PART THREE Of The 1962 Rover P4 100 Resurrection, She's Back On The Road And Fighting Fit!
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- čas přidán 22. 02. 2024
- I finally get her running as she should be, rewire the ignition with a ballast resistor, put a headlight wiring kit on her, spend far too long trying to get a rear wheel cylinder to seal, tidy her up in the areas that matter and then head off to into the sunset! Bliss!
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Man this guy is criminally undersubbed! Bags of charisma, charm, character and makes even the epic length videos a pleasure to watch!
I’ve used contact breaker points on my motorbikes for 47 years.
They need a capacitor wire from the non live side of the points to earth.
This prevents the high voltage jumping across the points faces, when they open, instead of jumping the spark plug gap.
This helps preserve the life of the points, which others would form a pip and a divot, as metal is transferred, high tension spark, one after another.
It also aids the quality of the spark at the spark plug, making easier starting and better idling & acceleration.
They very rarely fail. I’ve a dozen used spares and at 64 years of age, I’m never going to run out.
I’ve good sets of points in all my bikes. They virtually never fail & crucially they cannot fail catastrophically.
Best of all, they are so analogue that fault finding is very easy.
High tension coils almost never fail.
I’ve bought a dozen sets for Suzuki triples labelled “spares or repair”.
I’ve easily fixed every set & sold them on, with new HT leads & plug caps, warranting that they work, having tested them on my bikes.
It’s almost always the HT leads & caps that fail. Once or twice a low tension wire was broken.
Never have I experienced an actual coil failure. They’re solid state.
I don’t think they can fail, if they ever worked properly.
Not unless you’d left them in water for years. That might cause corrosion of a coil inside the casing.
I don’t know because I’ve never seen this in 47 years.
Ignition faults are almost always
1. Low battery voltage or wiring faults.
2. Dirty, badly set or incorrectly installed / wired points.
3. Bad HT leads or connections to coil or cap.
4. Plug cap failure (esp if they’re suppressor type)
5. Badly soiled, or badly set plugs, or cracked insulation.
A very rare variant of 2 is engine starts easily when cold, but as it heats up, it misfires then stops and won’t restart until properly cold. Many possibilities but this one is binding of moving point on the pivot on the fixed point. It’s just ok cold, but expansion causes binding, friction and eventually the spring is insufficient to close the points after opening & engine stops.
Solution is to dress the pivot lightly with 400 or 600 wet & dry, clean off any bits, grease and reassemble. If the problem disappears, bingo.
I’ve seen this 3-4 times in my life.
I've binge watched nearly all of these. Great humour, classic cars, educational problem solving, tools, track racing, driving views around the English,Welsh and European countryside, a record shop!! Keep Britain Tidy, N-i-i-ce 😁😄😂
You should keep that Rover, it really suits you.
I agree, even if you have to get someone else to help you rebuild the front end to the standard you'd like. Seats and carpets are a must, and that instrument panel would be nice finished in veneer matching (as closely as reasonable possible) the other woody bits.
What an awesome series though. Well done. I have enjoyed every second of it
Watching people such as yourself bringing old cars back to life is a joy for me. Good luck with your channel.
Have you got the Girling or Rover part numbers? What years cover this one? I'll have another search
Nice job, I think I would remove all those gauges and bodgy centre panel and put the original wood panel back in the middle of the dash, seeing as you have it there.
The ballast resistor should be wired so that it's bypassed by the starter solenoid when the engine is cranking. It's there so that when the battery voltage is puled down whilst cranking the coil gets the full battery voltage for starting, but when the engine is running the coil gets the reduced voltage through the resistor. If you don't have the correct type of solenoid with the extra connection use a relay that's switched by the wire that activates the solenoid to bypass the resistor.
That saved me from making the same comment! This was a very common arrangement in the days of electromechanical automotive systems, before electronics were introduced and made that sort of technology redundant, thankfully! Although some wouldn't agree with that! True, the old stuff was simpler and could, in theory, be fixed at the roadside. But even then, remarkably few people, including mechanics, actually understood how it worked. Going back many years, my dad bought one of his work colleagues back home from work. This chap, actually a graduate in something or other, had an old Landy with ignition problems and my dad suggested I have a look at it as I had an affinity with cars and car electrics. As I was having a poke around, said chap was nattering away with the symptoms, and said he thought it might be due to the alloy bodywork not being conductive to electricity!!! I had to point out that he was getting confused with magnetism and electrical conductivity!!! He looked bemused and then the penny dropped!! So, it turned out to be neglected wiring, a botched installation of new points and a leaking points condenser (actually capacitor is a better, more contemporary term). An hour later it was running sweetly and he learned something new!
I owned a 1964 P4 110 Rover with the straight 6 2625cc engine. As a newly Wed' I couldn't afford to keep it... always regretted selling it.
Now I'm retired I hope to own another someday soon. Just love the engine note!
There's nothing like an old straight six, of all the cylinder configurations, it's supposed to have the best overlap of stroke and hence supremely smooth. Love the sound of my Mercedes 190e 2.6.
30min 32 seconds is when you cracked it, Ben.
A series of erratic connections was enough to thwart you end Episode 2.
Should be all roses now.
Looking forward to the next P4 episode.
The Rover has become my new favourite so far.
The outside seal on the brake cylinder is not an oil seal..it’s a dirt cover. The leak is from the inside, surely? Rubber grommets for the cable holes? Don’t put it down into 1st gear when still moving. Look up double de clutching perhaps, if you don’t know about that? Change the diode pack in the alternator. It will save bastardising another one? Chrome headlight bezels? Great video…thanks. 👍🏻
Surely the inner seals in the wheel cylinder are missing or fitted the wrong way around
I was a little bewildered that there was an explanation of how the points work...am I that old?...but surely a "mechanic" knows that the outside rubbers on a brake cylinder are simply a dust/dirt seal/cover...No?
You should do one more mini episode showing your final touches and the alternator and a run to Solihull, great video 👍😀
Yes they are simply dust seals... to keep the (Dust) out😮. If you peek inside the dust seal and its wet..
Its leaking! Have you got a brake hone and give it zush out with a cordless drill . Reem with wd40. Should work (with new cupseals)or put a new cylinder on it. Learning how to gravity bleed the brakes will help you out . Hope this is helpful 🙂
Ben i would put battery back under the rear seat where it is now next to the manifold it just gets cooked all the time hence the state of all the wires u replaced
My parents had the 60, and 75 moving on to the 2000 then 2200, watched my retired parents remove and refurbish the cylinder head and valves in their 70’s, one either side of the car lifting it off.
One of the best chanels on you tube .Thanks for sharing. Regards Bjorn in Sweden..
My Uncle is an ex-Rover draughtsman, we have connections to Rover going back years, and I own a '69 P6 V8 Auto. This Rover has gotcha big time, you get it. You have poured so much love into what it was - a walk-on-by car, and the Viking is saved. I loved these three films (choosing that word carefully), congratulations on getting him running, he ain't the prettiest, he has so much potential, and the Viking is all heart.
Ben your awesome . ABSOLUTELY AWESOME VIDEO. Please keep the viking he needs you.
The external dust seals on the top and bottom of the slave cylinder are simply to stop ingress of dirt. They are nothing to do with keeping the fluid in and you can remove them entirely if you wish. The only reason for a fluid leak is that the inner piston seal or the cylinder bore itself are not in good enough condition.
Richard
The light that's blinking on and off on the dash is for the park brake (hand brake) just needs a bit of adjustment on the switch. Enjoyed the whole process of you bringing it back to service.
The way you do these videos is great and very entertaining. The concept of showing the whole saga rather than edited clips is the reality of just how involved and difficult these jobs can be. In this day and age it is really refreshing to see someone who is so comfortable in their own skin that they don't need to shout about their knowledge and skills and can even poke fun at themselves. This is a unique approach and is informative, entertaining and all with good humour. Great job.
I think “Tales of the Viking” is a series in the making!!!
Get that big older bruiser tweaked & then take him on trips up & down dale explaining how the latest improvements have worked!
Another fabulously enjoyable watch!
My folks had one in the late fifties in Montreal Canada. Its the first family car in my memories and I have always had a soft spot for them. Cheers!
I think it’s amazing how you put these vehicles back on the road, especially as the Rover’s engine was seized. I hope you will be able to take it on a road trip once you’ve fixed the charging problem.
Love seeing an old car that was in sight of the crusher getting tender loving care, and hitting the road again. The P4 was a very high quality car, as shown here. Well done, Ben, very enjoyable. Didn't fast forward once. From a one time P6 owner. Love them old Rovers!
Really enjoying your videos. I bought a p4 around 4 years ago from Mathewson's auction, drove it back home to Leeds well as far as Boston Spa, the RAC got me the rest of the way.
What a lovely old car 🎉
I think your find that the lorry was over to avoid the tree with his mirror, great shows keep um coming 😊
Alright, I caved in and hit the subscribe button. The five vids I have seen so far were good. Funny and informative about British cars as I live in Las Vegas. Keep having fun! ❤
I have family in Vegas! Cheers John appreciate the sub
Good afternoon Ben,just love your show,every car I've seen you repair you have done with exiting enthusiasm,cannot wait for episode 3 on Friday with the very wonderful rover 100,take care my friend,sending best wishes from Coventry. Alan from Coventry warwickshire.
Wow, that battery is very close to the manifold Ben 😮
Meant to be in the boot ?
@@johnmoruzzi7236under tge back seat originally.
@@ivanfernyhough3851There’s no way it should be there in the engine bay…..
My recently purchased P4, a 1961 100 in "Toilet floor grey" with a lovely blue interior, was chosen because I watched your "Viking" vids, fell head over heels with the car and did the logical thing; bought one, sight unseen. Fortunately, my car has only the odd bad habit, none cause for concern, some very amusing. She doesn't drink or leak oil or coolant, has a lot of great history, every little detail of the car's past being available on the vehicle score app.
So my twisted logic says that, because you made P4 ownership compulsory for me by broadcasting directly into my brain, it must be your fault that I'm head over heels in love with the old, but amazingly good piece of how British car manufacturing used to be a thing that we residents of the UK were justifiably proud of.
Everybody who doesn't own a P4, I can recommend these if an exceptionally good long distance classic is what you need. Mine has only done 46680 miles from new/ and is more than capable of overtaking moving objects without being annoying.
I'm annoying, so that's enough of that, keep the fabulous content coming, please.
I has a series 3 landy with that engine, it was sweet, but thirsty!
For wheel cylinders there are some small honing devices which you can drive with an electric drill to give a perfect cylinder bore when they are pitted. Its just a case of getting one that gives the right diameter range. On ebay they are just under 8 pounds (handy tool) which is much cheaper than buying new wheel cylinders on old cars.
Just thought I would mention it.
Lovely old girl, keep her wonderful machine..
What better way to spend a Friday night, pint of Guinness, Pringles and a new Tasty classics episode. Brilliant again Ben 😎👌🏻👌🏻👌🏻
You really need to do the run to Solihull 😂. Get that alternator sorted, let's have another entertaining episode. You should consider keeping this, it's what the minds eye projects as 20th century classic. Work on your circuit diagrams....a linear form is far more straightforward...😂😂. Nice one man, let's see this in Solihull, I'm about 2 miles from the Rover Works.😂👍👍
the "cowboy" music cracked me up
Such a great channel. No grating music, nobody trying to be a comedian , just a fun guy, who mostly knows what he is doing. Great fun!! Many thanks
I don’t understand how I am so hooked on watching the Rover P4 I don’t know anything about cars although when I was a teenager back in 60/70s my 1st car was a1955 Ford Anglia I could clean the bushes in the starter motor and cover the exhaust in Gum Gum Bandages 😂😂 and I took out the front seat to make room for our baby’s carry cot hopefully one day you may find one. Thank you a new subscriber 👏👏👏
Would love to see the finished car when you sell it on after all the hard work you have done to get it running
Takeaway on speed Dial beer in fridge ✅ ready
The activation coil on your new Contactor is not grounded to the metalwork, like the old Contactor. So you have to earth one of the spade connectors to ground, and the other spade connector goes to your key switch. You need to make a small wire with a spade on one end and a eyelet on the other to make the earth connection.
6am in Auckland,better be a good 'un
Some bad news for you Ben - PC Plod is one of your fans and watches all your shows 😮
What is the situation regarding old classics to make them road legal? Just curious
Another epic brilliant video its so exciting to see them on the open road after looking so grim loved this rover 👍🏼👍🏼
already am subscribed to this channel which i love watching
Thanks Ben. Love the content
Ben, what a lovely revival story of the old girl. Sorry, Viking, boy! Brings back memories of being taken to school in one, circa 1968. It was grey, red leather interior and looked immaculate. Majestic infact. Rather like being driven around in a stately home on wheels. After the P4, dad went for a P6 2000, then a 2000TC, a 2200 and then a bright red 3500. He loved playing around under the bonnet, so I well remember helping him sort out broken solenoids, blocked carbs, corroded points, blown cylinder head gaskets, replacing timing chains etc. I just held his tools for him, and always seemed to get oil, grease and, er, smear stuff like red hermatite sealant over my school uniform. He hated the look of the SD1, so he then switched to ugly lumbering Volvos - the ones with the protruding black lower lips. His last car was a new Rover 25, which outlasted him.... but ended up as a rally car. RIP to all of them! These old Vikings were thick skinned, robust, built to endure many battles and fight on to conquer! Ben, thanks again for bringing the Viking back to life. It would be great to see a full restoration - maybe you could keep tabs on the next owner and check up on progress if amenable? Meanwhile, good luck with the rest of the tinkering, and enjoy her whilst you have her. Him! Sorry Viking, respect!!
Awesome video ben thanks for all your different videos any chance u could find and save a marina big respect for you my m8 gonna get 1of your baseball hats keep your videos coming bro best channel ever 👍👍👍👍
Great video bud. Glad to see the old girl on the road
Really good job Ben you should be proud, take care, Gareth
Setting points I found it best to set the adjusting/fixing screw quite tight so the points are not flopping about. Then you can push them against the spring to separate the contact surfaces by the right distance and they stay put. In the old days Lucas points had teeth (serrations) on the inside edge that matched with teeth on the baseplate, so that you could set the gap by inserting and turning a flathead screwdriver, and tighten the fixing screw with another screwdriver when you got it right. Simples.
I really wish you would complete the restoration, sort the body work do out the interior, I think it would be a great car for you. I seem to always find the channels that resurrect, get working but don't polish up stuff as it were.
Solenoid is the old style Lucas 2ST type , bombproof until they get mega old like yours, new ones a 4ST no manual button now , original ones had a red button between the main terminals which was manual - cant get these now
Good fun. I was intrigued by the diamond plate sills ...
Later addition. Should be black rubber with grooves.
The Rover looks amazing Ben well done
As far as I know the Rover Viking badge represents the Vikings roving across the seas, that why it includes the image of a Viking Longship in full sail.
Good night ben and everyone i watched all of your videos of you and your adventures of you fixing up all of your vehicles old and getting most of them back on the road again please keep up the good work up on your videos on your you tube channel please say hi
Another restore classic from the internet s master craftsman keep them coming Ben loving your work
That button on the starter solenoid used to be on all cars. And, with the solenoid mounted under the floor and the button and protruding through into the passenger compartment, it was what you pressed to start the engine on the earliest Minis.
The inner bore of the rear wheel cylinder is where it seals, the outer rim is only for the dust cover. The dust cover won't stop fluid if the main seal has failed, its purpose is to keep brake dust away from the piston.
just loving the journey. its flippen freezing and you are still mending a broken old piece of our past. love it. todays world is not quite as good as the world was.( slight understatement) but all power to you, and to resurrect a piece of British design and Engineering is fabulous to watch. dont forget, when we were building these, as englishmen, some people had goats and carts.
The Viking, great car but with real character ..........Love all the episodes about this Rover !!!
1:21:48 you’ll probably find the lorry was avoiding the fallen tree on his side of the road.
What an interesting and entertaining journey its been for this Rover. Loving the channel, your delivery and explanation of the work is nice and clear, the no nonsense approach with a sense of humour really makes your videos more watchable than some. Inspirational, Thanks.
Great episode. Looking forward to another one on the Panhard. Better do something about that roof though and until then leave that door open to let the floor dry.
In a land not very far away, only as long ago as the 1970's, late 1970's, this is exactly how we did bodywork. It's effective (for a bit), it looks....passable (for a bit) but crucially, it rescues a car that deserves rescuing. At the moment, leukaemia is slowing me down somewhat, but that is how I plan to progress my Morris 1100 (it's been hanging around for a decade...). I have to sat I love your work, well done that man!!!
Hi Ben, love your videos, I'm sure I speak for others, sorting the charging/alternator wouldn't be boring 😊, just a couple of points, I would put grommets in where you drilled holes for the headlight wiring loom, would hate to see all your hard work melt away or worse still go up in flames, also just a thought on the new starter solenoid, are you sure it earths through the bracket and one of the smaller terminals isn't a ground ?, keep up the good work mate, looking forward to the next left for dead 👍
Brilliant Ben, loved every minute.
Loved the journey and I love Rovers 😁
Tasty Classics weekends are the best!!
My favourite Tasty Classic resurrection so far. Love that car!
Really enjoyed the drive looking down the olde worldie bonnet, listening to that sweet straight six humming along. Ben you must have been a paint sprayer in a past life, probably for Rolls Royce or should that be Roy's Rolls! She/he looks a million dollars, there's plenty of life in the old girl/boy/them yet! Thanks for filming, editing, fettling for us to enjoy! .....P.s. where's April? she could have accompanied you on your test drive.....😎👍
I am Loving these long videos!!! Great work man!
Coming along so well and making such good progress! Loving the longer content too! Have to say I'm impressed you can edit videos this long I know I definitely can't! 😅
great video well done
Thanks Ben . Another solid video
i love your videos! I have the same passion for old projects lol and torture myself the same way you do.... Cheers mate!
What a great video and so happy to see the old Viking back on the road
Hi Ben just watching the clip of the rover great work keep it going
With all your patience and skills, it would probably be safer to put the battery in its holder under the rear seat, as it was put there for a reason. I also have a 61 p4 100. I had also had to put loads of bodges right . The battery is a fire risk where it is now my old mucker. All the best. Clive.
I was the proud owner of a Rover 75 to get them into first when moving you have to double the clutch hope this helps !
A lot of British cars of this era were like this with no synchromesh on 1st gear
Loving this one especially the test drive, you are covering all the lanes I chased around as a lad first on my push iron and then Honda ss50, before moving onto my first cars Austin minis and triumph 1300☠️ rover p5b etc
Thanks for the trip to oulton mill😊
I've loved this series. Would still love you to fix that alternator and take your trip. Inserdentely I know you were joking when you asked why the drill gets hot my old engineering teacher used to tell me ' you'd be hot if you were spinning that fast too' Have a great week. Marc from Australia 🇦🇺
Another fantastic video and a great result!
Great videos … by far my favourite car channel 👍
A great blog nice to see a real Rover saved and ive watched from the start always great to watch you all the Best for your future endeavors 😂
Great content Ben you enjoyed that drive
Good to watch.
Spat my tea over the TV when you showed the diagram
No you didn't
Hello buddy never subscribed to any programs. But I will gladly join you pal I really enjoy your program and there's no pretentious clap trap it does what it says on the tin and I thoroughly enjoy it... Kind regards George
Absolutely love your channel, especially the wiring diagram 😅😅😅
Great video, LOVE the Panhard
Cheers Ben, it's friday and I'm enjoying your latest video on the old Rover 👍. Keep them coming
Really enjoyed this one I took was beginning to think he didn't want to go on the road again great job
No. It is not enough, want more on the old girl. Great car. Alan
Such an enjoyable episode, fair play fella
Another great video Ben 👍 Shame you are moving this one on but I’m sure ‘he’ will find another person to love him. I was watching through 🫣 when you were drilling for the lighting wires waiting for the headlights to fall off the wings!
Lovely job on the cable ends.
Ben, I have thoroughly enjoyed these Rover 100 videos. It’s a very stately classic that turns heads everywhere you go- and it deserves that credit. What a great car. It’s like a tank. You and your enthusiasm, patter and hard work make this channel one of my favourites on CZcams. Already my fave British car channel! It’s awesome what you’re doing and you deserve all the success coming to you. Can’t wait to see the next one! For a 61 yr old car it’s amazing. 👍🇬🇧
Brings back so many memories these beautiful old cars were an everyday drive when I was kid everything about them was quality you’ve done an amazing job bringing the old Viking back from an almost certain grave