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If I want qualities, I identify what they are and add them. I don't need to agonize over whether my Sharp Microwave is as pro-ful as my neighbor's Panasonic. Sure many sub-sub-genres specify that certain sounds must be used but that is not really music so much as Gatekeepery Totalitarianism (to amuse those with small expression pedals).

@@BenedictRoffMarsh I agree, everyone finds their own way. Most of us use completely different resources and methods. Each of us has our own arguments. My arguments are subjective. I am happy to share my experience and my opinion and am always grateful to those who do the same.

@@gresagroup Indeed. I loathe all this "thou shalt use only this" (with matching affiliate link) that has taken over DAWville. Everyone is obsessed with irrelevant technicalities like arguing about how their Booger 902 Rev 3567 OSC has more presence than the Derringer 901 Rev 987 Patchbay. This is always wrong. What is right is focusing on the Scene & Story of the Song (or piece of music). Sadly this is effectively verboten these days. No wonder music is so sucky as a general rule seeing it is not music but synth workouts by people showing off their gear to TokTuk followerz. :-(

@@BenedictRoffMarsh. I don't see everything as tragic as you, but I understand the essence of your comments well. I agree with you, today a lot of attention is paid to secondary topics. But it doesn't bother me. Everyone can highlight what they need. I myself sometimes think that I lack a certain sound, but often the problems are completely different. This is normal. It also happens that I use another instrument and the mix is ​​magically corrected. I can't be categorical in this matter. Subjectively, I believe that each instrument has its own tone and character. Only my consumer can objectively judge the sound. For him, sound is not the main evaluation criterion. In 99.9% of cases, it is important to me but not to the listener.

@@gresagroup "sometimes think that I lack a certain sound, but often the problems are completely different". This is a lot of what I am trying to get at here. People feel that only if they get the Jupiter 5s80c, will they be Pro-ful. When in reality, they could write things that are just as good with (just about) any other synth, hardware, VST, whatever. Ownership of these objects of emotively inflated misplaced desire will not bestow magic that is not being accessed by the user already. Learning (or a Record Producer) would be a better investment most times. But that is not fashionable. And yes, I often paraphrase Gene Simmons saying how guitarists obsess about tone when in reality the kids don't care. The kids care if it rocks them. Therefore all this worry is counter to the real object - rocking the relevant fans. Any guitar and any amp will do if you get passion on tape. With that, you compare guitar tones from the 60s-90s to now and what was common then is now declared un-listenable. That is off. Today I saw one of those Amateur vs Pro mix things where the guy did a 'loser' mix based on all the things losers do and then compared it to a Pro mix. The pro mix sounded very modern but was horrid as Art. The supposedly wrong mix was way nicer and had me interested in the song, rather than reaching for the "I'm outa here" button.

Something like that apparently yes :-)

Thanks :-)

Exactly. At no actual point was I suggesting as a total fact that Model D = DX-7 = Emulator. It is that if you understand what is happening in the Model D or DX, you can get close enough that the average fan will not care enough to care. Therefore, obsessing over whether your Derringer Jube 106 is cool enough to make you Pro is a shocking waste of time - that, as you rightly say, could be put to making what you have sing. :-)

Do all whiny "I Can't finish my songs" non-Produca's sound sound da same? Hell yeah. It makes them feel like they are part of something special ;-)

@@BenedictRoffMarsh Yes, just like YT "content creators".

"Some people get by with a little understanding Some people get by with a whole lot more I don't know, why you gotta be so undemanding One thing I know, I want more, I want more" - Sisters of Mercy "More"

@@BenedictRoffMarsh ha ha, good one :)

This is what you say about yourself on your own YT: "A place for rational, tolerant, and open minded human beings. My goal is to stimulate debate, ask questions, and encourage dialogue." When you aren't grandstanding to prove what a perfect Woke Hipster you are, you are the complete opposite. Therefore, bigot, you have earned this: Before you make a greater fool of yourself, you really should watch the video. Otherwise, you look like a total spank when you say things no vaguely intelligent person would do: based on the actual content of the video. Your holier-than-thou attack is not tolerant, open-minded dialog, etc. Especially when you are attacking them for things you made up about them in the first place! Best you don't come back here - ever - as I have no interest in your brand of nastiness in my spaces :-(

Wasn't my point, but thanks to you as well for the boost to my stats ;-) As for the pointed insult, you did say it. Trying to roll it back whilst leaving it in the post (even after editing) doesn't actually make it so. Actually, it makes it even worse (for you). But hey, again I got your view and this engagement, proving to the Algo how popular and relevant I am ;-)

ha ha yes my invisible numbers are more betterer than any opponent's invisible numbers MSGA :-)

Um, ok. This vid is nothing about emulations at all but thanks for the bump in the stats. That Nautilus is sure a funny-lookin' thang - as it does a pretty good job of sounding like many other synths ;-)

@@BenedictRoffMarshyou are welcome! I talked about emulations because this video is about synths, and emulations are synths. The whole idea of the video at the end (correct me if I am wrong) is that everything sound the same because you can get similar sounds out of them, but I disagree with this, because there is difference in my opinion even for the same sounds, an analogy may be stating it is not the same the piano of a cheap Casio than a piano library for PC, even if they can be used for the same purpose (a piano line). For example, I don’t think the synths of my Nautilus will ever sound like my Prophet 10. And I viceversa it is the same, but I prefer the Prophet 10 :). I have a composition called Sirius, it is in my channel, and it was initially composed with Model 84 only, I thought it sounded great, but it wasn’t exactly the sound I wanted, then I tested by replacing a synth line with the Pro 800, which is analog, and it improved a lot, it sounded more deep and closer to the sound I wanted. Then I thought: what if I include my Yamaha SK20?? I did it and it was even better to my ears. I think software can sound great, but analog sounded better in this context, both tools working together could be great as well. But at the same time a Virus or a VST could give me some modern flavor which I can’t achieve with real analog. I think all tools could be great to have depending on your musical goals. Cheers!

This wasn't a VST vs Moog Muse thing. It was: With enough understanding (and patience) most synths can cover each other off adequately. Find the recent vid where a fellow uses a DX-7 to do the Big V's "Blade Runner" intro and it works a treat. Not exact, but not worth going to war over either. Often we can't conceive of a thing but once we break it apart sound is always sound so if you put the things that matter in similar spots, the results are good enough for knife fighting (except remember we aren't having a war - that is for frightened children) :-)

Thanks. I find Reason very elegant for mixing. :-)

Thanks Mr Pappy :-)

Merci :-)

The initial synth here has a lot of drifts built in - I know because I built it. I emulated that in Europa. As I discussed around 02:26 I had a Slim Phatty and no one ever picks it in the mix. So sure every architecture will bring different results, once fully understood, unless the process is truly different eg FM, the results are commonly far more duplicable than most would like to admit. QED, lusting after 45,678,926,434 different devices is wasting cycles better applied to finishing music. And yes, a slightly provocative title ;-)

@@BenedictRoffMarsh I'm wondering if its more to do with the human psyche, or perhaps the artistry of having something tactile on hand that triggers biases towards the instruments sounding better or different. Theres definatly something to be said for just playing a genuine vintage piece of gear over the thought of having to wrestle with a digital plugin to copy it. My patience for messing with plugins is usually gone in the time I've spend deciding with one of my many I have to chose from to use. Your Europa patch sounds amazing btw, can you share it?

@@CybreSmee 100%. This is the whole subtext of this post (and many others of mine). We build these ivory tower fantasies. I had tape, cassette, hardware synths, mixers... Fine. But nothing ever came back as it went in. I noted that in the Alan Parsons interview with Beato, he said that Abbey Rd had a rule that all monitoring was done Off-Tape so you only heard what was on-tape, not the now-lost original signal. A wise idea indeed. As for wrestling: Hardware is/was always waaaaaay more struggle. What worked one day didn't the next. Often for no apparent reason as the day after it worked again. Digital is not like that at all. I can open a Reason project from 25 years ago and it is exact, Thor is in-tune and the patch hasn't changed at all, the mix is pristine (not glued to the capstan). Thanks on the patch. Clearly not saved. I think you'd have to pause the vid and recreate. TBH probably nothing that special, just movement. 🙂

@@BenedictRoffMarsh Yup, agree. Love your channel, keep up the interesting vids. More Reason stuff too :)

@@CybreSmee Thanks. What would you want to see? I get tired of videos I think people need but no one seems to value.

It is odd how Reason is the only DAW (I know of) with an "actual" mixing console, as opposed to the Pro Fools style matrix of plugins. Ultimately, they all say we can (and should) do it all in their environment. Just the F2 EQ window in Reason alone is soooo much better. I wonder why most DAWs make it so hard. :-)

@@BenedictRoffMarsh Harrison MixBus has one and its incredible. A perfect esample of a terrible DAW with a gorgeous mixer that almost makes it worth going through the pain of using it. Yes, Reason is excellent, I just struggle with a few major omission, such as no multiple MIDI output which makes composing in Kontakt impossible, no retroactive recording and no way to deal with articulation swapping (without hob nailing together some clunky note filtering in a Combinator).

@@CybreSmee I expected Harrison's "Analog with the sound of digital" Mixbork. It is indeed a clever idea made less useful at every turn. I think so far Studio One have done the "console sound" idea better than anyone else. For a while I thought Reason were missing that as a good idea but now not so much. I can't stand all that articulation changing of orch packages. Not fun at all. I don't like the results much either. Waste of time and money IMO (not that I should need to write IMO but there is always someone who thinks what I write is stone and not just my idea/ideal). 🙂

I deffo agree on unisons - some really sound naf. Most just sound meh. Dune I think added a "Swarm" which was different - at leat on first look. Probably easy to emulate, once one has that as a target. :-)

Indeed, while different synths can have different implementations of features, what matters most is that we find the workflow that works for each of us as individuals. I have that in Reason in general and Europa as my first go-to. You may know, I did a huuuge walkthrough/discussion of Odin 2 when it came out - when Thor was my go-to. :-)

@BenedictRoffMarsh I remember testing Reason when I was looking for a DAW. The one thing I do remember well was the killer drums they had stock. I am also aware of Europa. It looks pretty straight forward and I like things that are easy on the eyes. Even I didn't end up using Reason these are two things that I would like to have. But tools are tools. The important thing is to find a way to finish tracks. Lately I've been using FL Mobile a lot. Part because it's my favorite tool, part because of pain. It allows me to make music when in bed. My last 20 pieces probably wouldn't happen if there was no music app on my phone. They were almost entirely recorded in bed. 🙂

@@aspirativemusicproduction2135 Sorry to hear you aren't well. That is exactly it, synths & DAWs are tools. No different from a spanner. (sane) People don't go on about their spanner, they come fix your thing or not. :-)

Sadly both things I wouldn't really rate at all but a bit moot seeing I have and use several synths (in Reason). :-)

@@BenedictRoffMarsh but what are you looking for in a synth? come on, you can't tell me it is just about the sound

@@Beatsbasteln Rather than me havin' to answer that, why not you take some time to research me and what matters. Otherwise, I fear we'll be talking apples and organic nuclear warheads. 🙂 BTW, you already know I like Europa.

@@BenedictRoffMarsh it's ok if you don't wanna tell me what you're looking for in a synth, but don't expect me to go search for the answer in your videos. i'm already following you for a while and you have some great topics, but your videos are too long and unedited for my average attention span, especially when i'm searching for a specific piece of information

@@Beatsbasteln Ok cool. Seems like you self-answered then. I like synths that are long and boring ;-)

Thanks for dropping by. Yes it is like cars, a Hyundai and a Ferrari both drive you to the Kwik-E-Mart just dandy. Matter of fact the Hyundai is a lot easier in most cases. Altho less likely to get one laid of course. Synths are horses for courses but it does become silly when people blat on about how their synth is betterer and more Pro-ful than whatever everyone else owns. Spankery which leads people off-path once it becomes the zeitgeist. :-)

Thanks. I'm not sure that I agree re hardware vs software as ultimately sound is sound is sound. Clearly, on the surface, the experience of an MO-DX will feel different from a Mini, from Europa on my Win 11 PC, BUT that doesn't immediately mean that there is not more essential similarity than difference. The same argument we (mostly) agree is correct with white people, brown people, green people... Because, as DM told us, people are people and we all have 7 arms, 43 legs, and spaghetti for brains (assuming we let AI draw us that is). :-)

Wasn't the mic, was some kind of codec error in the recording. Perhaps OBS? Never happened before, Never happened again.

I had "Under The Flag" and, while I use it for marketing these days as one seems to have to, I never liked that SP term.

Thanks. EBM was the only space where I could (just) get away with "singing". While I don't do any hardcore EBM now, I still have a soft spot for the original style and use elements in my private work - and occasionally with clients but we don't tell them that ;-)

Thanks :-)

Panky Mr Pappy :-)

@@BenedictRoffMarsh Lol! :)

Thanks Slava

I expect you'll be happy :-)

Merci :-)

You come on my channel pissing on me with your high n mighty 'tood but your "music" is nothing but same-same (c)Rap loop, loop, loop, stop. You need to learn some real respect. A thing that does not come from making an ass of yourself to try to cover how little you really have to offer :-(

Don't you think that if fixing that audio was easy, let alone doable, I would not have done so before publishing? Come on, it is free. Roll with it; say thanks even. Stop complaining as it is the reason that I rarely post this sort of thing anymore as I am tired of givng for this sort of feedback. :-(

First, thank you. Second, I was merely conveying my honest feedback to your video post in hopes of understanding what you were attempting to convey. I've invested over two hours of my time trying to decipher your audio issue instead of a thank you. You attempt to guilt trip me. This is exactly why people don't give honest feedback. I hope someday you can look back and see the value in honest constructive feedback. You have really suck the air out of the room, like opening a window on a capsule. This was an experience I won't soon forget.

@@taewankim6283 Your first comment clearly proved that you didn't really watch the video. You expect respect for that!! Also you are guilt-tripping me about the time you spent when it is a fraction of what I have invested in these things - all to be given your condescending gaslighting BS. If you don't dig me, simply move along. I am far from the only person who has made these sorts of tuts. I owe you nothing here. You owe me an apology - only don't worry, as I don't want it. Your time here is over, please leave :-(

Thank You :-)

Thanks. Expect to dop in and out a few times esp to the sound styles. 🙂

You seem to, so I hope you can find it. If it doesn't maybe do (assuming that it doesn't) and have you tried though? I used to when I was in my late teens, didn't for decades. As long as you don't, it actually helps, even if they don't. I think any kind, can have some of that domino effect, although that alone probably will not, but that's not it anyway.

@@hard_luck_case To be sure, to be sure.

Thanks so much :-)