As someone who has chased performance and bought in on hype and have owned, tested and hunted with many of the latest and greatest. The more I find that rebranding the same old stuff with a knew name has filled my closet. A couple of years ago a I dropped some change on a hunt that was out of country and arrived on scene with lost bags and no ammunition. 😢 I can also tell you that i could not find ammunition for my rifle and made for a horrible experience. I can also say that I do not take removable magazines or new calibers rifles into far away places as I no longer have time for the pain of disappointment. 7mm Rem Mag and 300 Win Mag are the gold standard for hunting and convenience. I have also moved back to the keep it simple stupid frame of mind. The more complicated you make life the more disappointed you will end up.
Not sure if you consider 175 grain bullets heavy, but my sako s20, 7 mag, with a 1-9.5 twist is producing .22 inch groups with berger bullets and h1000. I'd say it stabilizes the 175's just fine. Havent tried 180's yet, but 175's at 2950 fps is fast enough to kill anything I shoot at out to 1000 yards.
For me it's the 7mmprc! A 195gr berger out of a 28 nosler velocity is 2,949fps at 85gr of lrt! 7mm prc is 2871fps with 75gr! I can't justify a 78fps faster with 10 more grains of powder! That's terrible I know you can push each cartridge more but this is ramshot lrt load data! Enjoyed your vid
This isn’t necessarily accurate info…i have run that 85 gr lrt load thru my 28 nosler and it ran 3040’s fps. Im now at 3140 fps and 88 gr with no pressure signs and good groups. Thats what you are paying for with that extra capacity but you need a barrel to get there…26-28” min
This isn’t necessarily accurate info…i have run that 85 gr lrt load thru my 28 nosler and it ran 3040’s fps. Im now at 3140 fps and 88 gr with no pressure signs and good groups. Thats what you are paying for with that extra capacity but you need a barrel to get there…26-28” min
I think you’re onto something with the stocks. My brother n law has a 30 noz in a Browning Hells Canyon Max. We shot it without the brake and I couldn’t say it was any worse than my 12 gauge over under field gun with bird shot. I was amazed.
Another awesome vid. 16:18 This right here I have heard said elswhere and it makes perfect sense. If you already have a 7 or .28 Nosler or the 280 AI or WBY 7 Mag or 7 Rem Mag (a number of people I have encountered have either the 7 Rem Mag or the .28 Nosler,) you are mostly likely already reloading and handloading and already have the gear and collected dies over the years. And you don't need a 7 PRC. You are already getting the performance you want that is better than the factory stuff. The 7 PRC is a compromise that can fill a specific niche, as it does for me. I am the perfect audience for the 7 PRC. Not only do I not have other 7s, my other rifles are different set-ups in .308 W. Most any would be good on deer to elk if shooting at 300 yards and less because I go by impact velocity and prefer to play it safe at 2000 fps at impact. So, the 7 PRC is my first 7, first long action (standard) and first magnum round. I put it in a chassis and the magazine I have to use is the AICS (metal) 5 rd for .300 Win Mag. Granted the COAL of the 7 is less than the .300 Win Mag but not hugely so. In fact, Hornady says you could simply re-barrel an existing .300 Win Mag action, if you so desire. If you want to build custom and do lots of handloading, get a 7 Rem Mag (or .28 Nosler in your case.) If you want a factory rifle that shoots factory ammo pretty well (I think mostly due to SAAMI spec) and you don't already have a 7, then get this one. And the big thing you see on Hornady's page for the 7 PRC is that they also released the dies at the same time. Because you know guys who already have all the cool stuff, like .257 Roberts, etc, are going to experiment with this, as well. I like the 7 PRC primarily as a hunter because it does shoot flatter than some other cartridges and handles the wind pretty well. And I could shoot long distance, as well. And the recoil I use is an ASR brake and Aerotech slip-on. Until Backfire came along with his Back Stop pad, no one was making really good pads for chassis to replace the hard plastic butts they have. So, with that on there, it feels like an unbraked .308 that pushes rather than jabs.
I own both 7 PRC and 28 Nosler . I have no preference on one over the other . The 28 is set up for extreme long range hunting and my PRC was built as a light weight moutain rifle . Both shoot ELDX extremely well Sub .5 MOA . I have always been a .284 fan boy and always will be .
@@twolak1972. Partitions have Horrible BCs an I haven’t had great luck with accubonds. I have killed more than a good number of elk with the ELDX all one shot stops. At close range jacket do separate from the core but haven’t lost a game animal yet
Hell, I’d take a 280AI over any of those choices. With today’s technology in better quality high BC bullets, Lighter cartridges can retain velocity and perform to very long ranges. I am also a fan of 7mm-08. I am not fond of overbore cartridges as I do like to shoot my rifles… sub 2000rd barrel life is a no go for me.
7mm-08 is fine, just fine. Love it. Got an 18 foot spread on an unfortunate rabbit with mine back in 2009. The duck behind it drifted away on the breeze. Also bagged two Roos with one shot using 154gr SSTs. First roo had a largish exit hole, the second roo was split completely in half save 1 rib and a little skin. Mate said, "Strewth" and borrowed it for a while.
Own them all the prc is my new favorite best of both worlds ,faster twist rate than the 7 mag nearly the same ballistics as the 28 but the powder saving and factory ammo price ,,,i love the prc...49.00 abox for hornady 175 gr eldx vs. 100.0. A box for the 28 noslers
Most people shoot factory guns and factory ammo. So considering that PRC is the way to go. The Rem Mag doesn’t offer anything like the 175 gr at 3000 from Hornady. The Nosler shoots a 175 (when considering the same barrel length) 75 fps faster than the PRC and it has 32% more recoil than the PRC. Easy choice!
Great video ! I have a browning 28 and 7mm rm. how often do you clean your barrel for your 28? And do you give it a brush scrub or like a wipe out foam type cleaning ?
We'll I shoot a 7mag 1/8 twist with custom throat for long bullets but if I get a new barrel it will be 7prc I have a 300 prc and that is a real tight shooter
Weather right are wrong I drank the 7mm prc cool-aid because I had a 7 mag with a 26 inch barrel and I shoot suppressor so 26+6 and my rifle was over 14 pounds without bipod. I felt like I carry a boscucca hunting and it seemed like was always hitting every tree. I watched a video with someone shooting 7prc and he was loosing maybe a 150ft pre second with 20 inch barrel and I was hooked. I hated to hunt with that 7mag rifle. I was new to guns and hunting when I built it. I was told that I need at least a 26 inch barrel or I was wasting my time. Now my rifle with suppressor, scope, bipod weights 9.8 and I love it. Max length 26 with suppressor.
Why didn't choose 28 nosler. Barrel lifetime is less. Quality otc hunting bullets $6/bullet for 175gr and finding a low 8 twist ratio is difficult so must shoot 162gr. Closest budget rifle is ultralight savage at 8.44twist which is normally $1500, but can find at $1000. Difficult to find good brands of rifle in budget for 28nosler weatherby, ruger, tikka. Overall 28 nosler requires reloading to be able to shoot just for fun. Why 28 nosler is great the best ballistics out of all 3. Cheapest option, Savage UL is very lightweight with muzzle break at $1000 on sale. It is 2 inches shorter at 22inch, a couple pounds lighter than the 7mm prc options. Why not the 7mm rem mag. Its amazing and has been. 7mm prc is an updated version with better ballistics at tolerable recoil. Most importantly commercially 7mm prc has become widely available quickly. My region 7mm prc will be available all the time for ammo and rifles. Also ballistics of a 162gr 28nosler and 175gr 7mm prc are like 1in difference at 750yards, beyond common hunting range.
I,VE owned my 700 BDL in 7mm rem mag for 32 years and it has been the absolute shit on everything I have turned it on . NEVER have I had to shoot a animal twice. I use a 1972 RCBS loading manual when they used to publish maxx loads unlike the pussy loads they claim are maxx now for insurance reasons . I get 2975 from a 175 nosler partition ahead of 62.5 grs of IMR 4350 and 3200 fps from a 150 gr swift scirrocco ahead of 66.5 grs of 4350. Wih those velocities out of a 24 inch barrel.I am.not abandoning my beloved 7mm rem mag for 150 fps and 15 lbs more kick and 20 percent more powder. IF hunters would use ethics and not take shots over 500 yards the 7mm Rem mag, 30/ 06 , 300.win mag wiuld still be selling like hot cakes.
@vernonlarson7016 no it isn't the 1 in 8 twist in a 7 mag makes it much better but u got to pay for a custom rifle the 7mm prc still is better ballisticly and it shoots 100 to 150 fps faster and u can buy it in 1 and 8 twist in a production rifle
@@user-db3ek3lw4y I shoot custom rifles. I don't waste my time with factory rifles. If I do buy a factory rifle. I know my custom 7mag with the 8 twist barrel with 30 in barrel with rl 26 will out shoot a 7prc. I have a 6.5 prc. Not totally impressed with it. My custom 264 win mag is 10 time the rifle. When I can shoot a rag hole and 3340 with a 140 grain Berger I don't need the 6.5 prc. But I will say that it is accurate. What I don't like about the factory 6.5 prc that I can load it max load without pressure problems. If I had a custom rig in that caliber I could load it to the max without any issues
@vernonlarson7016 yes true with the setup u have and handloading with custom rifles true. I was speaking more of the ability to get custom type performance out of the box
As someone who has chased performance and bought in on hype and have owned, tested and hunted with many of the latest and greatest. The more I find that rebranding the same old stuff with a knew name has filled my closet. A couple of years ago a I dropped some change on a hunt that was out of country and arrived on scene with lost bags and no ammunition. 😢 I can also tell you that i could not find ammunition for my rifle and made for a horrible experience. I can also say that I do not take removable magazines or new calibers rifles into far away places as I no longer have time for the pain of disappointment. 7mm Rem Mag and 300 Win Mag are the gold standard for hunting and convenience. I have also moved back to the keep it simple stupid frame of mind. The more complicated you make life the more disappointed you will end up.
Best combo deer and elk caliber,cartridges and weights of bullets!
Not sure if you consider 175 grain bullets heavy, but my sako s20, 7 mag, with a 1-9.5 twist is producing .22 inch groups with berger bullets and h1000. I'd say it stabilizes the 175's just fine. Havent tried 180's yet, but 175's at 2950 fps is fast enough to kill anything I shoot at out to 1000 yards.
For me it's the 7mmprc! A 195gr berger out of a 28 nosler velocity is 2,949fps at 85gr of lrt! 7mm prc is 2871fps with 75gr! I can't justify a 78fps faster with 10 more grains of powder! That's terrible I know you can push each cartridge more but this is ramshot lrt load data! Enjoyed your vid
7mm prc is the best old heads just love down grading it for some reason
200 gr Nosler Accubond Weatherby 300 Weatherby mag factory loading @ 3000 fps mv
This isn’t necessarily accurate info…i have run that 85 gr lrt load thru my 28 nosler and it ran 3040’s fps. Im now at 3140 fps and 88 gr with no pressure signs and good groups. Thats what you are paying for with that extra capacity but you need a barrel to get there…26-28” min
This isn’t necessarily accurate info…i have run that 85 gr lrt load thru my 28 nosler and it ran 3040’s fps. Im now at 3140 fps and 88 gr with no pressure signs and good groups. Thats what you are paying for with that extra capacity but you need a barrel to get there…26-28” min
Nice logical discussion.
Thank you ! Let me know a video you would like to see
If I change out from my 28 Nosler I’m going to move up to the 300PRC . I’m also working on getting a 6.5-300 Weatherby
Excellent video that tell it like it is. Really appreciate your comments and insight.
Let me know if there’s a video you would like to see me do
I have a rugar m77 m2 in 7mm rem mag and I will stick with that.
I think you’re onto something with the stocks. My brother n law has a 30 noz in a Browning Hells Canyon Max. We shot it without the brake and I couldn’t say it was any worse than my 12 gauge over under field gun with bird shot. I was amazed.
Another awesome vid.
16:18 This right here I have heard said elswhere and it makes perfect sense. If you already have a 7 or .28 Nosler or the 280 AI or WBY 7 Mag or 7 Rem Mag (a number of people I have encountered have either the 7 Rem Mag or the .28 Nosler,) you are mostly likely already reloading and handloading and already have the gear and collected dies over the years. And you don't need a 7 PRC. You are already getting the performance you want that is better than the factory stuff.
The 7 PRC is a compromise that can fill a specific niche, as it does for me. I am the perfect audience for the 7 PRC. Not only do I not have other 7s, my other rifles are different set-ups in .308 W. Most any would be good on deer to elk if shooting at 300 yards and less because I go by impact velocity and prefer to play it safe at 2000 fps at impact. So, the 7 PRC is my first 7, first long action (standard) and first magnum round. I put it in a chassis and the magazine I have to use is the AICS (metal) 5 rd for .300 Win Mag. Granted the COAL of the 7 is less than the .300 Win Mag but not hugely so. In fact, Hornady says you could simply re-barrel an existing .300 Win Mag action, if you so desire.
If you want to build custom and do lots of handloading, get a 7 Rem Mag (or .28 Nosler in your case.) If you want a factory rifle that shoots factory ammo pretty well (I think mostly due to SAAMI spec) and you don't already have a 7, then get this one.
And the big thing you see on Hornady's page for the 7 PRC is that they also released the dies at the same time. Because you know guys who already have all the cool stuff, like .257 Roberts, etc, are going to experiment with this, as well.
I like the 7 PRC primarily as a hunter because it does shoot flatter than some other cartridges and handles the wind pretty well. And I could shoot long distance, as well. And the recoil I use is an ASR brake and Aerotech slip-on. Until Backfire came along with his Back Stop pad, no one was making really good pads for chassis to replace the hard plastic butts they have. So, with that on there, it feels like an unbraked .308 that pushes rather than jabs.
I own both 7 PRC and 28 Nosler .
I have no preference on one over the other .
The 28 is set up for extreme long range hunting and my PRC was built as a light weight moutain rifle .
Both shoot ELDX extremely well Sub .5 MOA .
I have always been a .284 fan boy and always will be .
My I ask what your speeds are an what ELDX bullet you you shooting out of each
7mm is undeniable in all research i've done, my next rifle will be chambered in 7mm
ELDX are shit for hunting. Break up.on tough muscle and hide. Use nosler partitions before you lose the trophy of a lifetime.
@@twolak1972. Partitions have Horrible BCs an I haven’t had great luck with accubonds.
I have killed more than a good number of elk with the ELDX all one shot stops. At close range jacket do separate from the core but haven’t lost a game animal yet
@@longrangex6083 YET. ITS COMING.NOSLERS ARE FAILSADE.
I love my 7rem ultra mag only problem is it's a sendro heavy a normal Hunter will probably never burn out a barrel in there lifetime
Three Cheers for the 7mm Mashburn Magnum!
Hell, I’d take a 280AI over any of those choices.
With today’s technology in better quality high BC bullets, Lighter cartridges can retain velocity and perform to very long ranges.
I am also a fan of 7mm-08.
I am not fond of overbore cartridges as I do like to shoot my rifles… sub 2000rd barrel life is a no go for me.
7mm-08 is fine, just fine. Love it.
Got an 18 foot spread on an unfortunate rabbit with mine back in 2009. The duck behind it drifted away on the breeze.
Also bagged two Roos with one shot using 154gr SSTs. First roo had a largish exit hole, the second roo was split completely in half save 1 rib and a little skin. Mate said, "Strewth" and borrowed it for a while.
Own them all the prc is my new favorite best of both worlds ,faster twist rate than the 7 mag nearly the same ballistics as the 28 but the powder saving and factory ammo price ,,,i love the prc...49.00 abox for hornady 175 gr eldx vs. 100.0. A box for the 28 noslers
What are you seeing for SDs in the factory Hornadys 7 PRC
Most people shoot factory guns and factory ammo. So considering that PRC is the way to go. The Rem Mag doesn’t offer anything like the 175 gr at 3000 from Hornady. The Nosler shoots a 175 (when considering the same barrel length) 75 fps faster than the PRC and it has 32% more recoil than the PRC. Easy choice!
Would like to see the 28 nosler vs 7mm prc think I would still prefer the 28 nosler
How about Nosler Accubond or Partition?
Apples,oranges and prunes that's what you're comparisons are! They'll all kill a elk at 400-500 yards! DON'T WORRY about it!😢
I have zero worries
The stuff I do videos on is the stuff I get asked everyday
Great video ! I have a browning 28 and 7mm rm. how often do you clean your barrel for your 28? And do you give it a brush scrub or like a wipe out foam type cleaning ?
780 rounds life at 40 rounds a year is 19.5 yrs life as a hunting rifle….
We'll I shoot a 7mag 1/8 twist with custom throat for long bullets but if I get a new barrel it will be 7prc I have a 300 prc and that is a real tight shooter
Weather right are wrong I drank the 7mm prc cool-aid because I had a 7 mag with a 26 inch barrel and I shoot suppressor so 26+6 and my rifle was over 14 pounds without bipod. I felt like I carry a boscucca hunting and it seemed like was always hitting every tree. I watched a video with someone shooting 7prc and he was loosing maybe a 150ft pre second with 20 inch barrel and I was hooked. I hated to hunt with that 7mag rifle. I was new to guns and hunting when I built it. I was told that I need at least a 26 inch barrel or I was wasting my time. Now my rifle with suppressor, scope, bipod weights 9.8 and I love it. Max length 26 with suppressor.
Great video. I learned a lot. Thanks!
Let me know if there’s a topic you would like to see me do a video on
I bet you get a million inquiries about this stuff!
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Why didn't choose 28 nosler. Barrel lifetime is less. Quality otc hunting bullets $6/bullet for 175gr and finding a low 8 twist ratio is difficult so must shoot 162gr. Closest budget rifle is ultralight savage at 8.44twist which is normally $1500, but can find at $1000. Difficult to find good brands of rifle in budget for 28nosler weatherby, ruger, tikka. Overall 28 nosler requires reloading to be able to shoot just for fun.
Why 28 nosler is great the best ballistics out of all 3. Cheapest option, Savage UL is very lightweight with muzzle break at $1000 on sale. It is 2 inches shorter at 22inch, a couple pounds lighter than the 7mm prc options.
Why not the 7mm rem mag. Its amazing and has been. 7mm prc is an updated version with better ballistics at tolerable recoil. Most importantly commercially 7mm prc has become widely available quickly. My region 7mm prc will be available all the time for ammo and rifles.
Also ballistics of a 162gr 28nosler and 175gr 7mm prc are like 1in difference at 750yards, beyond common hunting range.
I almost bought a 28 nosler glad i waited and also a 28 nosler is like 100fps faster lol
7mm RUM and 7mm STW
One item you didn’t talk about was the heavies! 28 Nosler cannot load monster heavies from that Berger, the 7 PRC can!
What brings you to that conclusion ?
Bs! I load 195 bergers in my saami chamber fine. 3.64” oal. 3137 fps.
I,VE owned my 700 BDL in 7mm rem mag for 32 years and it has been the absolute shit on everything I have turned it on . NEVER have I had to shoot a animal twice. I use a 1972 RCBS loading manual when they used to publish maxx loads unlike the pussy loads they claim are maxx now for insurance reasons . I get 2975 from a 175 nosler partition ahead of 62.5 grs of IMR 4350 and 3200 fps from a 150 gr swift scirrocco ahead of 66.5 grs of 4350. Wih those velocities out of a 24 inch barrel.I am.not abandoning my beloved 7mm rem mag for 150 fps and 15 lbs more kick and 20 percent more powder. IF hunters would use ethics and not take shots over 500 yards the 7mm Rem mag, 30/ 06 , 300.win mag wiuld still be selling like hot cakes.
I’m looking at getting a 28 nosler, what’s a good rifle to get it in.
Everything I shoot is custom made by. Hunt the Distance that’s the route I would go !
@bartowpd342. If you need help getting set up yell
Seekins Or Fierce edge.
7 STW.
Your voice ok there? You speech seems off and it aint a mic issue
Haha. Had a horrible sore throat lol.
The title of your video needs correction. It should read, "...., and reasons why". Our system of education is obviously in trouble.
The belt is the down fall and the twist rate 7mm prc is better than the mighty 7mm mag in every way wake up guys
That why I have a 7mm mag with a 8 twist. Way better than a 7prc
@vernonlarson7016 no it isn't the 1 in 8 twist in a 7 mag makes it much better but u got to pay for a custom rifle the 7mm prc still is better ballisticly and it shoots 100 to 150 fps faster and u can buy it in 1 and 8 twist in a production rifle
@@user-db3ek3lw4y I shoot custom rifles. I don't waste my time with factory rifles. If I do buy a factory rifle. I know my custom 7mag with the 8 twist barrel with 30 in barrel with rl 26 will out shoot a 7prc. I have a 6.5 prc. Not totally impressed with it. My custom 264 win mag is 10 time the rifle. When I can shoot a rag hole and 3340 with a 140 grain Berger I don't need the 6.5 prc. But I will say that it is accurate. What I don't like about the factory 6.5 prc that I can load it max load without pressure problems. If I had a custom rig in that caliber I could load it to the max without any issues
@vernonlarson7016 yes true with the setup u have and handloading with custom rifles true. I was speaking more of the ability to get custom type performance out of the box
@@user-db3ek3lw4y yep. The new rifles like the 7 prc are pretty accurate