What's the Real History Behind Vaisakhi 1699?
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- čas přidán 28. 07. 2024
- 🔥 Discover the Hidden History of Vaisakhi 1699 with Ramblings of a Sikh! Dive deep into the pivotal moment in Sikh history that saw the birth of the Khalsa.
🌟 Join us as we unravel the mysteries behind this historic event with expert insights and in-depth analysis.
From examining 'authentic' eyewitness accounts to the exploration of pre-colonial texts, this video is a treasure trove for anyone interested in Sikh history. Learn about the intricate connections between historical events and the formation of the Khalsa, and how these revelations challenge our understanding of Sikh history. 🌐
00:00 - Introduction
01:47 - The Role of Masands Before Their Removal
19:07 - The Evolution of the Term 'Khalsa'
28:51 - Vaisakhi 1699: Events & Timeline
47:40 - The Connection Between Goats & Vaisakhi
58:22 - Panj Pyare & Panj Mukte: Their Significance
01:02:51 - Charan Pahul & Khanda de Pahul: A Comparison
01:08:06 - Women & Amrit: Did They Participate?
01:12:06 - Authentic Eye-Witness Accounts of Vaisakhi 1699
01:15:37 - Is 1699 the Correct Year?
01:22:10 - Giani Gian Singh's Perspective on 1699
01:29:46 - Pre-Colonial Rehitnamas: Similarities & Differences
01:33:44 - Sri Dasam Granth Construction & The Khalsa's Creation
01:40:29 - Guru Gobind Singh Ji, The Goddess, & Naina Devi
01:49:52 - Are There More Granths?
02:01:02 - Concluding Thoughts
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Sorry about the muted audio from 0:00:45 to 0:01:47 😅
If you want to catch that part, check out this link: czcams.com/video/X4_aa6Oo7QY/video.html
I have now listened to this podcast twice on long 100 mile+ driving journies. Thank you to ramblingsofasikh for making all the arrangements to record this interview in his frank and open style.
Sincere thanks to Kamalroop Singh for sharing his PhD. work and explain the multiple events that lead to the creation of the Khalsa. I will no doubt listen to this again as the Q&A, the review of sources and the reflections from Kamalroop have made Vaisakhi 2023 one where every widely accepted simple story of our historical events has been examined and presented in a more reliable evidenced narrative.
Honestly wish there’s a uncut version. Amazing
If this video gets 5,000 likes I'll drop the uncut version
Dr Kamalroop Singh, one of the most enlightened singh around
This is excellent. Paradigm shifting knowledge of Sikhi!
Straight fire upload, deep convo, loved this topic
Excellent, yet again! Your previous conversation with Dr Kamalroop Singh is still my fav
Can someone please reference the link? Thanks 🙏
thank you soo much for your work and efforts 🙏🏽🙏🏽❤️❤️🙏🏽🙏🏽💪🏽
This is awesome bro 🙏🐊⚔️🌊
Excellent discussion.... Keep it up.... Need more people like u guys in the panth
Truly a treasure trove of history shared here.
Love how he repeatedly mentions baba maan singh ji ❤
such brilliant editing and presentation. Good work
slowly but surely I'm getting the hang of this CZcams thing...
I hope these type of videos never end.
Great interview, really appreciate the knowledge and insight ❤ Waheguru
❤Watching this again on Vaisakhi❤. Can we get a digital copy of Dr.’s Thesis? Where to request?
Amazingly powerful 🙏
Listened to it in one sitting. Fascinating take on goats or heads being beheaded during Amrit Sanchar (opposite to Javala Singh's take) and the topic of dates were particularly interesting. One of the standouts for me was that every historian was actually aligned in thought it's just that their view was described over different time periods.
One thing I disagree with Kamalroop is there is no need for a Sant or Mahapursh to progress. Gurbani is littered with examples describing the need of a conduit to meet Vaheguru.
The conduit is gurbani. Whe you understand oneness it's all in us. We just need to focus.
@@endeavour1349 from what I read mostly the term is used for Vaheguru, in exceptional cases for Gursikhs
ਸੰਤ ਜਨਾ ਕੈ ਸੰਗਿ ਹਉਮੈ ਰੋਗੁ ਜਾਇ ॥
"In the Sangat of Sant Jan, the disease of Haume is eliminated".
That explains this old Indic tradition is very close to the original lifestyle of sikh khalsa and prayers, (if we look at old photos during British invasion, the prisoners who were against foreign influence were sent to prison during the EIC era) whereas the rest of sikh have moved on and streamlined, hence the old tradition is not partaken by general sikh people. Thank you for the explanation as it put things into perspective. Enjoy your Vesakhi celebrations.
Firstly, I’d like to say great video. I would say meat has always been apart of sikhi, and is not a sacrifice to god. Instead meat is consumed the same way all life is consumed (plants). Jhatka should be done at every vasakhi and akandpath. But meat should be eaten whenever u want and should be encouraged.
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@@RamblingsofaSikh I already am .... Akaal Sahai
Thanks brother for the information 🙏 👌
Very Interesting statement about the meaning/translation of Ardas being skewed. Is there something I could read to find out more? or could you point me in the right direction. Thanks. Great Work.
Great content brother. Learning so much!
Yoooo!!! 🌟 Huge thanks for this! 🙏 I can't even begin to express how much I appreciate it. You've seriously made my day! 😊👍
@@RamblingsofaSikh no, thank you bro! Been following you on instagram for a while and your dedication to presenting knowledge has helped me on this journey to Sikhi 🙏🏽 keep smashing it
@@gill194 I don't know how I have only just seen this but honestly, your message means so much, thank you so much!
Paji, any chance you'll be posting this on Spotify? If so, could you post the link
I should hopefully have it uploaded by this evening, keep an eye out on my Instagram for the announcement.
The three kakars of kesh/kucha/kirpan or tre mudra as they are also know were the basic amd most important for a kashatriya to keep on the body at all times, while the kanga and kara are important and kakars, could be forgiven for being dropped as could easily happen during battle. The kanga could easily fall out, the kara was used as a hand hrld weapon as well as a projectile so could leave the body. So for a bhujangi (high level shastar vidiya warrior) the most important were the three main ones to keep even in battle/emergency situations, while ideally all five would be kept when possible. Also a gauntlet on the arms would not allow for a kara to be worn. Furthermore the kara would be more important for ladies in self defence as they might not be carrying a large sword all the time. So while all should be aimed to be kept, some would be more important/practical then others depending on who you are and your lifestyle. As mentioned in the poscast these kakars were practical military/soldiers items, not just spiritual symbols to be worn for mysterious reasons. This is what I've heard through sanatan shastar vidiya and also thst Baba Santa Singh said something similar.
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Thank you
Veerji, can i buy the book that bhai sahib is referring to?
That's his phd analysis. It will probably be out soon.
Bhaaji, from 0:00:45 to 0:01:47 the audio is mute
Ah thanks for letting me know. Will correct and upload it tomorrow.
It is earlier mentioned that there were only 4 takhts and spgc introduced the 5th. Which takth was not in the original 4?
2. If Guru Gobind Singh was holding court in Anandpur Sahib, did he not refer to the Adi Granth when meeting out justice?
1. Damdama sahib
2. No he didn't
Why would the need to refer to the Adi Guru Granth for that, it is about spiritual progression, not worldly do's and don'ts. And they are the Guru, the living version of Guru Granth sahib themself.
51:41 It was to show us how much faith we have in the guru! He separated the surrendered souls to the guru compared to the window dressing of the faithful all standing there!
Guru ji showed us who is a real Sikh!
whats the book bhai saabs reading??
The book is Bhai Sahib's PhD thesis.
Did he just say shri guru Panth parkash (42:05)?(not claiming to know more) but even comparing Sri guru Granth saheb to another Scriptures is to question Guru saheb’s supremacy or just plain wrong. I hope it is a verbal mistake.
Otherwise I really appreciate you having this conversation in basic language.I learned a lot from your discussion and wish more people get to watch it.
Yeah that’s what the Granth is called Sri gur panth Prakash. The Prakash of the the guru khalsa panth.
Thanks
Thank you so so much!
@RamblingsofaSikh Waheguru Ji Ka Khalsa Waheguru Ji Ke Fateh
Thank you, Khalsa Ji. What a beautiful insight into the rich fabric of the Sikh religion and events of Vaisakhi. Thank you to Dr Ji, too. 🙏
How come the book by Bhai Jaita/Jeevan Singh is not referred to here, it also had an account of Vaisakhi right
There are questions over the authenticity of those verses specifically
Some interesting strong points! Your contributor seems to have one view on our historical development/evolution, needs to chill out and read a little more and not be so black-and-white, keep up the good work bro
This is the complete opposite of a black and what explanation, it's the whole point of this podcast to give a deeper view. This guy has a PhD in Sikh studies and has read/researched more texts/granths/ oral tradition then you or most of us will in a life time. What a stupid comment.
Hero warrior karma yogi dr kamalroop singh truth
33:36 समिति (samiti) = committee
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I love how you're adding timestamps as you work your way through, appreciate it alot!
1:03:25 वेत्राणवः 😂 1:10:24 1:15:43 dasam granth 1:42:03 1:55:00 doing solid