanks for increasing my stats ;-)
I'd implore you to fix the audio. It is driving me crazy. It is a major detractor in my education. Let me know. I'd really love to give it a fair shake.
Don't you think that if fixing that audio was easy, let alone doable, I would not have done so before publishing?
Come on, it is free. Roll with it; say thanks even.
Stop complaining as it is the reason that I rarely post this sort of thing anymore as I am tired of givng for this sort of feedback.
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First, thank you. Second, I was merely conveying my honest feedback to your video post in hopes of understanding what you were attempting to convey. I've invested over two hours of my time trying to decipher your audio issue instead of a thank you. You attempt to guilt trip me. This is exactly why people don't give honest feedback.
I hope someday you can look back and see the value in honest constructive feedback. You have really suck the air out of the room, like opening a window on a capsule. This was an experience I won't soon forget.
@@taewankim6283 Your first comment clearly proved that you didn't really watch the video. You expect respect for that!! Also you are guilt-tripping me about the time you spent when it is a fraction of what I have invested in these things - all to be given your condescending gaslighting BS. If you don't dig me, simply move along. I am far from the only person who has made these sorts of tuts. I owe you nothing here. You owe me an apology - only don't worry, as I don't want it. Your time here is over, please leave
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