2023 Toro e21SP Single Stage Snow Thrower Review
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- čas přidán 16. 02. 2023
- This is a review of the 21 in. (53 cm) 60V MAX* (7.5Ah + 2.5Ah) Electric Battery Power Clear® Self Propel Snow Blower Model: 39921
This snow thrower is part of the Toro Flex-Force Power System®
Model: 39921 Comes with one 7.5 AH and one 2.5 AH battery.
Model 39921T is the bare tool if you already have two batteries totaling 5 AH or more. - Jak na to + styl
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I know this review is on completely different models but I was wondering what your thoughts were on how the Toro 1030 AHAE compares to the Cub Cadet 2x 30 Max. Do you think that would be a direct comparison or do you think the Toro 1232 would be closer in performance with the engine sizes being closer? Unfortunately I have been hard pressed to find any measurable stats on the Cub Cadet to try to compare and almost all videos and articles I find usually compare the Toro and Ariens against each other.
The Toro 1030 and the Cub Cadet are a match. They both have about the same capacity.
The Toro can use a smaller motor because of Toto's patented ACS (anti-clog system) It allows the impeller to "off-load" too much snow and allows the rpms on the engine stay more constant.
The Cub-Cadet needs the larger engine because all the snow the front auger throws into the impeller has to go right out the chute. It does not have a way to "off-load" the snow.
If you put them side-by-side they will both throw about the same amount of snow. The Toro will throw it farther (50 feet) but the Cub Cadet will throw just as much (30-40 feet)
Because the Toro can keep the impeller rpm up it also handles heavy-wet snow better. Really wet snow that the Cub Cadet can only throw 10-20 feet - the Toro will still throw it 40-50 feet.
So, if you live in an area that gets "normal" snow like Denver, Minneapolis, Chicago or Philadelphia either snow blower is a good choice.
If you live in an area that gets heavy, wet snow like Lake Tahoe, Muskegon, Mi, Buffalo or Boston the Toro is a better choice.
I have a question for you Paul. You did a great review of the original E21. This new E21 is about $550 more. I know $100 of that is probably the extra 2 1/2 amp battery, but that still leaves $450 extra. I guess that's for the auger and self propelled assist feature, but is it worth the extra money. This one claims to throw snow 30 ft. while the original, less expensive one throws it 40 ft. I'm a little perplexed about the cost difference. Maybe you can give me your opinion as to whether this newest model is worth the extra cash. I'm about to turn 80 years old, so maybe the self propel would really help me. Thanks for any response.
The marketing depart that makes the sale pages very often gets the specs wrong. The new e21 is a lot more powerful and handles deeper, wetter snow than the original unit. It will handle your end-of-driveway snow plow drift a LOT better than the smaller one.
Now that Toro has their full line of electrics in place it's much easier to discuss which is best for you.
1. The single battery e21 is great if you want to replace a corded electric snow blower or are tired of shoveling. It can handle up to six inches of most types of snow. It is not the best choice if you get snow plow drifts. This e21 scrapes the pavement but won't pick up packed down snow.
2. The two battery e21 is a direct replacement to the 7 and 8 HP single stage Power Clear. It can easily handle 10-12 inches of snow. The rubber paddles touch the ground so it clears right down to the pavement. This snowblower will clean the pavement or your sidewalk so that you will need very little ice melt. Getting it completely clean is a big advantage for us older people to prevent slips and falls. In my opinion this snowblower is just as good as the 8 HP gas Power Clear which makes it one of the best single stage snowblowers on the market.
You came through for me again. I'm definitely buying the new 2 battery e21. My local Ace Hardware has them in stock. Thank you so very much for all the great advice. I was lost. Never owned a snowblower before. You cleared everything up for me. Now I'll stop bugging you. :)
Glad to see you back! Great video as always! Thank you for all the knowledge and know how that you share in each video! The grey cat in beginning looks just like one of ours, Kat!
Always a good day when Paul posts a video! Good to see you back!
Thanks for the video. I haven’t seen much from you this year. You make great videos!
Yes, I have not had ANY snow! I have three new snowblowers to show off but there has not been enough snow to even take them out of the garage.
@@PaulSikkema Same here Paul. This has been a strange Winter.
Thanks Paul! 👍😃
Once again, informative and good video. Thanks.
Good to see a video Paul. Like you, I've had basically no snow. The Kraken is very hungry 😂.
Thanks 👍it's been a tough year to show off snow blowers.
Toro is a premium brand and the best single stage should be fully featured - that includes heated handles and the quick shoot controller
Good video. I have the e21 and e26, and have used them for 3 and 2 winters in SE Wisconsin. My only complaint is with the e26. I have found that it does not do well on heavy, wet snow. Any time the temperature is above 30 degrees F I don't bother trying to use the e26. Constant clogging in the opening from the impeller to the chute. I spend all of my time trying to unclog it. I've tried the lubricating sprays and they basically do nothing. The e21 can handle the heavy wet snow with no problem, but my driveway is very steep, and it's a PITA to push it up the darn thing. I'm hoping the e21sp can replace both of them.
Oh man, Im lustfully looking at that 2 stager after the dumping we just got in MN overnight. I have the e-21(not self propelled model). Really put it to the test this morning think it was over a foot and the end of drive was easily 1 1/2 ft. Know its not meant for that, but its what I have. Got tired of gas one not starting every season. We keep getting snow like this, may end up with that 2 stage 3 battery one.
I have the 24in 2 stage 60v.... absolutely love it, but we've only had one significant snowfall back in early January....if you get it, you're going to love it! We got a couple inches of snow, topped with ice, pushed all to one side of the driveway and blasted through it all with the Toro! Absolutely love this thing!
Toro is the king of single stages. I have the Snow joe 100V which I got because I really wanted the rubber paddle drives (as you noted). With this, I'm pretty tempted to switch.
My Snow Joe is being used by my son-in-law and I know when he sees this one - he will want it:)
I like the fact that the Toro batteries fit all their battery lawn & garden tools. The Recycler mower, string trimmers, blowers and the new 30 inch TimeMaster mower is the reason I'll stick with them.
@@PaulSikkema I have the mower and two stage, too, as well as four batteries. So... Would be a painful transition. I'm somewhat curious to see what Ariens does.
Watch Ariens on Twitter or Linkedin Feb 21. They are coming out with something new.
A year ago they bought AS Motor which has a great battery platform....
@@PaulSikkema Looks like they use the Ego batteries and (presumably) motors/power electronics?
Chevon/EGO has been in this market for many years. I can't wait to see what Ariens has new because it wasn't announced at EQUIP EXPO in Oct.
Like you said, I really don't like that you can't control the light shut off. They are either on when the machine is on or off when it's not!
Hey Paul! Thanks for the great video. I was wondering if you knew why Toro doesn’t have a chute adjuster closer to the handles?
The 21 in. (53 cm) Power Clear® 821 QZE Gas Snow Blower is the only model with the Quick Chute control. Apparently most buyers don't want to spend the extra money on that convenient control.
@@PaulSikkemathe older battery one had it.
Hello, thanks for the great videos! I have finally decided to break down and buy a snowblower this season after 13 years in Wyoming. I had all but settled on the Toro e21 7.5 Ah kit which seems to have universally rave reviews (including yours) and is currently on sale at Ace for $649. Now this one comes along (albeit for nearly double the price at this time). I have a couple of questions for you if you don't mind:
- I get the impression from this video that you are pleased that the new one (e21SP) comes with the rubber auger, but I was under the impression that a steel auger gives better performance in wetter, heavier snow. In fact, I thought that this was one of the main selling points of the e21 over other battery single-stage machines. I will only be using it on concrete surfaces (driveway, sidewalks) and an exposed aggregate walkway. I'd be grateful if you could clarify this point a bit.
- Any thoughts on why Toro went with a 7.5 Ah + 2.5 Ah system for the new e21SP? I know that the machine requires > 7.5 Ah to operate properly, but it seems to me that a 5 Ah x 2 system would have been more useful in the long run, especially if you have other compatible Toro tools, with little or no difference in cost.
Thanks for any advice or insight you can offer, and many thanks for the outstanding and very educational videos that you post. New subscriber here!
The e21SP has a LOT more power than the e21. The rubber impeller is a lot larger and it throws snow a lot farther than the e21.
The steel paddles on the e21 are better than the plastic paddles of the other brands in it's price range.
The patented rubber paddles on the e21SP are belted (like your car tire) so they are stiff, yet they don't tear up the pavement you use it on.
The e21 front auger does NOT touch the ground so you have to push it through the snow. It also has a fixed scraper bar so it catches on cracks.
The e21SP front auger does touch the ground and it helps to propel the snow thrower through the snow. The scraper bar is hinged so it doesn't catch on the cracks as often. The e21SP will clean driven on snow - the e21 will not.
The e21 works best in 6 inches of snow or less - the e21SP can handle up to 12 inches and will bust through the snow plow pile at the end of your driveway much faster.
I have a feeling Toro went with the 7.5 Ah + 2.5 Ah to keep the initial cost down. But it does make sense becasue you now have a 7.5 Ah for your new Personal Pace mower and a lighter weight 2.5 Ah for your new Toro 60 volt string trimmer and other stick tools.
@@PaulSikkema Once again, thanks so much for the great detailed advice! Unless someone busts out with an incredible clearance deal on the e21, I may just ride out this season (half over anyway) and pick up the e21SP next year. I did order a Snow Joe 24V x 2 18" cordless bundle for $185 off Amazon for light work just to get me through the next 2-3 months, but now I'm thinking I'll just return it and save the $ toward a *real* machine. Thanks again!
I have a toro one stage power clear. My only issues is during heavy wet snow😊 one or both wheels lock up and don’t turn because of snow or ice built up on the wheels.
The current models have a 7 inch wheel, Part #: 138-8783, with a rubber tread. Compared to other brands with a 4-6 inch plastic wheel they get a lot less snow buildup.
If your snowblower is older and doesn't have the 7 inch wheels you may want to order a set of the new ones.
Great review.. I'm going to buy my first snowblower this year. Trying to decide between this one and the EGO auger propelled one. They're about the same price. I'm 79 years old and need at least some kind of self propelled blower. Not doing a driveway at all, just some short sidewalks and in front of my garage doors where my snow plow guy can't get close to. The Ego gets all the hype but the Toro reviews of this blower seem to make it the better choice. Any thoughts on which one you would choose.
By the way, I was surprised you didn't find the lack of a chute control on the handle to be a problem.
Thanks for any response.
Exactly, The biggest issue with the EGO is service. If you have issues you have to send it off to some remote location.
The Toro is serviced by your local Toro dealer. If you buy it someplace other than the dealer be sure to fill out the warranty registration.
This chute control is easy and only takes a minute to get used to it. That said, Toro has found people are more interested in performance and durability than the "creature features." Toro currently has only one single stage gas model with the QuikChute
Thanks for the quick reply Paul. I'm going with the Toro. I've done so much research online that my heads about to explode. Found out Toro's been selling personal snowblowers since 1952. Ego started making them in 2017. I think the extra 65 years of experience from Toro means something. @@PaulSikkema
Thank you for the review! I was just looking at the e21 yesterday and trying to decide between it and the e21SP. So in your opinion you think the SP is worth the extra $400? Why did Toro stop using remote chute?
YES! I bet if you spend 30 minutes with each one on your driveway you'll pick the e21SP everytime. It has a LOT more power and with the flex scraper bar it's just so easy to use.
Remember $159 of that extra cost is a 2.5AH battery.
@@PaulSikkema good point, I hadn't thought about the extra battery cost. I assume by your comment that the e21 does not have a flex scraper? I didn't know that either!
Great review Paul! Just got mine, I do have a question this is my 1st Toro SB and I feel the chute rattles a bit and adds to the noise do you know if this is the same with the gas equivalent and is by design to be a bit loose/shaky? Thanks again for a great video
Yes, chutes on the single-stage PowerClears do have a little play in them to keep them from freezing up. The electric is so much quieter than gas so you can hear that rattle.
Thanks
Is the sound of the paddles hitting the pavement loud? It sounds very loud in the video. Any plans to get the 60V SnowMaster and a review video of that blower?
No, it's quieter in person than the video. My camera microphone picks up mid-range sounds better than the other frequencies.
Hi Paul. I have a simplicity single stage snowblower that I bought in 2021 from my local dealer here in Wisconsin. I love the machine but I just found out that my dealer will be closing his doors for good at the end of March leaving us with no independent small engine shop/dealer in town now, and Briggs and Stratton has stopped making single stage snowblowers as well. Should us Briggs and Stratton/ Simplicity owners be worried about parts for these machines going forward?
I don't know. Briggs (and Honda) appear to be getting out of the residential market. Briggs commercial (Ferris) is going strong and their battery division is going gang-busters.
My opinion is you will be able to get aftermarket parts like belts, auger parts and engine parts for years. Other parts like cables, chute parts, etc. - not so much. Places like mysnowblowerforum.com can be invaluable for locating discontinued parts.
Yep.
I bought the Toro e21 in the fall of 2022, with the ALL-METAL paddle, and little did I know that it would present a world of difference compared to my old gas-powered Toro single-stage snowthrower, as the new electric model is MUCH harder to use because it demands that you actually "push" it thru the snow; whereas the old Toro single-stage had the RUBBER paddles that clear all the way down to the pavement and actually "pull" you thru the snow.
The difference is night and day.
I live in Northern Lower Michigan and just cleared 140" of snow this winter, using a combination of a Toro e26 two-stage on six different occasions while clearing about 60" of the snow; and the remainder of the snow, maybe 80", was cleared using the new e21 with the ALL-METAL paddle, which did a fine job, it's just NOT self-propelled like the new e21SP would be with the RUBBER paddle.
The difference between the ALL-METAL paddle and the RUBBER paddle is so dramatic, that I will actually be purchasing a new e21SP model next fall, because an annual snowfall of approximately total 150" is nothing to fool around with; and as easy as the e26 two-stage is to use, it's still easier to pull a single-stage out on a regular basis - especially when it PULLS you thru the snow and clears right down to the pavement. That's another thing I miss, that new e21SP will take snow that's been packed down by car tracks, and it will really take them to task, clearing right down to the pavement.
Trust me, I'm not a professional snowthrower, but I play one on my driveway two or three times per week...
Thanks Paul, for all your fine work. You've been a great help!
Keep On Truckin'...
Would you consider the Revolution version (39922) with thicker paddles and stronger handles? Worth the extra cost?
Paddles - Only if you are planning on using it to make money and want to do dozens of driveways each time it snows.
Handle - if you are going to throw it in and out of a pickup a lot or you are going to let a crew use it to clear lots of driveways. Crews can be pretty rough on equipment.
Otherwise this version will last a homeowner years. Changing the paddles is easy and not very expensive. The scraper bar will be your highest wear point and that's only $25 or so.
Paul, which would you prefer this battery toro or your old Toro 721 or maybe your Ariens Professional 21 commercial unit ??
I got approved for financing so I'm trying to decide ... I did find the 721 used also ..
I would go with electric ONLY if you want electric instead of gas or you are being forced to switch to electric by local ordinances.
With the supplied battery you can use the electric about 25 minutes and then have to wait 3-4 hours for the battery to charge.
With the gas you can use it all day - just keep puttin g fuel in it.
The Toro 721/821 is pretty much the "standard" single-stage snowthrower on the market. It's very reliable and last a long, long time. I prefer the 821 if you can afford it just for the extra power.
The biggest advantage to the Ariens is that you can easily use the handles to slide the snowblower into your pickup or SUV. If you have a lot of driveways to do that is a nice feature.
Paul, I would really like to see a traction comparison between the Ariens Rapidtrak and an equivalent Ariens wheeled unit. I am liking to buy a new blower and would like to know if the Rapidtrak is worth the extra complexity. Thank you in advance.
1. 80% of the time the wheeled Ariens Deluxe, Platinum, and Pro will have plenty of traction. Why? because all the weight is balanced on the wheels. On many other brands, more weight is on the front housing and that causes them to lose traction easier.
2. The only time the Ariens wheeled will really run out of traction is when you are trying to clear 12-20 inches of packed down old snow or a snow plow drift that has sat for a while. In that case, if you take 1/2 passes you will still be able to clear it. If you have a steep driveway - steep enough that you have trouble walking up it - then you should consider the RapidTrak.
3. The other advantages of the RapidTrak is it can push through heavy, hard packed snow a lot better - especially in dig-in mode. If you have a front sidewalk that gets a 2 foot deep snow plow pile from the city snow plow it will push through and clear that type of snow a lot better than the wheeled unit.
4. It really works well if you have loose gravel - you won't lose traction and dig ruts like a wheeled unit.
5. The wheeled unit is balanced but the rapidtrak is balanced even better. If your 100 lb. spouse needs to use the snowblower they will be really happy with how easy it is to turn.
6. The one thing a RapidTrak can do, that no other snowblower can do is go up stairs. You can raise the auger housing high enough and the snowblower has enough traction to climb up onto your front porch or go from your walk-out basement up the steps to the upper level.
Feel free to ask as many questions as needed to understand this.
@@PaulSikkema Thanks Paul. I currently have an older Ariens 24” wheeled blower and I do have issues with traction and climbing in the harder packed areas. Sounds like the Rapidtrak would be worth trying. Also, I am very familiar with friction discs, and I like their ease and cost of repair, but would like to know your thoughts on the long term reliability of the hydro units.
The Ariens Pro uses a single commercial hydro. The AutoTurn does the steering. All the other brands use two smaller hydros with internal "dogs" to do the steering to each wheel.
I've been following the Ariens hydro closely since 2014 and I have not heard of ANYONE having a problem with one. I know there are 10's of thousands sold.
Hello Paul, I have been looking around and been debating on getting either the Toro 1030 or the Cub Cadet 2X Max 30. I have not really seen any comparis0ons and the details on the Cub Cadets capacity aren't listed on any sites I have found for either snow capacity or HP. I know the Toro has a smaller engine but without knowing much else leaves me wondering which would be better. Living near Mille Lacs Lake in MN we can get a bunch of lake effect and depending on thee time of year it gets pretty sloppy. Any info you could share on the comparison of these 2 would be greatly appreciated. I have also thought about the Toro 1232 which is closer in Spec to the Cub Cadet. I am less concerned about the money as any of these would be a long term purchase.
The Toro PowerMax HD 1030 is a good choice.
The key point to understand is the Toro can move more snow with a smaller engine is because of their patented ACS (Anti-Clog System) It's the hump on the top of the impeller housing.
The ACS allows the snowblower to "offload" snow from the impeller which allows the impeller to run at higher rpms. The higher rpms allow you to throw snow farther and it can handle heavy/wet snow a lot better.
The Cub Cadet does not have any way to offload the snow - what goes into the impeller is forced out - that's why it needs a larger engine to do the same work.
The Cub Cadet 2X 30 MAX is Cub Cadet's largest capacity snowblower but it does not handle the heavy/wet snow nearly as well as the Toro.
@@PaulSikkema I really appreciate the reply. Thanks again for the information..
So I just picked this up with a second battery. Hoping it'll do mine and my elderly neighbors that I plan on clearing for them. Will the second battery give me longer runtime or just more power/throwing distance?
Longer runtime
If ordered through Toro now, it comes with one 10ah battery and one charger. Do you think it's a good idea to order another battery and charger? And if so, what size battery would be good to get?
10 AH for double the run time and mowing next summer. 7.5 AH is almost as good. 5 AH and 2.5 AH if you plan to add the blower and trimmer next year.
Paul, did you see they make this in a commercial unit too..
But no battery ugh ..
Yes, I talk about it in this video czcams.com/video/QYwYvoEryE4/video.html
The only difference is a heavier duty front paddle.
I assume you can put two 7.5aH or 10ah batteries in it since you said it could?
Yes, any combination of 5 AH or more.
is it worth spending on this model or is the EGO or other single stage toro's just as good. Not sure how this does in heavy wet snow either.
This snowblower is BY FAR the best single stage electric on the market. In my opinion it's as good as the Toro 821 Power Curve and that is arguably the best single stage gas on the market.
2023 Ariens 306cc or Briggs and Stratton 2023 306cc?? 700 USD difference between them. Many says, they are all the same, go for the cheapest one. I would like to have your advice, please
1. I'm going to say you will be able to get parts for that Ariens 20 years from now - if it needs any repairs of all.
2. When the B&S breaks down anytime in the furture will you be able to get parts? Probably not because they just announced they are getting out of the residential lawn and snow business.
3. Don't waste your money - unless you have lots of it - in 2023 buy an Ariens, Toro or Cub Cadet if you want to keep it running over the years.
@PaulSikkema Thank you for your reply. Much appreciated!
I also appreciate your videos and reviews. Keep up the good job 👏
used it 2 times now only the light turns on blower won't start-batteries are fully charged
Let's start with the simple things first. Please perform each of these steps.:
1. Remove the battery. Then reinstall it and push down into the slot until it clicks.
2. Push the battery level on the battery and make sure you have at least one bar.
3. Pull the safety/on switch out of the machine. Push on the button and verify it moves in and out. (It may be frozen)
4. Insert the electric-start button into the electric starter
5. Squeeze the bail and hold it to the handle
Check this - Note: When you squeeze the bail, the lights turn on, and the battery-charge indicator lights on the battery illuminate.
6. Press the electric-start button until the motor starts. Sometimes this will take 2-3 seconds so keep holding it.
One last thing before you bring it back to the dealer. Bring it in the house and let it warm up for 2 hours. Try it.
If it still doesn't start - When you bring it back to the dealer bring your battery and charger. He may want to test them also.
Installing a heated driveway will cost anywhere from $10-$25 per square foot to install. The average cost is $8,500. While this is a large sum of money a heated sidewalk or driveway will last 15 - 20 years if it is taken care of well.
I think if you were to run a 721/821 gas single stage Toro side by side with this one there'd be 0 difference in power and performance. I really like the Toro battery design on there snowblowers; they take the proven design of the gas models they've had forever and slap an electric motor on it. Toro seems to have really nailed this design. Now if only mother nature would cooperate and deliver some real snow to test the machine out on...
I agree. Honestly, I think the e21SP has just made the SnowMaster obsolete - and most of the other brand's single stage gas & electric snow throwers :)
An electric SnowMaster would be the perfect snow blower. I have a gas Power Clear and in some instances I would appreciate a the auto drive the Personal Pace provides.
After thinking about your comment for a while an electric SnowMaster might work. Like you I love the General transmissions automatic steering and variable speed. (Although I always had problems using the personal pace myself because everytime the SnowMaster's scraper bar hit a crack the snow blower wanted to buck up on me. I love the personal pace on a mower but could never get used to it on the SnowMaster)
I also really like the self-propel on this e21SP though and the flexible scraper so it rides over cracks.
That said - what I really want is the SnowMaster's tranny with the automatic steering on a 30 inch TimeMaster mower :)
@@PaulSikkema I don't think so. Single stage snow blowers with rubber paddles are not really self-propelled, they only give some support.
On certain snow conditions or on driveways with a slope, you often have to push the snowblower real hard.
For greater areas, older people, women and teenagers the snow master is the better solution.
I like the channel of @OldLenn. What he does with the SnowMaster I woundn't want to do with a regular single stage snow blower.
www.youtube.com/@OldLenn/videos
@@PaulSikkema I assume the 60v TimeMaster’s weight reduction over its gas counterpart should result in a much better handling mower. I’m just comparing it to how a Super Recycle handles so much easier than the standard red mower.
What's the new battery technology?
Everyone including Toro is keeping quiet on the new battery tech. My guess is they are replacing the lithium with another metal that it can handle more current for charging and discharging.
@@PaulSikkema Pouch cells maybe? Stihl started using them in their newest battery (AP500S)
@@PaulSikkema Thanks!
Toro snowmaster 824 or this I have 824qxe
It depends - if you want to switch to electric this one is a good choice. If your happy with the 824QXE I wouldn't switch.
Toro should just released the paddle version 1st , sneaky Toro executives
Did you see they just introduced the electric SnowMaster! We asked for it and it's here!
WHAT, YOU KIDDING. WHAT 2 MAYBE 3 INCHES OF SNOW. THE POWER CLEAR 60 V WOULD HAVE DONE ALL THAT.
Sometimes you have to make do with what you get. This is the most snow I've gotten all season and I'll be pulling out lawn mowers in two weeks...
Take it up with Mother Nature! 😂
waz ur kitty name?
The female domestic is Kiwi. The black male I haven't decided. It will either be Max or Sonny.
@@PaulSikkema Looks like a black fighting bull. Toro would be a fine name.😉
I like it!
lol definitely not supposed to be blowing snow back in the already cleared road. SMH
I know - just to repeat. I live on a snow route to a hospital. I get a snow plow by every hour to throw it back on my sidewalk :)